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Gaza. My heart breaks for the Palestinian people. Not only are they suffering so much, but there is almost total worldwide unconcern about their plight.

In reply to Lucian68

Actually there has been protests in Europe, North America and even South Africa, as well as some strong words from South America governments. In Lucia u shud try and organize a demonstration, write government n papers

In reply to Jabari18

I'm in Trinidad at the moment; have been posting comments to any stories about it online.

In reply to Lucian68

The world is more concerned about 2 cars in the garage, a job and beer in the fridge, keep your head down and hope they can't see you and don't come for you.

The world is no different that the members on CC, stuff breaking everywhere, Nigeria, Libya, Iraq, Europe and all these guys care about is what Messi said yesterday. Am I right or am I right_______?

It's a disgrace.

In reply to Lucian68

I'm in Trinidad too. Let me know when and where is the demonstration.

The world is conditioned by the media 2 believe that Israel is the one under attack.

In reply to Lucian68&Disciple

Check u pm

In reply to Lucian68

It is all about Money ; Power & Influence . the Palestinians aint have that so they will always be at the mercy of those who have Money ; Power & Influence .

BTW , the Europeans have a slightly different perception of things in the Middle East than the Americans . The fact that
the people of Palestine do not live in a State , also does not help their case , since there isn't a collective International Forum where they can air their views .

Then there is the fact that millions of Jews died or were in Concentration Camps by Adolf Hitler , to this day still garners sympathy for the people who live in Israel .

In reply to Lucian68

Boss, them people in the middle east is them own enemy and as far as I see, its best outside people stay out. THem people been fighting each other for thousands ah years over that land, and it aint gonna stop. Middle eastern people will always be at war with each other, its the way they are, its hardwired into their DNA. No matter how much they get bomb, those people are not like us, what they believe in, they fight for. A bomb is just another day for them.

In reply to Lucian68

Because they stole their land to get rid of the Jews in Europe.
Dat simple!

It's one of the great land grabs -call it what it is - ethnic cleansing by genocide.

In reply to jen

Problem is that one of the groups involved in this current conflict only recently have come to that region, less than a hundred years ago.

In reply to Lucian68

Maybe if they went about their cause in a peaceful manner they would gain sympathy

One cannot help but associate them with terrorist

In reply to Lucian68

Since you have so much concern for the Palestinians, please tell the terrorists Hamas to stop hiding missiles in the schools of children and in other places where children frequent


This terrorist organisation has no problem dressing up babies and little children in explosive vests. I wonder if you are also concerned about that? Hmmmmmmm...........


Hamas is a bonafide terrorist organisation and hence must be treated like how any other sane person or nation would handle a terrorist organisation who is trying to kill them and who provokes them.

In reply to BatQuake

Right you are

Surprised you are not on the other side

In reply to black

Which side is that?

In reply to BatQuake

Do you also consider Israel a terrorist state ... If not ... Why so?

In reply to black

The Israeli military dropped 100s of leaflets notifying the Palestinians of their impending operation into Gaza to deal with the terrorists of Hamas.

Prang........prang, somebody or a group of somebodies in Palestine apparently decided to let their children out during a war to play on a beach knowing fully well that the Israelis had warned them in advance to stay inside.

In reply to np

Oh hi NP. How was your day?



No Israel is not a terrorist organisation. You must point out to me which nation or which group of people did Israel just get up one morning and say they were going to attack just like that.


Do you consider Hamas to be a terrorist organisation?

Israel as a state was thrust upon the Palestine with help/aid/moneys of the big powers in the late 40s ....
Hence Isreal has terrorized the Palestinians by running them out of their own birth land ....
You don't consider that terrorist ???

Well if you see that as righteous ... I can't talk with you on it .... You have no mercy for .powerless people.

In reply to np

Israel would have no problem integrating these people if they pursued a different strategy

Terrorist can never be trusted

In reply to np

I answered your question. You disagreed with my answer. Oh well......


Now it is only courteous and decent that you would seek to answer a simple question I asked. I just don't know why you dis man can never answer questions that I pose to you.

....smh...............


Here is the question again - Do you consider Hamas to be a terrorist organisation?

In reply to np

They did not run them out

In reply to black

What strategy or strategies ??? Just giving up on their bona fide birth land??? Steeeuuppeesssss???

In reply to black

Israel provides the Palestinains with electricity and other amenities and even offers them work within Israel itself. Many Palestinians when sick are transported to Israeli hospitals for medical treatment.

Many of the Pro-Palestinian posters on this MB apparently do not even know that everyday, 100s of Palestinians enter Israel legitimately to work. They earn a salary from their work in Israel which enables them to take of their families and meet their different needs.


But all you hear from the Pro-Palestinian crowd is "Israel is wicked........Israel is wicked." But you won't hear them say that the terrorists operation in Palestine such as Hamas, Islamic Jihaad and the Al Aqsa Martyrs brigade are wicked.

