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Bridgetown, Barbados, November 23 - (www.bcacricket.org) - As widely expected, former national captain Ryan Hinds, Kyle Corbin, Roston Chase and Tino Best have taken the places of the four West Indies players named in the Test squad for South Africa for the Barbados Pride Round 3 WICB Professional Cricket League first-class match against Guyana Jaguars at Providence in Guyana, starting November 28.

Captain and opener Kraigg Brathwaite, left-arm spinner Sulieman Benn and fast bowlers Kemar Roach and Jason Holder will all be leaving the Caribbean on November 30 for the three-Test series against the South Africans.

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UNLESS someone steps up...this batting will crumble against the spin trio of Bishoo,Permaul and the dangerous Deonarine. Hinds,Carter and Smith will have to distinguish themselves.

Barbados will bring as much as seven bowlers against Guyana. Only Deonarine to me will stand in the way of the B'dos bowling decimating Guyana.
Best,Cummins,Brathwaite,Smith,Warrican,Hinds,Nurse.

proposed Bajan lineup

Phillips
Smith
Hope/Corbin/Chase
Carter
Hinds
Dowrich
Brathwaite cpt
Nurse
Best
Cummins
Warrican

In reply to analyst-kid

Smith opening in a 4 day game?

In reply to analyst-kid

I hope your boy (RyRy) make the final cut........he should, but yuh never know, stranger things have happened.............

Dat team will get a beatdung fuh de ages...Ramon Reifer gat some score to settle with allyuh!

In reply to WestDem

1.Best position to get some runs outta Smith is to make him open.

2.Hinds experience needed here in the absence of Brathwaite and Edwards....he only miss the first match becuz of illness.

3 Can't see a beatdown for Bim here. Guyana batting is just Deonarine.


Barbados bringing seven bowlers all with NUFF FC wickets ave sub 30 (except for the newcomer Warrican). Guyana batting will be put to the test.

In reply to analyst-kid



Deo, Vishal Singh, Lil Shiv/Griffith, Barnwell, Reifer, Bramble...that is 250 runs right there...

In reply to WestDem

against who? Them fraid pace...Best gine frighten them and set them up while Brathwaite and Cummins get all de wickets!

In reply to analyst-kid
you guys always full a talk before game day and come game time you all missing!

Barbados onetime had a bowler name Sam Skeete ...all he had was pace,,,used to get a load of wickets everytime they play Guyana. Guyana of today fraid pace esp minus Shiv.

In reply to camos

Advantage Guyana...after all they home and they winning...Barbados batting HAS TO distinguish themselves to win here esp Smith,Carter and Hinds.

Same venue this year

In reply to analyst-kid
Too many bowlers. At this level Smith and Carter are bowlers. So is hinds.
So need for those 3 + 5 specialist bowlers

In reply to analyst-kid

Are you living under a rock, with that batting line up/
Corbin will partner Phillips.
Phillips
Corbin
Hope
Hinds
Carter
Dowrich
Brathwaite
Nurse
Best
Warrican
Cummins

In reply to openning

This is a better team with either Smith or hinds. not both

In reply to analyst-kid

Carter is possibly the best player of spin in this region.

In reply to Commie

What makes you say that?

_r

In reply to Admin

Ask Reds. He started saying it after this innings...

Carter in semis

I was there at that game. The wicket was horrible and pretty much unplayable for everyone else but Carter, who was batting as if he was in a net session. It was something else. Note that spinners took ALL the wickets in the match.

And note he is a leftie and Shane was bowling at the lefties traditional weakness.

In reply to Commie

If that's the data set you are using to herald "the best player of spin in the region," then I'd say it's quite a stretch.

I'm not doubting that he may be but c'mon, gimme something better.

_r

In reply to Admin

Look I saw that match live. You watched the scorecard.

Noone else in the entire match scored 25. Carter was last man out for Bim. And Shilly was under no ICC restriction and was pelting the doosra as well as bowling the offie square.

Sometimes you can watch a scorecard and get the picture.

We will have to see but the combination of his footwork, willingness to play the balls without using his pads, and his excellent sweeping and driving vs spin makes him the best regional player Ive seen vs spin in the last few seasons.

In reply to Commie

OK boss. You win.

_r

In reply to analyst-kid

wappen with kirk?

In reply to Commie



Was Carter part of the Bim team that was bowled out fuh 58 by Deo?

In reply to WestDem

Deo is the best spinner in the region.

In reply to camos



True dat....Carter and Co better be prepared!

In reply to WestDem
no, he was part of the team that bowled out the muddies fuh 96

KIRK hurt....opening want me to believe that Smith will sit down for Corbin.

What has Corbin do re batting and bowling to oust Dwayne Smith?

