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2014-09-02 22:20:50
2014-09-02 22:31:18
In reply to powen001
A pleasant good evening sir. How was the day?
2014-09-02 22:36:10
In reply to BatQuake
lost a good friend so..comforting others as the comforter comforts my wife n I.
got some office politics to deal with but thats also in Gods hands...
struggling to post consistently these days...apart from that..im good. 
2014-09-02 22:37:18
what is Pearson saying here..im not following his line..I missed something I guess.
2014-09-02 22:39:12
talk yuh talk Bishop...put Pearson in his place.
the insularity nonsense really must come to an end.
2014-09-02 22:41:12
In reply to powen001
lost a good friend so..comforting others as the comforter comforts my wife n I.
My sympathies to you. May God continue to bestow his peace on you and family.
got some office politics to deal with but thats also in Gods hands...
Call Owen to deal with dem. Or you can do like Owen.
struggling to post consistently these days...apart from that..im good.
Why you struggling to post? You afraid of somebody here man?
Is it me you are afraid of?
2014-09-02 22:41:42
In reply to powen001
Carol was your friend?
2014-09-02 22:42:40
In reply to powen001
Tell Pybus regional cricket ain't no state cricket or county cricket system.
I say no to franchising the regional tournament. A Bajan ought not to be playing for a Jamaica team and vice versa.........
Utter nonsense to have man from other island playing for other islands.
2014-09-02 22:44:36
In reply to BatQuake
National cricket is of the past
2014-09-02 22:44:54
In reply to powen001
But what trouble is dis boy. Look Doctor Forde supporting dis franchise foolishness.
But what I hearing dere nuh?
Powen, boy is like Doctor Forde gone astray or wha? I hope you not wrongly influencing de man eh Powen....
2014-09-02 22:45:27
In reply to sudden
National cricket is of the past
Which past? The past that is still in the distant future?
2014-09-02 22:48:25
In reply to BatQuake
Ha ha ha
I almost picked up the phone to call in and congratulate Dr Forde!!
Ha ha ha take that BQ!!
2014-09-02 22:49:19
In reply to BatQuake
The past 15-20 years
2014-09-02 22:49:46
In reply to BatQuake
How can you as a ...well..one if those in here subjected to the BS Dottie talk not want to support a franchise which is the fastest way of destroying the insularity that permeates ?
You got me stumped boss
2014-09-02 22:50:09
In reply to sudden
Yes..
Anymore personal questions ?
2014-09-02 22:50:09
In reply to powen001
I am concerned man. How could Doctor Forde stray like dis.
....(sigh)...........
Now you want to call Doctor Forde eh Powen? I thought you said he is clueless....
2014-09-02 22:51:10
In reply to powen001
How that get personal. You real sensitive sometimes
2014-09-02 22:51:35
In reply to BatQuake
He really only strays when he attacks Gayle with nonsense and innuendo. 
2014-09-02 22:51:51
In reply to sudden
You gypsy All the time
2014-09-02 22:53:06
In reply to powen001
Regional cricket derives its interest from inter-island rivalry.
Ain't nothing wrong with healthy rivalry.
So what you going to cheer for now? A team that carries the name Barbados ie a team with 4 Bajans, 3 Jamaicans, 2 Windward fellas and two fellas from the foreign and it is still a Barbados teams with Bajan culture?
This franchise thing is also going to stifle the development of local youth players because they are being pushed out by regional and international foreigners coming into their local island teams.
2014-09-02 22:53:46
In reply to powen001
Ok, I will take that. Well for what it is worth, I extend my condolences to her family and her friends
2014-09-02 22:55:11
In reply to powen001
He really only strays when he attacks Gayle with nonsense and innuendo.
....(sigh)............
Powen, maybe late tonight, I will lay down and ponder on just what is wrong with you okay.
2014-09-02 22:56:04
This woman call in with this stupidness again?
She ent got bible study to go to or something?
2014-09-02 22:58:33
In reply to Larr Pullo
She is bloody correct. Point is decimal which is divided in 10 tenths not sixth
2014-09-02 22:59:15
In reply to Larr Pullo
Dis caller got to hunderstand that meaning has a lot to do with usage.
The referential or descriptive view of language is not adequate to argue dis point.
2014-09-02 22:59:32
In reply to sudden
5 Pounds 3 is not 5.3.....
2014-09-02 23:00:25
In reply to Courtesy
She should not be watching cricket....
2014-09-02 23:01:03
I like how dey handlin de lady. A lot of other shows woulda done "clixxx" she long time.
Mason and dem handle it well gracefully. Good on them.
Respeck yuh elders.
FOIVE
2014-09-02 23:01:15
In reply to Larr Pullo
Was dat cherri?
2014-09-02 23:01:54
In reply to imusic
Agreed...dem show real restraint and patience
2014-09-02 23:01:55
In reply to Narper
Yeah it sound like her....
2014-09-02 23:01:59
In reply to Courtesy
No, the woman is correct. It is like the commentators say he hits 4 boundaries and 2 sixes as though a 6 is not a boundary
2014-09-02 23:02:21
In reply to Larr Pullo
She is hinging her argument only on the coventional (referential) view...like de talawahs argument we had previously here.
