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JoeGrine 2015-02-28 09:24:30 

I figure we should start a separate thread here

 
RoyalDad 2015-02-28 10:30:11 

In reply to JoeGrine

The girls look good so far.

 
JoeGrine 2015-02-28 21:17:06 

Hard to see CHS losing the boy's section of Champs after tonight's performance. Edwin Allen is the front runner on the girls side but St. Jago could challenge.

 
RoyalDad 2015-03-01 07:01:42 

In reply to JoeGrine

The big difference is that their class 2 cannot dominate like they did class 3 last year.They have to deal with Matherson who will take the sprint double(KC) and Taylor,though he might win the 400,will have to deal with Bann(KC).

 
JoeGrine 2015-03-01 08:32:36 

In reply to RoyalDad

Calabar will dominate Class 2, Bann suffered an injury yesterday (there goes at worse a 400m 2nd + 4x100 help). Mattherson seems to be favoring a leg after his races yesterday, he should win the 100m but the 200m could be dicey if he is not 100%. KC is strong in Class 3 but when Jago move up their Class 4 ace (Chambers) it will aid CHS in shutting down a formidable KC Class 3 group.

 
Headley 2015-03-01 08:52:45 

In reply to JoeGrine

Missed a lot of the Relays yesterday. Have to agree with Joe. CHS too deep and well coached and managed. Furthermore KC does not have a deep field events programme.

New KC coach has been on the job less than a year. He can make a difference by next year when things are more favourable and he will have a good class 3 to work with. Next year CHS will dominate the class 2 but KC will be in a much better positon in all the other classes.

Lots of injuries on the KC team right now. Hope they are not serious injuries.

BTW
I haven't seen Chambers (class 4 Jago) but I expect KC's class 3 to be so deep that one ace will not prevent it from dominating.

 
JoeGrine 2015-03-01 09:39:46 

In reply to Headley

You need to see him (Chambers)!

 
Headley 2015-03-01 10:05:58 

In reply to JoeGrine

Thanks. I don't doubt you.

One the national scene, it was great to see Ricardo Chambers running the last leg for Racers. If he's around and Jermaine Gonzales is well, the 400m scene should become very competitive. Young 400m runners like Mc Donald and Francis and schoolboys like Allen, Manley and Okeen Williams will treat 45 secs as a pass mark and not a merit.

 
JoeGrine 2015-03-01 10:21:57 

In reply to Headley

Ricardo Chambers was a mild surprise and the hope is that he can carry the torch until the young ones you mentioned can take it over. The problem is that the world is gathering steam in that event from perennial powers USA to T'dad to Bahamas to South Africa to UK. You are therefore correct, 45 has to be treated not as merit.

 
RoyalDad 2015-03-01 10:46:08 

In reply to JoeGrine
I saw the end of the relay where the KC runner pulled up.I didn't know it was Bann,but if that's the case KC as you said are looking at 2nd in 400(tentatively).If healthy,Matherson will crush both Russell and Wilson in both 100 and 200. Listen guys,C-bar had overwhelming points plus in class 3 alone last year,and that was the biggest reason why they won champs.It will not repeat this year.Now ,they are nowhere in class 3 and KC and Jago will push them in 1.KCs only spot in class 1 was Hughes .We had no representation in 400,4x4,and now we do.OHara will not sweep sprints,but they will win the 4x1.I think the bases are much more competitive this time around,and I give KC and very good chance to turn the tables.We won every sprint relay yesterday except the class 1 4x1 and class 2 4x1.I don't know what happened to C-bar in the 4x4,but they were nowhere to be found.KC did not field a team either.Well,we have roughly 3-4 weeks to know.Fortis.

 
Headley 2015-03-01 12:07:00 

In reply to RoyalDad

As a Fortis man I would like to agree but Cbar is too deep in class 2 and even class 1 sprints. Depth is important because apart from gaining points the team with depth is preventing the other team from gaining at the same time. Then there is the field events.

KC has depth but it's class 3 and not yet tested.

Do you notice this year there has been a shortage of videos on You Tube? Very few from all the meets unlike last two years when you could find videos for almost all the running events.

 
JoeGrine 2015-03-01 12:15:04 

In reply to RoyalDad

It will take something supernatural for KC to win Champs. Yes, they won six relays yesterday, however, four of those events are not contested at Champs and in one of them 4x100 Class 3, they will face Jago team that will be severely boosted by Chambers moving up from Class 4.

