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The raw numbers
Admin
2014-10-22 17:13:45
US$5,750 = What cricketers will earn per Test under WIPA’s new agreement;
US$18,460 = What WI cricketers earned per Test under the old WIPA agreement;
US$683,581 = What the WICB will take from its players for this series; and what the cricketers want to recover.
Source.
If that's not grounds for taking a stand, nothing is. Michael Hall and Wavell Hinds really should be ashamed of themselves. The absence of immediate resignations is startling.
_ryan
BeatDball
2014-10-22 17:17:47
Rassssssssssssssssssssssss! Can anybloody say, 'well, dem bwoys lost income will be supplemented by the various 20/20 leagues'??????
np
2014-10-22 17:25:11
In reply to Admin
BIG GROUNDS ... that WICB take is overly luscious compared to diff between 5.7K and 18.4K .... Dave C messed up when he/WICB refused to even seh to the players ... "Leh mi and unnuh talk serious when dis tour done ... Seen" ...
and that could have been done via a CONFERENCE CALL with players - WIBC would have shown they understand ... and I'm sure it would at least put the players at some relative ease.
Even that basic commitment to a CHAT would have saved this tour. It would mean your'e committed to talking, the games would go on... yuh not committing to changes per se at that time (even as changes would have to be made because of the kind of player status created)..
Dan_De_Lyan
2014-10-22 17:25:38
In reply to Admin
$18,460 = What WI cricketers earned per Test under the old WIPA agreement;
did you factor the retainer contract amount in that amount?
Courtesy
2014-10-22 17:27:14
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
Why should he?
camos
2014-10-22 17:29:18
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
no!
Admin
2014-10-22 17:31:56
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
did you factor the retainer contract amount in that amount?
Nope, not necessary. Just as I didn't factor retainer contracts into the old amount.
_r
Dan_De_Lyan
2014-10-22 17:31:59
In reply to Courtesy
thought the amount look high for a test.
I saw a figure in the past that looks like 5k US per test.
Retainer was seperate
Narper
2014-10-22 17:33:04
Hinds focused on the fact that match fees rose from US$5,000 (TT$31,600) to US$5,750 (TT$36,300) for Tests. But he did not say the sponsorship money they lost was worth US$13,460 (TT$85,000) for each five day Test match.
No wonder even BCCI is in the players'camp
camos
2014-10-22 17:33:19
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
5 plus 2000+/day from sponsors.
Courtesy
2014-10-22 17:35:15
In reply to Admin
De dread said, "you are not entirely correct."
camos
2014-10-22 17:36:45
In reply to Courtesy
why de dread using surrogate?
Dan_De_Lyan
2014-10-22 17:37:36
In reply to Admin
Saw you source...something smells there.
I will wait for a correction on that amount
Hinds bends the truth; WI players could lose US$52,000 each per series
Courtesy
2014-10-22 17:38:28
In reply to camos
Cause he has Chikv.
Commie
2014-10-22 17:39:57
In reply to Admin
The discussion at the bottom of the article is more interesting.
Some involved people in the mix.
And again...the public dont care. Millionaires vs billionaires.
Outside of the retainer which is tax free and the ipl and other t20 leagues the players are making 30k us tax free per series, which in the main they will lose.
People be like...so what.
Nemesis
2014-10-22 17:43:16
The players and their propaganda arm in full action.
Dan_De_Lyan
2014-10-22 17:45:41
In reply to Admin
The players clearly believe they have been hoodwinked, something Cameron felt was the case when a more militant WIPA sprung a deal of its own a few years previously. On Oct 8 this year, a clearly happy Denesh Ramdin, the team’s wicketkeeper-batsman, tweeted that a 15 per cent pay increase had been negotiated across all three formats (the Test fee rising from $5,000 to $5,750). Fewer than 10 days later Ramdin’s tweets were about the relief of going home after the most stressful time of his life.
link
that is the old number I am familiar with
US$18,460??
Courtesy
2014-10-22 17:52:54
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
Are you prepared to have this article as a separate thread?
Dan_De_Lyan
2014-10-22 17:56:01
In reply to Courtesy
Are you prepared to have this article as a separate thread?
go ahead start it...me soon come
sudden
2014-10-22 17:59:48
what should be included there is the amount going to the first class players
smuggler
2014-10-22 18:03:04
In reply to Courtesy
These figures are definitely wrong. I know that for a fact.
It's also interested how Ryan phrased that statement re:the amount of money the WICB take from the players.
billydred
2014-10-22 18:07:15
Question, did the retainers go up 15%? Are all players on retainer picked for tours?
billydred
2014-10-22 18:07:24
Am I to understand that Bcci would rather lose $65m than give Wicb another $1m to pay the players at the old rate?
Admin
2014-10-22 18:08:49
In reply to smuggler
These figures are definitely wrong. I know that for a fact.
