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It these same cricketers who want the WICB to return to its previous payment structure with them.

Their course of action was to do something which now leaves the WICB in a financially precarious position. I want to know what and where will the WICB earn sufficient money to pay them since it is India tours that are deemed to be most profitable to any nation hosting them.



When you see you have silly troublemakers, these are the kind of things that happen. They should have been purged from the team a long time ago.


These bunch of West Indian cricketers are selfish, greedy and MUST now be punished by the WICB.

In reply to BatQuake

Spoken like a true 'Massa'. No blame to the WICBandits who present their workers with a contract after they are on tour and at the last minute. No blame to the WICBandits who continue to mismanage our cricket. Yeah. Just blame the workers.

In reply to bobby



Sometimes it is best to accept a bad situation, rather than make it worst. Which is what this strike has done.

I am all for the players being paid what they are "worth" and I am not saying the WICB is not at fault, but to take a course of action without any thought to potential consequences is down right foolish.

And it the players did forsee this situation - then as we all know, all they care about is MONEY!!

In reply to laynew

dude those were drastic cuts ,not a 5% give back,WICB should anticipate some push back by the players and be prepared to pay the old rate until matter is settled.

In reply to camos

Guess what's the cut now??????

In reply to ThinEdge

which party lost more, the players or WICB?

In reply to laynew



Did Dave not tell de players that he only talking to WIPA and will ONLY mediate the dispute according to the current MOU?

Why did the WICB had a standby team ready to fly to india in anticipation of the work stoppage? We are where we are now ONLY because BCCI refused the WICB replacement team.

Dave flew all the way to Dubai to meet with the BCCI while HIS team is playing in INDIA. What does that tell you?

Ho would you feel if your boss come to you and tell you that you are actually worth 75% less than your current earning and you don't even deserve the advertising money you are currently getting?

In reply to camos



Not saying they were not drastic cuts. And look, it's hard on anyone to take such a pay cut and if the players didn't agree to this - then I am with them 100% on this.

All I am saying is there is a time and a place for everything - in a middle of a high profile series with the power house of cricket is not the time or place.

In reply to camos

Oh I see, so that's what these players were up to. To see how hardest they could have hurt West Indies cricket.


After all, they don't care. They are mulch-millionaires. So to catch a rat, just burn down the entire house...

In reply to ThinEdge

I am all for the cuts if the WICB adminsitrators also have the smae cut because of mismanagement... Everyone had a part to it but if the Players are the ones that has to always sacrifice and be sensible why are Experienced and Senior people hired at WICB.

There is a Player relations representative in WICB... Dont understand what she does anyway... If only he has a tiny bit of personnel management exposure in any organisation she should have said salary reduction in whichever way dosent work... Particularly when there is no explanation it will never never work.

In reply to WestDem


See my response to Camos.

BTW if the payers were being paid on a performance related basis - they would be lucky to get 5% of their package

Foget the replacement team - that was an empty gesture

In reply to WestDem

Pushing more propaganda eh. Did the 75% pay cut relate to these cricketers entire earnings from the WICB or doesn't it relate to a financial side perk that these guys were getting?


Didn't the same WICB raise the financial value of the retainer contracts that these guys are on? Didn't the same WICB also raise the per match fee that these players will be paid?


So which 75% pay cut you talking about? All you fellas must stop distorting the truth to push all you anti-WICB at all costs agenda.

In reply to BatQuake

Who is entrusted to run WI Cricket? If they dont care an iota, why are you expecting young atheletes to care?

Afterall from a fans perspective it would have been better if cricket continued but at what cost?

In reply to laynew



They can put them on performance basis if they want, it would not change change a thing with de adminstration....Would the WICB adminstration also be paid on performance basis?

How about the sponsors start negotiating performance based payment with the WICB? Fans star paying after they watched games and so on?

In reply to camos

With the BCCI now suspending bilateral tours with the West Indies and resultant financial losses that could well follow, tell these greedy cricketers to still bawl for the old rate nuh. After all, money grows on trees and apparently, the WICB has a farm of such trees (possibly in your backyard).

