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HEADLINE: Davis queries WI team selections for England Test series

 
CaribbeanCricket.com 2017-07-24 06:41:29 

EX-TRINIDAD and Tobago and West Indies opening batsman Bryan Davis has queried the selection of the 15-member Windies team for their forthcoming three-Test series, away to England.

Among the players chosen by the selection panel, headed by Courtney Browne, were Barbadian-born Kyle Hope (who is an opening batsman for the TT Red Force) and Raymon Reifer (a left-handed all-rounder for the Guyana Jaguars).

Both Hope and Reifer are the only members of the 15-man team who are yet to play Test cricket, while Reifer has never featured at the international level.

In a recent interview, Davis commented, “These fellahs are very fortunate because they’re Bajans. There are nine Barbadians on the team. The last time you had nine Barbadians on a touring team like that was to England in 1966.

I remember it well.

“Now that seems to be starting again (under the new selection panel). I’m seeing more and more Barbadians, of very average ability, being forced into the team, and given second looks all the time. I’m seeing a lot of personal insularity in this thing.


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Drapsey 2017-07-24 07:06:28 

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

Now some Bajans will show up asking where was Bryan when his countryman Carew as head-selecta used to fill up the team with his Trini countrymen.

 
Cleg 2017-07-24 07:52:13 

And if you don’t have the right technique, and you don’t move your feet and get in line with the ball, you’re in trouble


Obivously dont know that the stats...9...5..0..0..6 belongs to mr good technique Daren Ganga in Eng.

..and as skipper to boot.

A lot of top players reckon this "move your feet thing" is BS...or at least overated.

 
Emir 2017-07-24 08:13:31 

In reply to Cleg

Obivously dont know that the stats...9...5..0..0..6 belongs to mr good technique Daren Ganga in Eng.


That is the past, focus on the present team; Is Mr. Davis criticism correct?

 
Headley 2017-07-24 09:04:58 

Courtney Browne dropped the ball. He should have picked 11 Bajans. Maybe after the England tour if WI don't get beaten too badly.

 
che 2017-07-24 09:23:52 

WTF!!! Shytehound tit Cry-ann Davis dissin world champs shock shock

Gary Sobers, captain
Conrad Hunte, vice-captain
David Allan
Rawle Brancker
Basil Butcher
Joey Carew
Rudolph Cohen
Lance Gibbs
Charlie Griffith
Wes Hall
Jackie Hendriks
David Holford
Rohan Kanhai
Peter Lashley
Easton McMorris
Seymour Nurse
Joe Solomon

Onli 1 tit can test da Baje 9 daz lara lol lol lol

 
sgtdjones 2017-07-24 09:46:20 

In reply to che

Mount gay Che

How many players have played a full season in England?

How many players can play the moving ball?

The above experience cannot be taught in a couple of weeks
in camp by Law.

This is what Davis is referring to.


lol lol lol

 
sgtdjones 2017-07-24 09:49:48 

In reply to Cleg

Let us post facts.

Ganga made the team based on his middle order batting for T&T.

He was thrown into the opening bat position.

Notice the position he played for T&T.

He was giving the captaincy owing to injuries and had little
support from team mates.

See the difference leading T&T in India.

 
sgtdjones 2017-07-24 09:52:38 

In reply to Headley

Maybe after the England tour if WI don't get beaten too badly.


WE are going to get a cutarse of epic proportions.

Any movement on that pitch of the ball and we will score under 150

 
che 2017-07-24 09:58:24 

Whe tci...

ah reckon colonial honkie Major Noot groom sgtd jones and sudden...

u gats de las wurd

lol lol lol

 
analyst-kid 2017-07-24 10:00:37 

So who are his alternatives? Trinis with sub 30 batting averages like Lewis,Bravo,Simmons and Pollard?