2014-09-02 23:02:48
In reply to imusic
I thinnk Mason was taking the piss by putting forward Oram and the doctor as math experts....
2014-09-02 23:03:53
In reply to Larr Pullo
Powen is 5ft 1in. You wouldn't say he is 5.1ft
2014-09-02 23:04:37
In reply to sudden
Each sport has its own unique nomenclature. For eg, if I say Lebron James is a "clutch" shooter (he's not btw) that don't mean he have a gearbox and a shifter!!!
2014-09-02 23:04:56
In reply to sudden
Thanks mate
2014-09-02 23:05:26
In reply to sudden
Powen is 5ft 1in. You wouldn't say he is 5.1ft
5.01 feet actually....
2014-09-02 23:05:36
In reply to Larr Pullo
She's the same woman that cusses Shivnarine blue
2014-09-02 23:05:49
In reply to Larr Pullo
The woman is correct. 5\6 is not .5
2014-09-02 23:06:17
In reply to Larr Pullo
That s a nice one..good ting we met AND you know better..but laugh it up lanky boy
2014-09-02 23:06:39
In reply to sudden
Beg to disagree mate. This system involves six parts (a base of six) instead of the conventional decimal system with a base of ten. It is wrong to equate the 5.5 overs with a base of six to the conventional decimal system.
2014-09-02 23:06:53
In reply to Larr Pullo
5.01ft is still not right
2014-09-02 23:07:32
In reply to sudden
Ha ha ..I can't wait to but up pon you in BIM ...
Wonder what you will do..
2014-09-02 23:07:48
In reply to Courtesy
So don't use decimals then. Decimal denotes 10 ths
2014-09-02 23:08:55
In reply to sudden
Now we can argue whether (5 point 6) equates to 5 decimal 6. It does not.
So as we continue to use a word for a particular meaning it then becomes conventional.
2014-09-02 23:09:15
That guy is right. Integrate the teams. Frig national cricket
2014-09-02 23:10:30
In reply to sudden
In reply to Courtesy
No, the woman is correct. It is like the commentators say he hits 4 boundaries and 2 sixes as though a 6 is not a boundary
No, the woman is correct. It is like the commentators say he hits 4 boundaries and 2 sixes as though a 6 is not a boundary
Historically cricket has had its unique language
Look at field placings...slips ....gully...long leg....short leg...fine leg....point....backward point
We have no ball...dead ball...
If one was to start arguing about the usage of these terms...when will it end?
2014-09-02 23:10:39
In reply to sudden
So if the over is divided in sixths, would 1/6 2/6 3/6 4/6..6/6 work for you decimal purists? Hoever, not that using a POINT works better for TV where on-screen real estate is limited
2014-09-02 23:11:26
In reply to Narper
Umpire would signal dead ball and next thing the match referee call the coronor and undertaker....
2014-09-02 23:13:41
In reply to Courtesy
Decimal Point. A point or dot used to separate the whole number part from the fractional part of a number.
Example: in the number 36.9 the point separates the 36 (the whole number part) from the 9 (the fractional part, which really means 9 tenths).
So 36.9 is 36 and nine tenths.
Example: in the number 36.9 the point separates the 36 (the whole number part) from the 9 (the fractional part, which really means 9 tenths).
So 36.9 is 36 and nine tenths.
2014-09-02 23:16:31
In reply to sudden
This is only in a decimal system. There are other numbering systems with different bases besides the decimal system.
2014-09-02 23:17:51
In reply to Narper
Years ago both 4s and 6s were boundaries. Now creeping is boundaries and 6s. I hate to hear it. It is nonsense. Like batters and batsmen. Both have 7 letters so why say batters.
2014-09-02 23:18:38
In reply to Courtesy
Yes but a point refers to decimal. Use something else then
2014-09-02 23:19:57
In reply to sudden
"Gimme a pepperoni pizza" never existed decades ago. But now everyone understands gimme means give me.
.......
BTW point also refers to the end of a sharp object or a statement to support a proposition. Why are you so restrictive.
2014-09-02 23:20:52
In reply to Larr Pullo
3/6 is a half therefore .5
2014-09-02 23:21:12
Caught the tail end of Bishop. He was lashin hard bout pelters and regional coaches and umpires.
He say de regional coaches and umpires are poor. They need to be better because men peltin doosra and cannot deliver it without pelting.
Coaches need to identify players with issues earlier and umpires need to call them early as well. That way they'll either remedy the action or get out the game.
He mentioned Cooper and somebody else as examples.
2014-09-02 23:22:15
In reply to sudden
516.3 Analytic geometries
516.37 Metric differential geometries
516.375 Finsler Geometry
516.37 Metric differential geometries
516.375 Finsler Geometry
An example of the Dewey Decimal System making liberal use of points, but not on the ten point must basis....
2014-09-02 23:22:32
6.5 means to every cricket fan, six overs and five balls, that nice lady is still saying they will never go to the moon.
She is incorrect, the term .5 is in relation to balls per over, not a tenth.
2014-09-02 23:22:35
In reply to sudden
agree on the use of batters instead of batsmen...
some idiot convinced commentators to start saying Batters...so Americans would understand and assist in marketing the game...
no better marketing of cricket will take place than west indians playing in the parks etc in the USA...long live curry goat...
one day I will get to one of them.
