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It is quite evident that WIPA is no longer...

 
Courtesy 2014-09-18 15:43:05 

...opposing the WICB on any critical issue which had strangled West Indies cricket over the last ten years.

From what I am hearing, WIPA has agreed to all what WICB had been proposing during the H&H era, including items that went to arbitration and for which there were strikes in the past.

- WIPAMACOL is gone from the table; WIPA had always argued that WIPAMACOL owned the rights of the players and therefore must be involved in any discussion and decision on players' rights. (I have reported on this extensively here in the past).

- No more US$35k a day. Players had been given US$35k/day which was shared among the squad. You will recall that a strike was called by WIPA over this issue.

In the days of internecine war, the WICB paid USD35K/day for home series for commercial activities and USD14k for away tours. From 2009, WIPA contended that the Board pay USD35k for both home and away or else strike.

WIPA has now given this up, which means that players will earn less especially if they are not on contract. The Board has agreed instead to give the Players an increase in Retainer and Match Fees but this increase is not enough to cover the shortfall. So even if WIPA was wrong on the basis of why the USD35k had to be paid, should the players earnings be reduced?

- Scheduling is now in accordance with what WICB had always been saying. WICB had failed to win an arbitration when Judge Jairam ruled in a judgement against the Board and awarded a huge amount. WICB had appealed. I learnt today that WICB did win the appeal although I never heard this in the media.

- WIPA has also given up on the right to be part of deciding who gets retainer contracts. Something Dinas always insisted was necessary.

Oh how things have changed.

 
Larr Pullo 2014-09-18 15:44:45 

In reply to Courtesy

Wavell join de boys....I miss Dinas....never thought I'd say that.....
smile smile smile

 
Courtesy 2014-09-18 15:45:38 

In reply to Larr Pullo

Oh what a sell out.

 
runout 2014-09-18 15:47:17 

In reply to Larr Pullo
You will say the same about Shiv too.... lol lol lol

 
Lenks 2014-09-18 16:22:59 

In reply to Courtesy

I think there is more to it...

I think players will "get paid"...

Just have to wait and see. To me, more of mutual "exit strategies" for IPLers. Handling of IPLers is biggest problem.

 
Courtesy 2014-09-18 16:24:51 

In reply to Lenks

...Handling of IPLers is biggest problem.


Lloydie say you cannot have the IPLers in and out of the team at will. He wants a stable team.

So we know where the WICB is going with this.

 
Lenks 2014-09-18 16:35:19 

In reply to Courtesy

There u go go...so WIPA has to come on board to make things mutual...create mutual exit strategy between WICB and players.

 
WestDem 2014-09-18 16:35:37 

In reply to Courtesy

No wonder Joshua very quiet these days....I hope a WIPAExpose.com is somewhere around!!!

 
Courtesy 2014-09-18 16:39:04 

In reply to WestDem

Joshua was getting his info about WIPA from Ram and Wincric.

Tings doh run from T&T anymore.

It appears that Wavell and de dread have concluded that Joshdoestalkalot.com


lol lol lol

 
WestDem 2014-09-18 16:42:20 

In reply to Courtesy lol lol lol

Suh dat count 13 to 0 in de WIPA favor soon be level? Wavell is not also chairman of selectors for JCB?

 
Lenks 2014-09-18 16:44:05 

In reply to Courtesy

Leave josh alone...

Man did come with some good info at times.

Chrissy say him now wukking...him don't have time for all that sleuthing.

big grin big grin

 
Courtesy 2014-09-18 16:44:36 

In reply to WestDem

They have lost two since. The big one - mother of them all - MOU/CBA is worth 11 of the tiny ones.

big grin

 
sudden 2014-09-18 16:44:55 

In reply to Courtesy

Wow. Buh lookuh how far WIPA has fallen

 
Admin 2014-09-18 16:45:17 

In reply to Courtesy

WIPA died when Ramnarine was ousted.

_r

 
sudden 2014-09-18 16:45:45 

In reply to Courtesy

They won the skirmishes but lost the battle

 
Courtesy 2014-09-18 16:47:00 

In reply to Admin

WIPA died when Ramnarine was ousted.


We haven't agreed on something in a long time.