In reply to BatQuake



Is people with the kinda thinking like you that have West Indies cricket where it is today....its always de odda people fault!

Look at de number yuh skunt and do some math!

In reply to WestDem

I will blame the people who need to be blamed. And the people who have to be blamed for this situation are the greedy, cricketers on that West Indies team. The truth is the truth.

This could be called a perfect screw up, where everyone involved could be blamed for what has transpired, but most of the blame could be put on the WICB for not cementing fiscal matters before the tour started.

When a player on this CURRENT team takes home $75.000 less, tell me how he is going to smile and say, no problem........he may grimmace, he may grim, but he certainly will not smile......everyody got an opinion on the matter, but does anybody really know what is happening.......like the man says in his song.....everybody knows, but nobody really knows............but yuh know what, push the greedy players under the bus, all the while the bus driver and conductor gine home wid them pay in tact plus wuh dey gine get under the table.....but the old people used to say.....if greedy wait, hot will cool, the interpretations are going to vary, but what else is new..........

In reply to cherri



Yes but you don't blow up the bus before you reach home!!!!

In reply to cherri

Well Said!!!

What difference NOW who lost more...players or WICB? The consequences are catastrophic- West Indies Cricket bit the hand that feeds it. Love it or hate it - BCCI is who finances world cricket!!!!

Boycotting a tour and pulling out mid tour are two very different scenerios.

To BCCI/ICC/The Rest of the cricketing world they don't give a fook about why the players/WICB stormed out like spoiled brats!!!!

And spoiled brats they are - while making a boat load of money more than their predecessors Windies have diligently secured the rankings in the bottom half for the last 2 decades.

This issue should have been sorted out before or after the tour - NOT in the middle of it.....

The World stage has been thirsty for West Indian cricket that's competitive ...but we continue to find new ways of being absolute a$$es.

Should the most dire of consequences play out - where will West Indies Cricket end up as a result of this tour abandonment?????

Does anyone here really believe that world cricket is holding it's breath to see if West Indies can solve it's internal issues?

As a die hard fan of West Indies Cricket this is truly disappointing from ALL involved - players, WIPA WICB

In reply to ThinEdge



Well said. Everyone pointing the finger and blaming each other - when the only ones who lost is us.

I particulsrly like your comment about World Cricket not holding it's breath. I have said it before, but we have now become obsolete - surplus to requirements

In reply to laynew

This to me is the biggest thing that people miss. It is not the adversity that killed the cow; it is the ax.

The players were "robbed". So the solution was to do what exactly? Blow up the entire system. So EVERYONE loses.

The correct course of action was to finish out the India series and go straight to the table. With an upcoming SA series show your cards off the bat - no series without renegotiation. The Players strapped a bomb on and blew everyone up.

So now where are we at? I hope none of you negotiate like that in real life.

In reply to nick2020

Wrong! The correct action was for Cameron, Murhead, Wavel et al to get on a plane or skype and communicate with the players, instead of taking a might is right approach. Even before that the correct approach would have been to email the players the terms and conditions of the MOU when it was signed. And even before that the correct approach was to consult with those who would have been most affected before agreeing to this. And even before that the correct approach was to have enough common sense to know that no one would want their pay reduced by 75%.

In reply to Jabari18



If after the reaction of the BCCI and the world press you still believe that the players should not have finished the series - then serves us right. We deserve all we get.

In reply to Jabari18

At the end they are still going to have to go to the table so whats the sense of this trip, which incidentally was intended to have the WICB unilaterally declare that it would negotiate with a few players and make WIPA 'invalid'. That is something the WICB would never do.

This whole thing is about oneupmanship.

In reply to Jabari18

Is it WICB's responsibility to e-mail the players the MOU? If so what is the point of WIPA?

In reply to Jabari18

Is it WICB's responsibility to e-mail the players the MOU? If so what is the point of WIPA?

In reply to ThinEdge



Forget the MOU...Thats all on Wavell, he should have made sure that all players especially the ones whose salary was gonna be affected significantly.

Shouldn't the WICB have the tour contracts signed before the India tour started? How did the players receive them in India?

