In reply to WIfan
Your theory of what a science is and ought to be can at most generously be described as 'Popper-esque' (Karl Popper's theory of falisifiability) but that doesn't necessarily mean that other non-empirical fields of knowledge should be dismissed so arrogantly. Your objections could be against many inept politicians that grace the entire world stage today and there I agree with you; but there are many theorists and academicians and even practicing politicians who are far from being 'cretins'. Many of the modern political theorists -- from Lukacs, Gramsci, Adorno, Sartre to Foucault, Deluze, Guattari (who are all essentially philosophers with explicit or implied political committments in their work ) -- are some of the sharpest minds of the last hundred years. And you know your ancient and pre-modern history,can you talk about Confucius, Socrates, Bacon or Rousseau without talking about their politics?

Finally, some advice about your choice of words. Instead of concentrating on who says what and who deserves to be told what (which are pretty subjective and I happen to strongly disagree with your choice of (not-so-humorous) sobriquets), do try to realize that such unnecessary venom is well, unnecessary. Argumentativeness and creating ferment just for the sake of it is truly a childish game and I thought you had evolved beyond the need to do that.

In reply to subaltern

if someone specializes in a field that is about lying,twisting and finding loopholes, i'd definitely have reservations against them until proven otherwise, given the nature of their qualification.



I am not saying that they are useless or shouldnt be there- just that they should know their place. They are NOT science- science is fact-based, provable/falsifiable and replecated observed phenomena. The psuedo-science fields like polsci, social science,management science, psychology etc. are NOT science because their factual basis is highly suspect and/or highly incomplete.




I find it fairly easy to draw the line between philsophy and politics- one is theoretical, sometimes idealistic and addressed towards societerial functionality- the other is trying to draw conclusion based on political dealings and happenings. Two very seperate fields and the latter is far less sound in its basis.



Not really. It is an exercise in power of suggestability and its effects on people. Remember your own words- it is a folly to try and associate our online personna with real life personna.
(yet another field where psychology sh!ts all over the place by assuming online persona stems from some basis in real persona and cannot be purely 'playing an arbitary part that is self-chosen').

In reply to subaltern

i admire you for trying to treat with wifan in a learned manner. i have given up.

i am sure u are as aware as i am that the more we learn the more we are aware of the many things that we dont know and so our claims are far less strident that wifans. fan appears to be an educated person who knows everything.

he is quite lucky...i have had no such luck.

Well said, subaltern, and completely true. I have noticed from the Bob vs Fela Kuti thread that you have been trying to somehow give wifan and osmosic transfusion of rationality and civility. It is a valiant and needed effort you are making but, alas it is doomed to failure.

Like the scorpion who stung the frog and in so doing doomed himself to the an eternity on the bottom of the river, wifan is pathologically incapable of either civility or equinamity when it comes to his fellow posters on this mb. He feels he is superior to us and or culture and he is therefore complelled to put down all of our heros, icons, institutions and ways of life by any means necessary. There was a period when I thought he was maturing and developing a more balanced view of life and the world we live in but, lately, and sadly, he has regressed staright back to his Headley tapes days.

I salute your efforts but I am convinced you are wasting your time. wifan is a skunt of no mean order. He is the only poster on here on whom I would not hesitate to rain down blows of untold magnitude should I ever have the displeasure of meeting him. And rest assured, that is exactly what I intend to do should our paths ever cross.

In reply to JohnBull

Hahahahahaha....bring it then, chump ! dont chat, just do it ! Anytime, yuh want !


PS: Subbie, do you see my point about online personna and power of suggestability ? Pupeteering a guy to JB's level of consternation is a pretty interesting exercise- the master of puppets is not always the power-hungry broker that is potrayed in the classical western mentality- he/she is also an observer and learner.
Getting JB to feel this intense hatred is not exactly an accident- it was simply a pre-meditated and concerted effort from the experimentor (me) to influence his guinea pig ( JB) and evaluate my power of suggestability (and thus, contribute to my knowledge/ability of social manipulation) is as educational and enlightening as getting a labrat to go through the maze you designed for the cheese. It is not just observing the response of the labrat that is educational- it is also how the master of puppets re-designs (or rather, continuously evolve) the maze based on the labrat feedback that is also educational.