I hate to agree with you.

 
sudden 2014-09-18 16:47:08 

In reply to Admin

Rams used to brag that he better than the lawyers until the MOU/ CBA matter was heard

 
WestDem 2014-09-18 16:47:56 

In reply to Courtesy

The big one - mother of them all - MOU/CBA is worth 11 of the tiny ones.


No complaints from the players?

 
Courtesy 2014-09-18 16:48:33 

In reply to sudden

They won the skirmishes but lost the battle


Indeed, indeed.

I will reveal more on the "before and after WIPA" when I can find the time.

 
Courtesy 2014-09-18 16:50:03 

In reply to WestDem

No complaints from the players?


Only a matter of time. Professional cricket will need professional representation.

Exclusivity with regard to WIPA being the sole player representative will soon be a thing of the past.

Plans are afoot to register another players' rep.

 
WestDem 2014-09-18 16:51:19 

In reply to Courtesy

I hope the players vote his arse out and ask Dina to return!!!

 
TheTrail 2014-09-18 16:52:46 

In reply to Larr Pullo


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In reply to Courtesy

Wavell join de boys....I miss Dinas....never thought I'd say that.....


Yeah, it used to be no-nonsense coming from him whenever the WICB crosses the line.

Wavell is a lame duck - unlike Ramnarine, he will tow the line with his Jamaican Cameron...

Wavell was never a guy who would stand up and fight...case in point...Marlon Black in Aus at the bar.

The Silver fox probably having a hard time with her labour first movement now that Wavell is in cahoots with lemonade stand Cameron.

 
sudden 2014-09-18 16:52:48 

In reply to WestDem

You should try for the job

 
Courtesy 2014-09-18 16:55:07 

In reply to TheTrail

...The Silver fox probably having a hard time with her labour first movement now that Wavell is in cahoots with lemonade stand Cameron.

But she will see no evil speak no evil.

 
Larr Pullo 2014-09-18 17:00:34 

In reply to Admin

WIPA died when Ramnarine was ousted.


Mout open 'tory jump out....tell me more.... lol lol lol lol

 
Courtesy 2014-09-18 17:02:31 

In reply to Larr Pullo

Boy Larr you're sharp. I noticed it but wasn't sure whether it was a trap. So I steered clear.

big grin

 
BatQuake 2014-09-18 17:02:46 

In reply to Admin

WIPA died when Ramnarine was ousted.

Ousted? shock shock


I thought Ramnarine left on his own free will.

 
sudden 2014-09-18 17:04:26 

In reply to BatQuake

If admin said he was ousted he was ousted. Stand by for the full story from admin

 
newdread 2014-09-18 17:11:57 

What a misinformed lot....

 
Courtesy 2014-09-18 17:12:58 

In reply to newdread

What a misinformed lot....


Set the records straight. I dare you.

 
Commie 2014-09-18 17:13:25 

In reply to newdread

Breds...I will check you soon enough. I am going to be in Yard.

 
newdread 2014-09-18 17:15:41 

In reply to Courtesy

Set the records straight. I dare you.


You have always been such a childish sort.....

 
BatQuake 2014-09-18 17:16:42 

In reply to sudden

If admin said he was ousted he was ousted. Stand by for the full story from admin

Indeed. Hence the reason I often refer to this admin as the Admin called R..., the Snowden-like wonder.

 
Courtesy 2014-09-18 17:16:52 

In reply to newdread

Refute anything that I have written in the lead post...anything.

 
BatQuake 2014-09-18 17:17:43 

In reply to Courtesy

Is this newdread (the you know who)?

 
Admin 2014-09-18 17:19:11 

In reply to Courtesy

Refute anything that I have written in the lead post...anything.


http://i.imgur.com/STGIV.gif

_r

 
BatQuake 2014-09-18 17:20:35 

In reply to Admin

lol lol lol..........whoooshhhh Admin called R..., the Snowden-like wonder.

 
Courtesy 2014-09-18 17:20:42 

In reply to BatQuake

No...this is not the Softhead.

He is of CPL fame but used to be in the know about WIPA matters.

 
Courtesy 2014-09-18 17:21:48 

In reply to Admin

lol lol lol

Ah waiting.

 
Courtesy 2014-09-18 17:30:51 

Ah still waiting.

Dread, I will be off for a few hours...leaving in the next 15 minutes.