In reply to laynew

Where did I say the players should NOT have finished the series? Don't put words in my mouth

In reply to Commie

Operation successful patient dead

In reply to ThinEdge

Where did I say it was the WICB's responsibility?

And you know why they did what they did.

On 1 hand they got an ex union executive trying to weasel his way back as the union head, as the puppet master that got Bravo on a chain.

The Players and their union head could have easily worked out a solution to continue the series, while they work out a process to get their stuff back on track at an appropriate time. If not for a puppet master writing letters and releasing them to the public (reminiscent of a former regime) the union and their players could have worked on a process to unravel the mess.

If not for third party agitation the union and their players could and should have worked together to start fixing the situation and continue the series.

Second. IPL contracts by Bravo and others. They feel they can always act above the interest of WI cricket and it's team cuz they got their IPL money. If their only source of income was WICB u would see the difference. And BCCI complicit in assisting in the abandonment of its own series by by declaring IPL contracts safe. The most they should have said was no comment, that this has nothing to do with IPL.

Perceived conflict of interest aside, the only reason why we are where we are today is as a result of 1 ex union executive trying to make his way back into the fold. Since u cant fire the union head on spot, the only way to achieve a solution was to work within the confines of their association. That could mean removing Wavel et al.

I don't know why Bravo as a player would want to set the precedent of asking the WICB to usurp the union at this stage. U know what that would to the players association down the road?

In reply to BatQuake Can please take a minute to evaluate this objectively? Are you Emmanuel Nanton or a relative by any chance?

In reply to Jabari18

That was the mission of the person advising the players on tour.

You have to break it up to be able to pick up the pieces. I actually understand that and in his position it is his perogative.

In reply to camos

why do you keep missing the point?

the wicb told them to get rid of wipa, they said no, wipa is our rep.

now you want the board to negotiate with the players and not wipa?

In reply to Jabari18


The correct action was for Cameron, Murhead, Wavel et al to get on a plane or skype and communicate with the players, instead of taking a might is right approach. Even before that the correct approach would have been to email the players the terms and conditions of the MOU when it was signed

In reply to ThinEdge

Did I say that it was WICBs responsibility to email the players?

In reply to nick2020

Did WICB say that they will be coming to the table to discuss the MOU? No. Had they said complete the series and come back we will look at the MOU what you say would have been right.

If WICB under a perilous state said that they will go by the new MOU and can only mediate the differences between WIPA & Players but not the MOU what else would you expect when the tour is done and WICB has got their Coffers full?

In reply to carl0002

I'm quite suspicious of the BCCI's stance in this saga. It is trying to punish the WICB board whilst leaving the one's who actually caused the strike and tour abandonment to go personally untouched. This is madness.


The delusional should remember that the WICB was not the one who appeared out of the blue and called off the tour. It was the players who did so.


And even when the WICB was interested in sending a replacement team, the BCCI said no. How can the BCCI tell the WICB who and who not to end and then decide to press charges against the WICB for abandoning the series. The WICB I feel has a strong legal case against the BCCI.

The BCCI is displaying double-standards.

In reply to Jabari18

Ok I took a lil liberties on your post....

But to clarify....who was supposed to represent the MOU to the players?

In reply to BatQuake

Why would BCCI have any dealings with the players directly? They do business with WICB

Why everyone keeps harping at the players making more money than their predecessors? Athletes from all types of sports making more money than their predecessors. Does that mean that they can't be upset at payment cuts? As someone said earlier BQ, you sounding like you have massa mentality.
I have a suggestion: Ask for a pay cut to match what you would've made in the 70's.
Times have changed. Salaries have grown, and so have expenses. Everyone is to blame for this Fiasco.But like Pacy said, WICB is managing the product and had they communicated to the players the desire to even discuss this after the tour, sighting the possible ramifications of abandoning mid tour, it would've been the players that everyone would've been rightfully crucifying.
I got no horse in this race. Just a further depressed fan.

In reply to Cardiac

True speak ....

Even further depressed fan

[b]In reply to Wally-1[/b

where did I say that bro?

