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With all goodwill stripped away it is difficult to see how West Indies will be forgiven unless Cameron resigns forthwith, removing himself before the stain on the region’s reputation becomes immoveable.

Fuzzy de Courtesy gets some help from "The Telegraph" of London.

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....and so did ProWI

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Thanks bro. The traffic is so thick, I missed this.

CCdotcom stocks will soon be floated on the New York Stock Exchange.

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They should cut out the cancer before it becomes metastatic, to save the body they may have to chop a limb.

Bump.

Mr. Prez, now that you have bought some time with your press release, you are nursing the best port again.

Dat ting far from finish boss. Do the honourable thing and set a precedence and RESIGN in the best interest of West Indies cricket.

Your inaction in communicating with the players when they really needed to just talk Mr. Prez, was always going to lead to irreversible harm to West Indies cricket.

You cyan seeit boss.

Anyway, de players tell me to tell you your days are numbered.

You will pay for what I believe is your arrogance.

Relentless.

St lucia moon rising.

The hunter has turned into the hunted.

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All de players needed was a little talk from the WICB after having many sleepless nights in a foreign country and the WICB turned their backs on them.

Shame on the WICB.

I will be relentless. This is not the President's private business and even then he should not behave this way.

I will be unrelenting in the pursuit of meaningful change in the WICB.

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So will Sammy and his agent
So will Bravo and his advisor.

Hilaire and Ramnarine locked in union fighting a common foe....and Ingrid.

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been reading your posts since this issue has arisen and while many make sense, I can't help but wonder if a lot of it is driven by some sort of "revenge" factor for Hunte not being re-elected?

Your stance re: WICBC has certainly taken a 180

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Brother you are entitled to your belief.

Another sane man may view it as support for the players and not necessarily hatred for the WICB.

After all, this WICB team has been in office for quite a while now and before now, I have never criticized Cameron.

I reported the plight of the cricketers on September 18, 2014...yes September 18, and even a WIPA official dismissed me then.

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I "hearing" you.

Call me skeptical (or whatever) if you like. But I never previously got the sense that you "support the players"....certainly not over the board.

Anyway, was just making an observation. Respeck.

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Bro..and I know your source is impeccable and as unrelenting as you are.

My stance is when voler and voler fight noone can call police

There are lots of proxy battles being fought here. And payback has its place at that table.

You may be one of the only ones representing yourself.

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Have you ever seen a post from me dissing players like you diss Paint, Marlon and Shiv.

Never, ever. And I will never do it. You know why, I understand the history and the cricketing environment.

When it comes to the players I take the high ground.

When they achieve something noteworthy I support...as recently as this week, when I saw Shiv training like an OX for the regional tournament.

When all you fackers were on top of Chris Gayle when he was going thru his bad patch, Lenks and myself were here daily trying to analyse what he was doing wrong and with words of advice.

When Ramdin assumed the cappoship and certain posters attempted to call him Ramgoat, I registered my disgust, displesure and protest.

Now go say a good word in support of Shiv, Marlon and Paint.

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You are correct imo on both.

Courtesy does care about the players.

He does also want to turn the knife in.

I can see why he will admit to only one

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BOB MARLEY LYRICS
Play Music
"Ambush In The Night"

(Ooh-wee, ooh-wee, ooh-wa!)
See them fighting for power (ooh-wee, ooh-wee, ooh-wa!),
But they know not the hour (ooh-wee, ooh-wee, ooh-wa!),;
So they bribing with their guns, spare-parts and money,
Trying to belittle our
Integrity now.
They say what we know
Is just what they teach us;
And we're so ignorant
'Cause every time they can reach us (shoobe, doo-wa)
Through political strategy (shoo-be, doo-wa);
They keep us hungry (shoobe, doo-wa),
And when you gonna get some food (shoobe, doo-wa),
Your brother got to be your enemy, we-e-ell!

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My main pleasure is seeing a set of volatile vocal jamaicans who produced bile and invective on the basis that the senior players were being victimized, particularly gayle, and have now become hostile to those senior players.

Only because management of Wipa and wicb like Jerk and patties and parfime cochon avec dombway off the menu.

As much as I see the thing from a totally left field angle, I can at least laugh.

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Aaaahhh...so there IS a revenge factor in all of this for you......or as commie would say....an opportunity to "turn the knife in"

Cool.

Human nature and all that I guess

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Now comment on the Yardie posters here who lynched the dottie H&H with incessant calls for them to pack up and go yet embrace the yardie H&H.

Please, please in the interest of fairness.

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There are many people....not just yardies that are conflicted on this issue.

Rather than point to others, I'll deal with my own conflict

I'm not a Darren Sammy fan. Yet he appears to be front and centre with the players in this dispute.

Contrast that to I'm a huge Kieron Pollard fan. Yet my personal view is not withstanding the provocation, the players should not have abandoned the tour.

At the ennd of the day, while I have my views, I'm not in the players shoes. I also understand and appreciate that hindsight is 20/20....IN BOTH CASES

Had the WICBC relented and given in to the players demands, there would have been hue and cry from certain factions about "weak" leadership etc.