And you'd notice that my 'venom' is directed to a fairly select group of labrats here. There are people here- you,surya,np,DonD,Kami,Rovdawg,etc. that i am sure you noticed get a markedly different response from me- simply because the names above arnt the ones i turned into my labrats.
ofcourse, you might wonder why exactly i am divulging this- simply because, as the experiment draws nearer to closing, the labrats do deserve an opportunity to see their role in this aspect. Ofcourse, labrats like JB,JahJah, Horsie(that rat died/went away/escaped),Chrissy,jaydee,Jammy, etc. arnt exactly pre-determined and arbitary picks from my part- in essence (based on their responses), they've volunteered themselves for this role-albeit not conciously but to their responses to the general 'broadcast' of the experimenter.

What is perhaps the most interesting aspect of this exercise is that the labrats at one point or another have all realized that they are labrats and don't like it- but they are compelled to still remain labrats dancing to my tune because it's the process they are hooked on, thanks to the power of suggestability and wordplay from my part. The biggest contribution of the internet is not just interconnectivity of thoughts and access to a wider set of information, it also has a social side that can be easily manipulated/controlled/puppeteered with skill for social observations. And its not about the real personna of these labrats outside the cyberworld that is my interest/focus- its the kind of response i can generate from them and how i make them feel that is far more important.

PS: If you've ever watched some Babylon-5, you'd get exactly what i am talking about. The power of suggestion and manipulation through pretense is a rather easy thing to do i find.

In reply to WIfan

so let me get this right-all of what you have been saying recently in the various threads is really a part of some auto suggestion experiment?

In reply to southward

recently ? LOL.
Go back a few years.....you are a long enough veteran here to remember the days of the old board,where i used to be much more circket-oriented than backroom oriented. Unfortunately, the Rum shop is 1/100000th its quality in cricket-matters and is an open exercise in prejudice, crankings & regionalism. Not the best suited prevailing conditions to get the labrats to do what i want them to do. There was a marked 'change' in my focus some years ago when i shifted to the backroom.
(Essentially due to my discovery of the power of suggestability in the headley tape related issue- to see how as retarded and obvious a falsification as that one would generate so much consternation rather than a simple, 2-post dismissal and moving on).
But when Subbie dropped the pearl ' do not confuse online personna with real personna', i knew that my 'lab-period' is drawing to a close.

All i can say is, in reality, only a select few really have an inkling of MY viewpoints in issues.
What fascinated me (and still fascinates me) the most is how race-concious afro-americans/afro-caribbeans are and how easy it is to expose their own racism due to the victim mentality prevalent in the community- which ofcourse, is part justfied, part imagined- varying from people to people.
A Neitzche-ian like me finds these exercise rather enlightening- to underline the unter-mensch mentality prevalent on the labrats.Ofcourse, the ubermensch here were never a part of my experiment, since by definition,an ubermensch is immune to the power of suggestability.

In reply to WIfan

thats an astonishing revelation in as far as i understand it. truly amazing.

im afraid i dnt understand it all becos i really dont know german...so the last para is lost on me. but the first part is astonishing. pls explain the rest...this part:

All i can say is, in reality, only a select few really have an inkling of MY viewpoints in issues.
What fascinated me (and still fascinates me) the most is how race-concious afro-americans/afro-caribbeans are and how easy it is to expose their own racism due to the victim mentality prevalent in the community- which ofcourse, is part justfied, part imagined- varying from people to people.
A Neitzche-ian like me finds these exercise rather enlightening- to underline the unter-mensch mentality prevalent on the labrats.Ofcourse, the ubermensch here were never a part of my experiment, since by definition,an ubermensch is immune to the power of suggestability.

In reply to southward

Wow --who wudda thunk dat dis thread wudda reach ah 100. TriniD going tuh hit yuh up wid another single tuh reach de landmark.

Commin soon.

In reply to wifan

Here's ah thought. You and yuh boy SubAltern should rent ah room, and see who cud talk who intuh ah coma first.


PHEW! Some people just try too hard.

In reply to southward

Ubermensch and untermensch are two terms Neitzche used to describe the two prevailing mentality in human spectrum (broadly speaking). Uber means superior, unter means inferior. Ofcourse, this was twisted by nazi propaganda to reflect white/black/race etc. but in reality, neitzche simply used ubermensch to designate the 'superior man'- and ultimately, the superior man is only a man who gets to do what he wants/likes, while the untermensch don't. This is not just about power/abuse/contact etc, its got a lotto do with the ubermenschen mentality, which is about KNOWING what to want and what not to want.
Combined with my buddhist perspective, ubermenschen is essentially a person who knows the limitations of 'I' & 'we' finely and is automatically attuned to desiring or non-desiring based on the achievable probability of the desire for the given person.

