Jaya better than Gayle?.......

In reply to jala

lol

if you get any logical answers let me know.

In reply to jala

I could use the argument that stats don`t prove anything but I know Chrissy and the LPA wouldn`t take too kindly to me saying that, so I won`t.

In reply to jala
Hell-a place where JALA knows
A place where JALA will go
Because of his hate obsessions
and lack of mental possessions

In reply to jaydee

oh SHUT UP!

In reply to jala

sarwan avg 44, gayle avg 39, sarwan is obviously and clearly better.

In reply to thefan

Some people are so simple minded........a certain man barely scrape 40.00 in ODIs........

In reply to thefan

Sarwan might be a better ODI batsman than Gayle but we all know who is the better ODI cricketer. That is ...um...Gayle. Gayle wins matches either with his batting or his bowling. Doh lemme add astute captaincy.

When Sarwan gets 130+ wickets at 30ish each let me know.

In reply to JahJah

Chief, let's not forget who our enemy is...........We are all for one bro......we doan fight each other

In reply to jala



you are one of the funniest guys on this board!

In reply to jala

Stop stealing my stats

In reply to jala


Gayle ever mek a WC final and tek the ring, how many has Gayle, sanath made another final mek that 2?

he was most instrumental in getting his team there...same can be said of Gayle?

Sanath has played 398 matches, how many Gayle has, Sanath has 300 plus ODI wickets, how many Gayle get? Sanath get 12k ODI runs how many Gayle get?

Sanath has dominated all type of bowling in ODI, has Gayle?

O and the average is almost 33...and when you do the math for almost 400 matches that means almost 400 runs more....

o, and one more thing....Sanath's stike rate is 90 and Gayle's 80...that a difference of 10 runs more per hundred balls faced....damn....

the differnce in average is 6 and not 7 as you tried to lie about, again....38.88 and 32.83....Sanath has played 225 matches more....

Sanath is the best ODI cricketer ever, put that in yuh pipe and smoke it.

1. Gayle has made all his runs in an era far easier to bat in, Jaya made most of his runs in an era far harder to bat in- simply because facing OZ in his time still meant McWarne, but facing Pak meant facing the two Ws & Saqlain, facing RSA meant facing a full throttle Pollock & Donald (not the half-pace Pollock of the last 3 yrs), facing WI meant facing Amby-Walsh, etc.

2. In ODI, its not all about average. Strike rate also factors in, since balls are limited in #. Adam Gillchrist with his 36 batting ave is a far better ODI batsman than Gayle because of his insane strike rate. That Jayasurya strikes at a far greater rate than Gayle goes a large way to negate his slightly lesser average(i will get to this next).
To put it in context- 50 in 52 balls is a better ODI knock than 60 in 75 balls.

3. Jaya had zero coaching before he made it to the national team. SL till early 90s had NO coaching set up before international team- their MO was to take pure young 'beach cricketers' and give them a run in the international side, hoping he will learn from the seniors and the coach present. Jaya had a REALLY SLOW start to his career, scoring only 1207 runs in his first 75 ODIs at 18.28
Since then he's scored 10909 runs at 36.00 in ODIs and that too, at a strike rate of over 90. That alone obliterates Gayle.

So yes, it is simple- Jaya was someone who started out batting in ODIs like a tailender would but that was over 12 years ago and Jaya has played 300+ ODIs since then. I don't see how that takes away from the fact that Jaya for MOST of his career and Jaya TODAY is a much better batsman than Gayle, has been so for the last 10+ years and will go down as a better one than Gayle unless Gayle keeps this up for DOUBLE the matches he's played so far, he wont even merit comparison with Jaya.

You can't just compare numbers without context- yes, Jaya was a total retard with the bat very early in his career. Whopee facting ding. Since then, he made one of the most AMAZING jumps a cricketer has EVER made in international cricket.

Consider this:
Mohammed Ashraful has played 38 tests, scoring 1801 runs @ 25.72, with only 4 tons & 7 fifties.
Yes, he's had a few amazing innings in between but he's been overall quite facting poor.
But it is widely acknowledged that Ashraful is one of the most talented batsman in the world but he is too rash.

Now what if tomorrow Ashraful makes the 'leap' mentally & over the next 100 tests, ends up playing 190 innings, 10 not outs & 10,000 runs, scoring a century every 5 innings, against the best of the best, scores 400 in Tests, 15 doubles and 3 triples ?
That means an average of almost 55.5 through the period too.
But his 'overall' record would be 138 tests, 11801 runs @ 47.24 and by your books, 'unworthy' of being compared to Rohan Kanhai or Clive Lloyd, nevermind better batsmen.
Which would be pretty idiotic, really.

In your retarded book, purely based on disingeneous and agenda-driven manipulations of statistics(which is fairly easy for someone like me to discern), if Person A scores 4000 runs in 1st 100 ODI dismissals and 4000 in 2nd 100 ODI dismisals, then he is a 'better' batsman than one who scores 1000 runs in 1st 100 ODI dismissala and 6000 runs in the next 100 ODI dismissals.
Numerically a correct deduction but in context of cricket, an utterly incorrect/moronic one.