Kyle Hope topped the Trinidad batting averages in the four day tournament, Raymon Reifer was by far the leading allrounder in the Guyana batting and bowling averages and this man bemoaning the team full of Bajans. (May I add the leading allrounder in the Trinidad four day team was another Bajan,Primus)

I have no beef with Beaton but Cummins for example has played in English conditions and he is a swing bowler with pace...so to me it is touch and go. Beaton for the experienced Roach is also touch and go but Roach and Cummins lead all the fastbowlers in the four day tournament bowling averages.

 
jen 2017-07-24 10:19:00 

In reply to analyst-kid

Bravo, Simmons can't be in the equation as at the time of picking the squad, amnesty wasn't reach as yet. So to be fair to Browne and co, that was off the table.

My biggest beef with the selectors is the apparent easy "excuse" to shove in some, and leave out some. You have a few people who can't even make BIM list A team but been ah play for West Indies. That is utter ******* of the highest calibre.

Kraigg, Shai, Chase, Holder, Dowrich, Cummins all have merit to the test team, so it's nothing against bajan. And as far as i'm concern, Kyle Mayers is a better pick for England than Raymon Reifer. The opener cupboard very bleak as well so can't blame them for trying Kyle Hope. Powell got a good bit of ODI's and didn't capitalise. If you check regionals, not much openers putting up them hands to chose from.

 
Cleg 2017-07-24 10:39:40 

In reply to Emir

That is the past, focus on the present team; Is Mr. Davis criticism correct?


Read the rest of the post.

 
Cleg 2017-07-24 10:41:15 

In reply to sgtdjones

and had little
support from team mates.


BS!!

 
tc1 2017-07-24 10:51:42 

In reply to sgtdjones

Davis could not play any balls, moving or non-moving. he was Sobers friend.

 
Cleg 2017-07-24 10:53:23 

In reply to sgtdjones

He was thrown into the opening bat position.


Irrelevant!
His so-call "good technique" was suppose to help him in England.

All it did was made him a walking LBW.

 
doublecentury 2017-07-24 11:01:55 

The post was about the current selections.

If you have decided to bring back Bravo there is no cricketing reason he is behind some of that squad.

 
doublecentury 2017-07-24 11:01:59 

But we will get beat badly anyway..

 
defeyeant 2017-07-24 11:11:06 

aside from the Vincy fella Ambris who I feel deserve a chance in the one day setup I'm wondering who else was hard done by this squad?

 
openning 2017-07-24 11:29:39 

Bryan only name one player, all his other talk is pure nonsense.
Pick your team Bryan, then we can have a discussion, the same goes for all people on this mb.
Pick allyuh teams, lets see if we agree to any player, being selected.

 
Kay 2017-07-24 12:00:58 

I think his point is that they are all mediocre whether they come from Barbados, Jamaica, Trinidad, Guyana or Win/Lee Islands, so why not an equal distribution of the shytehounds instead of 9 from Bim? smile

 
che 2017-07-24 12:01:51 

In reply to tc1

Oh shyte!!!

lol lol lol

 
openning 2017-07-24 12:45:29 

In reply to jen

Kyle Mayers is a better pick for England than Raymon Reifer. The opener cupboard very bleak as well so can't blame them for trying Kyle Hope. Powell got a good bit of ODI's and didn't capitalise. If you check regionals, not much openers putting up them hands to chose from.


Base on what? I doubt it performance over the last 2 years, during the regional 4-day tournament.

 
dayne 2017-07-24 12:54:57 

The WI team should be praying for hot late summer weather in England, that would give them a climatic chance, the ball would move around less. However, IMO the Selectors had very little options, the only suspect selection IMO is Reifer, I would have picked a specialist in place of him, either Nurse, Cornwall or invent an excuse for the inclusion of Darren Bravo, the most experience batsman.

 
jen 2017-07-24 13:48:51 

In reply to openning

When you aint have world beaters, I believe horses for courses is the way to go. Kyle Mayers is a swing bowler, consistent line and length. Bowling more suited to english style conditions.