2014-09-02 23:22:51
In reply to imusic
Narine I think
2014-09-02 23:23:00
In reply to imusic
He call both Jordan and Beaton name...
2014-09-02 23:23:46
In reply to sudden
Like batters and batsmen. Both have 7 letters so why say batters.
I am accepting this now
But....why not say bowlsmen instead of bowlers?
Cricket is changing....look at a batsman 40 years ago ( without helmet and arm guards etc...and look at a batsman today...you can wonder....is it the same game dem play
2014-09-02 23:24:49
In reply to Larr Pullo
You ought to pay back Guyana for that scholarship. A tenth relates to 10s, 100s, 1000s and so on
2014-09-02 23:25:02
In reply to Narper
dont make me spit out my drink man..ha ha ha ha ha
2014-09-02 23:25:19
In reply to Narper
Batters came into use when female cricket became more prevalent.
There is a move away from Gender specific pronouns across modern English usage.
2014-09-02 23:25:29
In reply to sudden
Larr got a scholarship????? 
2014-09-02 23:25:55
In reply to sudden
What does DEC mean?
2014-09-02 23:26:00
In reply to Larr Pullo
Yeah...heard Jordan and Cooper. Didn't hear Beaton or Narine but I tuned in late.
2014-09-02 23:26:10
In reply to Narper
As we continue to use a word as a particular reference point it takes on the new meaning and it becomes conventional.
However, I must add, that even the the referential or descriptive view of language is inadequate especially when one is arguing.
2014-09-02 23:26:17
In reply to Larr Pullo
ok..so do women wear ballsguards or vagina protectors?
2014-09-02 23:27:13
In reply to Larr Pullo
In reply to Narper
Umpire would signal dead ball and next thing the match referee call the coronor and undertaker....
De ole lady on air will bring up these thing next
2014-09-02 23:28:08
In reply to sudden
contrary to popular belief I believe Otis did make a contribution.
but as it turns out..the bottom line targets didnt all quite add up...world cup victory or not..
2014-09-02 23:29:04
In reply to Larr Pullo
Serious question....do women batters wear a box ( seed guard ) ?
Pubic bone may need protection
2014-09-02 23:29:36
In reply to powen001
We ALL know that it's not Ottis fault that the team sucks, YET we insist on blaming him, instead of addressing the real problem.
2014-09-02 23:30:08
In reply to Narper
ha ha ha ha Narper...
ok...hand over the bottle ...you in fine comedic form.
2014-09-02 23:30:33
In reply to Narper
I could only imagine that getting plonked in an area that has plentiful nerve endings could be quite painful, so I would hazard a guess and say yes...
2014-09-02 23:31:14
In reply to Narper
Ask Jah Jah
2014-09-02 23:32:12
In reply to Larr Pullo
Gibson is in the results profession.
His team did not get the results.
He's not the first coach to lose his job because of poor results and won't be the last.
2014-09-02 23:32:33
So the question that has to be asked is, whatever happened to the NOC?
2014-09-02 23:33:48
In reply to Larr Pullo
i blamed Otis for the poor relations with the seniors...regardless of who was holdin his chain.
I respected Otis cause several bowlers credited him with helping them...most notable Ravi, Roach..(even tho he had a bumpy start with Otis)
when your bowlers can support you in your specific strong points...no argument from me.
I honestly thought that we would have gotten better returns once the dust settled post HH..
flattered to deceive...Otis proved that local coaches can fail and still do better than the foreign ones.
2014-09-02 23:34:01
In reply to imusic
On pure numbers he had no case for reappointment but he was not fired there was a mutual separation.
2014-09-02 23:34:15
In reply to imusic
That's why we will struggle to find a coach of note going forward. The entire cricketing world knows we persist in not fixing our development structure and expect some poor coach to take these same half assed indisciplined players and turn them into world beaters.
It's not going to happen!!!
2014-09-02 23:35:53
In reply to powen001
I honestly thought that we would have gotten better returns once the dust settled post HH..
When you turn around and bring back the same knuckleheads into the team?
Ottis had his early teams working as a unit, but WIndians dont have patience....
2014-09-02 23:37:50
In reply to Larr Pullo
the structure...the policies..the ignored papers from Patterson et al..Rudi Webster et al...
once those things are sorted ...does it not follow that the new environment would see a change in expectations tween players and management alike?
i think so
2014-09-02 23:38:00
In reply to powen001
Didn't realize you were asking the same question re protection of the lady parts
2014-09-02 23:38:36
In reply to sudden
On pure numbers he had no case for reappointment but he was fired there was a mutual separation.
Fair enough on the mutual separation thing.
Whatever the reason, he is no longer coach. Whether he wasn't willing to stay on or the WICBC decided to move on without him, the team results did not improve during his tenure. Some things improved....fitness...fielding....bowlers took 20 wickets more often....and that's a positive for his tenure.
But results didn't and that's the bottom line.
2014-09-02 23:40:38
In reply to Larr Pullo
That's why we will struggle to find a coach of note going forward. The entire cricketing world knows we persist in not fixing our development structure and expect some poor coach to take these same half assed indisciplined players and turn them into world beaters.