Jaya scored 10909 runs @ 36.00 with 90+ strike rate ovah the last 300+ matches of his career and last 12 years. Yes, very early on he sucked, but that is largely irrelvant.

Plus Jaya has made runs in critical-must-win matches and butchered opposition bowlers who's quality Gayle $hits his pants against.

Plus Jaya is a much better test bat than Gayle.

Now, begone.

look, gayle and jaya both have 5 centuries against the minnows. jaya has 25 overall and gayle has 15 overall.

boss....u comparing a 27 yr old with a 37 yr old...and u bring these stats..

overall...tests included jaya wins by a good margin..but in onedayers..jaya wins it..but its slightly close.gayle is still 27..will mature in time..

gayle doesnt play moving deliveries well....jayasurya is an allround player.

In reply to thefan

i noticed that you posted a stats for Sarwan and that for Gayle and concluded using just taht....how to interpret that?

In reply to prasad

but isn't jala saying Gayle average more and therefore he wins without talkign context?

the discussion is centred around ODIs.

Gayle is a better ODI bat than Jaya. Jaya is not even the best ever. Argument facting done.

Look how many matches he play. 400 matches. Is Jaya one get facting SL to a final of a WC? He had a great supporting cast.

In reply to ganga_fan

This is the single duncest statement I have seen in my wife. Yeah, Gayle doh play 400 matches yet so he can't be better.



No, it gets better(worse). How many wickets Jaya have compared to Walsh in ODIs? I guess Jaya is better than Walsh eh. BY the way, Gayle's bowling avg, SR and econ are better.



Oh boy, Doesn't Carl Hooper have more runs than KP? Anyhow, Jaya has batted 387 times for those 12,000 runs. Gayle has batter 170 times for his 6,000. Do the math. Yeah, Jaya is out of this world!! half of 387 is what? nuh roun' 194?? Suh Gayle is ahead of de pace by 24 matches?

So what if Jaya's SR is 90 and Gayle's 80? If Jaya had an SR of 90 at the same average as Gayle then that would be a huge deal. Right now, that basically evens it out. But like I said, Gayle is ahead of the TOTAL run pace.

Now, as for test cricket, de only ting Jaya have over Gayle is all dem not outs.

In reply to JahJah

u dont understand the context of that 398 statement bro....


we not gonna argue more on this one...

In reply to ganga_fan

I understand it. How many test Walsh played compared to Holding again?

I juss hope we around when Gayle play 170 more matches and end up with 12,000 and 30 tons and yes an SR of 85



Say thanks for the maths help!

In reply to JahJah

u see thats the point man, we have to hope that all goes well with Gayle, whilst Jayabeen there done taht....

In reply to ganga_fan

Gayle gets 150 to 170 more matches and he will get past 12000. Give him until 400 matches and it will be 13000



Fact is, Gayle is 25 matches ahead of Jaya's pace. De man is an exciting bat but I not going to rush and crown him best ODI player ever much less better dan Gayle.

In reply to JahJah

Err..YES!



Argument only done in the minds of insular likke skunts like you with room temperature intelligence.
Which is why you cyan touch my arguments in favour of Jaya.

Yeah, Jaya is not one of the best ever- but Gayle is not either- he is nowhere in the picture either. He's a very good ODI player- but not in the ranks of the greats. Its Jaya who started scoring 50s in 20-25 balls opening first up in ODIs on a regular basis.
in the last 15 years, there have been SEVERAL ODI batsmen better than Gayle - Jaya, Tendy, Dravid, Lara, Sarwan, Inzy,Ganguly, Youhana, deSilva, MEW, Gillchrist, Ponting, Anwar, Smith,Kallis, Gibbs to name a few that i can think of off the top of my head.

In reply to JahJah

Pure speculation, zero garantee. Players are known to just 'lose it' after a while or decline.



Only coz Jaya wasnt even a batsman when he made the team.
whopee facting ding!
At 70 matches, almost every Tom,Dick & Harry was ahead of Tendulkar's ODI record. We all know what happened after that and just how credible this 'total run pace' nonsense is. As i said, idiotic analysis of numbers.No wonder the fools doing so don't have an iota of proper education in sciences.Just two-bit highschoolers.

In reply to JahJah

300+ valuable odi wickets with the 12 000 runs and his timely and significant contributions, along with the ability to dominate most if not all of the attacks he has faced, puts him right up there.

In reply to WIfan

And then the nutter says...


HAHAHHAHAHAH

You saying Jaya better than Gayle for these stats

Avg 32 at an SR of 90 to Gayle's 39 avg at an SR of 80

NOW you telling me Dravid's 40 avg at an SR of 71 is better than Gayle's?

WAHAAAAAAAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA

OH GORM OH GOD

OH DEAR!!!"

WAHAHAHHAHAHA

You need to go yu bed right now. What time it is in Vancouver? 3am?? Guh yu bed!! WAHGAHAHHAHA


OH GORM!!!!!!