The Pro-Palestinian crowd will deliberately ignore the generally accepted definition of the term wicked choosing rather to subvert it so that those who are really wicked to the core are branded as liberators of the Palestinians and those who are merely trying to defend themselves against the Palestinian terrorists are branded as wicked.

In reply to np

Here is the question again - Do you consider Hamas to be a terrorist organisation?

In reply to np

How is Israel supposed to protect itself against murderous terrorist?

The propagandists will be proud of some of the responses on this thread...

In reply to black

You see the kind of disingenious people that exist on this planet. So Nicodemus P feels he has the right to ask questions, but whenever questions are posed to him, he choses to disappear conveniently................(although both he and I knows he is right there on the other side of the computer screen).

Mister is just a big joker who specializes in making grand statements of vacuous emptiness.

In reply to BatQuake

Was the anc a terrorist organisation ?

Both of you can read between the lines ... Israel and it's govt is terrorizing the people of Palestine for years now .... Check your histories. Please ... The material is there ...
Not in mood to school folks who don't read ... Except for do the bible (BQ) - not you black ... But the material is there.

I watching National Geographic right now ... A better discussion than this any day.

In reply to Commie

Yes, but they were smart enough to know it was not a winning strategy

In reply to black

you see de movie avatar?

In reply to Renegade

What is the point?

In reply to black

Did u?

In reply to np

National Geographic should teach you how to answer people questions. Phew!!

Sheeple

In reply to black

They are now the government of South Africa.

In reply to BatQuake

Nonsense questions ... Requires no answers .... Phew .... But I did answer ... See my comment about Israel.

In reply to Renegade

Which side are you on sheeple?

In reply to np

Yeah, like dat piece of utter nonsense you asked me earlier about whether Israel is a terrorist state. I still dignified with an answer.

So that question of yours was one of ample sense (according to you), but my question asking you if Hamas is a terrorist organisation is nonsense eh.


Watch your National Geography eh boss. Hopefully, you'll learn something sensible.

In reply to BatQuake

It is a terrorist state ... But you would not know or willingly
Acknowledge that ... Due to your bible thinking bullshit.
I waste much time trying to give you a more worldly view. mi done trying

Hamas is the leading Govt unit in Palestine, fighting hard to save its peeps
and country from being overrun by superpower backed anti-Palestinian forces ... Get it.

I hsve nothing against the Jewish peoples ... But their leaders of long ago went about the process wrong with major help. A wrong can't be righted by wiping folks out Of their birth land.

In reply to np

Hamas is a terrorist state? I take it that you have now found it fit to answer my question without beating around the bush or disappearing.........right?

In reply to BatQuake
I have better to do than look out for yor Qs asshole.
Yuh must be an eediat to rass Claaattt. .... Is Hamas a state?? Well well well ... Yuh not worth a response for that ... Utter fuckery!!!! And anything else you write is going to be viewed in that Iight by me. Henceforth you are a political nymph. Begone you of christ. And yes you can call me a proud blasphemer if such exists.

In reply to np

I am sure you noticed that I asked you whether Hamas is a terrorist organisation. That's the response I am waiting for from you.

But as I have suspected for awhile, you are just a big time joker.........a man who is more apt in answering questions than answering them........and a very rude, boorish and vulgar in speech type of fella on this MB.

Shame on you.

In reply to BatQuake

Then fuck off and don't ask me anything after this if you don't like my answer and method of responding to you or can't handle the truth. Steeeuuppeesssss. Who the fact yuh think you be ...
I could be your daddy boy??? She didn tell you??

Americans Should Rethink Israel Support

In reply to np

Bro...its not worth the time and energy

In reply to BatQuake


imagine you were in the position of a Palestinian.

the Israelis take your water, burn your olive trees, destroy your house, take your job, steal your land, imprison your father, kill your mother, bomb your country, humiliate your people, starve your people and even then you are to blame.


you kick people out of their own house put them in their backyard, don't let them in or out and then the Israelis complain they are being 'oppressed'.
what if you were in that position? would you sit and remain quiet?


and as np said, should Hamas being in power and being responsible for thier people sit back and let these people eat away at their land and continue with their bullcrap?

One thing I admire about Palestinians and Muslims in general, they rather dead on they feet than live on they knees.

In reply to BatQuake

KYS!

In reply to Chrissy

Oh there you are. Up early talking more foolishness again I see.

.....(sigh)..............



Anyways, I trust you had a pleasant night rest Christine. Now go ye forth and have a productive day okay.

What these several decades of Palestinian struggles have proven is that the Gandhiesque way of fighting oppressors is best.

Yuh could be as right as rain but once yuh resort to violent resistance yuh stand a good chance of losing the propaganda war and the type of sympathy that can help your cause.

In reply to JohnDoe

Ghandian effectiveness is a myth propagated by the Brits who still had to hold on to other colonies after losing India.



This whole palestine thing does vex me to talk about.

Hamas was democratically elected by palestine and that skunt Bush immediately supported israel's call for them to disarm...