Those same factions bawlin now about Cameron et al should have done anything necessary to save the tour.


It's a complex situation with plenty shades of grey. Decisions were made.....decisions that have been and will be second guessed for years to come.

And to be clear....I'm not attacking you. I truly was just making an observation and really...it just shows how complex the whole thing is. EVERYONE....has an agenda....me included. Not just yardies.

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Hahahahahaha!!!!

OK Mr. Full Filled. Point taken.

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I respect your POV and I ascribe no motive to your perspective.

Caribbean folk are shameless folks in general.
From politics to sports, they never leave with their heads held high, its always kicking and screaming while being thrown out the door.
I don't expect much to happen anytime soon with WICB or WIPA.

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ROFL

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Ding! Ding! Ding!



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I am taken aback , because you keep harping on Cameron , but not on the
REGIONAL BOARD PRESIDENTS WHO AS YOU ARE

FULLY AWARE ; HAVE MUCH MORE CLOUT THAN

CAMERON ; SINCE THEY ARE THE PERSONS WHO

SELECTED HIM TO BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE

WICB .


Your refusal to be very critical of them ;
informs me that you possibly have ulterior motives for only citing Cameron , who I believe was only doing the bidding of others ; who are now delighted that you and others of your ilk make Cameron , the sacrificial Lamb .


" OH WHAT A TANGLED WEB WE WEAVE WHEN FIRST WE FLATTER TO DECEIVE " instantly
comes to my mind . Essentially it seems that Cameron should be throw to the Lions to staunch the frenzy .

Absolutely Brilliant . However I don't think that this Machiavellian tactic is going to work this time ; despite your strenuous efforts to limit the damage only to Cameron . Why ??? Because Cameron aint empowered to act on his own , or to stray off the Reservation .

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For the record I respect you as a poster, whilst not necessarily sharing your point of view.

My take on the whole brouhaha,albeit based on info gleaned from some less than reliable sources,is simply that I believe that WIPA,WICB and the players have not handled this situation well.

The BCCI are also not without fault. If sources are correct,they were in discussions with the players,sided with them and once it became apparent that a strike was inevitable, they would not allow the west indies board to send a replacement team.

To cancel a tour under those circumstances ,is unforgivable, it has huge consequences.

I cannot believe that the players were not aware pre tour, of the huge discrepancy between the two pay structures.

Both incidentally agreed by their union.
When objections to the discrepancy was raised,their union advised them not to sign, which, would suggest that negotiations would be continuing.

It would appear that they sought leverage mid tour, they bypassed their union and threatened to abandon the tour if their grievances were not met.

In their minds that would have been their strongest bargaining position, it probably was,until Hinds misguidedly and the Cameron led WICB ,in a fit of pique, decided not to play ball.

Now, had they indicated that they would not be prepared to accept those terms, prior to the departure to India, I guarantee you that WICB would have selected a scab team to India.

Some of the same players who are now protesting ,would have been on that team.

A responsible union should seek to protect the interest of their members without destroying their employers. Equally an employer must respect the rights of workers, they too are stake holders in the success of the company.

The leaders of the union should make the employers aware of grievances,warn them in advance of the consequences and should they fail to act,take action.

However any action that destroys the company or the brand is not a good thing.

Management and the union ought to be pragmatic during negotiations ,especially in cases where the union has free collective bargaining rights. It doesn't pay to win the battle and lose the war.

Margaret Thatcher's anti unions and anti workers rights philosophy won her the battle but ultimately lost her the war. She only succeeded in forking up Britain for good.

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So you saying Cameron is Thatcher in this instance?

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Musi bhai ah feel seh yuh asking answers

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It is strange you have invoked the ghost of Lady Thatcher to press home a point about her supposedly anti worker stands and likened it to that of Cameron.

I would hate to follow you and dabble in the occult.



It is pellucidly clear to me that communication with the players would have averted a crisis. Instead inaction caused by arrogance by the WICB prevailed and this precipitated a cascade of events to the detriment of West Indies cricket.

The other issues are incidental.

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BTW, why didn't the WICB cancel only the fifth ODI and one T20 since a new team had to be selected and announced for the test match portion of the tour?

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My good sir, can you now offer a comment on the rest of the post?

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sorry sir Courtesy its a no from me
I await further comments from you on the points raised in my initial post

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BCCI says all or nothing

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Test team was not picked yet! if the socalled rumour that three players mash up de tour. ah who fault dat?

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When did they say that?

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Facking correct...how Spuds miss dat and he is known fuh stalking me....maybe he busy with his LBW and changing de line thread!!!

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You can Run ; ; you can Bob &
Weave , You can even hide ; but by refusing to answer my query to you ; you are confirming the point I have made . You are simply a One Trick Pony , and a very bad one at that .

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FYI I am fully aware that your Propaganda
Machine is in overdrive , & Damage Control .
You only want Cameron alone to be exposed .
You are in favour of keeping the other
Incompetent persons on the Board .

There is a saying " WHO LAUGHS LAST LAST BEST " . YOU I am fully certain aint going to be laughing Last .

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Is that your last laugh?