WHAT GREAT SCIENTIFIC ANALYSIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Footnote: Dravid 327 matches, 12 tons at an Sr of 71 with an avg of 40 versus Gayle's 174 matches, 15 tons at SR of 80 with an avg of 38.89


HAHAHHAHAHA

PS: I never said Gayle was the best ODI player ever. Jaya certainly isnt!! Neither are half the players you just mentioned. AND WHAT? WAHHAHA

In reply to WIfan

waht is total run pace man?

strike rate?

Gayle's 80.x

Jaya's 90.x

Jaya scores 10 runs more per hundred balls faced...

or is it something else yall talking bout?

Add to that

Ganguly, with an avg of 41 at an SR of 73 from 300+ matches


using the same SR and avg logic............

In reply to ganga_fan

doh bodder WIFan, he busy searching through google on how to escape this one. Escape Artistry 101 as perfected the greatest civilization on earth

Hey WIFan,

found another one!! Kallis.

Gayle's avg is INDEED 6 less than Kallis' 45, much in the same way that Jaya's is 6 or 7 less than Gayle's. Do you know Kallis's SR compared with Gayle's? Is about 9 less.

Off the top of yu head eh???

AHAHHAHAHA

Suh yu saying Jaya better dan Gayle but Gayle not better dan Kallis based on your SR and averages argument?

great analysis. Yu de bestest!

Now be careful next time wid dem boasts of how yu are a genius. Yu is a fruad. OK??!?!?!

In reply to JahJah

What i am telling you is that you are MISINTERPRETING the stats. What i am telling you is that it is usual idiotic analysis from your part and i am not surprised, given that analysis and statistics (especially discerning its relevance and limiting factors) are far beyond the skills you posess with your highschool level of mathematical and logical competence (if that).




it was. Exactly why you dare not touch my post from 9/17/07 3:13:52 AM directly.
Got you comprehensively schooled there, sonny.
Now go back to repeating simple numbers you do not understand the meaning or context of.

Now onto Gibbs, WIFan

Gibbs avg is 36 and his SR is 82 in 213 matches with 17 tons. Seems on par with Gayle based on stats alone. So tell me,how is he clearly a better ODI batsman? Not saying he isn't. Just want your analysis on record.

I mean, the theories of a genius must be treasured. And we all do treasure your genius!

In reply to WIfan

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

WAAAAAAAAAAAA

so since I fool and doh understand the GREAT BRAINY SCIENTIFIC ANALYSIS why not jess put it in layman terms how Dravid is better than Gayle in ODIs

I am DYING to hear this one.

Dra-facting-vid????


Please, doh keep me waiting. Layman terms please. Me WI caveman. Me doh undostan indian civilization analysis.

In reply to JahJah

As i said, you do not posess adequate intellect like most others here to understand the nuances.
I made it very clear that pure stats is only part of the story. Who the runs are made against, in what match, what tourney, etc. are of far more consequence.
I put the batsmen ahead of Gayle after considering the runs they made, at what strike rate, who they made the runs against, in what facting era, in critical matches, etc etc.

That Ganguly, Dravid, Jaya, Kallis, etc. are far superior to Gayle as ODI bat is plain as daylight once the relevant factors are considered in.

In reply to JahJah

I cannot make it any simpler than i did in post tagged as 9/17/07 3:13:52 AM. Please read it and ask for clarification in regard to that post.



no no. you should've said 'me doh undostan analysis'.
That would've been more apt and appropriate.

In reply to WIfan

Show me how they are FAR superior, much less superior in the case of Dravid in particular.

PLEASE. Put dat big brain ah yours to use nah!!

Doh keep me waiting!!!!!!

In reply to JahJah

One at a time.. i think your bloated Jamaican ego can take only so much deflating.
Lets deal with Jayasurya first and direct your comments towards the post tagged as 9/17/07 3:13:52 AM.



Take that tone with your pickney or the pieces of meat that serve your purile needs. I ent obliged to do anything for you. If you wanna dodge my analysis because you simply too likke to admit a sound thrashing, i will keep you waiting for your purile questions for as long as i facting want!

In reply to WIfan

OK, since you are starting to run for cover I will mek it easy for you. Just Dravid alone. Just one subject. DRAVID.

Kindly show me how Dravid is far superior to Gayle in ODI batting.

I need this one on record. I think this is the key to understanding how that marvellous brain of yours works. Since I am too dunce I will ask my little sister who breezed through med school to help me out.

yours truly,
CaveJah.

In reply to WIfan

hahahaha. My Jamaican ego is just fine. It's your great civilization raised mind that I am worried about.

We(at least I) agree to disagree on Jaya v Gayle. Jaya is arguably better than Gayle and vice versa. Dat done.

Now onto Dravid.

THAT IS, if you are smart enough to show me...

In reply to JahJah

I ent running son. You are. I am trying to bring you back to the post tagged as 9/17/07 3:13:52 AM, where i already done destroy your argument on the topic of this thread.
Come back to that or STFU coz you ent man enough to admit when you got hosed.



One at a time as i said sonny. First was Gayle and jaya, lets keep it at that.



Perhaps. But that is not your concern, since you are far too inferior a specimen to understand it yourself.

In reply to WIfan

No, wee can deal with all ah dem at de same time. It never stopped you before when you went off on tangents with regards to Jamaicans and dem culture so why yu can't tek 5mins out of yu brainy day and explain the Dravid situation?