The awareness of 'I' and 'We' and its limitations is the main reason why ubermenschen are not victims of suggestability. I cannot exactly explain Neitzche in one post- it would be a huge disservice to the greatest western/modernistic philosopher of the last 500 years.
To better understand the concept, you need to read neitzche's works.
Essentially, in a nutshell, ubermenschen arnt tied to the group mentality for personal identity while untermenschen define their core personality through group-based identity- be it religion,race, caste, creed, politics,money, whatever.
And there are ubermenschen and untermenschen in every society.

In reply to WIfan
Interesting!
By the way, I don't think Nietzsche ever used the word 'untermensch' in that sense. It literally means 'sub-human' and was used by Nazis as a label against all the perceived 'non-Aryans'.
Nietzsche's Übermensch is a much misunderstood concept -- it is not about 'superior beings' within humanity but it is the existential-spiritual process of overcoming the self and the ego and the consciousness.

In reply to Trinidave

Actually no, my 'trying' is far lesser than your 'trying' to undo my 'trying',since the one dancing to the tune is you, since i am the instigatory impulse in most places where i engage you (and yes, i forgot your name amongst the labrats- so sorry). The correct conclusion is 'some people just can and some people just cannot-yet'.

In reply to subaltern

Ofcourse. Ubermenschen ultimately boils down to doing what you want and wanting what you do and bringing both to fruitition.
As i said, it is a tall order to explain a concept as sophisticated as uber and untermensch in one post, given that a brilliant mind like Neitzche devoted hundreds of pages to it. It is akin to try and explain world history in 10 minutes- so obviously, nitpicking will lead to a debate in its own right because the topic cannot be covered adequately in the medium provided.

In reply to subaltern

A valiant attempt Sub to get WIFan t orealize his errant ways. I guess we cannot save him from himself.
I too had the misdirection that he had come around . .but somehow he is falling back.
WIfan -- holding those untenable positions will screw up your thought process ... be less inflexible man ... and every workd Subaltern has said rings true for you!!

In reply to WIfan

ouiiii....kay then.

In reply to np

Err..my perspective is all about ultimate flexibility in perspective- one has to, inorder to play the master of puppets and evoke responses desired in several random people. Lets use 'race' as an example here: If you don't see the diametric opposites in presentation to ToySoldier/WMD and the carefully worded (to avoid a ban- i am operating in essentially hostile territorry) baits thrown out to TriniD, JahJah,Jaydee etc, then you are essentially missing the forest for the trees. Ofcourse, the issue isnt where *I* stand on the race issue- you cannot make that call since i played both the 'black-champion and black-basher' varying on who the intended target is.

All i can say is, read neizche and then read nagarjuna- their perspectives are not paraphrasable here very well- it'll make a lot of things clear (in relevance to the WIfan character, if you really wanna find out).

On ah serious note, dat Subbie fella, although TriniD doh agree wid some of de tings dat he says, and although TriniD doh understand half de tings he says, he is at least logical, and comes off as stable, as opposed tuh some bipolarites.

In reply to np

The only thing that rings true in his post (and is applicable to almost everyone here) is : do not confuse online personna with real personna.
So you are right in a way- what Subbie says may hold true for WIfan. Whether it holds true for the person behind WIfan ID - well, that is unknowable with the level of interaction i permit the character to have here ( only a select few here know of my personal details- and no, despite Jahjah's claims,he knows squat).
:wink:

In reply to Trinidave

Why all that venom, I wonder?

Most of what I have been posting on this thread are the strongest disagreement with WIFan but of course somewhere deep in your mind you have labelled us together because of some imagined affinities and now you think you have the right to speak about me that way,eh?

If you don't like what I post, please don't read, ignore the post and don't reply.

In another post you called me ignorant and arrogant and after I pointed out that you were misreading my comments you didn't even have the decency of replying back.

See, it's not too hard to be a gentleman.

In reply to WIfan

I think I and Sub - understand Nietzsche better than you do.

All that lab rat stuff is horse manure - don't fool yourself about your experimentation here ...
you err whe nyou take some of these MB charactewrizations as seriously as you do. Some are real, some are unreal (ask Spuds)...
I suspect you are unreal too!!! And just posing!!

In reply to subaltern

Err..hello...TriniD is one of the untermenschen here- along with JahJah,Jammy, Chrissy, Jaydee, Horsie etc etc.
As i said, untermenschen are predominantly lacking core identity and their core identity is derived from an arbitary group identity. So obviously an untermensch will rely on his group-derived core identity for his/her dealings. TriniD fits the picture well- so it is logical that he will use a group-mentality factor (in this case, Indian) to form an opinion of You,me and everyone else.