CLASS 1
100m - If O'Hara goes here we wins but I suspect CHS will use Clarke and another who will gain enough points to offset the O'Hara loss. KC will not recoup the points won by Hughes last year here.
200m - O'Hara at worse finishes 2nd, KC will score from two finalist here.
400m - If KC overcomes injuries to Williams, Doodnaughtsing and if Crooks goes here big race for KC while CHS loses points from Francis last year.
800m - Big for KC if Crooks runs here + Morrison.
1500m - Both schools score some points
JUMPS - Both schools score here
THROWS - CHS will outscore KC here but not by the 2014 margin
HURDLE - CHS, WOL and Steths, KC gets minimal points here
4x100 - CHS/Jago for the win. KC battles JC and Steths for 3rd
OVERALL - CHS wins Class 1

CLASS 2
100m - If healthy Mattherson wins, however, CHS will score more points in this event to offset.
200m - see 100m
400m - CHS wins and probably finishes 2nd as well. Bann's Gibson injury prove to be costly
800m - minimal points for both schools
1500m - see 800m
JUMPS -
HURDLE - CHS scores with two athletes to KC one
THROWS - CHS will not dominate here
4x100 - Loss of healthy Bann makes CHS victory easier
OVERALL - CHS wins Class 2

CLASS 3
100m - I expect the Jago Class 4 boy to win. JC and the other Jago entrant will assist CHS by restricting KC points haul
200m - KC here but Wolmers, Jago and JC will again aid CHS
400m - KC outscores CHS again
DISTANCE - both will score
HURDLE - Pinnock (KC) should win, however, an upset could be brewing.
4x100 - Jago will shock KC here, JC and Wolmers will lower CHS points haul
OVERALL - KC wins Class 3, however, CHS has Jago and JC to thank for limiting the damage in Class 3 and this is what will eventually sink the North Street crew.

OPEN
Hept, JAV, PV, 5k - KC but just
Medley - KC/ Jago. KC will need help from Steths, Staths and JC to push CHS further afield
4x400 - Jago on a canter, If CHS goes heavy (O'Hara & Taylor) then they could challenge KC

FINAL - CHS wins Champs easily. The above of course assumes normalcy.

 
RoyalDad 2015-03-01 12:22:27 

In reply to Headley

Yea.Videos are nowhere.Like you,dont know what happened.

 
RoyalDad 2015-03-01 12:22:51 

In reply to JoeGrine

Well,like I said,we will see.

 
NHu 2015-03-01 12:54:16 

In reply to RoyalDad

There are lots of videos on youtube...just search for Gibson relays 2015...Usain Bolt's effort in the 4x100 is worth seeing.

 
RoyalDad 2015-03-01 16:20:06 

In reply to NHu

Yea but unlike last 2 yrs they have been scarce.

 
Headley 2015-03-02 07:49:39 

In reply to JoeGrine

Is the youth Chambers running the final leg for Jago?

Link

 
JoeGrine 2015-03-02 08:37:59 

In reply to Headley

You like what you see?

big grin

 
Headley 2015-03-02 09:10:38 

In reply to JoeGrine

Yes impressive youngster with a style like Justin Gatlin. Very raw and obviously speedy. (His coach will have a headache trying to decide whether it will pay dividends to change his style.)

First class 3 race I have seen for the season. Look forward to seeing more of him. How come Cbar has no class 3 this year, or is coach Clarke hiding them? lol

 
JoeGrine 2015-03-02 11:35:03 


Yes impressive youngster with a style like Justin Gatlin


You got a keen pair of eyes!

CHS weakened Class 3 does not help their cause going into 2016 especially with KC having a strong group there and in Class 4. They will need to recruit massively to counteract KC.

 
RoyalDad 2015-03-02 19:56:13 

In reply to JoeGrine

If Cbar repeats what KC did last year(not getting sufficient points) to offset what KC gains,they will be in big trouble.Yes,schools like Jago and JC will reap points,but the fact is Cbar will get next to nothing.And their class 2 will get countered(tired song again) by KC,even with Bann injured.
The kid Chambers from Jago was closing fast,but it looks like the KC youth was celebrating before he reached the finish line.I believe you about Cbar recruiting.KC looks outstanding in class 3 and 4 going forward.Their class 4 almost broke the record,.06 secs off mark held by Cbar(2013).Champs look promising Headley.

 
Headley 2015-03-02 20:22:39 

In reply to RoyalDad

Not this year. lol The result will be a lot better than last year but it will not be close.

Cbar too deep. (Just realised that Jelani Walker from Georges who was third in class 2 last year is at Cbar this year.)

Next year the class 3 and class 4 gap and the work of the new KC coach will begin to make the difference. Cbar is going to recruit to make up the difference but KC is very deep in classes 3 and 4 and they will get good coaching.