I know why.....................

It's called copping out.

WAHAHAHHAHA

run forest, run!!!!!

In reply to JahJah

No, no 'arguably'. Jaya IS better than Gayle, pe-facting-riod.

Anyways, i claim game,set & match.

JahJah-retard went from : " Gayle is a better ODI bat than Jaya. Jaya is not even the best ever. Argument facting done. " at post tagged at 9/17/07 5:35:03 AM to " Jaya is arguably better than Gayle and vice versa." at post tagged at 9/17/07 6:35:33 AM.

It is clear who is the clueless one here.
And yes, as you mentioned before, its 3:30 am in vancouver. Way past my bedtime. Your education on Dravid-vs-Gayle shall have to wait for later.For now, all i will say is, Dravid since 99 has scored nearly 9000 runs @ 42-43 and strike rate of 80-81.
Plus way more # of matchwinning/setting up knocks for India than Gayle in his case.
Gayle is a decent batsman but very much a 'fairweather batsman'.

In reply to WIfan

Hahahahah

Jaya is not better than Gayle. That is your OPINION. It doh work dat way. You are a such a childish prat! I said that to get you to move onto Dravid. It is called comprimise. Both sides can be argued equally. It isn't clear cut.

Run away like you always do. That is all you can do.

Once again you have beaten up on this board.

What a sad life you must lead!!!!!

RUN FOREST, RUN!!!!!!! WHAT A COWARD!!! WAHAHAHHAHAHAHAQ

In reply to JahJah

It is to those who understand cricket.
You see, whenever words such as 'understand, logic, analysis' etc. are involved, it automatically disqualifies you since you do not posess such traits.



The only coward is the one refusing to address the argument in my post tagged as 9/17/07 3:13:52 AM.
Simple as that, chump.

As i said, game, set & facting match.

tam taddam....:taps feet::

back to the the main thesis of the thread please...gentlemen.

In reply to WIfan

wait, I went away and come and see you ent gone yu bed yet?

Look coward. Gayle is better some and Jaya is better to others. Jaya ent no clear cut winner. Dat argument done. We could argue til you finally get some front for de first time in yu life but who got dat kinda time?

Not me

Now, let's address the Dravid thing quickly....using your scientific analysis and whatever else yu tink can help yu from de sinking ship yu on.

Overall stats aren't absolutely everything, like WIFAN says Dravid shows up when the team needs him most.

Dravid superbly drove IND thru to the final, whilst keeping wicket, Gayle couldn't even keep his own wicket intact, at least not until Kenya rolled round to give Gayle his only WC century, when the game was already up

As if Gayle's sub 30,world cup, batting average wasn't bad enough, he has padded it by making his biggest scores when the WI squad was on it's way to the departure lounge waiting for the plane home.

Gayle records vs AUS ain't too hot either, his sub 20 batting average, on AUS soil, shows you what he is made of

These are the ultimate tests and Gayle has flunked them.

In reply to reality

Gayle has a 30.94 ODI average vs Oz. Doh matter what he made IN Oz. He averages 30.94 against them

Dravid shows up when his team needs him in ODIs? How many times out of 327 (nearly double Gayle's) matches? So because Dravid batted well in ONE match to send India to a WC final means he is better than Gayle? What is the reason for Dravid having a one run more than Gayle in average but 9 less than him in SRs and 3 less in tons?

Dravid keeping wicket is supposed to hinder his batting? Who is more likely to bat well? A keeper of a spinner?

We know you are a Gayle hater so what you says doesn't count.

PS: I know you weren't here and missed it. Gayle made 117, the first 20-20 ton in history when his team needed it. Thing is, they didn't seem to want to help.

PPS: Which one of Gayle's 3 tons in the last ICC trophy, for which he was Man of the tournament, were made when WI were in the departing lounge? If I remember correctly, it was he who drove WI into the final of that tourney. A tourney that doesnt include every minnow country on the planet like the WC. Ya missed that one too?

In reply to JahJah

world cup / ICC tournament = 2 different tournaments.


Dravid averages over 60 in world cups

Gayle averages under 30

Class dismissed

If you have any further queries please seek registration for the foundation classes

Many thanks

In reply to reality

and Gayle averages 57 in ICC. The World Cup might have more prestige but ICC has better sides competing. No Bermuda's and Argentina and shyte like that!!!!!

Gayle averages more than Dravid batting 2nd where most of the pressure is on. Dravid has played nearly twice the amount of matches as Gayle. If Gayle showed up for his team 10 times and Dravid 15 for his, who has de better ratio?

class dismissed

oh, Gayle still has one or two world cups in him to correct his average there.

I guess by your logic Kim Collins was/is a better sprinter than Asafa Powell. I guess Michael Frater and Darrel Brown are also better sprinters than Powell since they each have an individual silver and he only has a bronze.

If you want more schooling please continue to be yourself and be de arse.

In reply to JahJah

The world cup and the ICC knockabout are not comparable, if you take the minnows out of the equation, Gayle’s world cup average falls even further.



Batting 2nd in a early season clash against Canada and in a the world cup semi final are different things.