Imagine that... You telling the democratically elected government of a people they have no right to bear arms.

In reply to black

I am on the side of truth. The same truths that you don't get on CNN, Fox and MSNBC.....

In reply to Lucian68

The western pro Israeli media has done a fantastic job of dehumanizing the Palestinians for many years to the point that they are seen as less of a human being by many.

With the rise of social media a lot more images are making it out to the world and people who did not understand the plight of the Palestinians are slowly realizing the horror that is taking place.

Pay attention to the pro Israelis that post on the MB and this thread and you will notice that most of them are the bible thumping Christians who believe the atrocities that Israel are committing against the Palestinians are pretty much justified since this is the holy land entrusted to the chosen people. So for them, Israel could do no wrong as this all being done in the name of god. Note, this is the same people who sold out Christ for a few pieces of silver and had him murdered.

Of all the Arabs peoples in the Middle East, the Palestinians have shown more bravery and resilience in the wake of years of oppression. A lesser set of people would have folded camp a long time ago.

In reply to JimBob

Very well said

In reply to JimBob

Hence this statement from me last night, thank you for that post...

In reply to np

Ignore that BSC Quake!

He knows not one damned thing about history. Where ignorance is bliss tis folly to be wise.

In reply to Renegade

There you are again using a word/concept that I have doubts as to whether you really know what it means. A few weeks ago, you came out on this MB proclaiming that you are the most honest poster on this MB.

Ofcourse, I was rightly stunned by such a revelation. Seeking to clarify your understanding of the word honest, I presented the following definition from an online source to you for you to indicate whether that's your understanding of the word honest:

Honest - Free of deceit; truthful and sincere:


As soon I had presented the above definition, you bolted like you had seen a ghost. Maybe you did indeed see a ghost..........



So tell me nuh, what do you mean by the word truth?

In reply to JimBob

I think you have to be careful you do not downplay religion as just something the crazies are guided by.

Do not underestimate the influence of judea-christian belief systems on world governments and how this conflict is perceived because even as they diverge on the central characters as you point out, they believe in the overall movie script.

I know very intelligent and reasonable people who seem to go off the deep end in trying to rationalise biblical history and this conflict.

Above all, given that Jewish business interests own most of the worlds media and much of the worlds banking systems, it is pretty much a lockdown.

In reply to Commie

or 'the crusades never ended'. They merely went on pause from 1917 to the 1990s.

In reply to Chrissy

I think jen summed it up brutally.

When I was a student I spent alot of time with some Eritreans who were canvassing for an independent state. I mean I knew nothing about there being states within states in Ethiopia. You dont get taught that stuff in history

I was shocked by the amount of hatred between Ethiopians, and Eritreans and the war between them.

Then you have the total hatred that still exists between Croatia and Serbia. And South Korea and North.

However none of these conflicts have the added fuel of biblical history.

What is salutary is that we must never let religion or political groups so command our countries as to shape viewpoints to hate like this.

In reply to JimBob

Nope the Hamas and other death-loving islamists are the ones dehumanizing its peoples. You do not use your women and children to die so that your propaganda, which you and the majority in this thread have bought into, may gain world sympathy. That is dehumanizing. I have seen what hamas wannabees, like the Jamaat al Muslimeen in T&T, have done to a country. Peace can be had through respect for others not by vowing to wipe them off the face of the earth.
Shalom to you and all other haters.

In reply to JimBob

Well said, nuff respect

In reply to JimBob

Oh and btw, Palestinians live wayyyy better than blacks in muslim countries. Blacks are still called slaves in most muslim countries like Iraq, Saudi and the emirates. You all are soooo naive it aint funny.

In reply to Commie

Despite all of that, the Zionist wouldn't have had any ground to stand on if they were seen mowing down people who refuse to raise a fist.

I don't think the success of Ghandi's way is a myth as ends says. It worked to good effect in the American civil rights movement and in South Africa when the ANC shifted gears.

The only way violence works is if you are truly capable of matching the oppressors military might.

In reply to JohnDoe

The ANC ?

The ANC never changed to a pacifist movement. They were a guerilla movement right up till Mandela was released.

Having denied Mandela most of his productive life behind bars, the Boers simply had no capital left.

In reply to Commie

Even if the ANC didn't officially embrace pacifism, the overwhelming images being beamed around the world was of unarmed black people, kids often, getting mowed down by an intransigent regime and that's when the regime lost the war.

In reply to JohnDoe

There you go.

You dont think there are any such images available to the media from Gaza ? Who controls which images get out there ?

Its a nice theory you have there but the truth is fighting against the Jewish state is a fight against the worlds media.

In reply to JimBob

Anyway here is some news for you. ISIS in Iraq has set a saturday deadline to all christians in Mosul to convert to Islam or die. The truth of the matter is that the majority of you guys do not understand Islam.
Oh would it not be great if you handwringers, who are not muslims, go to a muslim country and try to live peacefully while practicing your faith or nonfaith. Nonfaith is also death sentence.
Oh you naive bunch.