In reply to Cardiac


You aint got no horse but you got it right
I do not respond to people who harp on the players' pay etc.
Those who do so on this MB are probably the ones who do not deserve what they are making in their own existence; most likely some are also at the WI trough if not envious people by nature.
So I DISREGARD .

In reply to ThinEdge

Wavel as discussed in the WIPA meeting

In reply to Cardiac

In reply to Cardiac

Wait nuh, wasn't a WICB delegation along with Wavell Hinds scheduled to arrive in India around the 20th to discuss with the players the situation with the goal of working it out.


But no, these greedy, selfish players could not wait for the WICB delegation and Wavell Hinds to get to India to discuss the issue. They decided to terminate the strike. This has all the writings of a certain troublemaker behind the scenes who is up to his foolish military style tactics with the WICB.



Uncleboy, no matter how all you try to spin it, the greedy, self-serving, selfish cricketers in the West Indies have to take the full brunt of the blame for what has happened here. It did not have to get to this stage where the WICB now is in an even more financially precarious position now that India has claimed that it suspending bilateral tours with the West Indies.

In reply to BatQuake
Actually if WICB was savvy they would not be too perturbed by BCCI's sabre rattling cuz the evidence can show that while WICB was trying their best to keep the series going, BCCI actually interfered and influenced it otherwise. WICB can counter sue for the meddling also suing for the cancellation of future revenues as a result of BCCI announcement this morning.

In reply to camos

indirectly comrade, inherent in your prose.

In reply to carl0002

Once the court not in India

In reply to Mustwin

Let me reiterate again that I want to have absolutely no association or anything to do with the word objective on this side of the MB. The word objective has been contaminated by its association with certain people on this MB and as such, I wish not to be to be associated with the word objective on this MB.

I prefer to say that I am consistent with my positions on this matter and I focus on the unadulterated truth.








First of all, I am he whom ye doth not know.


P.S. - Why didn't you ask me if I was (uummmmmmm) Dave Cameron? After all, one or two posters have in the past said that I am Ernest Hilaire.

It has also been said by some that I am an agent of the WICB planted on this MB.

In reply to carl0002

I totally agree.

In reply to BatQuake Dude, the power lies with the players. Why do you think BCCI did not ban their IPL paticipation. For a large part, West Indians make IPL. Sports tourism is the way to go. Call the players greedy as much as you like. I want to hear more about players and less about the board.

In reply to Mustwin

Well if the power lies with the players, then why is the BCCI specifically going after the WICB?

In reply to BatQuake Why do bullies go after the weak?

In reply to Mustwin

Oh I see. So that's what it is........as I suspected. The BCCI is just looking for a scapegoat in the matter but is afraid to go after those who really ought to be punished with no IPL contracts.


Oh how long for the day when dat wretched IPL is no more.

In reply to Jabari18

Several things went wrong Jabari.

Like I said, if you feel the players are justified by potentially ending the existence of cricket in the West Indies I have one piece of advice for you

Do not follow that example in your life.

And just to make thing ends and the means and the justification clear.

You work for me for $1.00
The contract was changed to .25c against your wishes
You walk off the job

I fold and you out of work. How much you getting pay now?

In reply to cherri

And the BEST and ONLY thing that that player and his friends could do is to take an action which now threatens to seriously impact the financial earnings their employer will make............the same financial earnings that the employer has to use to pay them the $75,000 or whatever they demanding.

....smh...............


No wonder these cricketers cannot do better on the international scene. They're not smart. Simple.

In reply to BatQuake

Yuh do realize yuh answer yuh question, right?

In reply to WestDem

Uuuummmmmmmmm...............

In reply to nick2020


What about yuh walk off de job to one dat pay de same $1.00?

In reply to laynew

I am all for the players being paid what they are "worth"
these guys would not be paid. They are practically at the bottom of the table, and losing games, against better teams, in threee days. Pay them what they are worth? come on.

In reply to WestDem

Show me that option for the cricketers.

In reply to BatQuake

.

Who `terminated` the tour?

In reply to Cleg

In reply to dwinston

You speak as one who is wise and who sides with the truth. I am offering you membership to the Brotherhood for Truth on this MB.