In reply to tc1



Dude...I checked dat scorecard and saw him out to Bess....He is a 58'ers!!!

In reply to WestDem

like way Deo is muddy 96ers, they are all even

In reply to analyst-kid

smith should not play 4d cricket, his longest form should be 2/20

In reply to tc1

In reply to tc1



you talking to yourself.

In reply to Admin

Its not a win ting. He may bomb out the rest of the season but unlike the rest of the Bim team who are not much good vs spin, he is like Bradman

In reply to analyst-kid

My comment to your post was Smith opening, did not see I omitted him in my line-up.
Too bad for Ryan Hinds, he will sit.

In reply to openning


I rather play Ryan than Smith in a 4d game, I am thinking like you Smith is not an opening batsman for a 4d game.

Ryan is better in a 4d game, I would not have both of them in a 4d

In reply to tc1

The last time I saw Hinds and Smith batting, they look as though it was a fete match.
I was teased by Uwee students, who wanted T20 cricket

In reply to tc1

Smith will get the nod, he is in the BCA good books, plus he is an IPLer.

In reply to openning



Ryan only going to Guyana fuh one reason and one reason alone!

In reply to WestDem

He love pum pum. is that the reason for him going to Guyana?
Bigdog4 cannot stand him.

In reply to openning



He love Pum Pum yes but he really going to Guyana to feast at de KFC that is next to Providence....

In reply to / Westdem/openning

especially muddy pum pum

In reply to tc1



Ryan better mek sure he nah tek one ah dem muddy pum pum.....he do that and he nat going back to Bim....

is it true dat pum pum scarce in Bim?

In reply to WestDem

Man , I don't know, haven't live in Bim for years, but I beat up some muddy Pum Pum when I came back on vacation.
Nodays you have to walk with your Pum Pum, can't take a chance

Where is the Pum Pum Dr. Southie

In reply to WestDem

KFC? Boss like yuh nuh know Guyana nah got KFC! Sanitary close dem down.. n d people pull out dem name..

In reply to anthonyp


What happened to Demico House?

both Smith and Hinds will play.

In reply to WestDem

Look, Deo is a slow bowler. He aint no bad spinner in my book, but he offers something different from Bishoo and Permaul who spin it from the leg. I suspect that batsmen are preparing for those two and neglecting Deo, giving him a bit of a leg-up. Bim will deal wid him.

In reply to Commie

Hold that thought Commie. I'm waiting to see Shai play against de muddy BIG spinners!

In reply to Outswinger

Commie is speaking of JC, who can play spin well.all of that talk that bajans cannot play spin is not correct.
Carter KB, Kurt , Dowrich , and Corbin can all play spin.

In reply to tc1 So Smith just miss out on a one day century against India the other day but he is not good enough for you to face Bishoo and Permaul?

In reply to tc1 As for Hinds, I know the guy has had talent but for me he will forever be associated with the unprofessional, negative, looser mentality that permeated Barbados' cricket B.K.and P.C. .(before Kirk and Post-Courtney).

In reply to Logic

You have to check smithy 4 d record, he has failed in this format, OD and t20 yes.
As for Hinds, he is best suited for 4d IMO, but if we play Hinds this is a spot lost to developing a young player.
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In reply to Outswinger

The problem that I see with young batsman from bim, they do not play against teams that have bowlers who hunt in pairs.
It will be interesting to me, if you, tc1 , Fuzzy or kid can name three bowlers from any elite team, that can walk into the pride X1.
Empire - Warrican, dont know any other bowler
Spartan- Benn
Maple-Roach
Pickwick- Best
Wanderers- Holder
UWI - Brathwaite, Ryan Austin
BDFSP - Cummins
Lime - Nurse

Previous years
Empire - Griffith, Branker
Spartan - Hall, Mayers, Holford
Wanderers - Atkinson, Edwards
Pickwick White and a few others
Carlton - had a few
Maple - Holder, Boyce and a few other

Thats why Barbados were able to produce batsman, all the above mention guys played for Barbados and represented teams that had 2-3 bowlers that could easily make bim's team today.
Shai preparing to play a team in bim with 2-3 good bowlers, will be good preparation for him, facing regional bowlers.

In reply to openning


Empire...Warrican...u doan count Hinds or Stoute?

Wanderers...Holder...u doan count Bradshaw?

In reply to openning

You are making the same case a friend of mine told me a couple of years ago, I agreed with you here, but remember Lara came out of a very weak T&T system.

I can only hope that Shai improve and develop as a batsman, I also think that Shane Dowrich has good technique .
The BCA has to organize tournaments to expose their young players like in the past

Bim batting seems to be improving and I hope K. Corbin plays EACH BALL ON It's merit.