I have only seen one single race in class 3 (the relay I posted above) so the answers will not be available until champs.

 
rudebway 2015-03-02 21:02:26 

In reply to JoeGrine

Do you know any links where I can buy grandstand champs tickets? Last year was hard but a friend of mine got them at Manchester high...this year seems worse

 
JoeGrine 2015-03-03 06:13:55 

In reply to RoyalDad

In 2015, CHS will be saved in Class 3 by St.Jago and JC who will both tussle with KC for points. This will be enough to blunt any advantage KC would gain on CHS in the class. Meanwhile CHS will rack up a lead in Class 2 and hold serve in Class 1 and the OPEN events handing them the trophy. Having said all of that, stranger things have happened at "Champs" (see Wolmers 2010 where all the cards fell in place for them) and it will take something "strange" for KC to win in 2015.
In 2016, however, without some impressive recruiting, CHS will have a hard time handling KC who will be extremely strong in all classes especially as indicated, in the lower classes.

 
Headley 2015-03-03 07:00:51 

In reply to RoyalDad

I saw the end of the relay where the KC runner pulled up.I didn't know it was Bann, but if that's the case KC as you said are looking at 2nd in 400(tentatively)


I understand that the KC runner who pulled up at the end of the class two 4x200m relay was Dashawn Morris not Bann. I don't know who pulled up at the end of the class two 4x100m. It could be Bann.

Joe's analysis is basically correct. The area where he might be wrong is class 3. I don't think Jago and certainly not JC, will make a dent in KC's class 3 points.

Chambers from Jago looks impressive. He will be a serious contender for the class 3 100m. I don't see any other threats in class 3, but at that age someone could pull a surprise. KC should take the relay. The KC class 3 is very deep.

 
JoeGrine 2015-03-03 09:16:17 

In reply to Headley

It was Bann who got injured in the Class 2 4x100. In Class 3, JC (Haslam) and Jago (Garriques/Chambers) will be a handful for KC's Scott and company. What they will do is negate any potential 1-2 and therein lies the problem for KC. Green Island's Johnson will also play spoiler in the class.

 
JoeGrine 2015-03-03 09:17:23 

In reply to rudebway

That is a tough one Rudebway.

 
Headley 2015-03-03 10:09:17 

In reply to JoeGrine

I hope you are wrong and that's as far as I can go because there are so many variables. It's class 3 so we can't be sure how the youngsters will cope.

How will they cope with running rounds? Will Johnson have to run the relay prelims in order for Green island to qualify? Lots of questions to be answered.

BTW Green Island is definitely doing something right. Who is the coach?

 
Headley 2015-03-03 10:10:25 

In reply to rudebway

If I hear anything positive I will let you know.

 
JoeGrine 2015-03-03 12:48:49 

In reply to Headley

Michael McIntosh coaches at GIHS.
Yes Class 3 is somewhat unpredictable, however, the class of Garriques (previous finalist), Chambers (his brother has the C2 100m record), Scott (prep school sensation) and Pinnock cannot be discounted.

 
rudebway 2015-03-03 13:08:11 

In reply to Headley

Please do....went last year and had a blast....was in the section with the KC noisemakers....

 
Headley 2015-03-03 19:04:26 

In reply to JoeGrine

Thanks. I had heard the name a couple years ago when Odail Todd was making waves.

I wondered about the Jago Chambers connection but thought it was just coincidence. Really looking forward to see this youth in action.

When they are really good like Christopher Tayor it dosen't matter which school they are from.

 
Headley 2015-03-03 19:04:57 

In reply to rudebway

Will let you know, one way or the other.

 
RoyalDad 2015-03-03 20:02:43 

In reply to Headley

Check TrackAlerts.com and you will see various videos.As for class 3,KC will reap big in this event.A Smith,Rajae Scott and Wayne Pinnock will be gangbusters for the purples here.Pinnock is what Russell was for Cbar in the hurdles last year.And Smith and Scott look to bang 1,2 in the sprints,not to mention the 4x1 where we have an overwhelming advantage.The kid Chambers may drop in between somewhere,but the points will be there.Headley,dont concede yet.The big picture looks better than you think.

 
Headley 2015-03-04 12:40:24 

In reply to RoyalDad

The kid Chambers may drop in between somewhere,but the points will be there.


Yes Chambers will be in there. I know the class 3 is deep. You've not even mentioned Houston or Peart.

Cbar will pick up points in the open events. If our field events were better we could counter there. I am hearing that we may have some distance runners so that is good news.

Exciting times ahead.

Thanks Track Alerts has been catching up with Gibson Mc Cook 2015 since yesterday. The only one that's missing now is the class 1 4x800.

 
jahmekyah 2015-03-04 19:28:12 

Summary of Gibson McCook Relay

Link Text

 
Headley 2015-03-04 19:57:39 

In reply to jahmekyah

Two of the six KC wins came in Class Four, which isn't contested at Champs. Those wins nevertheless drew attention. In the 4x100m, KC clocked 44.44 seconds, just off the record of 44.38 by the likes of Tyreke Wilson, Christopher Taylor and Dejour Russell, key members of the current Calabar Class Two wonder team.