In reply to BatQuake

I told you, and will tell you again... Unless you bring forward EVIDENCE of my dishonesty... I will ignore you... Until then jes STFU, you overbearing bible thumping skunt!!!

In reply to Commie

On the contrary, I do believe that belief system strongly dictates the policies of many governments. So much for the separation of state and church/religion.

I get into the Palestinian discussion with many people who I consider very intelligent, but it never ceases to amaze me how their judea-christian belief systems makes them blind to the crimes being perpetuated against the Palestinians.

Anyone with an ounce of compassion would feel for a people who have been dealing with oppression for quite some time with no end in sight.

Watch the Israelis claim they need to expand a buffer zone, taking more land from Gaza. In the end, they will take it all and the world will sit by and not do a thing because of that same belief system.

In reply to Commie

Spot on Commie. The news out of Gaza, is heavily sanitized and so we the world are not seeing objective reports.

Just look at the two reporters who were reassigned simply for reporting the "truth." Palestinians are learning about the power of media and images though and the more stories that are shared, the better the world gets to see what takes place.

JD's point on the effectiveness of a non-violent movement should not be taken light. I think it be what is required by the Palestinians. I could see some militants changing if they know it could be effective but the radicals who don't want peace will not go for it.

In reply to JimBob

Meanwhile many of those in power, in that state, are perpetrating a fraud in regards to being members of that religion.

Pew Center for Religious Beliefs and Practices

In reply to JimBob

It is sad to see you guys with feigned sense of compassion and your total lack of intellectual honesty vomit out such bilge without an iota of evidence or truth to what you are saying.
I rarely entertain stupidity parading as knowledge, coupled with the usual handwringing to bring over a point biased, not by facts, but by a inward hunger to get agreement and back slaps from fellow ignoramuses.

But that is the world today. Just a bunch of lemmings following each other over a cliff.

In reply to JimBob

Thanks ... nicely put .. but Mi don't think BQ and/or eric will grasp that EVER. Mi lose patience with BQ because all of life for him is DICTATED by the frigging bible!!

In reply to np

Backslap him NP

In reply to np

See what I do is ignore such "jackassery" posts. I would engage in a discussion if I thought it could be intelligent and meaningful. We don't have to agree on everything but when I read some of the posts/responses from the likes of Eric, it is easy to see this one is a Zionist troll.

In reply to Khary9

Boy Khary9, you are opening up a whole new front that will get the Zionistas all foaming at the mouth.

In reply to JimBob

On the agree thing .. that is and should be a given ... and even when we may agree on certain points there is and should be lee-way for some differentiations as the arguments progress.

But if we go off the "so-called given/pre-determined/pre-ordained by the bible path" we are wrong and evil etc etc. and destined to HELL.

Yep -- Khary9 pegged the troll since yesterday!! he flipped and ran for a while - got "juiced" and came back.

In reply to np

It's easy to be pro and anti when you are not the one in certain situations.

It's easy to say Palestinians are evil when, in 70 years, all their earthly possessions taken away and they are herded in a wide open public prison called Gaza. Gaza, the most populated place per square mile on Earth.

It's also easy for one not in shoes of Palestinians to say easiest way to bring peace is for Palestinians to conform and integrate with Israelis.

What befuddles me is when one says that Palestinians bringing this on themselves by hiding behind civilians. Hiding behind civilians? They are in a prison. Gaza is where they live. It's well populated. If they are fighting, they have to fight from Gaza which is in the midst of civilians. It's not like they have a choice where to fight from or where to hide their weapons.

Must say, there were no Hamas Fighters on beach where kids were murdered. Not to mention latest shelling of hospital in a region where Israelis told civilians to relocate to because that would be a safe area.

We all know by now the power Israelis wield. Should not be discounted but at same time eyes should not be blinded. We can say world leaders especially from Europe and West should be more rational but they descendants of "The Crusaders" and Israel can determine their political future. Because of such power, our voices, voices from the common lay-people will never be heard.

With all that, I'm not saying Israel shouldn't defend itself, neither am I saying Palestinians shouldn't fight. Palestinians will always lose for now but there will come a time, a time as Commie pointed out with the ANC. It pains my heart seeing Palestinians suffer just as it did with the South African blacks.

We saw this before with the American Indians. They fought, they lost..to the point of almost being extinct. We can sit and say they shouldn't have fought. They should have just accepted terms and live. Still they fought.

Israelis know the outcome. Palestinians know the outcome. They know the ratio is like 500 Palestinians to one Israeli. Nothing new...been like that from first day they started fighting each other. Still the Palestinians keep fighting, just like the American Indians.

End of day, fighting will go on. End of day, Israel has the control, control in how many innocent civilian lives are lost.

Yes, let the Israelis defend themselves. Fine with me but if I were a Palestinian, I would fight. Fight just like South African blacks under Apartheid, just like the American Indians.

