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Kenroy Peters - Finally....

 
jen 2014-12-20 17:26:21 

Point, start a lap of victory. Matter ah fact, get yo ticket booked to fly.
big grin big grin

 
johnjo 2014-12-20 17:29:15 

In reply to jen

And watch him become a permanent fixture in the team.
Can you believe that Cotterell was picked ahead of this guy.

 
jen 2014-12-20 17:39:24 

In reply to johnjo

More than likely, Holder will replace Roach in the xi. Holder, Taylor, Peters should make up the xi. In SA, good control with movement is good. Indian swing bowlers have had success over there and them aint express. Philander currently more dangerous than Morkel and Steyn in SA. Me fraid to watch Philander bowl to us, serious, them deadly length balls with movement is something our guys not good at. I was happy watching Steyn hit shorter lengths in the first innings to brathwaite and Smith.

 
voiceofreason 2014-12-20 17:41:24 

In reply to jen

Taylor??? Really Taylor still in your lineup?

 
Scar 2014-12-20 17:46:50 

In reply to jen

Noticed that too eh? Steyn was not a problem to those two. WI pkayers have problems with any swing thats what destroyed Kuk, DwSmith, and a few others. Spin in RSA or OZ will be less venomous to them. Swing is also undoing India in OZ too!

KB did get out to a lazy push though, in both innings lazily movong his feet. Smith was done in by a purely bias home umpire and was a bit unfortunate 2nd innings.

OZ academy boss confirmed what wr both saying RSA pitches,are bouncy not fast and added swing will bother most.

 
Scar 2014-12-20 17:49:47 

In reply to voiceofreason Why not? He had a bad 1st innings. So did Steyn @4.85 per over. Ease up nuh?

Taylor bowls better with the ball scruffed up. He has problens with the new, new ball and I mean new.

 
jen 2014-12-20 17:53:28 

In reply to Scar

exactly, SA pitches are not fiery quick, but the balls lift and there is swing. Australian decks are more truer bounce so once you settled, you can belt even the most ruthless pacer. Seen even them indian pacers get balls to lift in SA. You need the more accurate guys playing there.

 
voiceofreason 2014-12-20 18:07:47 

In reply to Scar

Dude . Taylor's bowling has been ordinary since his return. This is the same Taylor who could not buy a wicket at home vs Bangladesh.


Happy for Kenroy and I wish him well but he will have a lot of bowling to do against a good batting lineup.

 
Scar 2014-12-20 18:37:15 

In reply to jen I think it was Commie who told me that Jason doesnt move it much, that he bowls an offcutter and a slight away ball. WI need to find someone to show guys like Holder and Cotterell more about swing

 
POINT 2014-12-20 19:00:06 

In reply to voiceofreason

The Invisible Man can bowL all freaking Day
so stop questioning his Stamina . For years
All I have asked for is that the Selectors evaluate him .

They bluntly refused to do that , now at 32
they decided to select him . I sincerely hope that he does well . I have no doubt that he is going to do his best .


GO GET THEM KENROY ; ALL THE BEST TO YOU

 
jen 2014-12-20 19:07:52 

In reply to Scar

Holder does move the white ball in ODI's although not so much, but his height and accuracy is a good combination. In places like SA, you just need to hit the correct length at times, 50% of the pitches there go do the rest fo yo. Pollock was a menace in SA, stink line and length. So was guys like Stuart Clark.

 
Commie 2014-12-20 19:13:21 

In reply to Scar

People are obssessed with extra pace.

Holder uses the seam well. The biggest issue for WI bowlers is that they do not use the ball properly. Roach has the ideal combo of pace and ability to seam the ball but below that if I had to choose making the ball talk or making it fly fast I'm choosing the former everytime.

 
Drapsey 2014-12-20 19:16:27 

In reply to POINT

The problem with Peters all along was with $ammy's tenure in the team. The Hunte/Hilaire administration couldn't force another dottie into the team.

This current administration doesn't appear to cater to any specific territory when it comes to picking players and or captains.

 
sudden 2014-12-20 19:19:40 

In reply to Drapsey

You sure can talk Shoite.