If that young group of Purples stays healthy, they, too, could break 42 seconds in Class Three.

- Hubert Lawrence has attended Champs since 1980


The good thing about this group is that it's not a group of 4. It's a group of 7.

 
RoyalDad 2015-03-05 07:39:44 

In reply to Headley

The current KC class 3,is it 1st year?? If yes,we're in very good shape down the road,with class 4 banging on the door.Now,as you alluded to earlier,I cant imagine Cbar coach possibly hiding his "better" class 3 team and letting all speculate that they have nothing to compete with.I seriously doubt it,but.....4 more weeks we'll know.

 
JoeGrine 2015-03-05 07:43:08 

In reply to Headley

The difference between this (KC) group and the CHS group from 2013/14 is that the CHS group was totally dominant winning (100-200-400-100mH & 4x100) breaking records along the way. KC will have to establish that dominance and winning the 4x100 & 4x200 at Gibson is the place to start. Will KC dominate Jago and JC? That is the question to be answered, the good thing for KC, however, is that CHS is nowhere in sight in either Class 3 or 4.

 
RoyalDad 2015-03-05 09:12:47 

In reply to JoeGrine

Well,that seems to be the case right now.Both Smith and Scott look to dominate the sprints barring Chambers upsetting.JC I don't think will factor here.KC will win the 4x1 same class as they proved at Gibson.Pinnock is the best class 3 hurdler right now( as was Russell for Cbar last year)I don't have any leads on our 400 class 3,and this event could be our weak link.We will get majority points here,anyway you cut it.Cbar is nowhere on the board.

 
JoeGrine 2015-03-05 12:09:10 

In reply to RoyalDad

400m - a difference between the CHS '14 team and this KC team, that CHS team had no weakness, nevertheless, KC will pick up points here. CHS is similarly weak in the 400m and yes Pinnock is a strong favorite for the 100mH, however, don't count those points just yet.
Haslam (JC) will join Chambers and Garriques of Jago in trying to separate the KC sprint duo.

 
RoyalDad 2015-03-05 12:37:39 

In reply to JoeGrine

Boss,you went to KC?

 
JoeGrine 2015-03-05 19:18:26 

In reply to RoyalDad

No Mr. Royalty

 
Headley 2015-03-05 19:38:16 

In reply to RoyalDad

Both you and Joe have the same information so there is no dispute about the facts. You're seeing the glass half full and Joe is seeing it half empty. lol lol

We could pull out a spread sheet and try to score the points but that would spoil the fun. Less than 4 weeks to go before we have the answer. lol

 
Headley 2015-03-05 19:59:11 

In reply to JoeGrine

Do you expect O'Hara to run the 100m? I am thinking the 200m is there for the taking. He has no competition unlike the 100m where Chambers, Allen, Robinson and Walker could create an upset. Who knows even Okeen Williams.

I hear he does not like the 100m and last year he false started, so why let him run the 100m?

 
JoeGrine 2015-03-05 20:19:57 

In reply to Headley

I can see O'Hara going 200m, 110mH and both relays. CHS has the 100m replacements (Clarke, Walker or Selvin) to place 2 in the finals, however, they cannot guarantee same in the 200m or the 110mH without O'Hara. They will probably for insurance purposes keep him for the 4x400 if they need big point there.

My "spread sheet" have CHS winning. Of course, all spread sheets assume all things being equal.

 
Headley 2015-03-05 20:51:45 

In reply to JoeGrine

The only issue I see is the four events on Sat night.

Of course he would only be doing the fourth if it's close. With the adrenaline flowing, if he has to do the 4x400 I guess it will not matter.

The battle with Hyde should be a classic.

 
RoyalDad 2015-03-06 18:30:51 

In reply to Headley

I went to a KC alumni dinner about 8yrs ago in Queens NY an Michael Holding was the guest speaker.Cbar had won the champs the previous year(could be wrong) and Holding said they were just borrowing the trophy.He was correct as KC took back champs the next year.It's all about the speculation and pinpointing where the points will come. It makes for great anticipation.As for OHara,how many events is an athlete allowed to enter??I agree he is better suited for the 200 as he will get stiff comp from Chambers and comp.going the 100.My spread sheet is overly optimistic for KC.

 
RoyalDad 2015-03-06 20:57:56 

In reply to JoeGrine

Do you think Wilson has made up 4 meters on Matherson for the 100 and a good 8 meters in the 200??Last year Matherson finished 2nd in the 100 in 10.37. Wilson ran 10.80; In the 200 Matherson won in 20.95 whereas Wilson won in 21.74.