Just a footnote...it's glorified how God took Israelites out of bondage in Egypt...now being glorified how Israelis having Palestinians in bondage. Note...Israelites and Israelis...just using bondage as when shoe on other foot.

In reply to np

Backslapping again. Agreeing to be stupid will not make you any smarter. It may make you feel better.

In reply to eric365

Your non-point is??!!! BTW ... save the speech ...heard it already!! Yuh just disturbed my reading of Lenks' points!!

In reply to JimBob, np

Below postings taken from another thread. It was a bit shocking to me seeing that from Eric.

Jabari stated something which might not be the truth but could just be...tho' no difference either way as innocent civilians are dying and have always been...

Here u go...

Thread

In reply to Lenks

Raskil was being sarcastic.

In reply to JohnDoe

I thought so initially...

But had doubts when I saw his last post...

I will retract...

Post edited...

In reply to Lenks

With the bump, he might have been just trying to goad the troll after it disappeared.

In reply to JohnDoe

Seems that way...

Thanks...

In reply to JohnDoe

I dont suffer fools John Doe...perfect name btw. I say what I have to say and if nothing intelligent is returned, like in your case, I have no further need to discuss. 99% of you have never been to the middle east, nor do not understand the politics of Islam. Until anyone of you can show that you have some inkling of understanding of what is the history, politics, and depravity that takes place in these countries then we can talk.
In the mean time I will just hit you all with the facts and move on.
Oh btw do you know that ISIS have given christians in Iraq until saturday to convert to Islam or die? What about Boko haram or the genocide in the Sudan? You guys are so politically naive it aint funny.
,

In reply to JohnDoe

I wonderede the same re Raskil's comment ... and reread it .. and thought likewise .. sarcasm at best!!

Who de fcuk is this eric365???

In reply to eric365

Boss...what are you trying to say?

What above has to do with Israelis killing innocent civilians?

ISIS and Boko Haram have both taken lashes here.

So all eyes should be turned against ISIS and BORO HARAM...away from Israelis, right?

Seems like you are down with starting up the "Crusades"...

Don't worry, you are not alone. It's playing out right now....blinded eyes.

Hurts when people die...no matter how they die. A life is a life.....but as we can see, innocent lives lost in a plane accepted as mistakenly shot down is no comparison to lives lost deliberately by shelling and bombing populated areas.

No comparison...based on how they die...

I enjoy reading stuff from you guys...stuff like what I highlighted. Mama warned me about people like you...self-proclaimed ones. Mama yet to be wrong.

You educated and intelligent ones are amazing...

BTW, I like your double negative...

In reply to eric365

This is where assholes like you - "an error made over 365 days" ... dont know whe nto give up and dont' make certain statements. You, child, do not know anything about where the peoples here travel, what they do, and their knowledge of world history ... so for you to make that 99% statement you is either a damn CIA agent, FBI or NSA spy ... A "Snowden in the midst".

Get off your high horse with ---
You have not put one bit of FACT on here since yuh trolling that makes any sense ... except to unveil yourself as a troll. So what if yuh know a bit about ISIS - you are just one person among MILLIONS in the world who do know.

And the discussion really was not about ISIS nor muslims nor jews per se ... it was about the rape and pillage and dividing up of Palestine by forces that keep making Palestine smaller and more uncomfortable for its peoples. since the 1940s ... NON-stop.

But yuh so bright yuh haffi flash you headlight!! Well you have been NOTICED!! So ... move on as you suggested.

In reply to Lenks

I am trying to say that the majority of you guys jump on the demonization of Israel without just cause. This is a war triggered by the kidnapping and murder of 3 innocent Israelis. An event that triggered celebrations among the Arabic community. Some misguided Jews responded by killing an innocent Arab. The murderers of the Arab are in prison awaiting trial and should be put away for life for such a heinous crime.
The Arabs are yet to lift a finger bring their murderers to justice but instead gave out candy for such a celebratory occasion.
General Sissi, the President of Egypt brokered a cease fire. Hamas refused. The UN asked for a 5 hr truce from the fighting so that the people can about and get shopping done. Both sides agreed. Hamas started firing rockets within 2 hrs. Israel still waited until the 5 hr period ended.
Hamas closed all the Banks in the Gaza so that their own people would suffer. Hamas put women and children in harms way so that world would sympathize with them.
This thing is not as one-sided as you all believe.i won't get into the religion that is Islam but I can surely get into the politics that determine Islam. Submit or suffer that is the politics of Islam.
Thanks for tone of your reply but I do feel for the Arabs who die. I also feel that Hamas should be charged for their crimes against humanity.

In reply to np

Thanks

In reply to eric365

general sisi, the 'president' of Egypt. why should Hamas agree to a ceasefire brokered by a guy who came to power by coup and displacing a democratically elected leader?

and what about the ground offensive the Israelis started immediately after the ceasefire?

In reply to eric365

Huh?...Ok...



Huh?...Ok...