So correct them. Go ahead, I've got time.
_r
nick2020
2014-10-22 18:10:43
In reply to smuggler
re:the amount of money the WICB take from the players.
Unfortunate reality is the administrators are seen as parasites living off the talent of the players who do the actual work.
nick2020
2014-10-22 18:11:15
In reply to Admin
So correct them. Go ahead, I've got time.
If he was willing to he would have.
Admin
2014-10-22 18:11:49
In reply to nick2020
If he could, he would have.
Fixed that for you.
_r
Headley
2014-10-22 18:18:09
Cricinfo has the only attempt to divulge real numbers.
I posted the information from Cricinfo 4-5 days ago but at the time peeps were more interested to discuss the state of DJB's and Wavell's mind.
I noted then that Cricinfo was showing two areas in which the players gained and two areas in which the players lost. I sought clarification of two areas of loss since I did not know enough to understand and quantify the numbers.
It is good that the discussion has finally found its way to the numbers AT LAST.
hubert
2014-10-22 18:20:21
Larr had the best take on this when he said ,to paraphrase, if the players are footing the bills who needs the WICB ?
nick2020
2014-10-22 18:20:23
In reply to Admin
point taken.
steveo
2014-10-22 18:26:14
In reply to Admin
Why is the ODI team striking for Test issues?
I am guessing there is a lot more to this than those numbers.
Disciple
2014-10-22 18:29:03
The US$18,460 comprised match fees and sponsorship fees.Match fees were $5,000.
Sponsorship fee was $35,000 for the team per day, or $175,000 per 5 day test match. That $175,000 would then be split equally among the 13 man squad, meaning each got $13,460 to add to the match fee of $5,000.
The new MOU effectively took away the $13,460 and gave the players back $750.
Can't believe Hinds agreed to that. Madness.
matchstick
2014-10-22 18:51:25
In reply to steveo
Why is the ODI team striking for Test issues?
Once they abandoned the ODI series BCCI did not want any of it...
matchstick
2014-10-22 18:53:33
In reply to Admin
I am on the players' side as far as them getting paid similar to other players from international boards. Or at least the international average...
$18k per test is a standard pay for test players?
Gupta
2014-10-22 19:09:35
I also read that Cameron/WICB wanted only the 11 players in a match to get the "match fees". No match fee for the 3 players on the tour who didn't play in the match. 
BeatDball
2014-10-22 19:18:20
In reply to matchstick Can always use the incentive of a modicum raise as WI climb the scale in international rankings!
Baje
2014-10-22 19:57:33
In reply to matchstick
$18k per test is a standard pay for test players?
Is this a question?
black
2014-10-22 20:07:25
In reply to Admin
US$5,750 = What cricketers will earn per Test under WIPA’s new agreement;
US$18,460 = What WI cricketers earned per Test under the old WIPA agreement;
US$683,581 = What the WICB will take from its players for this series; and what the cricketers want to
Wow!!! That is slavery
unitsypher
2014-10-22 20:42:54
In reply to np
Even that basic commitment to a CHAT would have saved this tour. It would mean your'e committed to talking, the games would go on... yuh not committing to changes per se at that time
This is what I can't understand, its as if the WICB called the players bluff and it back fired.
Issue is now everyone is paying for it, players, board and west indies cricket on a whole.
summergon
2014-10-22 22:03:14
This doesn't look correct. I wanna see a good source. An analysis from a reputable audit firm. They are too many different explanation for the reduction in earnings. I have figured out Pollards because he has lost his retainer contract.
carl0002
2014-10-22 22:46:50
In reply to Commie
Millionaires vs billionaires.
You keep saying dat but who are the billionaires in this scenario.
cricketmygame
2014-10-22 23:17:12
In reply to Admin
WICB make a million a day per cricket vs india and dem fcukers could make this happen
what a bunch of fools
anandgb
2014-10-22 23:48:22
In reply to cricketmygame
LOL
jamgirl
2014-10-23 00:25:23
Holy cow. I been away from WI cricket for so long and the shit still hitting the fan.
I thought Hilaire and Hunte were the problem.
What happening with the new people?
Anyways ya'll enjoy the carcass that is West Indies cricket. I'm out
ponderiver
2014-10-23 00:47:55
In reply to jamgirl
oh fugg Boom !!!!
Pacy
2014-10-23 02:14:51
In reply to jamgirl
Not much has changed in your absence (Really?).
WICB is continuing as usual with their agenda and the only major difference is that WIPA which was representing Players earlier is now representing WICB.
But for WIPA's change of colour everything else remains same.
StumpCam
2014-10-23 08:21:24
In reply to jamgirl
What happening with the new people?
They are busy implementing their Patty Shop managerial experience !
BTW Admin, how much of the WICB US$680K goes towards tour expenses, or is that amount after expenses?