You are the smartest man here and the only one wiser than you i can think of is DonD- so please do not expect an ubermensch-esque response from an untermensch.
:D

In reply to np

Okay. You think so. Good. But i also hope you understand the difference between knowing and thinking.



I dont take any Mb character seriously unless they have a presence in my life outside the Mb. The point isnt about taking a character seriously- but to control the emotions evoked in the labrats through my inputs. It has to do with the underlying mentality behind the character. Ofcourse, since the experimentor is ultimately part of the experiment too, my requirement for flexibility required a shifty personna- which is already recognized by many here.

In reply to np
I am going to quit this thread. Everytime I hear Nietzsche and Übermensch together I tend to stay silent. Nietzsche's often self-contradictory, aphoristic and luminously inside-out writings defy such easy characterization.
Now Trinidave can breathe a sigh of relief. He now only have to deal with one ... :)

In reply to subaltern

Have you read TriniD's subsequent post? TriniD said "on ah serious note". Logically, TriniD just lil idle and having fun at your expense. In said subsequent note, TriniD also mentioned dat you are logical. Did you read?

PHEW!

BTW --TriniD never said dat you are "ignorant" and "arrogant". TriniD typically chooses his words very carefully, in joke, and in jest. If TriniD remembers correctly, TriniD said dat your post reeked of arrogant ignorance. Meaning, regarding dat specific post,your comments were such. TriniD holds his ground on dat one. Even though you tempered your statement wid your subsequent post, TriniD still feels dat you can't mek ah blanket statement dat marginalizes de cumulative effect of racism, even when de target of said racism holds a priveleged status, as de Williamses do in tennis. In many respects dat meks dem even more "targetable".

But dat's annoda discussion.

Peace.

WIFan's recent explicit pronouncements are disturbing and are in bad taste, even if there seems to be a method to the madness..(WIFan, while the logic behind the verbose might be understandable, the choice of words is not exactly great).
But I have a question to all the gentlemen advisors here. How many of you condemn SpudsMckenzie for his diatribe? Don't you really think Spuds goes to ridiculous extents in some of these matters?
Let's pay attention to Jaydee's posts in recent times..In trying to debate with one or two Indians, he goes to some extremes to paint an entire nation of 1 billion with all kinds of trash!
I can understand WIFan is trying to overturn some of those arguments. While I do not condone he stamping a whole race because of these 1 or 2 creatures, I urge all you seasoned veterans of this MB to condemn the Spuds' and WIFans unequivocally.

In reply to Surya

By what measure is this 'choice of words' and their greatness being measured ?
I find my choice of words, for most part, was adequate, since it got me precisely the response i desired for most part (except when you few ubermenschen here came in and tried to wreck the experience :P)



Hell no- i am happy to keep sponsoring such arguments- for it is evident that upon my coaxing, jaydee (and jahjah and triniD,etc) have easily exposed their own shortcommings rather well, particularly relating to the race issue.

In reply to WIfan

I ent inferior to a dumbass like you. A smart man picks his battles carefully. You tend to let your big mouth write cheques your rass cannot cash. That is why you get spanked everytime you post your tripe.

Look at you talking about race cards. Talk about fishing! How did race cards come into this?? :roll: :roll: :roll:

If I am allowed to be "racist" here, I say Forumla-1 race is superior to every other race :P

In reply to JahJah

Sorry but by proving yourself to be the easiest labrat to control, you've proven your untermenschen nature for all who can see, to see. But i can understand your desire to believe so. Fact is, not only are you a labrat, you are the easiest labrat to influence,instigate and coerce into the desired response ( which is consternation/anger/etc etc).

And you confirmed your labrat status the day i called you so many years ago and you gave an insight into your the-then devastated mindset for being dumped by your wife. If you were smart enough,you'd have connected the dots and seen why it is ONLY you i instigate with the paternity issue of your child- but you didnt and got worked up almost everytime i questioned your child's paternity here. You never were that bright-learn to live with it. You wont see me heatedly arguing against my superiors in intellect here - such as Subaltern/DonD/Surya etc etc.
Simply because as i said before- the ubermenschen doesnt desire what he/she cannot accomplish.
You the untermensch is blissfully unawares, hence you try to get embroiled with your superiors such as me or supds and get thoroughly spanked in the process.



Look- you are the labrat here, i identified most of the labrats here. I ent discussing what is and what isnt with the labrat under my control for emotional response- so step off the plate and let the ubermenschen here talk.