 
Drapsey 2014-12-20 19:22:15 

In reply to sudden

I'm sure your opinion is valuable to you. To me it means squat.

 
Commie 2014-12-20 19:22:23 

In reply to sudden

At least he is consistent.its like a brand. Drapsey...where the shit flows. big grin

 
sudden 2014-12-20 19:22:48 

In reply to Drapsey

You sure can talk Shoite

 
Scar 2014-12-20 19:31:28 

In reply to Drapsey
Go back to how lo g ago Peters been knocking on the door. You will see how msny lesser wicket takers selectors chose before him.

 
Drapsey 2014-12-20 19:34:42 

In reply to Scar

Go back to how lo g ago Peters been knocking on the door. You will see how msny lesser wicket takers selectors chose before him.

Yet he couldn't get into the team because his (would be) place was occupied. Amen.

 
POINT 2014-12-20 19:42:53 

In reply to jen

For years , the Windward Selectors have ignored him ; the WICB didn't think much of Devon Smith & Kenroy Peters despite their
performances at the U-19 Level , to send them to enhance , harness & hone their Talents . England did that for James Anderson who played in the same U-19 Test Series vs the West Indies .

While it is true that Devon Smith got a chance ; nothing was done for the Invisible Man . he was completely ignored by ALL the Jokers ; who think that Pace like Fire is the only recipe for success .

 
Stilbatn 2014-12-20 19:45:30 

In reply to POINT

Point taken big grin big grin big grin big grin

 
POINT 2014-12-20 20:10:13 

In reply to Stilbatn

They said that he was short , they said he aint have enough pace . I don't recall Pedro Collins being tall guy .

 
Scar 2014-12-20 20:36:14 

In reply to Drapsey

Dude at that time I dont even think there was a Winwards player on the WI team. So 11 years ago Peters was flinging down wickets Lara,was cappo, Collins and Drakes make the team in those days where you get the nonsense about Sammy in the team cause thats what you hinting at. A time when WI begging for wicket takers and brought on a lot of so called xpress pacers who took licks again and again.

 
Drapsey 2014-12-20 20:53:50 

In reply to Scar

I hope when Peters start tekking his licks no one complain that it's because he has passed his prime.

Anyway, good luck Peters.

 
voiceofreason 2014-12-20 20:59:44 

In reply to Drapsey

I hope when Peters start tekking his licks no one complain that it's because he has passed his prime.

Anyway, good luck Peters.


You sound bitter.

 
Stilbatn 2014-12-20 21:09:32 

In reply to POINT

Pedro Collins is tall his brother Fidel "Castro" Edwards was the short one

 
seko 2014-12-20 21:10:27 

In reply to voiceofreason

I am confused. Is it Peters or Deo who is going to South Africa?

 
checkm8 2014-12-20 22:02:52 

In reply to POINT

Corey Collymore and Peters could have been a great combination.

 
POINT 2014-12-20 22:45:53 

In reply to checkm8

I have never seen Corey Collymore , so I cannot comment on him . I suppose that you
are probably right .

 
CricketLuva4 2014-12-20 22:55:25 

In reply to jen

Nowhere does it actually outwardly confirm Peters going to RSA. It just says that he or Cummins will likely go, and given the bareness of the cupboard, who else would?

CENTURION, South Africa, (CMC) – Left-arm seamer Kenroy Peters or fast bowler Miguel Cummins could be called up to replace Kemar Roach who will miss the Boxing Day Test against South Africa through injury.

Media reports in Barbados have indicated that Cummins is almost certain to replace fellow seamer Roach who limped out of the first Test here on Wednesday’s opening day after injuring his ankle, and played no further role in the contest.

 
Scar 2014-12-20 23:55:45 

Cummins is pacier than Philander and OZ' Johnson so there he goes. Hope he is cerebral for WI sake.

big grin
big grin

 
Commie 2014-12-20 23:59:17 

In reply to CricketLuva4

WIPA tweeted Peters named to replace Roach.

 
Andy99 2014-12-21 00:56:54 

In reply to checkm8

Corey Collymore and Peters could have been a great combination.


Great must mean something else for you.

