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... for the way he used the Angel - sparingly. The tight bowling of Holder, Taylor and Samuels also helped to make the decision easier.

Talk Nah!

nah...some ah dem just waiting to pounce when things go bad

In reply to ray


... and dats why the MB sort of dried up when we won the Test match.





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In reply to Ewart

SOmetimes I wonder about people...is like they thrive on failure

It is always usueful to evaluate situations for improvement- especially when there is a good outcome because it can camouflage errors. Ramdim falls down in his use of bowlers. There was no reason to continue with Samuels beyond the over to finish the previous day. That costs us about 15 runs. If a spinner were to bowl it ought to have been the genuine spinner in Permaul. In addition, Ramdin is too defensive to incoming batsmen and too defensive in general

In reply to Headley

LIME or DIGICEL?

In reply to Ewart

Be Honest Guys.

We won but just because we won does not mean that we won because of GOOD CAPTAINCY. He made some good moves but also some clear errors. For example, bowling Gabriel so little and Samuels more at times were glaring errors. At times he released pressure when he should be increasing it.

Lots of things in life happen inspite of bad decisions and most multipole activity jobs as Captaincy have bad and good decisions.

Simmons and staff have to break this down and go over all these decisions, including the downright foolish ones despite the fact that WE WON. There were a whole lot of half attack, half defensive unclear captaincy from Ramdin.

The aim must be to get better as a Captain.

This board Back-scratcing and high fiveing and celebrating Ramdin's CAPTAINCY because we won ASOLITARY TEST just exposes the low standard we hold our cricket to.

In reply to Tagwa1

WHy should we not celebrate because we won a test?

In reply to ray

I don't know bout not celebrating... I understand that.

I don't know I said about CELEBRATING Ramdin's CAPTAINCY.

To not see that we won, but that we still have glaring errors (Like some of Ramdin's moves) is kinda like celebrating a jail release without rehabilitation.

You going right back.

And I'm not waiting to pounce. I am pouncing now, when its unpopular..because in the end I just want us to get better.

In reply to Headley

For what exactly ? What was the brilliant piece of captaincy that we can credit to him ?

If Gabriel was very effective you think Ramdin wouldn't bowl him more .?

Ramdin is probably the best fit for captaincy cause it allows us to balance the team easier but don't get confused and think he warrants the position for his acumen as a captain. To be frank he is no better than average as a captain.

In reply to smuggler

Very good observations on the balance.

In reply to Tagwa1

As opposed to:

Give Ramdin some credit... for using Angel sparingly.


Am I to understand that the latter is the same as the former?

In reply to Headley

No. I understand your comments. I still believed he bowled him too little. But the bigger problem was the Samuels spells at times and the defensive, offensive field, almost aimless at times.

So I don't believe it was Captaincy worth celebrating as some other responses and threads suggest.

ITS ONE TEST anyway, so my celebration is kinda muted, even though we earned a draw in an important series.

In reply to Tagwa1

I havent watched most of the series so I can't comment on his captaincy. I agree that we always have to look to improve. But the results of the series suggests we did something right against the #3 team in the world

Brilliant captaincy ... by not over working the Angel had the Angel looking better than he ever has, yet that nuance flew over you all head.

In reply to Tagwa1

It is not that we won a test.
That victory saved a series and our team drew instead of lost a series.
You can quantify that can you?

Good on Ramdin...although they call him Dunc-y...

This shows we NEED another STRIKE bowler be it a spinner or fast man.

Ramdin had to juggle fields because our bowlers ARE STILL NOT DISCIPLINED in line and length.

No bowler can spot 6 balls on the off stick. none. Inclusive of the spinners. That shows you the quality.

I have no problem with giving Ramdin some credit at least he captained the game. So is Ambrose, Simmons and Lloyd who all had a part to play.

But yesterday a poster started a thread giving Otis Gibson the credit for all his hard work which he claimed is now paying off. Now that is really stretching the accolades ....

In reply to sudden
It is always usually to evaluate situations for improvement- especially when there is a good outcome because it can camouflage errors. Ramdim falls down in his use of bowlers. There was no reason to continue with Samuels beyond the over to finish the previous day. That costs us about 15 runs. If a spinner were to bowl it ought to have been the genuine spinner in Permaul. In addition, Ramdin is too defensive to incoming batsmen and too defensive in general

Agreed

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
If that move had brought him a wicket, then what would you have said? Brilliant?

In reply to runout

No...lucky I'd say

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

Bro...lucky? Then when he fails you should call him unlucky, no?

In reply to runout

Yup. Sometimes it is bad luck

In reply to Tagwa1

Maybe you don't give Ramdin enough credit for being able to read the situation...and more importantly...the pitch.


If I were captain, I would have bowled Gabriel more. I would have put more pressure on the new batsmen when they first come in.

But

Think about it.

Bringing in 3 slips and a gully....forward short leg and a silly mid off to a new batsman supposedly puts the batsman under pressure. But it also increases his scoring options making getting off the mark easier. In addition, with that kind of field to an experienced bat (say an Ian Bell)...who is more under pressure? The batsman or the bowler...to put it in the right area?

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

Leadership, I find, is a process. It is also instinctive. And so there appears a clash between those two notions. But is it so?

In reply to Ewart

It just occurred to me that there can be no greater curse in life than the inability to celebrate success, even moderate success - except of course, having a parent afflicted with that curse.

Strange that the MB should go quiet after a victory, but be flooded with comments after a loss.

In reply to imusic


Sometimes I wonder,does some of our posters have any cricket sense,I hope they have read your post,and learnt a few things.When a captain plans to attack,the situation must suit him 100%,the situation that confronted Ramdin was about 20% attack,and 80% defend,we just didn't have the bowlers to do it.

In reply to natty_forever

I am struggling to see Gabriel's usefulness then. What is his over limit?

In reply to nick2020

Bro...look at the scoreboard...you will see his value.

In reply to Headley... because nuff badmind peeps get shut up

In reply to nick2020... the captains knows

In reply to natty_forever

You may be right. Someone said a few months ago that many posters don't support the team, they support their home boys.