In reply to WIfan

Joy, I know enough to be of the opinion that you are rank asshead. You are nothing but a common liar. You lie your way through arguments in much the same way you probably lie your way through life!

I doh play race cards. When one deals with YOU and YOU alone he/she knows that they are up against a person who has nothing but disdain for blacks in general. No race card needed when your track record speaks for itself. Maybe if you took your time to control your emotions you wouldn't have exposed yourself way back when.

You made your bed so lie in it. You cannot rewrite history (yours) not matter how smart you THINK you are!

In reply to WIfan

again you spew nothing but silliness further exposing just how 'smart' you really are. It is quite 'the laugh' watching you unravel with each post.

Don't let me stop you. Carry on. Lift up your skirt. Keep telling yourself you are superior and others are inferior. I guess you prescribe to the notion that the more times you say it the more likely it is to come true.

You questioned the paternity of my child and I kept asking you why you were asking me that. I never got worked up. But hey, lying is your birthright! I loved the part about me being dumped by my wife. Wonder where on earth you concocted THAT gem.

You are one sad bastard for you to lie over and over and over and over again.

Serious question. Does lying make you feel like a man?

A man who continuously lies in order to try and win an argument is considered a smart man? A bright man? WOW

Oh. You have NEVER spanked me. It has always been the other way around. And spuds has never either. The only thing Spuds can do when I expose him is tell me that he slept with my mother. WOW, genius!


Tell you what Mr smarty pants, let us see you win an argument without lying and with you presenting cold hard facts without the put downs. Let us see you try!

In reply to Surya

So I maketh the man . . . ah well brother
I also created the Headley tapes?
And the post against the William Sisters
And the thousand of other posts
He said he was experimenting, didn't he?
he didn't say he was responding to me . .

The only thing i did was to beat him up because i know both natural and social sciences
I de man . .
Still . . .
Eh tu Brute, then rise Caesar

Yuh defend yuh brother even though yuh know he wrong - cool with me
i was never fooled

I do not talk to WIfan- he has 13 days of his ban for insulting Chrissy
i defend my brothers in the Caribbean-that's the way i am

. . . now back to WIfan and the others
. . . leave me out of it

In reply to JahJah

And this is why Delano,you are and always will be an untermensch- you cannot keep in mind that online personna has little or nothing to do with real personna for many people.



As i said, it is interesting and fun to expose your racism by throwing a few loaded barbs your way.
What you are claiming to be knowledge is nothing more than an assumption from your part.




Fellow observers- this is what i call the 'defence mechanism of the untermenschen at work'.
Ie,nothing but unadulterated drivel and failure to acknowledge the clearly delinated perspectives i have for different groups of people here. The verbosity of the diatribe is nothing more than a line of defence for the untermensch here.



Oh but we are NOT made equal in intellect- some ARE superior to others and that same some are inferior to others. What i have done is simply know my place in the chain - i identified the ones who are superior to me and i identified the ones who are inferior to me- you unfortunately belong to the latter category and nomatter what you want to believe, that unfortunately won't change.

You are the second form the bottom in the untermenschen pile here- only Jaydee is worse off than you. Horsie ranks ahead of you,Jammy ahead of horsie and TriniD is ahead of Jammy,with Chrissy marginally edging out TriniD for being less of an untermensch.
Just...deal with it!

In reply to jaydee

Every post of yours is something about India..You denigrate the IITs..What's up with that? Do you even know about IITs?
I am not getting into the business of picking some googled news about Trinidad,Jamaica or any other country just to put it across to you..

In reply to Surya
You are trying to deflect attention
I was wrong, i am evil, you are good and godlike, i am bad, the world is coming to an end
NOW BACK TO WIFAN

In reply to JahJah

See how easy it is to get the response of anger/consternation from you, untermensch ?



Unfortunately, you are not well qualified enough for me to bring out my 'engineerng mind' that is required for such an exercise. If you want a demonstration that bad, beg & plead for a while to Surya or DonD or Subaltern to engage me in an argument where cold hard facts have relevance and then stand aside and learn- because untermenschen is correctable and you can correct your untermenschen mind with some effort- though you have the longest road of all barring Jaydee.



Liste,untermensch, the objective as i disclosed, was always the emotional response generated. Not whether an arbitary argument purely based on opinions are won or not-because they cannot be. And both you and I know it is a categoric lie that you never got worked up over my questioning your paternity of your child. But ofcourse, getting you to think about winning or losing an argument served its purpose of underlining your untermenschen tendencies.