Ever wondered why?...Same could be said about blacks re OJ Simpson...but ok..



Happened before and let's just say some fortunate and some unfortunate..



Like the sugary coating...but ok...Also, you need to say who the Arabs are. Might be unfortunate but do you actually believe Hamas would imprison one of its soldier for such a crime? We would like to see that but in reality...as it stands between Israel and Hams...would never happen. Wrong or right, just the way it is...for many reasons.



Do you know what was entailed in that deal brokered by Egypt? Yes, it's all over news, sounds like you quoting Israel PM and CNN...but what was entailed? 5 hr was more like to let people evacuate to so-called havens. So Hamas saying 2 hours and Israel saying 5 hours....big deal. They still going to continue. About and get shopping done?...ok...



You stated you know much about region...maybe more than many here, but do you actually believe what you wrote? Actually, I have heard that by others all over media...

I will say this again...GAZA ia a WIDE OPEN PUBLIC PRISON, MOST POPULATED AREA PER SQ MILE ON EARTH. Harms way is every sq foot in Gaza. You drop a bomb or shell on Gaza, chances are will be casualties. Nothing to do with HAMAS apart from GAZA is where Hamas live and where they operate from.



As you all believe? Won't get into that either. You sure about your opinion? Muslims have fought against each other yes...tell me, when last they started a war without some intervention by the west. So ISIS and other militant groups provide corner stone for which Islam is judged?



You wouldn't be a human being if you didn't...BUT WHAT ABOUT ISRAEL AND CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY?

Boss..as I said before, from first day Palestinians and Israelis fighting, it has always been, in terms of death, 500 Palestinians to 1 Israeli...

Not as one-sided as you think...

In reply to Commie

Are you like the poster NP ie one who likes to ask questions but who doesn't answer people's questions when you are asked? Let me know okay.


As far as the ANC goes, I'm not sure as I have never really paid much attention to them. I could always read up and research inorder to come to a conclusion.




My question to you now: Is Hamas a terrorist organisation?

In reply to BatQuake

Which confirms the conclusion that many of us here have arrived at....that you are a certified jackass. You go to great lengths to display your ignorance as a badge of honor.

In reply to Lenks

Allright lenks you seem to have on your blinkers so the hell with the truth so long as it don't fit your world view.
Cant say i didn't try.

In reply to JOJO

And that is BatQuake for you ... it is decent of him though to confess he don't know squat about ANC and obviously did not pay attention to Apartheid.

Demonizing...really?



Misguided Jews..right? More like terrorists, racist scum to me. Read the following taken from the Providence Journal.


Is that similar to the settlers AKA land grabbers who sit on hilltops cheering at every shell or missle that hits Gaza? Taken from the Providence Journal

Such bullshit and you know it. The ground invasion began in the midst of the ceasefire, granted Hamas foolishly did fire rockets during that period.


Jackass, do you know that Israel has suspended tax monies owed to the Palestinians adding to the frustration boiling over?

Crimes against humanity you say? Okay...how about war crimes against Israel for using weapons that are illegal. Oh, wait they would never do such a thing. Right?

In reply to BatQuake

is Hamas a terrorist organisation?

In reply to BatQuake



If some foreigner was to come and kick you out of your own house, knock down the house and build a new one on it and claim ownership, put you in your backyard, corner you day by day , don't let you in or out and you retaliated would you consider yourself a terrorist?


well Hamas being democratically elected have a right to stand up to this bullshit on behalf of their people.

if America was invaded tomorrow and the government and army stood up for their people would they be considered terrorists?

For the Zionists. Watch the video, not that I think it will change your mindset.

Israel Using Flechette Shells

The United States recently went to war on the premise of preventing a country's leader from using such weapons on "their own people." It is bare hypocrisy that the US now does not use the same rationale to fight Israel here.

In reply to eric365

Truth? Can't say you didn't try?

Not surprised you have nothing more to add to what I, along with others, have been saying...seeing that you have just been spitting regurgitated bullshit and propaganda. I feel for you...was hoping you would prove me wrong.

Now, it takes two but why is only Hamas culpable when they are the ones suffering the most from day one?

Why is Israel allowed to drop bombs on other sovereign states without condemnation?

Why are Israelis allowed to go to other countries and openly ASSASSINATE people without condemnation?

Israel been constantly defying "rest of world" with its expansion of Jewish settlements with no repercussions....why?

Why is Israel not labelled a rogue state by having undisclosed Nuclear Weapons?

Why is UN not going into Israel to inspect claims of Nuclear Weapons and other Weapons of Mass Destruction?

Hamas is an elected Government, but why is it ok for Israel to go in and out of Gaza and assassinate Hamas' officials as they like just because they can, just because USA has no relationship with Hamas?

As I said, it takes two so why is Israel building up its armory and others not allowed to do so?

People talk about peace but how can there be peace when everything favours the oppressor?

Why is Israel acting outside of everything stated under Geneva Convention without consequences?