It's not going to happen!!!
It's not going to happen!!!
So.....what's needed to fix our development structure?
In addition, how much success did we have with the disciplined players when the "undisciplined ones" were discarded?
In an ironic twist, our sole tangible success came with the same so called "undisciplined" players.
How do you explain that?
2014-09-02 23:40:41
In reply to Narper
ha ha ha ha ...
thats why I laughed so hard..I assumed you were supporting me in getting Larr..the resident expert in Seeing but not getting any to let us know.
2014-09-02 23:41:30
In reply to imusic
the team results did not improve during his tenure. Some things improved....fitness...fielding....bowlers took 20 wickets more often....and that's a positive for his tenure.
You see the dichotomy of your assertion? That's the same kind of thinking that permeating through WI cricket and is why we are not improving.
2014-09-02 23:41:50
In reply to imusic
same page we are on sir...re Larr.
2014-09-02 23:42:25
In reply to Larr Pullo
You see the dichotomy of your assertion? That's the same kind of thinking that permeating through WI cricket and is why we are not improving.
Dude. He was head coach for 4 years. How much more you want?
2014-09-02 23:42:48
In reply to imusic
In an ironic twist, our sole tangible success came with the same so called "undisciplined" players.
And it didn't take them long to get back to their old ways....
2014-09-02 23:43:22
In reply to imusic
We've been shit for more than two decades now...
2014-09-02 23:44:00
In reply to Larr Pullo
thats Y he and i agree..Otis was not all bad..there was improvement..and theres no need to lie or misdirect on that.
Otis made a difference...but clearly...the relations ...the letters aint no longer HH ..and no more S either it would appear.
pick sense...fix that too..and more locally bred coaches might get a pick...
how do you feel about Gus getting a shot again..or he done with them too?
2014-09-02 23:44:35
In reply to Larr Pullo
That's why we will struggle to find a coach of note going forward. The entire cricketing world knows we persist in not fixing our development structure and expect some poor coach to take these same half assed indisciplined players and turn them into world beaters.
It's not going to happen!!!
It's not going to happen!!!
THEN....the question is.....do we really need a head coach at all?????
Jus appoint a support team for the players...appoint the Lil Willies...we may get better results than we had in the last 4 years...and we will save a hell of a lot of money
Appoint a qualified head coach to then start at the U15 level
2014-09-02 23:45:29
Why Mason promoting Talkcricket.com?
oh .stats people..
mmm...
2014-09-02 23:46:30
In reply to Larr Pullo
And it didn't take them long to get back to their old ways....
So hold on.....they were "disciplined" just for that tournament
And "undisciplined" the remainder of matches?
How simplistic.
How's this for simplistic?
By both of our observations...fitness, bowling, and fielding improved under Gibson yet we actually fell in the Test and ODI rankings in that time.
So the problem must be the batting. If we still lose with improved fitness, bowling and fielding.....then we hired the wrong coach. We should have hired a batting coach....NOT a bowling coach.
The WICBC may have FOINALLY seen the LOIGHT
2014-09-02 23:46:34
In reply to powen001
Gus probably still have a nervous twitch from his last stint....
2014-09-02 23:46:58
In reply to Narper
i am feeling you...stay at home..A
save the bucket load of money..and just maybe somebody from within our own culture will be better at getting some results.
we have men here who can...and I dare say it..maybe a few knowledgeable women too.
2014-09-02 23:47:20
In reply to imusic
ha ha ..nice bajan accent..Itito
2014-09-02 23:47:34
In reply to imusic
They came back and wanted to prove a point. It's T20, and they won.
2014-09-02 23:48:36
In reply to powen001
and just maybe somebody from within our own culture will be better at getting some results.
Where was Ottis from again? Or Bajams are really English indeed?
2014-09-02 23:49:25
In reply to Larr Pullo
They came back and wanted to prove a point. It's T20, and they won.
I see. So they were properly motivated.
Another nail in Gibson's coffin. Because if that's true.....then the RESULTS mean that he's a poor player manager.
Even more reason to replace him with a coach that knows how to properly motivate players.
No?
2014-09-02 23:49:55
In reply to powen001
Maybe dem should bring in Robin Singh...for coaching the ODI side for next world cup...short term contract
2014-09-02 23:51:28
In reply to imusic
Of course. We may have been doing it wrong for a long time then. Before Otis were we winning?
2014-09-02 23:52:07
In reply to Larr Pullo
thats my point lad..
Otis proved that we should stay home..and work our way outward.
I am all for a coach getting his oats warmed with overseas experience...Otis was with England...good creds...but that aside...let our local lads get a shot...
we all know the former players who communicate well and get along with players...so lets not pretend.
start there...Williams from TnT seems to be capable..but I dont know how he stands as far as accreditation is concerned..
If they want to coach..i say let them..get them trained and certified...
I still want to see Corey Collymore in a Bowling Coach Role.
2014-09-02 23:52:45
Right back at ya David Oram!!
2014-09-02 23:53:18
In reply to powen001
.......(gasp)..........Powen, I just hear de man call the name BatQuake on de show along with some other CC.com posters names.