In reply to jaydee

We were wrong..we will be wrong..we are NOT evil..
Everyone is godlike..Let's move on

In reply to Surya
As I said back to WIfan

In reply to WIfan

Yup. You guys were probably separated at birth.

In reply to Trinidave

Who knows...but i wouldnt blame my parents (in hindsight) for getting rid of the untermenschen from the core family.

In reply to WIfan

Subbie is Injun? Wow.

In reply to WIfan

wow, you have the temerity to call someone a racist????????? HAHHAHAHA. Man, you re funnier that Richard Pryor!!!!!!!!!!



WOW, Another gem from a man (using the term loosely) who couldn't articulate a proper response to Christine so he shouted from the rooftops "You bitch". I guess you are smart enough to do that behind your PC.

I can't believe you are the same guy who attacks a man you DONT EVEN KNOW telling him that his child isnt his. WOW WOW WOW. YOU SAME ONE? And now you are putting yourself on a pedestal? You Joy?? The punk who insulted my wife and my parents?? You have the nerve to make yourself out to be something you clearly are not??

Damn, this just gets better.



Joy, I don't need you to tell me where I rank on your shit list. That is the most juvenile piece of shit. I still want to know what makes you so smart when you arent smart enough. What is next? My daddy's gun is bigger than yours? I know that is where it is heading. I mean, the precedent (set by you no less) is there!

I am achieving life what I need to and I don't depend on my parents money to get through life like you know who. I live in 3 different countries. I come and go as I please. My life is going very well. The most important of all is I never had to lie to impress anyone. In fact, I don't sit on a message board trying to IMPRESS anyone. My self esteem isn't low so I do not have to do what you do!

In reply to WIfan

err.... You or JahJah?

In reply to WIfan

TriniD is obviously not as bright as you, so TriniD don't quite get what you are saying here. Could you draft up some sort of table, like ah periodic chart or someting, so dat TriniD cud see where he stands or lies.

Gaydee and WIFan are two skunts of the same coin.

Hey Subbie- still holding back on the ubermenschen-untermenschen comparison.
Hey NP, still think that MoP is cr@p ? As i said- it is an interesting exercise to get the untermensch here produce the kind of emotional response that i want them to.
Look at the second-from-last untermensch here yet again being compelled to be part of the lab-rat experiment.
Does my words ( some of them have momentary realization of their lab-rat status but still fall for it since they are bound to the inputs) seem any clearer ?

I shall leave it at this.
For now.

PS: Southie-sorry if i blew your mind. But i do hope you see the experiment for what it is and learn something from the newfound perspective.


PPS: JahJah,as i said, the master of puppets doesnt discuss his strategy & observations with the puppet. though i realize the consternation of the puppet for being exposed as one.
And you can see why i rated triniD ahead of you- he didnt fall for it as bad as you did. And don't worry- i don't really hate you.Its hard to hate the most predictable,longstanding, controllable and obidient labrat in my experiment.As i said, know thy place- you are one of the bottom-most here in intellect and i hope you can realize your shortcommings, for a person cannot be an ubermensch without realizing his/her limitations. I have already seen mine- you perhaps are having a greater difficulty in seeing your even lower station in the chain.

In reply to WIfan

I only seek to let you know where you stand and what you are about. Anyone can see through a liar. I am still waiting for you to back up your claims with facts!



When is that brilliant mind of yours going to engineer the Headley tape? Oh, your brilliant mind forgot to tell you not to lie on certain issues for it would be too easy to get caught? Man, those gems (Dujon, Headley, black scholars) were quite a joy to experience.



So, what buttons did Twissy push for you to scream at her. WOW, "YOu bitch". Nice touch. Was that the response SHE intended? How about all your lies?

I never got worked up so YOU are the liar. Every post you made you mentioned the paternity of my child and I kept asking (and quite calmly) what you meant by that. I still would love to know what relevance the paternity of my child has to do with you. Care to tell me??

One theory I have is when you are backed into a corner you will clutch at straws. You could stand the thought of being shown up so you lashed out in a fit of rage in an attempt to not only insult me, but my wife and my parents. Dont think I forgot that quip about my parents being clueless to where they come from etc etc. I still can't understand how you know so much about people you have never met nor know the names of.

You want to insult my wife and and my parents for no reason and then make yourself out to be this mature intellectual man? I am sure a genuinely smart man would have gone a different route.

PS: Felt silly having me tell you that my daughter was not 7 years old but in fact just turned 5? How foolish did you feel when your insults didnt work?

The only response on here that anyone can take note of is WIFan referring to Chrissy as "You Bitch!"