If tomorrow rest of world decides to hold Israel responsible with consequences, that would be the path to peace.

But no...they are the Arabs and western powers are the Crusaders...

Could go on and on...

Boss, if you stepping to me, step good. I laff at "he who knows and knows not"...just as Mama told me to do...

BTW, I see you have a lot to answer to...JimBob, Khary9, np and myself...

I guarantee this is the end of Quakie and Eric...

They have shot their load...prematurely of course.

A little knowledge is a rass of a thing. Makes you feel invincible until you plunge.

In reply to JOJO

........(sigh)..........


Are you having another bad day sir? Did your boss shout at you infront of your fellow coworkers? Is this the reason for your rage?

Aye Eric, boy you see fellas like Lenks, NP, Renegade and this thing called truth, boy dem man seem to have some form of aversion to it.

Unless it is not truth according to them, then it ain't truth at all.



By the way, good points you have made Eric. Don't expect the delusionists and delirious among us (they know themselves) to agree with you. As a matter of fact, if you see CERTAIN people agreeing with you on this MB, then that's a warning sign to check what you have written for potential error.

The truth is not always popular but the truth is always right.

In reply to np

That's one of the differences between you and I. I'm not afraid to answer questions posed to me and if I don't know or I am not sure, I'll say so.

You on the other hand..........(steeuuuuuupes!!!!!......smh)........


However, I do know that Hamas is a terrorist organisation. Go figure...



I was asked a specific question as to whether the ANC was a terrorist organisation. Hence in that context, I would need to do some more research before coming to a conclusion. However based on the subverted doctrines some of y'all are trying to push in this thread, everybody could technically be classified as terrorists. I suppose all murderers in jail are terrorists; those who enslaved the Africans (including the Africans themselves; let's not forget that the black man was the one who started slavery in Africa - the Europeans just exported it across the Atlantic) are terrorists..........

Y'all delusionists really have some haphazard and loose thinking patterns.

In reply to eric365

Well said sir. And your comment that Israel is going no where at all is direct and to the point and as accurate as ever.

In reply to BatQuake

I schooled you on this faulty claim months ago. Apparently, you have not learned so here it is again.

Chattel Slavery was not practiced in Africa and was, therefore, not "exported...across the Atlantic".

Why do you still cling to this thoroughly disproved theory?

In reply to Khary9

I try to avoid learning things which are fraught with err.





....smh..............

For the sake of argument, since you or whoever claim that Chattel(traditional) slavery was not practiced in Africa, could you tell me then what type of non-traditional slavery was practiced in Africa?

And tell me nuh, who introduced chattel slavery to Africa? Try to deny chattel slavery is not still ongoing in Africa in this modern era with the black man enslaving his own brethren.


Brotherman, who you really trying to fool?

In reply to Khary9

You cannot educate someone like quakie. They believe what they want to believe

In reply to np

As far back as in the 70s, when I was a lil boy, I used to get into arguments with Christians telling me that the Israelis, occupiers of Israel, were God's chosen people meaning they were the Israelites.

Christians say people will never enter thru' gates of Heaven without accepting Jesus as their Lord and Saviour. Jews don't...so how are they the chosen ones? Am I missing something here?

Now, Christians stand firmly behind another religious group, the Jews. We see the firm support for the Jews because it could very well be that they were placed in Israel, as pawns, by the Christians/Crusaders to continue the battle. Or could it be that it was meant by God...chosen ones?

If it's the latter, where do Christians stand?

There lies the paradox which engulfs minds of our Caribbean bredrens.

In reply to BatQuake

Quakie u have no idea how ignorant you are sounding. Read a lil history book

In reply to Jabari18

What's wrong if that which I want to believe is the truth?





Oh ok. I guess that's your problem then, not mines. I can't turn something which I have no idea about into a personal problem..........right. That would be so silly of me...





Ummmmmm, which one do you want me to read? Who knows, maybe I have already read that which you might suggest.

I've had the opportunity to be educated in history at a certain level. Go tell Khary9 to wheel and come again......and you should also follow suit.

In reply to BatQuake

Quakie callin chattel slavery traditional slavery proved your ignorance. Your insistence will prove your.........

In reply to Lenks

You got to be kidding me. I mean really, that's the kind of question you are asking man.

Pssssssshhhhhhhhh....smh..................


Seems like the last time you read the Bible was also in the 70s. Throughout the Bible, God clearly points out why the Jews were considered the chosen ones but who rejected Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Saviour.

It was God's plan to use the Jews to spread the plan of salvation to us Gentiles but because of the Jews rejection of him, he had to end up using the Gentiles to now try to spread the plan of salvation to the Jews.


Now I am speaking in a general tense as not every Jew has rejected Christ. However the Jewish system still continues to await the Messiah despite he being among them nearly 2014 years ago.

The Bible says that Jesus came unto his own and his own refused him; where do you think the phrase "a prophet is not accepted or appreciated in his own land" came from.