You can always post. I will deal with any issue when I return.

 
Larr Pullo 2014-09-18 17:42:52 

Bachanal..... lol lol lol lol lol

 
newdread 2014-09-18 17:55:29 

In reply to Courtesy

Let's just say that your "facts" aren't 100% factual, leave it at that, and let you continue to revel in your role as the MB "insider".....

History will record which set of administrators was able to get a new agreement signed - which I will assume was actually the goal of the previous set....although you would never have thought so based on their approach toward the players.

The bottom line is that a new agreement has been signed which holds both the players and the board accountable - which can only be a good thing.

That it has happened without the accustomed hullabaloo may not be good for the warring factions on cc.com....but must be good for what is left of West Indies cricket.

 
Walco 2014-09-18 18:06:32 

In reply to Admin

WIPA died when Ramnarine was ousted.


I beg to differ. WIPA died when the old MOU/CBA was ousted. It's hard to win a gun fight when the other guy shooting live ammo and you shooting blanks.

 
Andy99 2014-09-18 18:11:47 

WIPA has been totally useless since Rams left.

 
natty_forever 2014-09-18 18:12:43 

In reply to Andy99... please explain?

 
newdread 2014-09-18 19:18:34 

In reply to natty_forever

For many cc.com posters WIPA's usefulness is directly related to the level of bacchannal associated with its relationship with the WICB.

 
Lenks 2014-09-18 19:20:28 

In reply to newdread

The bottom line is that a new agreement has been signed which holds both the players and the board accountable - which can only be a good thing.


Mutual I say...going forward.

Soon to be tested.

 
BatQuake 2014-09-18 19:21:03 

In reply to Lenks

Lenks?

 
Andy99 2014-09-18 19:22:01 

In reply to natty_forever

Would Ramnarine sit back and allow CCC to be kicked out?
If he was still there, I doubt they(WICB) would've even had the balls to ban Narine.

 
Lenks 2014-09-18 19:34:24 

In reply to BatQuake

Yes, it's me...not done with you and that Corinthians verse...just don't have time.

 
BatQuake 2014-09-18 19:40:18 

In reply to Lenks

Yes, it's me...not done with you and that Corinthians verse...just don't have time.


You haven't got the time eh. But you have time to dedicate silly rastaman song to me in de backroom eh.

I go deal with you.

 
hitforsix 2014-09-18 21:06:51 

In reply to newdread

Newdread, ignore the attention seekers.

lol

Hope to be in the yard Monday. Will try and link you

 
Courtesy 2014-09-18 22:03:13 

In reply to newdread

Let's just say that your "facts" aren't 100% factual, leave it at that,...


OK Dread, a good compromise would be I am 99.9999999% correct. I missed out a letter somewhere.

Dis done.

 
Larr Pullo 2014-09-19 09:21:48 

In reply to newdread

For many cc.com posters WIPA's usefulness is directly related to the level of bacchannal associated with its relationship with the WICB.


That's why y'all ousted Dinas? Alyuh got tired of the bacchanal? smile smile smile

 
Discourse 2014-09-19 09:51:18 

In reply to Walco

I beg to differ. WIPA died when the old MOU/CBA was ousted. It's hard to win a gun fight when the other guy shooting live ammo and you shooting blanks.

Seconded

 
carl0002 2014-09-19 10:01:31 

Dinas quit when he realized the old MOU really was not intended to go on for infinity.

 
Walco 2014-09-19 10:33:09 

In reply to Courtesy

Were you really expecting the old pirate to refute anything you said? He usually surfaces with vague pronouncements or conclusory statements, only to disappear when pressed for specifics.

 
Courtesy 2014-09-19 10:35:40 

In reply to Walco

No. My record here in revealing and exposing such matters is impeccable.

Many have tried and failed to refute such revelations.


big grin

 
Headley 2014-09-19 15:18:12 

When Courtesy, Larr and Sudden start complaining that WIPA is not representing the players with enough vigour and is agreeing too frequently with the WICB, it reminds me of the Republicans in Florida complaining that Obamacare is failing to meet all its objectives.

Oh what a tangled web we weave, in our effort to deceive. lol lol lol

 
natty_forever 2014-09-19 15:21:39 

In reply to Courtesy... so is this a bad thing?