Anymore where those came from?

God help the woman who makes the mistake of getting involved in a mess like that!

In reply to WIfan

Please discuss it with me because I still dont know what the paternity of my child has to do with the price of ackee in jamaica.



I don't care if you rated lump of shit ahead of me. I wouldnt care what you think. Any man who insults my wife and my parents isn't someone I care enough about to know his likes and dislikes.



Dont worry about my intellect. I have enough to get by on. I am my own man with my own loving family. I run my own business and I travel alot and live in 3 different countries. I am just fine. So please kindly get to the part where you tell me all about my child since you know so much about her aside from her age. Not 7 but 5!

He could come with all inda guten tag and guten mocken argument. All he's doing again is LYING to justify his previous lies.

He's displaying the classic traits of a pathological liar ...where he just gets tangled in a web of lies ..and more lies pile up ..and he can't even stop himself.

In reply to Cheeks

the funny thing is the people him 'bigging up' probably sitting there laughing at him or pitying him.

I telling you, that guy (using theterm loosely) probably doh got a friend in de world or a pot to piss in.

In reply to JahJah

Exactly my assessment.

That is why I asked sometime ago ..that CC'ers in Canada try to link up with him and take him out to get some fresh air or something.

Show he how to talk to girls an ting.

Dis yute cryin out fuh some help wid he social skills.

But first....the lying's gotta stop.

In reply to Cheeks

Imusic is the only one in Vancouver. Maybe he can help him.

In reply to JahJah

Why yall does bother with WIFan? I see him boasting to someone that he's an engineer. I bet he went to MIT or one of those Indian IITs and graduated at the top of his class and wrote some groundbreaking thesis.

If he's in Cda, I don't know about Cdn engineering programs but I believe Waterloo and Queens are the best. I have a family member who did Engineering at Waterloo.

In reply to JahJah


Imusic ...link wid de yute ..give he a hand nah???

In reply to JahJah

Why yall does bother with WIFan? I see him boasting to someone that he's an engineer. I bet he went to MIT or one of those Indian IITs and graduated at the top of his class and wrote some groundbreaking thesis.

If he's in Cda, I don't know about Cdn engineering programs but I believe Waterloo and Queens are the best and I'm sure he went to one of those programs or rejected them because of his anti-establishment views. I have a family member who did Engineering at Waterloo.

In reply to thefan

I love how he always calling for proof but never could produce none ah he own.

Anyway, de man is disturbed. Spuds is the only other poster on here who so obsessed with my wife and my mother. Me staying away from dem man deh coz dem looking to send somebody guh ah prison.

PS: Big bad engineer WIFan still cant engineer a Headley tape.

WIFan doh have a ting fe hurt him. Me going my bed now. After 1am. Him can gwaan chat. Every idiot entitled to say dem likkle piece. Fi him stage this. Him getting the time of day so him happy.

In reply to thefan

That is true, Waterloo is very good, I can attest to that. WIfan would not have gotten in those university programs.

I believe he did go to school...somewhere, but learned virtually nothing, while becoming more self-obsessed and full of it…....

In reply to jaydee

It's funny how most of us use the same technique to condemn that technique..It's ridiculous really..

In reply to XFactor

LOL...funny thing is..i am Queens Electrical Engineering alumnus, '04 batch. Graduate cum laude too...I had applied to waterloo and gotten in too- but decieded to skip Waterloo due to their insistance of doing mandatory co-op . The only technical university where my grades wernt good enough to get in was IITs. Considering that everyone who sits the JEE for IIT qualification are 85% and above averaging students (in sciences) and less than 1% gets picked, its the toughest university to crack into.

In reply to WIfan

Ohhhh. Electrical. Maybe dat's why yuh didn't understand de simple concept of angular velocity.

In reply to Trinidave

LOL...that was many many moons ago. Its interesting to see how the labrats remember the lil token gaffes given as encouragement from years gone by even when it was rather inocuous to begin with.

In reply to Surya
Still looking for more stupid talk
You will never done? . . .
But I really couldn't care less . . .
Sleep well my brother
You were always righteous and good
We are bad and simple
Now back to WIfan

In reply to jaydee

Why are those mood swings from one extreme to the other? Those fluctuations are NOT good..

In reply to Surya
Don't worry about me, I can diagnose myself
Have a good night, great one
Can you sense moods from words only?
Great, you have evolved ESP too
Best wishes on seeing your future

In reply to jaydee


Good night..Hope you had a good day fishing
BTW, are you looking forward to the India-England series?