Gayle averages under 25 batting 2nd in the world cup, Dravid over 50




what is the meaning of this?


He lucky, if he was AUS or IND he might not have 1 or 2 more ODIS to look forward to



It's the big tournaments where the big men shine. Asafa is the most talented sprinter, but not the greatest competitor, Gayle is neither the comparison doesn't hold up.




I may have to up your fees, with all this out of hours tuition

please see lecture notes, "dummy's guide to cricket", for further info

In reply to reality

THe ICC knockout format makes it a more pressurized situation than WC so your right, they are not comparable!!!



That would be the same for just about EVERY players, dumbass!



Yu mean like how Dravid couldn't mek the India team for 20-20?

Remind us who is the first man with a 20-20 ton. You know his name? Was it in a useless match?

Anyway, back to the ODIs

PlayerA
2nd innings 163 146 20 4508 109* 107 105 35.77 3 34 4

PlayerB
2nd innings 86 86 8 3256 133* 132* 132 41.74 8 20 7




Someone who cannot string together two coherent sentences cannot chat to me.

You couldn't find your left foot much less tutor anyone.

I repeat for those who are deaf, dumb and blind. The ICC trophy is the world cup without a bevy of minnows!!!!!!! The WC needs to start excluding these minnows like the ICC trophy does!! WC is a great idea gone wrong.

Kim Collins, Michael Frater and Darrel Brown all have better World Championship returns than Asafa Powell but Asafa has a WR and a 32 sub 10s times. The second most in history. If the 3 gents mentioned have 10 subs 10s between them I would be pleasantly surprised. If they had more winds on the circuit (put together) I would also be surprised!

One lucky run by each of the three men doesn't make them better sprinters than Asafa! Might make them luckier and so called mentally tougher(because pressure wasn't on them to win) but doesn't make them better. Gayle has time to correct his WC failures but for now the ICC triumphs are good enough seeing as though he beat back the best in ICC and drove his side into an ICC final. ICC = WC without a ton of minnows!

In reply to lielie

http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/twenty20wc/content/story/309199.html

Dravid pulled out of the 20/20, stop lying, it's like I tell all my students, if you don't know, put your hand up



I'll tell you after you name the first person to score a 100 in 50 overs Int cricket or in tests. You can't, can you? Coz it irrelevant, IMO no-one will know or care in a few yrs









Stop making 20/20 and the ICC 'hit and giggle' cup, to be the whole world, just coz Gayle made the odd score. anytime the ball deflects off Gayle's bat and goes for a boundary or 2, you make it out to be the most significant thing that's ever happened in sports.



The WC is the most pressurised, prestigous tournament

In reply to realassity

I know he pulled out but he can't mek dat 20-20 side on merit. If you are a teacher then whatever school you teach at must be in dire straits! Yu would put Ganga on yu 20-20 side??



People will care if after two years no one still has scored a ton. Also, what if others do but not as quickly as Gayle did? Still will be remembered, no?



WC might have presitige but the ICC has a more do or die nature and as such brings more pressure. WC has lost its glow of 1975 and 1979 because it is being polluted with shittobattie teams like Bermuda and Denmark!!!!!

In reply to reality

still haven't figured this one out yet?

get one of yu students to 'elp yu nah!

In reply to JahJah

Chief, u can never get thru' so people here if u use logics....remember that!

Batting second seems to be an important factor to you

well

Gayle averages less batting 2nd in the world cup than Dravid

and guess what, in the precious, battle of the titans 'ICC empty cup' Dravid averages more batting second than Gayle

In reply to reality

Please refer to Jaya....

Tenks.....

In reply to jala

The 'Gayle better than Jaya' argument has been debunked, let it rest in peace.

The 'Gayle better than Dravid' argument will take the opposite grave

the
[Dravid averages over 60 in world cups

Gayle averages under 30] line

was the death blow

In reply to JahJah

Gayle has 1873 out of 6184 runs against the minnows. That is a 30.29% of his ODI runs against the minnows.

Jaya has 2002 runa out of 12116 runs against the minnows. That is 16.52% of his ODI runs against minnows.

It is facting clear who has benefited more heavily from minnow bullyism.

In reply to thefan

How much did Jaya make against the other minnows (WI)? How much would Gayle make against them?

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

Are you a facting dunce? Are WI a minnow in ODIs? Didn't we win several series over the past few yrs and made several finals?

In reply to thefan

Are u a skunt? Not since we lost the WC in 1983 have we been a force in ODI

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

There has been one force in ODI cricket in the past decade and that is Australia. Everybody else have been peaks and valleys so just STFU with your nonsense. We are talking over the careers of Jayasuriya and Gayle. In fact, Jaya played against stronger Zim sides than Gayle. He also played against stronger WI ODI sides too.

In reply to thefan

But his average is no better than Gayle's

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

Thats a fact. doesn't make gayle a better ODI player than him tho.

In reply to thefan

I thought runs, averages and strike rates make a player.....is there something else u look for? Like who is better looking, taller, from farrin...what?

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

Therefore, Tendy, Dravid, Ponting are all conclusively better than Lara, right?

Well, Jaya has more runs and a better SR so he's ahead on 2 out of your 3 counts. Importantly, a higher % of his runs are against better competition than Gayle.