 
Andy99 2014-12-21 00:58:25 

In reply to POINT

You've never seen Colleymore?
Are you in your teens....no can't be with all them long-arsed stories you does be writing.
You probably ole as hell, back from the days of radio and didn't upgrade to tv until recently.

 
methodic 2014-12-21 01:31:31 

In reply to Andy99

is points you phacking up so. jezaz chrize! how you get bad so all of a sudden

 
Andy99 2014-12-21 01:39:01 

In reply to methodic

lol
Being the villian is so much more fun. lol

 
Commie 2014-12-21 01:54:14 

In reply to Andy99

Corey Collymore even after 2 stress fractures of his back that turned him from a quick exciting prospect to Darren Sammy pace, was still better than Ravi Rampaul.

 
Andy99 2014-12-21 02:00:27 

In reply to Commie

He was better than all we have today but for Roach, probably very close to Roach.

But why you telling me this?
Is it that you think he was a great bowler and a 30 year old who is yet to debut would've formed a great combination?
For all the cricketers you does be calling mediocre that can't be true.

 
Commie 2014-12-21 02:19:02 

In reply to Andy99

Collymore only had one series, his debut, where he was a fast bowler.

After his injuries he was even slower than Peters.

If people like intelligent bowling though, then maybe that combo would be their thing.

Most of the bowlers of that generation look good right about now.

Pedro Collins being another.

And no..not as good as Roach. Not close.

 
checkm8 2014-12-21 02:24:55 

In reply to Andy99

Collymore was the best bowler since Bishop.. He used to beat the bat so often, keep the batsmen guessing. The jackasses who supported him never capitalized on his effect and used to bowl crap. Some of these bowlers should learn the art of bowling seam up from him. Even roach struggles to keep the seam upright.

 
Andy99 2014-12-21 02:26:00 

In reply to Commie

All that talk and you still ain't answering nor explaining.

Close to Roach I say.

Pedro was overrated.
I rated him on par with the likes of Colleymore and Dillon.
Would've been in my early teens during his time and I remember him being good at moving the ball but I was just looking at his stats and it doesn't add up.
26 wickets against Bangladesh at 16 from 4 matches. At that time they were much weaker than they are now.
Minus that and he has 80 at 40 from 28.

 
Andy99 2014-12-21 02:29:35 

In reply to checkm8

I doh have a problem with that.
Is the word great which I'm sure you didn't mean as you where just trying to emphasize the duo.

All in all despite Colleymore being one of our best since Ian, Walsh and Curtly, he ended up being a decent-borderline good bowler.

 
Commie 2014-12-21 02:31:09 

In reply to Andy99

You realise Roach now has a Sr below 50?

I repeat not even close. Roach is the best quick since Ambrose and Walsh left WI cricket.

The only thing that can derail him is fitness and frustration at having to carry a mediocre attack.

 
checkm8 2014-12-21 02:41:08 

In reply to Andy99

You got it. What a waste right ?

 
JahJah 2014-12-21 02:48:55 

In reply to johnjo

Can you believe that Cotterell was picked ahead of this guy.


Well, you could believe Sammy was picked at all, so why not? How about Mathurin, Charles and Bascombe?

I really hope to God that Peters doh hold some stiff licks, because I doubt your health will stand up.

 
TheTrail 2014-12-21 05:04:21 

In reply to Scar

In reply to jen I think it was Commie who told me that Jason doesnt move it much, that he bowls an offcutter and a slight away ball. WI need to find someone to show guys like Holder and Cotterell more about swing


But you already have Ambrose who could do all that, what more do you want? Yuh discard him just like that?

 
Star 2014-12-21 09:45:34 

In reply to POINT

For years all I have asked for is that the selectors evaluate him.

Congrats Mr.POINT, your persistence paid off. You are the man of the day.