David big up CC.com.........dat's nice.
Did you have a hand in dis Powen?
2014-09-02 23:53:38
In reply to Narper
and Robin has connections galore across the region..so yes..I have no challenge with that being a weight in pickin a coach for us...WINDIES knowledge..experience and knowing the nuances
2014-09-02 23:53:49
In reply to Larr Pullo
Right back at him.
The #1 site on West Indies cricket
2014-09-02 23:53:54
In reply to sudden
Of course. We may have been doing it wrong for a long time then. Before Otis were we winning?
If at 6th you don't succeed....try try again
2014-09-02 23:54:11
In reply to BatQuake
i didn t hear it..sorry.
2014-09-02 23:54:22
In reply to Larr Pullo
He called your name?
2014-09-02 23:54:30
In reply to powen001
I still want to see Corey Collymore in a Bowling Coach Role.
The man who used to do a lot of work with Corey was Vasbert Drakes...but again, once we are sticking with the Gayle's Samuels and players of that mentality, ANY coach they bring in will fail.
2014-09-02 23:54:56
In reply to sudden
Yours too...he said Big Belly Sudden....
2014-09-02 23:55:29
In reply to BatQuake
probably reading us all now.
Mason would have let him know.
2014-09-02 23:55:57
In reply to Larr Pullo
ha ha..How could I forget Vasbert??.
thanks ..
2014-09-02 23:56:11
In reply to Larr Pullo
He would be .5 % right
2014-09-02 23:57:29
In reply to sudden
BTW what was Oram's site called?
2014-09-02 23:57:29
In reply to powen001
start there...Williams from TnT seems to be capable..but I dont know how he stands as far as accreditation is concerned..
If they want to coach..i say let them..get them trained and certified
If they want to coach..i say let them..get them trained and certified
Is this an ICC requirement? I don't think so.
WI have the greats who have performed exceptionally well at the highest level for close to 20 years...why de ass dem need a piece of accreditation coaching paper.
Check who gets that piece of accreditation paper....all mediocre former cricketers
From all reports...Kanhai was an excellent coach...I don't think he has any papers....Malcolm Marshall was an excellent bowling coach...I don't think he had papers
2014-09-02 23:58:01
In reply to sudden
ha ha ha ha
your guts huge..100% accurate.
too much dough son...ease up.
2014-09-02 23:58:37
She is incorrect, the term .5 is in relation to balls per over, not a tenth.
???
openning?
2014-09-02 23:59:17
When you turn around and bring back the same knuckleheads into the team?
Ottis had his early teams working as a unit, but WIndians dont have patience....
Ottis had his early teams working as a unit, but WIndians dont have patience....
The results of the two tours to India bear this out....
2014-09-02 23:59:54
In reply to Narper
Coaching is very technical. There have been greats who didn't possess certs who struggled to get their ideas over to the players.
2014-09-03 00:00:24
In reply to Narper
cause Narps..thats the issue..accreditation is the GATE they use to ensure they maintain.."quality".
read between the lines..
I know many a grad in plumbing and electronics cant touch some oldsters past 60 when it comes to solving problems..and those fellas aint had no formal training..merely apprentices who learned at the feet of elders.
so it go in this millenium..they take away bat an ball if you not showing PAPERS up front.
2014-09-03 00:01:10
In reply to powen001
So name some apprentice coaches nah?
2014-09-03 00:01:23
In reply to Larr Pullo
In reply to Narper
Coaching is very technical. There have been greats who didn't possess certs who struggled to get their ideas over to the players.
Coaching is very technical. There have been greats who didn't possess certs who struggled to get their ideas over to the players.
This is also true for highly qualified certified coaches...Opiss is a classic example
2014-09-03 00:03:23
In reply to Narper
Maybe so....but what if some fella who downloaded a meth recipe off the internet and became a successful meth cooker, and suddenly came along and took your job as a professor?
2014-09-03 00:04:47
In reply to Larr Pullo
AH HAH!!
there are NONE!!
now we getting somewhere Larr..Now we can discuss the where we went wrong in our collective arrogance in believing we will simply churn out Roberts and Holdings and Marshalls ad infinitum...
and the youngster of today ..his belief system aint based on love o country as number one anymore...
so any coach comin in..has to understand the nuances , the mindsets required to communicate with this new west indies cricketer.
options make it easier to cuss your coach and management if money coming in from any and everywhere simply cause you can hit sixes
2014-09-03 00:05:10
In reply to doosra
You ask any fan, what .5 of an over means.
A good math question would, there are six balls in an over, if a bowler bowls .5 balls of an over how many balls has he bowled and what percentage of an over is five balls.
2014-09-03 00:05:47
In reply to Narper
But Ottis had success in the English setup. Why? Maybe his charges had more to work with when they got to his level?
Imagine Gabriel made it all the way up to test cricket and couldn't hold a ball properly to keep the seam upright....I'm sorry, I just cannot blame any WI coach when you see stuff like that day in day out.
2014-09-03 00:05:50
In reply to Larr Pullo
you watching too much Breaking Bad...I know I am
2014-09-03 00:06:46
In reply to Larr Pullo
Maybe so....but what if some fella who downloaded a meth recipe off the internet and became a successful meth cooker, and suddenly came along and took your job as a professor?
apples and oranges.
