Remembering Adam Sanford

In his short two-year Test career he took 30 wkts., more than many other West Indian fastbowlers who were persisted with over a longer period of time.

In reply to ProWI


i rememebr he wasnt good enough.

In reply to ProWI

sorry mate, but sanford did not had pace to trouble international bats.

In reply to jcveletta

Sanford was fast spin.

well, at least Sanford will go down in history as the first indigenous player (Carib) to play for the West Indies....

Sort of like our equivalent to Australia's Jason Gillespie (Aborigine).

In reply to anandgb

How many times did Stanford dismiss Tendulkar?

In reply to Larr Pullo
Was he better than shit hong Eldine Baptiste?

Does Sanford still play or has he given up the game.

Wait, full blooded Caribs exist?

In reply to ProWI "couldn't have got me granny out"

In reply to rootsman His figures show dat he was better dan Tino and Powell

In reply to Maispwi
Yea just noticed that. I had a Jamaican friend and she was badly in love with Sandford when she saw him on telly,when he was dropped she used to cuss like hell.

In reply to rootsman handsome fellow ... would prosper in another line of wuk...great decision to "leave" cricket" for which he had little or no talent

In reply to anandgb
U CLEARLY CLUELESS!

Yuh backin' a dead horse like Ramdin but disrespecting Sanford?......steups

In reply to rootsman

Statement like this should be a bannable offence for rank lack of cricket knowledge.

Phew!!!!

The man really bring up one of the best all rounders we ever produced, while talking bout "runs truck" Sandford?

In reply to Tagwa1 Racists comments like those that are seen on this MB daily should be bannable,not a comment like shit hong.Check some of the things that have been said about Ramdin by some people,Baptiste was useless as a bowler and just did not cut it as batsman.Wasn't he from Antigua?

In reply to rootsman

Eldine Baptiste played his role. He wasn't the tearaway strike bowler but he was better than Sanford. If you are a youngster ya will get a pass but if ya over 30 shame on you.

In reply to Tagwa1 How you attribute a run rate of 3.56 at test level runs truck? So what you go call Tino? Or Fidel?

It is interesting dat de bowlers with de exception of Roach dat we say are our best all have taken less than 3 wickets per match and are no better in the runs per over column dan Sanford yet he is castigated. I suppose its a good ting stats does lie.

It just goes to show how easily we write off some players if dey eh have de hype.

In reply to defeyeant Baptiste took 16 test wickets in 10 matches and Runstruck Sanford 30 in 11.

You certainly can't fault a man for believing dat Sanford was the better bowler. Dem lies, damn lies and statistics.

Sanford was regarded lightly ..because at the time he played we were still under the delusion that we were 'supposed' to be producing great tearaway fast bowlers. I thought that the cutrasses we have been receiving from all and sundry would have awakened us to that reality....but sadly...West Indians hard ears more than ever.

In reply to rootsman

What's that got to do with the issue being discussed.

Wesley

In reply to Maispwi Boycott dissed him no selector was willing to select him after

In reply to Cheeks We are still hoping to find some express pace, just listen to some posts whenever a young fast bowler get a couple wickets;85,87 and 88 mph like Rampaul is not good enough,I suppose the same went for Sandford as Cheeks indicated,we are hoping that young Roach can open up the new era for us.

In reply to hewesleyb Nothing really.

In reply to rootsman

Rootsy..the ban talk was a joke..referring to Eldine Baptiste one the best all rounders to play the game. The west Indies played him when he was far over the hill.

Eldine avg 23 with the bat..like Devon and Ganja and took his wickets at 35 runs a piece and still bowled at 2.48 an over. Compare that to Sandford.

Now at FC its a different story. Had west indies played him when he was one of the best allrounder in England that would have been another story.

Still we won all 10 matches in which he played.

In reply to MAISPWI

Sorry Masipwi, 3.56 is a runs truck for a test career and 43.87 per wicket is even worse.

Check two of his contempories.

Cameron Cuffy 2.59 per over and 33.84 per wicket and crack specialist Dillon 3.03 @ 33.57 per wicket.

