In both innings,Shiv was our Slowest batsman. Yet he is the eldest and most experienced among the lot and this has been the pattern for a while.
Yes he has served WI cricket very well but with his increasing age and declining form and the fact that we now have some batsmen who are threatening to burst through the door, is it good for WI cricket that we persist with him beyond this current series? I say no, .....it's now time to give him a nudge and have him retire honourably after the Barbados Test!!
In the past Shiv would have been the ideal batsman to save this Test for us but not even that he can now do. It was a joy watching 23 yr old Holder bat
but with Shiv it's oh so tortuous. Further with Craig B in the team...and believe it or not, he bats faster than Shiv, we really can't afford two Shivs in the same team.
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Why this should be Shiv's Last Series...........
In reply to Hendra
lewee stop pussyfootin round Selfish Paul.
Now watch de SBL come running
In reply to Hendra
In both innings,Shiv was our Slowest batsman. Yet he is the eldest and most experienced among the lot and this has been the pattern for a while
What does that mean? Explain
[b]In reply to black[/tHis painfully slow scoring rate
In reply to Hendra
So we would have won if he batted faster?
How many times that slow batting saved us from embarrassment?
In reply to black
SBL #1
Next?
[b]In reply to Babylon[/b
You know you behave just like an opposition party - you have to oppose
Of course Shiv has saved us many times but we cannot continue with him indefinitely with his declining performance and the fact that there are now younger players breathing down his neck. You need to look at my post in context.
In reply to Hendra
Bro I bin saying this fe the last 2 years Shiv ain't no help to the team. Him focus just pon records. thank u Shiv time to move on.
Shiv can continue for the next 10 years....all he would have to make is 1 century and 5 50s .....de.shmit did that..
In reply to Hendra
If you want the West Indies to be competitive now Shiv does that for us.
If you want to lose now to build for the future then bring in a youngster.
But then don't complain when the batting crumbles. Whenever it does you hear cries for Shiv.
Remember, we drew that match off of a 100 by a guy picked as a bowler.
In reply to nick2020
These fellas don't understand the concept of transition (don't think the wicb either). Shiv is needed for at least another year to provide that experience in the middle. Without shiv, Samuels becomes our most experienced batsman. Now that's frightening
A set of ungrateful bastards on this board.
Yuh complain bout slowness....in test cricket...alyuh memory short eh...alyuh done forget RSA already...alyuh done forget 3 and 4 day test matches...didn't Shiv and Blackwood save we skunt in first innings of this test....alyuh underestimate the presence of Shiv and his contribution to Blackwood's eventual ton
In the past Shiv would have been the ideal batsman to save this Test for us but not even that he can now do.
Shiv....the machine....must always average 60 + to justify his place in the team...right?
Yess...ungrateful bastards...alyuh shoot the ole horse when he still running....alyuh can't wait till he STOP
Jus because alyuh THINK alyuh have some young stallion to replace him
Of course this could be his last series...he is at cricket retirement age...but why look for performance excuse...he is not doing worse than his younger counterparts
In the match...runs by players batting higher
Smith 76
Braffit 44
Bravo 42
Samuels 56
Shuv 59
In reply to Narper
Yaawn
In reply to Babylon
You and a few others simply hate Shiv, don't you?
Shiv remains in the team for one reason only. WI cannot find a suitable replacement for him, despite all his shortcomings - being slow, selfish, etc.
Shiv's age works more against him with each match he plays, but he is still the most valuable batsman in the team in the present circumstances.
Hating Shiv is symptomatic of the state of WI cricket affairs in general - backwardness.
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
By your thought process, Sir E should be stay be playing, he is ninety
In reply to Norm
bro u miss de boat. Shiv can mek a ton or double it doant matter. The more him bat the more him dig a hole for de team cause him mek no effort fe up the tempo or dictate. Nuff man get out cause Shiv cause pressure fe pile up and the opposition get pon top and men got fe attack to break the shackles. Shiv doant care bowt attack him haff one intention not out.
A so me see it .
In reply to Hendra
don't you think that Shiv was one of the reasons WI did not lose the test?
Look at the partnership in the first innings and come again..
In reply to Master_Blaster
Yes he did but he is now 40 , his performance declining and there are younger players knocking at the door... So tell me when should Shiv go?
Welcome to the church!
In reply to Hendra
Who are these younger players?
In reply to Cole... shai hope.
In reply to natty_forever
Is that all?
They are four youngsters with test centuries, two of them with doubles.
If I were Simmons, I would let Shiv know, Australia will be his last International series.
In reply to tc1
That was sarcasm to the ungratefullness of this board towards a true servant of WI cricket.
Thought process not required if unconscious minds at play here
In reply to Dan_De_Lyan
So becuz he is a true servant of WI cricket we should continue with him even though he is NOT performing. Strange logic guy!!
In reply to Hendra
How many games has Shiv failed exactly? Look at Marlon for the last 2 games and then here he is with 94* . What is really wrong with you guys?
O di muddierony
Shud da gone since 2 yrs ago...
Dem shud study him for new theory called Diminshiving Team Returns
In reply to SamlordPirate
In reply to SamlordPirate
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
In reply to SamlordPirate
Dumbass...in 2013 he averaged 58 with 2 tons a 1x50....in 2014 he averaged 71 with 1 ton and 3x50
Nothing much in 2015 so far....but look out....when it comes you will crawl back in dat dark hole
In reply to Narper
what's the value to Windies again?
You better hope dem don't prepare bouncy track at KO...
You ever chewed gum beyond its relevance?
In reply to SamlordPirate
More value than many of his team mates COMBINED
Yuh right...ah doan want dem to kill Braffit
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