Is everybody a little cranky cuz there's no good cricket being played at the moment?

In reply to Rovdawg


The boredom multiplied with everyone's favorite punchbag redBaron still MIA

In reply to Surya

interesting.

I was reading this thread and I think I threw up a little in my mouth

Wow! wat a thread full of nonsense

Why you guys can't chat bout how to become the next richest man in the world, huh! - money is not all, oh well

In reply to WIfan

Uhmm...umm JahJah stoddard where are you? :) :)

In reply to WIfan

Lyrics roots.....u good



I aint laugh so much in years....

hehehehe.....man I gine save this post....best I have ever read on cc.com..........damn

In reply to OVAL291

lol, who tell wifan the labrats don't like it? This is some really funny stuff

In reply to kami

nah....dem deny it.....Like I told ur dottie brother Cheeks....life is full of curve balls and it is funny when the hunter turns out tuh be da hunted....

Me neva knew WIfan had it in him......he has sussed out da mb characters well.....

He has turned da script upside down.....and to think I almost miss that gem of a post

In reply to OVAL291
Well, must be some bad rats, who know the poverty of the homeland, the propensity for cheats, and the false belief in the superiority of an outdated culture-dem rats does truly bite hard

In reply to jaydee

simplify dat for me please labrat # 10.......

In reply to Flickcan

what you want with me?

In reply to OVAL291

If I am a labrat and I know more than you what are you?
A labrat tick?
When i as young, in parasitology class, my lecturer went out and caught these large house rats
She said - "locate all the internal and external parasites" . . . Me and my then love were the only ones to kill and dissect . . . .After food tech to boot . . . on one rat there were nematodes beneath the integument of the skin, two species of tapeworms in the intestines, and lots of oval 291 ticks. Didn't check the rectum for fanny tick though but i guess he was there too . . . reflecting on that, what type of tick are you????????

One can see why this dumb,parasitic Bajan is overawed

In reply to Surya
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I thought you were a gentleman, don't let this MB change you :D :D :D
Keep the peace and search for unity :lol: :P

In reply to jaydee

Actually you stole my "parasite paradigm" with respect to the poster under consideration..I called him out on a different thread much before you..

In reply to Surya
:D :D :D :D
You ain't easy, you used to be so nice, how much Tendy make, not a 100?
Why go to formula 1, when you have batter no. 1? :D

In reply to jaydee

[url=http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/engvind/engine/current/match/275786.html]Just a warmup[/url]..the real deal will come soon...
Don't be jealous..Tendy is your brother too 8)

In reply to Surya
401????? :shock:

In reply to jaydee

80th international ton coming soon..Anyone close? 8)

In reply to Surya
Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaay. . . Change back that Avatar then :-o :-o :-o

In reply to JahJah

"untermenschen tendencies."

I just called to say hello and to let yuh know WIFan called yuh out saying yuh have "untermenschen tendencies".

I was wondering if yuh go let him get away with that.

Fighting word that. Hitler and Stoddard beliefs eh

In reply to Flickcan

My two cents.
I think you should be more concerned about who WI Fan really is , not just what he calls people.

Firstly, he disrespected Chrissy in the most distasteful way, a woman old enough to be his mother or even grandmother. You should be more alarmed at that. You can`t be encouraging WI Fan in his nastiness. Obviuosly he hates and tries to disrespect people like Jahjah and Chrissy who exposes him for who he is. I will say more on that.

WI Fan also dissed Africans and I don`t think black people here should find that funny.


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And man later discover civilization in Asia and then give hafrica civilization coz well, we nuh forget our ancestors, even when them does be backwards.
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This , along with the dissing of Chrissy are among the more distasteful and rude things to be posted on this forum and you should not make WI Fan be so rude and good about himself.

You said .

Did you analyse WI Fan for a moment to see the similarities between himself and Hitler? Didn`t he express his own "untermenshentic" belief about Africans saying dem backward?, Didn`t Hitler beleive in some Areyan race or something like that? superior race thingy? Some why be naive, WI Fan displayed his own untermenshentic/Hitlerist thoughts, then has the nerve to call someone that, and you bought into it? Isn`t that a farce? WI Fan maybe a lonely, illmannered , attention seeking fella, maybe looking into the mirror seeing traces of untermenshenticsism in his system and try pull a fast one by calling someone that.

Don`t be that naive boss.
WI fan possibly insulting you without you even recognising that, providing you are of African descent or you are someone who respects women, especially older ones.
Maybe he thinks he is smart when he tricks people like you.