The invisible man will now be visible to the whole world.

 
hubert 2014-12-21 09:50:04 

In reply to Star

So I just saw the confrimation that it is Peters. Well congrats to him. Did not think it was necessary to send a pcer or anyone as only Two matches left in tghe series and Holder and Gabriel are there.
Would have made more sense if these replacement players were included inn the 20/20 and ODI squads thatfollow immediately after.
BUT is water wet ? WICB playing all the fields,mollifying and buying favours in a wide arc....9 acres already secured and other things to come.
LMAO lol lol lol

 
POINT 2014-12-21 10:03:15 

In reply to Andy99

I was out of the Region for a long time , I only came back to the Region in 2001 and left the Region again in 2005 .

It was when I came back that my interest in Cricket was rekindled . I sat down and decided to see how Cricket in the Region had deteriorated , from the golden Eras .

The Ban by England on ALL OVERSEAS PLAYERS was particularly very severe not only on
our Players but over time the standard of Cricket in the Region BTW the ban was imposed in the mid 1980's .

the fact that other formats were introduced into International Cricket meant that Tours were truncated , gone were the days when there were many matches
were played before & in between the Test Matches .

This is very important , because it was these many matches that allowed our Players to harness ; enhance ; and hone their skills in all facets of the game .

Prior to the imposition of the ban by England Our Players had no problems regarding Stamina - Mental & Physical .
Their powers of Concentration were great
and their ability to pace an Innings superb .

All this came to a crashing halt because those in the governance of Cricket in the Region , DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO HELP OUR PLAYERS MAINTAIN THEIR SKILLS .

Over time these skills became dull due to not playing enough Cricket . I invite you to look at the stats of the South African Players ; and compare them to our Players
stats the disparity is very stark .

Obviously if those in the governance of Cricket in the Region had set about forming a Pro or Semi Pro League when the ban was imposed ; I have no doubt that
that today our Players would be in the top 3 Internationally .

I see no reason why a Regional Pro or Semi Pro League could not have been formed . At
that juncture our Players & Team were
THE BEST IN THE WORLD . SPONSORS LOVE

WINNERS & OUR TEAM & PLAYERS WERE THE BEST

IN THE WORLD .

 
sudden 2014-12-21 10:20:17 

In reply to POINT

Oh boy

 
Star 2014-12-21 16:27:43 

In reply to hubert

Did not think it was necessary to send a pcer or anyone as only Two matches left in tghe series and Holder and Gabriel are there.

Think they will play Gabriel and Peters in the remaining 2 test and keep Holder back for the one dayers and T20's.

WICB playing all the fields,mollifying and buying favours in a wide arc..

Doing business as only the WICB can.

 
CricketLuva4 2014-12-21 16:32:46 

In reply to seko

What's up BatQuake??

 
Narper 2014-12-21 16:48:49 

In reply to CricketLuva4

Batty back?

 
Larr Pullo 2014-12-21 17:36:45 

In reply to sudden

Smaddy should ask how come he was in the region from 2001to 2005, "knows" about the alleged ban on WI players in England in the 80's, but still knows nothing about Corey Collymore....

You ask, because I'm not going to..... lol lol lol lol

 
Andy99 2014-12-21 23:29:47 

In reply to POINT

ok.

 
openning 2014-12-21 23:50:09 

In reply to Larr Pullo

Corey is not from SVG, thats the reason for not hearing about him.

 
doosra 2014-12-22 06:40:17 

In reply to jen

Pollock was a menace in SA, stink line and length. So was guys like Stuart Clark.


i swear that in the future someone will say the same about the Dale Steyns. Mitchell Johnsons, etc

 
XDFIX 2014-12-22 15:29:38 

Peters get to eat a food, let's congratulate Yardie, Cameron!

 
granite 2014-12-22 16:45:20 

In reply to johnjo

Why can't you believe the selectors picked Cotterel in front of Peters,don't you realize they are dumb skunts,Peters should have been the first name on the list.Thank God somebody wake up,I wish Peters all the best,skunts only want pace.

 
tc1 2014-12-22 17:31:51 

In reply to granite

kool it, hard stone. never saw you this rile up before, you sound like the Point

 
Scar 2014-12-22 20:01:53 

In reply to doosra

Pollock and Clark were never listed as Xpress or even F. Both were damn accurate and moved thee ball in and away though.