I am talking about appointing a highly successful international player...whose cricketing skills and stats are known to all....not someone unknown
2014-09-03 00:08:04
Ah wonder how much certification a man like Phil Jackson have
He had to manage "difficult" personalities and motivate players individually.
Gibson was a good bowling coach.
What the WI team apparently needs is a good man manager. Someone who knows their X's and O's...but more crticially, knows how to motivate players individually to get the best out of each one.
We're fond of throwing our players under the bus accusing them of poor attitudes and having issues. And sometimes with good reason.
By the same token....our administrators and coaches have similar issues. The same people give THEM a free pass.
The coach who seemed to me to be most in tune with the players and had the team moving in a fairly positive direction was John Dyson. Alas, he ran afoul of the administration and that was that.
2014-09-03 00:08:42
In reply to powen001
so any coach comin in
Again, it's NOT about the coach!! It's about having a proper development structure so that when they get to the top level they will have more than just a rudimentary knowledge of their craft. As a matter of fact, some of our BEST coaches should be working at the lower levels. Why you think you are seeing so many pelters in our cricket now? No one has the skills or knowledge to correct those deficiencies at the lower levels. Then they take wickets and then we get vexed when they get called aat the top level.
2014-09-03 00:09:12
In reply to imusic
jeeaz man..I was gonna pull a piece out to quote it..but the whole post solid.
thumbs up man!
2014-09-03 00:10:12
In reply to imusic
The coach who seemed to me to be most in tune with the players and had the team moving in a fairly positive direction was John Dyson. Alas, he ran afoul of the administration and that was that.
We're really fcuked!! If the coach don't run afoul of the players he runs afoul of the administration....
2014-09-03 00:10:18
In reply to Larr Pullo
Imagine Gabriel made it all the way up to test cricket and couldn't hold a ball properly to keep the seam upright....I'm sorry, I just cannot blame any WI coach when you see stuff like that day in day out.
Yet...Gibson continued to work with and select him in the final XI
Imagine Devon Smith have proper stance, discipline, attitude, and temperament yet cannot play an off spinner to save his life. But YOU give THAT a pass.
2014-09-03 00:10:25
In reply to Larr Pullo
ok..agreed...
so who gonna bell the cat?
this behemoth called WICB look like it changing or doing self analysis anytime soon?
2014-09-03 00:11:38
In reply to imusic
Ah wonder how much certification a man like Phil Jackson have
He had to manage "difficult" personalities and motivate players individually.
He had to manage "difficult" personalities and motivate players individually.
Phil Jackson had the power to trade or cut the difficult personalities that he couldn't work with. That's what alyuh fail to acknowledge when you're using your misplaced Bball analogies.
2014-09-03 00:13:15
In reply to powen001
that has been said before and rebutted and the poster pivotted to another bit of crap. every wi coach was bad, everyone since Kanhai. ask him what Dyson wrote about the players in his parting report
2014-09-03 00:14:15
In reply to Larr Pullo
Phil Jackson had the power to trade or cut the difficult personalities that he couldn't work with.
Sounds like when Gibson arranged to "cut" Gayle, Sarwan, Chanderpaul etc after the 2011 World Cup.
How did that work out for results?
2014-09-03 00:14:52
In reply to openning
i was wondering about the .5 and a tenth comment
2014-09-03 00:15:24
In reply to imusic
Imagine Deon Smith have proper stance, discipline, attitude, and temperament yet cannot play an off spinner to save his life. But YOU give THAT a pass.
How I GIVE Devon Smith a pass? Wasn't he discarded?
I thought Devon Smith was one of the more talented players we had in a long time, but unfortunately it takes more than talent sometimes, so he was discarded.
And BTW when you're on tour and you have a limited pool of players you have to go with what you have. Beyond that obviously they think Gabriel has a bit of talent and is worth investing in. Gabriels is the cricket equivalent of a 7 footer in Bball, you can't teach height, and you can't teach raw pace. That said, it was glaringly obvious he couldn't grip a ball, which is a failing of the coaches in TT.
2014-09-03 00:15:50
In reply to sudden
It cannot be the coaches alone..
I have often said..( oh snap..I sound like POINT)...
WICB must change before anything happens
2014-09-03 00:15:54
In reply to Larr Pullo
Then they take wickets and then we get vexed when they get called aat the top level.
I am sure Opiss international credibility nose dived when he twice publicly defended pelter Shillingford in recent years
2014-09-03 00:16:27
In reply to sudden
ask him what Dyson wrote about the players in his parting report
I'm very aware of what Dyson wrote about the players.
Doesn't make it any less evident that the players generally appeared to respond to his methods more than any other coach before or since.
Dyson's "crime" was that he wasn't willing to have his coaching reputation impugned while the WICBC played politics with the WIPA by omitting their best players.
2014-09-03 00:17:57
In reply to Narper
I am happy that he stood up for his player. It should have been the WICB like the Lankan board and the Pak boards stand up for theirs. In the deficit of leadership Ottis filled the void.