A fella like Johnson Charles will be good for Australia/India ODIs (not so for slower, lower tracks) more so than others. Australia does only pick Shaun Marsh for the sub continent now, we have wusserer players and feel a man must be good for all series.

 
defeyeant 2017-07-24 14:54:31 

In reply to jen

wait you arguing to replace a bajan wid .....a bajan big grin big grin big grin

 
ellisstreet 2017-07-24 16:56:52 

West Indies in England 2012

Darren Bravo
3 Matches 5 Inns 0 NO 81 Runs 29 HS 16.20 AV


Marlon Samuel
3 Matches 5 Inns 1 NO 386 Runs 117 HS 96.50 AV


Apology "wisely" tendered after the team was selected.

 
CricketFan 2017-07-24 17:16:53 

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

Some agree to the comment. Best on performance Y carriah was highest run getter, Ambris is there too. I understand Kyle Hope, but why Remon Refier?

 
Slipfeeler 2017-07-24 18:52:35 

In reply to ellisstreet

Sending this team to play England without Bravo or Samuels, will be like a lamb to the slaughter, which deeply aggravates me for my desire is for WI to beat England every time we play against them for their partly responsibility in the demise of WI cricket.

However, I totally agreed with my Trini friend, the team could have been more evenly selected. For they are all mediocre players.

 
sgtdjones 2017-07-24 19:30:04 

In reply to tc1

Lord Nelson tc1


Sobers friend based on horse racing was Joey Carew
not the Davis brothers.

lol lol lol

 
sgtdjones 2017-07-24 19:31:42 

In reply to Slipfeeler

However, I totally agreed with my Trini friend, the team could have been more evenly selected. For they are all mediocre players.




Dem limestone bwoys from lil England coming fer you .

lol lol lol

 
tc1 2017-07-24 19:44:57 

In reply to sgtdjones


I did not know Joey was a gambler

 
hawk 2017-07-24 21:16:42 

an Article steeped in jealousy and insularity.

 
ProWI 2017-07-24 23:00:29 

In reply to che

Che, what Bryan Davis should have realized and admit, all those Bajans on that 1966 tour deserved their pick. They were some of the top performer in the regional tournament.


Here were the top performers for the previous season.

I wonder which one of those Bajans he would have dropped.

 
seaegg99 2017-07-25 10:04:28 

In reply to ProWI

Bunch of loud (FAKE NEWS) talkers! Funny thing, as a youth back then this was never a conversation piece. Once the WI was winning and playing well, where the players was from was never an issue. Cricket brought us all together back then. I can never remember going to a cricket match not looking for great players to do well against Barbados. I went for the show of great cricket not this country against country pull down. I didn't care if Maurice Foster bat two days, or Freddo hooked all day or Roberts put the fear of god in the Bajans batsmen. I went for the everlasting memories the great players left me with.

 
nick2020 2017-07-25 11:11:06 

In reply to tc1

Steel Pan music man computer wud hafta be brek.
I ain't see he land on de scene yet.

 
openning 2017-07-25 11:33:53 

In reply to seaegg99

A very good post bro, I felt the same way
One of the best regional centuries I saw, was by a Jamaican wicketkeeper batsman, he took his blows from the bajan attack, but went on to score a ton, and was applauded by the entire Kensington crowd.

 
seaegg99 2017-07-25 12:06:44 

In reply to openning

When folks like Davis get into this kind of talk it makes you wonder because he came from a time when cricket talk was about cricket. Not the kind of garbage that goes on now.

Freddo walking out with BIG AfRO and fellows trying their best to give him a shave only to be hooked all over Kensington or any ground in the Caribbean! Pity the arguments now from those that never got to see all of the greatness from all over the West Indies.

 
Wally-1 2017-07-25 15:07:20 

In reply to seaegg99
yep

 
pelon 2017-07-25 15:23:18 

Nothing good can come off of a heavily one sided selector/his national team ratio.

If we lose: cuss and blame bajans
If we lose badly: cuss and blame bajans, point rightfully to the myopic preview of the selector/chairman.
If we win (chuckling): you've alienated a region already torn to the seems with insularity. How do you celebrate the win in a regional context, if it feels like a "Bajanized" team?

I rather balance talent over the region as we rebuild, than to lay a heavy hand and picking from any singular country. It does not promote regional team/fan unity.

WI History has it recorded that it does not work in your favour. I present a different perspective: the team is no stronger with 9 Bajans.