Confirm your acceptance.

In reply to BatQuake

This is your mantra.

You should realize though that H&H were enablers is creating these so called greedy cricketers.

They were the ones who gave Bravo, Pollard free reign to leave various squad for IPL. Then they later forced Gayle out. Of course it worked well for them because that left Sammy with the kind of freedom that he needed to lead their team.

Just keeping it real.

In reply to Cuter

You see Cuter everyone going to first claim it wasn't them who broke the window.

Players had to be begged to play the series.
Players had to be begged to play the 4th ODI.

Yet people want to believe the players ain't abandon the tour.

Backroom dis thread please!!!! If ah laugh a crap!!!!

In reply to nick2020

Where did I say the players were justified?

I take issue with people ignoring the nonesense that wipa n wicb do and the steps they could have taken to prevent this problem.

Regarding the pay cut I would prefer to stay home or even take a job for 10c than work for people that obviously do not value me

In reply to archangel

All you that were the enablers. When H&H tried to stamp out the various manifestations of GREED and selfishness in the team, y'all were in 'tumultuous' uproar against H&H.

In reply to BatQuake

oh..you back here now..to do what?

run DAMAGE control after the info come out just now??

good luck with that man.

In reply to powen001

Damage control?


Selfish and GREEDY players should be damaged out of the team and then will proper control be established.

Which info that just come where nuh?

In reply to BatQuake

When I post the program...you will hear for yourself...an the truth shall set you free!!

In reply to powen001

I think I have been set free long time ago by the truth. Most noted, in 2009, I saw the truth and became less anti-WICB.


Once upon a time, I used to have a more anti-WICB stance especially in the days when Lara and Gayle were captain. But as I said in 2009, my eyes were opened to the truth as far as certain happenings in West Indies cricket and the truth set me free.

In reply to Commie

Not saying they going to win


For the most part its posturing. But if BCCI going to rake you over the coals, might as well put some fire underneath them.

In reply to BatQuake
You know what really gets me, these players are living off the success of the West Indies great history. Really can Zim, or Bang or Ireland players demand and get what these players earn. No, cause de West Indian team is really a #8 team, with a bunch of mediocre players and a couple of decent T20 players. It is the name WEST INDIES that really gives them the advantage they have, not recent performance. They are a bunch of greedy guys who without cricket would likely be low down the earning tables of life. They have now destroyed the one thing that could elevate them or those that would follow.

In reply to powen001

You think that old crazy bat wants to hear the truth ?
He only wants to hear what he wants to hear

In reply to emrmike

Indeed.



We have an ODI captain who after playing a 164 matches can only average 25.36; but ofcourse, you'll see this "Go Gyal Go" flashy boy somewhere in some music video prancing around in some bright pink shirt.

Dwayne Smith after playing 95 games can only average 18.32(so much so that one a recent commentary stint in India, the commentators were shocked to the extent that they were even wondering if the stats graphic was wrong....lol;

Kieron Pollard (what he still doing in a West Indies team is a mystery) after 94 ODIs can only average 25.20. A few years ago, on a tour to New Zealand, Tony Cozier while on commentary during a Windies tour down there actually did something humorous by apologizing to Pollard's family for displaying his horrendous batting average on the graphic batsman stats display when he came out to bat. At that time, his average was worse than it is now.


But is dem fellas that is the stars for the West Indies that want all kind of money. I hear a certain person on the Mason show say that dem is the ones who in the sun; what sun dat.........(the longest time dem fellas in the sun is when the Windies fielding not when they batting because they apparently fraid sun and don't like to bat consistently long).



And since I'll be asked about Sammy, Darren Sammy can only average 23.68 with the bat after 115 matches. But ofcourse, the delusional claim he cyah play cricket so I suppose the 23.68 is an achievement for him. It's just weird that folks what him off the team when his average is pretty similar to the players they tout as the stars.

In reply to djdrastic

And The BatQuake wants to hear the truth.

In reply to BatQuake

How could you?

Did you listen to the recording...especially the last 20 minutes or so?

aight then.