In reply to openning

I do not disagree, but for me the most glaring problem is that the Barbados Youth is so fragmented and the best youth players do not play for that team.

From the stand-point of development, U17 and U19 preparation as well as Barbados XI preparation, these players should be selected by the Barbados youth team coaches. Any youth who is still at secondary school should be available to them, as a channel to select the young, promising talents who may have the goods to get into the Barbados team at a later time or now. It should be an honour. They should be able to name a thirteen and have a few in reserve.

I say, strengthen that team first and foremost. There is a problem with school teams playing in the Elite, like Foundation. Their better players should be in the Youth squad. Schools should be relegated to the lower divisions, maybe Div. 1 at the highest but the coaches should still be able to pick any school kid for the Elite Barbados Youth Team and have priority over any other school or normal team.

Even if kid signs up for a regular club like Empire, he should be available for selection by the Barbados Youth selectors as long as he is of the age or at secondary school.

Number 2: Fix/upgrade the BCL. Create about 6 zones and make the zones contest for the BCL championship. But draw up the zones to be equitable in terms of teams. They need more exposure and promotion.

In reply to analyst-kid

Ian had his day, he only plays Elite cricket when Kirk, Jason and Kraigg are not available.
Stoute cannot make Barbados team as a bowler,
Ryan only played a few games.

In reply to Outswinger
The problem I see is too many teams in the Elite division.
Barbados does not have the population that will produce the number of Elite players, a great percentage of players, should be in the Intermediate division.
The BCL is not needed, since moving into the BCA, 2nd division can do the same thing the BCL did in the early years.
Having 6-8 team playing Elite cricket, with two of them being UWI and schools, will be better competitive cricket, create better, bowlers and batsman.

In reply to tc1

Lara and Shiv are two out of 1000 youngsters that came out of the U-19 in the last 25 years.

If you see what happened to Carlton, with having Yorkshire in the 1st division, you will see what I have been posting for sometime.

In reply to openning

I disagree vehemently wid dat! The BCL is needed. The players from the BCL that play in the BCA should be the cream of the crop from the total BCL landscape. Now how do the BCl get their players there and potentially into the Barbados team like Nurse, Charlie, Sobers, Hunte and company ? They need a feeder system. That is what the BCL is.

You have youth all over the island playing cricket, and many of these probably cannot
get into a BCA team. Killing off that competition could kill off some gem, some young Hall, or Greenidge or Holford in the making. My point is, it should be structured in zones like: City (St. Michael and surrounding), North, South, East, West (north of City like St. James, western St. Peter), central (St Thomas/St. George) That is six zones.

They play their zone championship, then the zone selects a squad of their best to play against the other zones; and from that players are selected to the BCL team that plays in the BCA Elite. Such a team could be very strong with truly the best BCL players from around the country.

Barbados cricket would be much better off with those two initiatives.

In reply to Outswinger

I disagreed with opening also, I like your plan but take it a step, using this same model and create a real elite division that has professional sponsorship.

In reply to Outswinger & tc1
The year the BCL move into the BCA, was the end of the BCL as you and I knew it.
If you live in Barbados and follow BCL cricket, you will see a number of teams in various villages now playing in the BCA.
The BCL league is now like a fete or village cricket.
I grew up following teams name George Park, Clippers and Sheffield, the Reifers came from that area, are these teams in the BCL now?

I would like Powen's dad to give me his input on this topic, and what he think is needed to move cricket forward.
We have not produce a good International batsman since Dessie, just think about that.

In reply to tc1 Smith is a different player today. That is how he worked his way back into the wi one day squad. In my book if you are good enough to play 50 over cricket internationally then you are good enough for the 4 day game domestically. Bottom line is that Smith is a current wi professional player and he needs to keep playing cricket in whatever form if he is to maintain that status.

All of that said when you suggest he has failed at the 4 day game you need to indicate relative to whom. To this day I think he is only Barbados cricketer in recent history, apart from Hinds, who has soored a century against Trinidad at the Barbados cricketer's graveyard, Guaracara Park. His was a matching saving effort, while HInds' century was the precipice from which he and the Barbados fell into a deep abyss, only rescued by the assertiveness of Kirk Edwards years later.

In reply to Logic

Smith also has a love for Guyanese bowling...I recall him plundering McGarrell and co in the past.

In reply to Outswinger

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I agree with #1, I don't think two cricket organization is needed in Barbados anymore.
If you look at the history of the BCL and why it was needed at that time, you would realized it was a way for getting poor boys and men to play cricket.
We enjoyed the BCL playing the BCA at the end of the season, this format is now replace with a team in the BCA and a number of teams leaving the BCL.
I applaud some clubs that youth division, thats what most county and shield clubs have.
My wife's first cousin was drafted in Toronto, by Arsenal, he has been living in England for 5 yrs, clubs and schools develop young players.
tc1, what is Maple doing to get the best youngsters in their camp?