2014-09-03 00:18:09
In reply to imusic
ta dah!!
you played the WIPA card...now the responses will be blurred and sullied
2014-09-03 00:18:09
In reply to Larr Pullo
That said, it was glaringly obvious he couldn't grip a ball, which is a failing of the coaches in TT.
You shiftin all over de place.
Fuss was all bout the players fault
Now is coaches?
Mek up u mind
2014-09-03 00:20:44
In reply to imusic
if that was the case (check his win /loss record) Dyson must be highly commended. He got Wi players to respond where Kanhai, Marshall etc could not. I bet if he was retained we would have been world beaters
2014-09-03 00:24:36
In reply to sudden
honestly..I think Marshall and Kanhai s deep rooted experienced counted for nothing for the lads they were trying to reach...culture had changed ...dramatically by our standards..
spend some time around some 20 sintings...and you would be shocked by some of their belief systems and ..well..cant call them principles..motivators..
most are very very short sighted and negative..its sad really...
How can you go in talking about back in the day when I would bowl 25 overs on the trot...
man a hand goes up in the room in 2 minutes to ask..How much money you make for all that work boss?
2014-09-03 00:26:07
In reply to imusic
Some of your senior players have to buy-in to what you want to accomplish, Phil had MJ and then Shaq, it took some time for a few stars to buy into his teaching.
Most West Indian coaches will fail, they just don't have the power in selection, or having smart stars who look at team and winning, like MJ did.
2014-09-03 00:26:35
In reply to powen001
man a hand goes up in the room in 2 minutes to ask..How much money you make for all that work boss?
2014-09-03 00:28:29
In reply to sudden
No need to act like a spoilt child. With all due apologies to spoilt children everywhere.
His won loss record was impacted by being saddled with 2 scab teams against Bangladesh at home and at the ICC Trophy.
2014-09-03 00:29:38
In reply to powen001
Does that happen in the other test playing countries?
2014-09-03 00:29:47
In reply to powen001
man a hand goes up in the room in 2 minutes to ask..How much money you make for all that work boss?
Ent?
Man Managers needed. We seriously lack them.
2014-09-03 00:30:21
In reply to imusic
Wuh loss muh big belly. Murda
2014-09-03 00:32:20
In reply to sudden
Does that happen in the other test playing countries?
Very salient question....
2014-09-03 01:09:45
Good thing WIPA has had its balls cut.
Cricket playing without strikes.
Thanks to Hilaire. Founder of WIPMACOL
2014-09-03 01:19:50
In reply to powen001
Why Mason promoting Talkcricket.com?
oh .stats people..
mmm...
oh .stats people..
mmm...
Is this the latest rival/competitor to CC.com? Hopefully that one would have profanity censoring software installed on it.
2014-09-03 01:22:56
In reply to imusic
Man Managers needed. We seriously lack them.
What's that? A new more politically correct term for babysitters for children who are trapped in adult bodies?
What next all you go ask for? For Bedtime StoryReaders to travel with the team?
And all you does wonder why de team so soft and appear as a bunch of cry babies in the face of adversity eh..........
"Man managers"..,,,,,,
Steeuuuuuuuuppppppppppssssssssssss!!!!
Real foolishness abounds in dis so-called age of 'enlightenment'.
2014-09-03 01:43:32
In reply to Commie
Thanks to Hilaire. Founder of WIPMACOL
when u have some time please explain that thing, one more time
never got it
2014-09-03 11:58:18
In reply to doosra
For your information...excerpts from a previous post from Courtesy on this blog
...I can now confirm that Dr. Ernest Hilaire, CEO of the WICB did help Dinas set up WIPMACOL - the player image rights holding company which is owned by a company called WIPA Holdings. I am reliably informed that Dr. Hilaire recommended to Dinas a lawyer from Saint Lucia to undertake the registration of the new company. The two gentlemen in question also had discussions on the way forward for WIPMACOL.
The tete a tete also sort to establish working guidelines for the new company. For example:
If WIPMACOL found engagements for players in their own right, WIPMACOL gets 100% which is shared with players.
If using WICB images and rights, WICB would get a share.
If WICB found engagements using its images WIPMACOL gets a share.
If player images are used, WIPMACOL gets a bigger share.
These arrangements attempted to put in place a mutually beneficial relationship and in that way WICB and WIPA/WIPMACOL could "share the take...".
The tete a tete also sort to establish working guidelines for the new company. For example:
If WIPMACOL found engagements for players in their own right, WIPMACOL gets 100% which is shared with players.
If using WICB images and rights, WICB would get a share.
If WICB found engagements using its images WIPMACOL gets a share.
If player images are used, WIPMACOL gets a bigger share.
These arrangements attempted to put in place a mutually beneficial relationship and in that way WICB and WIPA/WIPMACOL could "share the take...".
This act saved the players' pesos from WIPA and guaranteed that the WICB got a share of the spoils with regard to image rights.
WIPA was then an "agollou grande phalle..." it saw and sought to take every pesos crossing its path.
BTW, has WIPA HOLDINGS been registered in Trinidad and Tobago yet? The last time I checked it was not registered.
.....
Dr. Hilaire's actions as CEO of the WICB to tame the beast through the courts are well documented and require no special explanation here. The new MOU/CBA will make life so much easier for the WICB.