Plus at the end of his career his balls were actually standing up and say hit me.

Like the Carib/Dottie thing an all that...but he just was not good enough.

Sorry.

Just mention a Dottie, and it can bring out the worst in most of us.

Sanford wasn't that bad, he just came to the fore at a confusing time in Windies cricket.

Heh, we still very confused.

In reply to Tagwa1 I used the words only because I notice that people use quite frequently without people getting upset,I took it for granted that it meant no harm.I am not too sure that he was the best all-rounder in the Caribbean at the time,I would be checking those facts.Anyway I dont like describing players in a derogtary manner as so many do,so I take that back,sorry.

In reply to ProWI
In April 2002, after capturing 41 wickets in an impressive season for Leeward Islands, Adam Sanford made history as the first indigenous Carib to play for West Indies. Born in Dominica, but now living and working as a policeman in Antigua, Sanford went on to play in all five Tests against India, and picked up important wickets at regular intervals without quite winning over his critics. Hardly an express bowler, Sanford is nonetheless rated as "awkward" by Ian Bishop, for his ability to make the odd delivery explode from nowhere. But his lack of pace caused him problems, and against England in 2003-04 he was described by Geoff Boycott as being a medium pacer who " couldn't have got me granny out".

what happened to Sanford is simple: he got dissed by boycott and he didn't have the right friends in the right positions to stand up for him. When you come from where we come from (pick a dot, any dot) you have to be exceptional to have a chance and even then it's still a struggle, whereas if you come from the bigger countries or bim you can be mediocre and still get a look. for us just being good will never be good enough.

And that struggle continues to this day.

In reply to lefty_pace

I am a Bimmer and have time for the likes of Sammy, Shillingford, Devon, Rawle of the current lot as good honest triers with just as much ability as some and more ability than most when talking about the current lot. But really, the history of WIndies cricket tells me that there is a very good reason why the big islands and Bim have produced a greater volume and a better quality cricketer (i.e. Colonial linkages; infrastructure; natural selection; economic factors etc.). I have been around long enough to know that all the current set of WIndies cricketers are ordinary, while still reconising that you have a big log on your back that you need help with. Yes you can name a few that were hard done. But alas, there have been so many good cricketers over the years in Bim and the big islands who have been lost to the WIndies becasue we never had the intellectutal capcity, know-how and money I suppose to create a professional cricket set-up. Now I'm afraid all of us have to be contented to feasting ourselves on the joys of IPL "Cricket". All across the MB people make fun about the demise of Windies Cricket. The real funny thing is that since our demise the cricketing world has been so much the poorer and cricket is truly on its last knees. If however it takes eleven dotties to save us and the game of cricket then you have my support.

In reply to lefty_pace

you guys give too much credit to Boycott and his Granny. He likes comparing his Granny to everyone.

I liked Sandford, he was my dottie homeboy and all, with a compelling story.

But 44 runs a wicket will catch up to anyone, Boycott's Granny notwithstanding.

This is surely not the case of McGarrel, Ramnarine or Robert Samuels, all who were inexplicably hard done.

In reply to Tagwa1

his average alone doesn't tell the full story. it's not that he was expensive; he just didn't get enough wickets. the way some people talk on here you'd think he was going at 8 an over. 3.56 per is what he ended with. Just admit that they treated him unfairly just like the other guys you mentioned.

In reply to mkcharles

MK ever thought about wasting some hours here. we need people as you that come in withy good sense and vision. On second thought, my friend stay away...this is really for unapologetic degenerates like myself.

ok the WI dis him for all the reasons listed above

why Leewards dis him?

In reply to doosra

probably for the same reasons. one day i'll ask him and get the full story.

In reply to Maispwi

Its hard to be worse.

In reply to ProWI

This was in a time when the likes of Wavell Hinds, Dinanath Ramnarine, Neil McGarrell etc were tossed because we thought we could have done better.

Under Dyson we were trying our best to give players enough time to prove themselves before we discard them. I hope that is one aspect of the game we can keep with Gibson.

In reply to lefty_pace

please do