In reply to thefan


last time I checked Gayle played against Streak, Johnnson, Goodwin and the Flowers, no. That means he played against strong ZIM sides.

Have you noticed Jaya has played 400 facting matches?? Don't look at the total runs Jaya has scored. Look at his averages. Does he NOT average more against minnows then OZ and co?? Doesn't that mean he too has benefited from the minnows??

In reply to jala

reality is a dunce. Pay him no mind. His stats are so useless. He is using World Cups only to judge the worth of a player. That shows how dunce he is.

Dravid averages more than Lara in World Cups. Ask realassity if he thinks Dravid is a better ODI bat than Lara.

Hell, Dravid averages 61 in WC and Jaya averages 34 and Gayle 29 in WCs. Dravid must be better than Jaya too, right??

In reply to JahJah

How many matches gayle played against them compared to Jaya? The flowers are frontline bowlers? Look, Zim was not a strong side with Streak et al. It was competitive but not a strong side ok. The fact of the matter is that Zim was a minnow for the duration of gayle's and jaya's careers. Jaya played against better attacks than gayle whenever he played Zim.

At the end of the day, one man has scored 30.29% of his ODI runs against minnows while the other has scored 16.52%. Its as simple as that.

In reply to JahJah

Last time I checked Jaya also played against WI sides that had Ambrose, bishop and walsh

Can you imagine what they would have done the Gayle? Gayle batting avergae may have plumbmated to a negative value

In reply to thefan

Like you are real dumb. You said Jaya played against stronger ZIM side

I showed you that was NOT the case. Now you talking about the Flowers not being frontline bowlers. So what is the point of calling out a side? When only two or three sides had good bowling attacks. The Paks, the Ozzies, The Saffies. Who else at the time had good attacks? Certainly not India, right? England? NZ??

In reply to lielie

So you have awaken

24 hrs a day lielie will be lying one way or another.

If Dravid's world cup average was more than double Lara's or Jaya, then yes he would be better

bye!

In reply to realassity

How does an average go into a negative state?

What does plumbmated mean again Mr teacher?

Gayle would have beat them back the same way he beat back Pollocl, Ntini and Ahktar.

Anything else?

In reply to JahJah

last time I checked, Jaya played 62 out of 398 ODIs against the minnows.

Last time I checked, Gayle played 40 out of 174 ODIs against the minnows.

In reply to realassity

Lara averages 40 in WC. Jaya 34

61 - 40 = ?

61 - 34 = ?

That is your exercise for today.

In reply to thefan

What does that prove? That Gayle has played 134 ODs and Jaya 336...SO FAR??

In reply to JahJah

It proves that gayle has benefited largely from playing the minnows as opposed to jaya. This raises serious questions about the quality of gayle's runs.

In reply to thefan

You are such an ass. I doh see you questioning Sarwan's runs!

Gayle averages (Jaya in bracklets)

50.92 against ENG [44.08]
39.21 against RSA (24.55)
37.50 against IND (36.66)
30.94 against OZ (23.10)
27.60 against SL (32.92 against WI)
26.57 against NZ (34.60)
25.95 against Pak (33.65)

I don't see the big difference when you exclude de minnows. Gayle has Eng, RSA, IND and OZ while Jaya has Pak and NZ. If yu want, yu can use WI over SL and give Jaya WI as well.

That is 4 for Gayle and 3 for Jaya.

vs de top minnows:
vs ZIM Gayle = 57.88 Jaya = 26.83
vs BANG Gayle = 42.87 Jaya = 51.60

One a piece. Gayle still ahead.

PS:
Jaya has 5 30+ averages against non minnows. Gayle has 4. Whoopee, big deal.

Gayle averages 25+ against all and Jaya, all but 2(RSA and OZ).

35+?? 3 for Gayle, 2 for Jaya.

In reply to JahJah

Yes, the stats against non-minnows is pretty similar. Its the stats against minnows that gives gayle the advantage.

Gayle's combined avg against Bang and Zim is higher than Jaya 57.88 + 42.87 = 100.75/2 = 50.38. Jaya's combined avg against Bang and Zim is 78.43/2 = 39.22. That is exactly where the discrepancy arises wrt average.

Averages does not account for the significant discrepancy in terms of matches played against minnows. Gayle has played 23% of his ODI matches against minnows while Jaya has played 16% of his matches.

The fact that Gayle has a higher avg while playing a higher % of matches against minnows certainly casts doubts about the real value of his avg compared to jaya.

In fact, thanks to your excellent research, if one is to avg the combined averages of gayle vs. jaya against the 7 quality teams we get an avg of 34.00 vs. 33.00. Thus, it comes down to other qualitiative factors such as performances in WC, hundreds, SR, consistency, etc.

In reply to thefan

LOL. Quick and delete those calculations before anyone sees it and laughs at you.

Just so you know. Jaya's combined avg against ZIM/BANG is 34.91 while Gayle's is 53.08. Is it Gayle's fault Jaya cannot handle the 'powerful' ZIM attack? lol

Go back to the drawing board and do more research

PS: Jaya has a 96.50 avg vs The Netherlands. I know I know. It's from 2 matches and gayle doesn't have an average against them thanks to his only score against them being 51*

In reply to thefan

WI bowling attack is quality????