 
Andy99 2014-12-22 20:08:50 

From 2000 onwards in SA-

Ntini - 245 wickets at 23
Steyn - 220 at 21
Pollock - 138 at 21
Kallis - 130 at 32
Morkel - 95 at 29
Philander - 74 at 18
PHarris - 48 at 34
Johnson - 41 at 25
Boje - 35 at 51
Warne - 35 at 24
Zhan - 30 at 35
Hayward - 29 at 24
Martin - 29 at 29
Lee - 27 at 27
Sreesanth - 27 at 28
Hoggard - 26 at 25
Flintoff - 23 at 25

What it shows is that any type of bowlers (swing. seam, hitch the pitch, spin) can have success in SA.

 
XDFIX 2014-12-22 21:17:24 

In reply to Andy99


What it shows is that any type of bowlers (swing. seam, hitch the pitch, spin) can have success in SA


Windies have any a dat?

 
Andy99 2014-12-22 21:19:49 

In reply to XDFIX

WI only have 2 ....wait 1 cricketer in SA and that is Shiv(Roach was the 2nd but he left).

 
granite 2014-12-23 02:43:54 

In reply to tc1
"Hard stone" eh.

 
jen 2014-12-23 10:27:24 

In reply to Andy99

what that list shows is that you have extreme pace and accuracy which our guys don't have or be accurate with swing. Look at Philander and Pollock. ANd you all need to remember that Steyn stop bowling at 150KPH a long time ago, nuff of his wickets are due to accurate swing bowling. Hoggard, pedestrian pace but did well. Sreesanth had as beautiful a seam position as anyone. Flintoff was good, hit hard, swing, pace, seam, whole package.

 
CricketLuva4 2014-12-23 11:04:08 

In reply to jen

Why don't they go with Holder, Benn, Peters, and Taylor then?

 
Andy99 2014-12-23 12:58:01 

In reply to jen

Fast bowlers who hit the pitch hard and used aggression.

Ntini - 245 wickets at 23
Kallis - 130 at 32
Morkel - 95 at 29
Johnson - 41 at 25
Flintoff - 23 at 25


Fast bowlers that being their strength, pace

Lee - 27 at 27
Sreesanth - 27 at 28


Bowlers who depended on movements either seam or swing mostly.

Steyn - 220 at 21
Pollock - 138 at 21
Hoggard - 26 at 25
Martin - 29 at 29
Zhan - 30 at 35
Philander - 74 at 18


Spinners
PHarris - 48 at 34
Boje - 35 at 51
Warne - 35 at 24


??? Don't know him well other than he was a pacer
Hayward - 29 at 24


Thats how I'd group them.

 
Outswinger 2014-12-23 13:07:15 

In reply to Scar

You are jesting right ? Whadaya mean faster than Johnson ?

And please do not mix up seam and swing. They are two very different fast bowling skills and most bowlers do not have both. Just saying.

 
Scar 2014-12-23 18:31:33 

In reply to Outswinger

What am I joking about? That Pollock was not F as in fast but his partner Donald was? Lee,Akhtar,Holding,Roberts,Marshall, Flintoff and a few others were 90mph plus bowlers almost at will. Not effort ball normally.

Fast medium is in the mid to upper 80s range, then there medium fast below the 85mph and theres the military medium pacers 80 and below, with 80 their effort ball.

Now Tino Best is F but like jen said theres a component called accuracy which neither Tino or Fidel could be classed as having. At least not by the standards of our past greats, orthe more recent McGraths,Lees,Steyns. Even our FM bowlers and medium pacers cant hold line and length for 2 overs rolleyes

And yes I do know seam bowling and swing differ and yess the great ones can do either depending on situations/pitches. It is what makes OZ,RSA, and Pommie bowlers better, they can adapt. Ours is run and "pong" fast as you can always - no bother if situation call for length bowling, slower, with seam positioning to get movement.

 
Outswinger 2014-12-23 18:49:15 

In reply to Scar

You referenced the wrong quote. I should have pointed to it, but here is what you said about Cummins:

"Cummins is pacier than Philander and OZ' Johnson so there he goes. Hope he is cerebral for WI sake."

It is not in qustion that Mitchel Johnson is clearly faster than Cummins.