....smh..................Lenks, please take the dust of your Bible, open it and do some proper research in it okay. The scriptures themselves encourage us to dissect it, study it and learn from it.

In reply to Jabari18

Padner, chattel slavery is also referred to as traditional slavery because in its most rudimentary format, slavery involves the exchange of human beings in a sort of trade as if the human beings were personal property of the one doing the selling or bartering.

Well use your head nah man. You ain't seeing the word CHATTEL?

In reply to BatQuake

Quakie...easy with calling mi name.

For you to be saying Hamas, an elected government, ia a terrorist organization just because others say so shows that yuh full a shit...

For you to endorse sayings such as Hamas hides behind women and children shows that yuh wusserer full a shit...ignorant too good a word.

Back to point #1...What has Hamas done to label them as terrorist...apart from fighting back against people who have abused them and placed them in an open prison? Are you saying Palestinians are terrorists? Palestinians are the ones who elected Hamas.

Point #2...How can Hamas hide behind women and children when the fighters live and fight from Gaza where every sq foot of Gaza is occupied by women and children? The world knows that if a shell or bomb is dropped in Gaza, collateral damage will be women and children.

The argument here is not to defend HAMAS, as it takes two, but also to make sure that Israel is not devoid from being culpable...matter of fact more culpable...as you guys seem to believe they are innocent.

So tek whe yuh full a shit self...come back when you are more armed with knowledge cause until then you just be stinking up the place wid yuh full a shit self...

Guess your ignorance is not limited to ANC but to HAMAS, GAZA and PALESTINIANS as well.

So please, pretty please...don't call mi name.

In reply to BatQuake

Yuh phucking fool...I always tell you reading is fundamental but reading and understanding is a different ballgame...

If yuh could undastan, yuh woulda realize I talking bout the correlation between the the Jews of today, to be more precise, the Israelis and the Israelites in the Bible.

Yes, talking bout what daft Christians perceive Israelis to be...without seeing the contradiction.

As mi say...tek whe yuh rass self...yuh just drowning yuh rass self more and more.

And as mi say...stop calling mi name...have no time today for dumb fulla shit people.

In reply to Renegade
Im in sure shock

Propaganda really does work

In reply to Lenks

.........smh........absolutely disgraceful. Classless; tasteless.

Sanctions and threat of war over 300 on the Malaysian however in a not so news worthy 500 and counting casualties...

In reply to BatQuake

Dats all yuh have to contribute?

Not first yuh see me cussing badwords...

Of course when I'm on my best behaviour, I don't...and I always warn yuh then cause I tend to not use my colourful language to certain folks.

When yuh ready fi thump yuh Bible, nobody can stop you...no matter what.

So you are a Bible Thumper, I'm a badword cusser. You are a grown man, I am a grown man.

So when yuh thump Bible to people who don't like it, it doesn't mek you classless, tasteless, disgraceful...

But when I cuss badwords to you who nuh like it, it mek mi classless, tasteless and disgraceful...

Say it ain't so Quakie...cause if it's so I going tell yuh a few more.

Next time yuh jumping off in di deep end of a pool without life vest and without lifeguard around, prepare fi drown.

And oh Quakie...BTW, mi know mi father...

In reply to Raskil

Amen brother...

Yet one is accepted as a mistake and the other deliberate...

In reply to Lenks

JD and np were right about my post BTW.

In reply to Raskil

Yea...cool.

In reply to Raskil

Keep reminding the BQs of the world sir ... Data don't lie ... But some scoundrels will misuse it for underhanded purposes.

In reply to Lenks

Bro Lenks ... There is now documented evidence on this very MB that this BQ is highly diabolic in his behavior.
I'm not surprised then that he has revealed - finally - his true self as a hater of the Poor and Downtrodden of the world ... while purporting to be the representative of divine salvation.

he, like so many of his ilk, is devious and misleading ... I hope he gets smacked upside the head by one of those tablets of Moses.

In reply to Lenks

Your thought patterns seem to be very scrambled this evening. You trying to compare the preaching of the word of God with the utterance of curse words?

....smh.................sigh






Talk for yourself if you cannot swim. You gonna drown in a pool eh....





Oh okay. That's good to know. I know mine also. Your father need to break one thick quava branch from the guava tree and lash you up with it for your vulgar NP-like speech.

Batquake and eric, if you two honestly believe the crap that you've been spewing on this thread, I pray that you both open up your minds and let some common sense and decency in, lest ye fall into a hell of your own creation.

black, I chose not to group you with those two, because I think you're better than that, but I urge you to look at the facts and reevaluate your position.

From the ground. I don't expect the pro Zionistas and Israelis to feel anything, after reading this.

In reply to chunnie

Here's an interesting saying: "If your mind is too open, your brain will fall out"


Go figure...

In reply to JimBob

And despite this from the writer

... those fellahs will still say he wrote that story with a gun to his head, held by a palestinian child terrorist. I know BatQuake thinking it just now - in his closed brain.

In reply to np

Oh hi NP. How was your night?