I tort we had de wuss bowling attack alongside Bang and Zim. Jaya's runs against us shouldn't count if Gayle's against Zim and Bang won't

In reply to JahJah

Jaya has played a higher % of games against the top 7 teams in ODI cricket (84%) compared to gayle (77%) and yet his avg is only under less than 2 runs compared to gayle.

On the issue of their averages against the minnows, one has to wonder why hasn't jaya dominated the minnows like gayle.

how the hell did you get "quality attack" from quality team?

Jaya played the majority of his games against WI against a quality attak.

In reply to thefan

ent he batting against the quality attack?

Listen, whether is the top teams or the minnows, Gayle ahead.

Good night and good luck. I gone watch TV wid me missus. Yu can gwaan.

I see that the moron here ( JahJah) still doesnt fugging get it that Gayle's stats are stronger on paper because Jaya was a PATHETIC batsman for the first 4-5 yrs of his career.
I mean for fux sake, the guy averaged 18-19 runs for the first 75 ODIs he played ! That is tailender, a stat that the likes of Wasim Akram or Chaminda Vaas have with the bat ! This is what weighs down Jaya's overall stats but when Jaya matured, he scored 36+ average runs at 90+ strike rate over 300+ ODIs!
Now that 'overall average' is very close to Gayle but he blows Gayle apart in explosive runscoring (which is a big deal in ODIs) with his strike rate !

Plus Jaya has scored runs when its mattered the most- in triangular tourney finals, in world cups, in semis, etc etc. Plus Jaya has demolished bowlers like Wasim,Waqar, Donald, etc.- all the bowlers way way above the quality Gayle has faced for most his career- and if anyone thinks Gayle would hammer Akram around the ballpark, i've got a bridge to sell you. Facting Vaas-bunny would've been eaten up by Akram inside 5 minutes almost every facting time!

Gayle averages 28.93 in world cups, Jaya averages 34.26
Gayle averages 23.11 in ODI finals, Jaya averages 41.48 in ODI finals.
Jaya averages 35.12 runs ( 2002 runs) against minnows ( bangladesh,zimbabwe,kenya,scotland,ireland and all those minnows).
Gayle averages 58.53(1873 runs) against the same fugging minnows.
Gayle has over 30% of his runs against the minnows, Jaya has 16.5 % of his runs against minnows.

PLUS Jaya has proved himself for over TWICE the span as Gayle has.
Easy as day-fugging-light to see who is better but don't expect the arrogant Jamaican to see that.


It is easy to see

In reply to WIfan

you raise an interesting point about SR. Jaya is at 90 vs. gayle at 80. Against quality opposition gayle avg 34 while jaya avg 33 but his SR is higher than gayle. In effect, he has the same avg as gayle at a faster SR, which is a significant advantage for his team and a reflection of his dominance.

In terms of dominance against the bowling, Jaya has 242 sixes in 398 ODIs, which is in 61% of his games. Gayle has 96 sixes in 174 ODIs for 55%. Gayle hits 4.3 fours per game while there is no ODI stat for Jaya but using his test stat (less aggression), he hits 4.8 fours per innings so it would probably be at least 4.8 fours per innings.

An avg Gayle innings lasts 42 balls and a Jaya innings lasts 36 balls with more fours and sixes.

btw, Gayle is physically bigger than Jaya.

In reply to Liadfan

Easy to see my ass.

Gayle arguably better dan Jaya

Gayle definitely better than Dravid

case closed.

no go back and hug yu blow up doll.

In reply to WIfan

better yet, go and try and find a place for sweet Tendy in the top 4 test batsmen of all time now that that skunt Lara knock him out of the box.

The best
Bradman
Sobers
Lara
Viv





must hurt.

In reply to JahJah

Jaya is slightly ahead of Gayle right now. Gayle has time on his side and will likely correct that in the next few yrs.

In reply to JahJah

when did he beat ahktar?

As you indicated, he averages a 25 vs PAK, with no centuries against Shoiab himself

The same can't be said for you, lielie, you achieved your century of lies some time ago

In reply to reality

I see him beat Chuktar out of the attack more dan once. Obviously he has problems with other bowlers. Dat doh mean he never beat Chuktar himself!

Now run along.

In reply to JahJah

More than once, care to provide some scorecards?

In reply to reality

go look it up yourself. If I remember correctly Gayle was slightly injured in that match or it was his heart that started to act up and after taking a break to catch he breath he resumed and lost his wicket.

In reply to JahJah

surprise, surprise, no evidence from lielie

Gayle has done very little vs Akthar

You know it, I know it, admit the truth for once, you will feel a lot better

you don't have to b such an eternal liar, lielie

In reply to realassity

what is the matter? You cannot prove he didn't beat him up once or twice so you say I lie? You think I have time to tell lie bout a facting cricketer?

hahahaha

Seems likeyu stuck. Gayle's ODI success is too much for you to manage. 41+ avg chasing scores where most of the pressure is on.