Cameron and Hinds can now afford beaming smiles.
2014-09-03 12:33:14
In reply to Courtesy... now with life much easier will they (WICB) foster sustainable player development?
You sure you not Hitlaire?
2014-09-03 13:11:16
In reply to Courtesy
Beg to disagree mate. This system involves six parts (a base of six) instead of the conventional decimal system with a base of ten. It is wrong to equate the 5.5 overs with a base of six to the conventional decimal system.
Wouldn't a base of 6 use: 0,1,2,3,4,5
2014-09-03 13:56:22
In reply to Larr Pullo
They came back and wanted to prove a point. It's T20, and they won.
Who are the "they" to whom you refer? I only recall Gayle being sidelined (mostly his own doing by delaying his apology for statements in the KLAS interview) and coming back into the T20 team.
2014-09-03 14:51:39
Dere really have some pretend cricketers on dis bored.
Imagine Gabriel made it all the way up to test cricket and couldn't hold a ball properly to keep the seam upright....I'm sorry, I just cannot blame any WI coach when you see stuff like that day in day out.
Wen you see dese kinda statements you have to wonder.
Obviously if a bowler holds a ball cross seam he is not interested in bowling wid an upright seam.
Even with the traditional way of gripping the ball to bowl seam, and dat is just a recommended way, the wrist and arm position during release are the things dat will determine whether the seam remains upright or not. Movement of the fingers across the seam at release will also cause wobbling of the seam.
2014-09-03 15:08:15
In reply to Maispwi
If you're bowling variations every ball maybe you'll hold it cross seam. The bottom line is that all his mechanics were poor, and there he was playing test cricket, and the test cricket coach is supposed to fix all his deficiencies.
2014-09-03 17:25:05
In reply to Maispwi
You probably missed it during that series, but after the "wobbly" seam position was highlighted by the tv commentators during one of the NZ matches there was later mention by Bish that the WI coaching staff was working with Gabriel on bowling with an upright seam.
2014-09-03 18:06:01
In reply to openning 5 balls is not .5 of an over, it is incorrect maths.
5 ball in decimal form is .833.
.5 of over is 3 balls
2014-09-03 18:09:59
In reply to Baje 5.5 overs is 5 overs 3 balls period
2014-09-03 19:01:03
In reply to tc1.. who said it was maths ... its cricketh.
2014-09-03 22:26:29
In reply to tc1
Dude, .5 is five balls, you are not in a class room.
BTW, it is .5 over, which is written by every scorer, every fan knows the meaning of it, so the lady is wrong, when talking about cricket and overs.
2014-09-03 22:38:50
In reply to Baje
Wouldn't a base of 6 use: 0,1,2,3,4,5
...And a base of ten : O,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9.
Further, as openning hinted, the usage determines the meaning.
The usage of 2.1, 2.2, 2.3 overs etc, is now acceptable and official through usage...language evolves and will continue to evolve. This should not be any dilemna.
Like we know now gimme = give me. Gimme is only recent isn't it?...
...like Jamaican talawahs.
2014-09-03 23:41:39
In reply to openning
correct opening.
Colin Deane if he were alive would have called in and shut her up.
2014-09-03 23:51:04
In reply to powen001
Despite what my mate Courtesy says with respect to usage Maths is not like English- malleable. Whilst methods of calculation may change, 2+2 still equals 4 and not 22. A decimal refers to tenths and no gyrations can change that. So 2.5 overs is 2 and a half overs. If I say Powen is 5.11ft tall how would you read that
2014-09-03 23:59:21
In reply to sudden
joker.
language has indeed evolved...but havent we always accepted that 2.5 is one more ball to go in the third over?
I was trying to figure out why we wracking our brains over this when italways was like this.
this is the same lady that cusses Chanderpaul ad nauseum you know.
but ..context context context always matters
2014-09-04 00:34:39
In reply to sudden
Mate, how would you represent one (1) ball in a base 6 numerical system?
You should be able to represent one ball in a base 6 system shouldn't you?
BTW, the point in this base-6 system will not be called a decimal point.
It will be called a heximal point.
2014-09-04 00:46:04
In reply to Courtesy
Of course. What is wrong with saying 2 balls left in the over or 2 overs and 2 ball gone? Why 2.2 overs instead of 2 overs and 2 balls which is almost the same amount of words and more flowing?
2014-09-04 00:48:25
In reply to sudden
someone earlier in the thread highlighted the language that is unique to cricket-
fine leg , silly , long leg,, off side,,gully etc.
If one accepts this..then the discussion is fluff...
now if they answer the question bout introducing the term Batters...we can chat.
2014-09-04 00:51:32
In reply to sudden
I want to represent one (1) in heximal form like your decimal form.
2014-09-04 15:14:31
In reply to Courtesy... sorry (Gimme and Tallawah)... both been around for ages.
2014-09-04 16:04:06
In reply to natty_forever
Talking bout Tallawah(s) natty.
There was extensive debate on this here. Some folks were firm in the belief that this word should never take the plural form.
2014-09-04 16:13:20
In reply to Courtesy... well being a Yaad word ... it can do anything it wants. Jus means is more than one a them.
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