In reply to openning

I am like you, I am out of BIm for decades, I read the BCA and this mb for information.

My contact at maple, was my good friend Sammy ,but he has not being well for many years. I hope that a good replacement is there to do the work of Sammy and Barrington yearwood Srn.( rip).
The club I am impressed with is North Stars, agin my friend Ashley Toppin is doing a fine job there.

If wish that I could shed more light , but I am very far from the ground and that where the help is needed.

In reply to tc1

I'll like to see Corbin play tomorrow.
Hinds did not show much maturity, when I last saw him, lets hope he has learn something from being dropped.

In reply to openning

I agreed,as I said to Logic I would not play Hinds and Smith in 4d games

In reply to Logic

You have a lot of faith in Smith, is he playing better in 50/50 and T 20 yes, but 4dys I am still wary of his performance.

Corbin, Hope and Smith all on show...best and Chase rested.

In reply to analyst-kid

Why pick senior players, if you are not going to play them?
The present day BCA management has no respect for players, it is totally unfair to Tino.

In reply to openning

Agreed.

In reply to openning

BTW...your two Bajan players u dislike Hinds and Smith leading the way with wickets......but can they lead the way with runs?

In reply to analyst-kid

And those two players, the best in Barbados, have always typically drawn his wrath...inexplicably!

In reply to analyst-kid
Hinds and Smith did not show any maturity the last time I saw them, I said that live from CCC as I was posting.
Smith has now settle to be a good T20 player, Hinds will have to prove he has mature.

BTW, Warrican is the best spinner I've seen from Bim, since Benn and Austin, he give me hope.

In reply to openning

Hinds,Smith,Warrican and Brathwaite all bowling tight...conceding 2 runs an over and less,

In reply to analyst-kid

Cummins look rusty, he not even trying to get a length, this format is not a good fit for Nurse.
Though two release the pressure

Cummins getting real licks to compare to the rest of bowling. 7-0-38-0

Given that Walton is now residing in Bim, studying his Masters at UWI, why don't Barbados hire him on a pay-as-you-play basis?

In reply to mikesiva

to replace Dowrich as wkpr?..why would Bajans do that?

In reply to mikesiva

To carry water?
The Pride has two wicket-keepers in the game.

In reply to analyst-kid and openning

Not necessarily...as a batsman. The regional batting is so crap that Walton looks good in comparison. Walton also bats better than Hope....

Of course, it's much easier to pick the likes of Chase instead....

This is why this PCL is a joke. Barbados will only pick Bajans, Jamaica will only pick Jamaicans, etc. So much for franchise cricket...parochialism rules.

Cummins 10-0-60-0

Smith 9-0-19-2

Cummins is mainly what have Guyana achieving 200+

Mason bewzing them for leaving out Best. With Roach,Holder and Fidel not around Best should be picked.

In reply to mikesiva

The pride team is pick from performance in this cricket;
Where is Walton

capt Brathwaite has to know who are his best bowlers...clearly by far it is Warrican and Dwayne Smith....

In reply to analyst-kid




You are all over the place, you change faster than Powen.

I am not impress with either Brathwaite or Nurse bowling

In reply to openning

how am i all over the place...the best bowlers for Barbados today were Warrican and Smith.

I earlier mentioned Brathwaite was bowling tight along with Hinds,Warrican and Smith.

I mentioned Cummins was a runs truck today enabling Guyana to reach that score.

In reply to analyst-kid Cummins did pretty decently with the A team in Sri Lanka. Cant blame C.Brath for going with him given that he would have been looking at him first hand as cappo of the A team. Hard to figure why Cummins is so far of his form shown 2 competitions ago. Then he looked like a world beater. Got to be between the ears.

In reply to openning Never impressed by Nurse. Kirk seemed to have worked some miracle with the guy two seasons ago but he just never looks like a bowler for the longer form of the game - and lately has not been so impressive in the shortest form either.

In reply to openning
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Just came home, who is in the team, is philips playing

In reply to tc1

Tino and Chase are on the bench

In reply to openning

See Carlos back to open an innings, was Bim u19 opener a couple of years back.

In reply to tc1

a lot of batting in this match...they better grab their opportunities.

In reply to analyst-kid

Correct, this is a strong batting and bowling team

Yep...Hope and Corbin contributed a lot with the bat between them in this innings, to justify keeping them in the side ahead of Walton.

At least Walton will be able to play for the CCC in the Super50 in January....