Hahahahhaa

WAAAAAAAAAAAAA

In reply to JahJah

Gayle ave 25 vs PAK, Shoaib has Gayle kneeling in his hutch.

Your counter claim amounts to "no he hasn't", show me some numbers, if you can.

Or admit you were wrong/lying. Try telling the truth, it feel good, you have probably never done it, so you will have to take my word for it



the pressure is on you lielie, where are those shoiab beatings?

Currently, the only one getting beatings is you licklicks



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In reply to realassity

So Chuktar is the one bowling all 50 overs for Pak, I get it. You are a genius!

In reply to thefan

Are you for real!!!
.....what`s similar about those 2?

In reply to JahJah

In reply to the liester

50 overs from shoiab! imagine the collateral damage to gayle's average, although it's statiscally very difficult for his ave vs PAK to go any lower

No Gayle has done poorly enough already, despite this baldheaded lie from lord lielie



Gayle is good in ODI, but not quite good enough, I hope he improves, I'm tired of lucinda lielie lying up the place

In reply to reality

Not as poorly as Sanath vs RSA


Sanath

`Onry

In reply to Cleg

..............leff dem people bro........

In reply to WIfan

stop talking shit cockhead...you put jaya ahead of Gayle cos he's from the sub-continent and Gayle is a black west indian...end of story...ya love them sub continent players don't ya tigah...wifan...lol...funny name that...you're a real fan...

In reply to reality

mate you are a fuking wanker...not quite good enough?? fuk you...where are you from?? you a trini??

I don't put one in front of the other...they're similar in some ways...they aint great technically,they're eye players...they can both rip an attck to shred,neither of em have great test records...I love wathing both of em...who cares who's better??

Anyone cares to comment now...........

Jaya or Gayle?

ganga_fan........

In reply to jala

are u stupid enough to judge a man whohas played 398 matches in one or 2 20-20?

u are a real joker on cricketing matters....dude

In reply to ganga_fan

STFU and get back on de odda tred

In reply to JahJah

did u post the runs.....u ever hear anyone call Jaya x bunny or y bunny...u ever see Jaya run from fast bowling?

why dont u give it a rest...

In reply to ganga_fan

Please Mr Smarty Pants........what did the guy with 398 ODIs average again?.......all those matches and he could not even average 35, and he is opening the innings to boot. What a waste!

In reply to ganga_fan

32 is the answer to your question!.........that tells you how he did against fast bowling because that's what he faced as an opener...

I figure that you have a difficult time analysing facts!.....or is it another social issue that clouds your judgement

In reply to jala

........

that just confirms what a cricket dunce you are.....

you hold on to one fact and ingnore many others...including the strike rate and the wickets and others...

In reply to ganga_fan

So great one, u saying that 20 from 25 balls better than 75 from 100 balls?..........u are a real cricket dunce!



So if Gayle plays 398 matches, how may wickets will he have by then?...

Was Jaya even on top of the all rounder list?........

In reply to ganga_fan

Jaya is NOT the best ODI player of all time.

WAHAHAHHA

run along

In reply to jala

is that Jaya's stats? 12 000 runs and u have time to chat that?

In reply to JahJah

I doan know what wrong with some people.........a difference of 7 points between the two and yet he attempts to discredit Gayle..........

In reply to ganga_fan

Mr. Man, 12000 runs can't stand alone, it's average and matches played.

According to your " logic" Jaya better than Lara, Viv, Haynes, Greenidge, Lloyd, Mark Waugh, etc...........u really naive

In reply to jala

u understand why people have no respect for you...is it a difference of 7 civil engineer? were u one of the guys shooting bullets during maths exams at ug?

In reply to jala

and not strike rate?

In reply to ganga_fan

Please go back and do some maths!

In reply to jala

38.89 - 32.83 = ????? 7

In reply to ganga_fan

Your judgement is clearly clouded by you dislike for Gayle.......

In reply to ganga_fan

Wait, U trying to ge exact now?............u really clutching at straws.............

In reply to jala

i do not dislike Gayle, if i beleive Jaya is better than him means i hate him?

u are such a binary thinker man

In reply to ganga_fan

self hate

In reply to faada

no man, i personally believe that Gayle is not a better player than Jaya...u call that self hate rass?

In reply to ganga_fan

if gayle had 3 games like jaya has had, everyone would have been calling for him to get dropped and talking about what an inconsistent skunt he is.

In reply to faada

For the first time in my memory...we agree on something....


We hold our players to differnt standards to the farriners. Another myth is that Flemming is better than Gayle. But the stats say something differnt

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

it's a natural result of the fact that we pay more attention to our own players and that their performance obviously means more to us.

It also doesn't help that we lose so much.

That said, we're often too quick to write players off.

In reply to faada

When it comes to negativity. For example Gayle makes duck we say get rid of him, Jaya makes duck we say he just having a bad game.

Gayle/Lara makes a stunning ton. We say flat track bullies or that we still lose so it is of no consequence.

Jaya makes a ton.....He is the best

In reply to jala

man think Jaya is the best player of all time. Dat alone tells me him on druugs. What next? Boycott the best test player ever?

In reply to JahJah

Other issues deeply entrenched........