Anyhow. My half ass opinion is open to scrutiny, yet completely irrelevant smile smile

 
Cleg 2017-07-25 15:26:26 

In reply to seaegg99

I agree with all you said there ...even though insularity still exist back then.....ask Sobers.

The difference is ...that was back in the day when most of the players if not all merit their pick.

With these mediocres...the least they can do is use the "quota".

 
sudden 2017-07-25 16:30:11 

In reply to pelon

that makes no sense and in itself could lead to discrimination. in other words you seem to be selecting players on a quota system and not on ability.

at one time Ja had 6 men on the side and there wasnt much complaints. at one time TT and Antigua another time.

it is only when it is Bim that it causes issues.

i say Fuck um who vex vex.

 
seaegg99 2017-07-25 16:45:36 

In reply to sudden

Really I just want to see the youngmen develop and get us back to some semblance of a competitive team. These guys all have the physical part but are lacking in the mental areas of the game. Really don't care where there are from just let me enjoy cricket again!

 
VoopsandOut 2017-07-25 21:46:18 

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

Bryan,

These guys do not have the benefit of playing for Glamorgan for years like you did and the talent pool may not be as deep as in your time. However, the last time 9 Bajans were picked was 1966 tour which has always been labelled as the Golden Summer of English cricket. We didnt do too badly then and with some application and attention to the basics we will not do too badly next month. I am going to England to support our guys.

 
Baje 2017-07-25 23:02:10 

In reply to Drapsey
My problem is when folks make comments like this without stating who the alternatives were and why the alternatives should be selected.

 
granite 2017-07-26 11:42:26 

In reply to sgtdjones
Right,they have to be corrected everytime,at the time Ganga was the only batsman who could stay at the crease for considerable times,he was just used to hang around and get the shine off the ball.The fact that he scored centuries in both innings of a match against a top Oz attack,showed he could bat in the middle where he was supposed to play.As Emir said this is not about what an individual did some years ago,it's about selection criteria today.

 
Cleg 2017-07-26 12:36:34 

In reply to granite

The fact that he scored centuries in both innings of a match against a top Oz attack,


...and what was his average for that series?

I will give you a clue....Ganga aka 96002 never average 28 at any instance over his entire 48 tests career!!

both innings of a match


Funny match that..1 innings in Georgetown and the other in Port of Spain.

 
CITYBOY 2017-07-26 12:44:43 

Hola....
Its very distressing to read previous /retired test players comments like these.How does it make those selected to represent West Indies feel?..If these players cannot get the respect and support of past players then something is terribly wrong.
We may disagree with some of the players selected,but to suggest its " BIASNESS" because a majority of players are from one country is just absurd.
If Mr.Davis wants more of his country people selected then I would recommend that he gets involve in raising the standard of his countrymen.....and let them(as they say)..tear up the PCL.
Time to stop this nonsense of calling for your own..
Adios
CB

 
NYCGURU 2017-07-26 13:35:15 

In reply to CITYBOY

I have observed that those who push the various conspiracy theories, have short memories and have little regard for facts. I also think that because we are loosing, the frustration level is high and as a result, it becomes easy to blame the Chairman of selectors who apparently has sole responsibility for team composition.

 
buds 2017-07-26 18:40:34 

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

I agree.. Too many mediocre Bajans on the team and Courtney Browne is probably the most insular selector bar Carew.

 
JahJah 2017-07-27 09:15:01 

In reply to sgtdjones


Let us post facts.

Ganga made the team based on his middle order batting for T&T.

He was thrown into the opening bat position.


You may be confusing Ganga with Gayle and Hinds.

 
Wally-1 2017-07-27 10:28:03 

In reply to buds

Many of these players dont warrant a spot

 
dayne 2017-07-27 11:05:53 

In reply to Wally-1

Name the alternatives, only Reifer and Hetmyer IMO can be swapped for either Ambris, Nurse, Cornwall or Warrican.

 
NYCGURU 2017-07-27 15:30:56 

In reply to Wally-1

I am kinda curious to hear what your 15 man touring party would look like.