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Were they all Spurs and Knicks fans?

Wise heads said at the start of the Playoffs that GSW were not sufficiently experienced to go all the way. In spite of sage advice I have decided to bet my house on the Warriors.

Still picking Lebron to beat them.

_r

In reply to Admin
Lebron to beat who? The Warriors or Hawks?

If yuh say the Warriors, then yuh must be joking.

If Lebron ends up playing against the Warriors and Lebron wins it all, I will ask for a self-imposed ban of 30 days.

If Lebron chokes against the Warriors, you must agree to having Wackie ban you for 30 days.

Agree?

In reply to DukeStreet

Sadly..Admin is right.

The Warriors have had one huge piece of fortune. The Clips win over the Spurs took out the one team in the West who defends the 3 and who would have caned them.

Matchups are everything in the NBA and the Cavs matchup great vs the Warriors.

That being said the Rockets were very close to beating them.

I have to say Harden has been spectacular.

In reply to Admin

If Cleveland beats the winner of GS/HOU I will quit coming to the backroom until you come back to the rum shop.

In reply to Commie

How is Admin right.

That is speculation that Spurs would have beaten GSW. What we do know is Spurs lost to Clips who lost to Rockets. The way the Rockets are playing they would have probably won vs Spurs by nature of having home court.

GSW wins next game. Goes up 3-0.

I thought Hawks would beat the Cavs but this next game is do or die.

In reply to Commie



It will be the Cavs and GSW in the finals. The basketball gods will not have it any other way.

The Oracle speaketh...

SO...the only way GSW could survive in these playoffs is if they didn't meet the Spurs.

What a load of codswaddle.

In reply to imusic

Funnily enough its a strong body of opinion amongst the online Warriors forums esp realgm.

Basketball like many sports is about matchups.

Well you as a Raps fan would never have encountered that.

In reply to nick2020

The Rockets matchup horribly vs the Spurs.

Howard inability to hit free throws vs a savvy coach alone is a huge issue.

In reply to Headley

Bet every dollar you can find on the Warriors.The finals is going to be a cake walk playing Cleveland with no reliable bench.

In reply to NYCGURU

Yes sir every dollar.

62 - 37 halftime. The Houston rush is coming. This is the NBA we expect a fight, but 25 points is a lot to overcome.

In reply to Headley

Your call is looking good.

2015 Warriors is #4 all-time best NBA team

Good summary.

Link

In reply to Commie

Just called my doctor to get medication in anticipation of GSW vs. Cavs.

In reply to Headley

You won't need the medication as Cleveland have no bench and Kyre is hobbled.When the Cavs gave up Wiggins for Kevin Love,they made a collasol blunder that will haunt them for years to come.

In reply to NYCGURU

Cleveland's bench is not deep but LaBron is the kind of player who can do a lot with very little. I wont accept that he's done until GSW has 4 games in the bag. My advice to GSW would be try not to make those games tight.

My observation on LaBron is that he needs space inside to do his damage. That's why he excels when there's a 3 point shooter on his team who's hot and able to spread the floor.

I believe if Miami had kept Mike Miller, LaBron might still be in Miami. When they explained the decision by saying it was a business decision to save $6M I believe LaBrom decided that he also had to make a business decision.

Check out this great story from Shaun Livingston.

Shaun Livingston's seven-year road to recovery.

In reply to Headley

Thanks for the read. This guy was supposed to be the next big thing before the injury.Can't help but root for a guy who has gone through so much adversity and has such a healthy perspective.Lebrons impact on winning cannot be minimized nor can his greatness,but this Warriors team is very special.

Cleveland will win the Championship

In reply to ray

Maybe if it was best of 1.

In reply to ray

The only way Cavs win title is Delly going after Curry legs. And I wont put it passed him. He is a dirty Aussie that I cannot stand.

In reply to Headley

The basketball gods are angry at Lebron and the Cavs for trading Wiggins for Love.Their eternal lament is going to be only if we had waited.

In reply to NYCGURU

How come they're not mad that the Hawks barely showed up for the ECF? or that Houston is just wasting time and space?
The gods are too damn fickle.

Bron Bron in they backside. He will be the first player since the great Bill Russell to go to five straight finals.

_r

In reply to Admin

He will also go 2-4 and damage his legacy even further if GSW beat the Cavs.

In reply to Commie

I get that having a losing record in the finals is not good. How does making it to the finals twice with teams who were "fortunate" to make it that far damage his legacy?

I think Cavs may have lucked out with Love's injury to be honest

I don't see any way on god's green earth that the cavs can beat beat the warriors. You are talking about a complete team vs. a one man show. This will be cleaveland/spurs final all over again. Atlanta and the rest of the east was pure garbage.

In reply to 1Desiabnu

Cleveland matchup very very well with GS.

The West is overrated IMO, but thats because of the Spurs so it is justified.

Look at how Miami handled OKC.

Blatt is highly underrated as a coach btw. The main issue is Kyrie health.

In reply to 1Desiabnu

Well all they have to do score more points. Sure the Cavs will be the underdog but it's not impossible. Can y'all calm down already. Wasn't the Cavs supposed to lose to Atlanta?

In reply to Commie

Agreed. Cavs will need Kyrie to have a realistic chance.

has there ever been an NBA final with two rookie coaches before?

In reply to 1Desiabnu

I picked the Warriors to win it all when Spurs got knocked out, but the Cavs have a chance if Kyrie is back to being the Kyrie that could torch any defense on a given night.
The Knicks cough cough, I mean the Cavs have Shumpert and JR who defend the 3 pt line very well, and we've seen the Warriors look human when the 3 pt shot isn't falling, like Games 2 & 3 against Memphis.

In reply to jamgirl

There is no asterisk saying fortunate to get that far applied on NBA records.

In reply to Commie

That's all??

In reply to jamgirl

Given where his fans are trying to place him, saying he needs more help wont go down well. He has won (and lost) when his teams are stacked, and lost when they are not.

Pretty normal.

In reply to Commie

He will be greater than Jordan when it's all said and done. By a lot.

_r

In reply to Admin

No he won't. By alot.

You are mistaking statistical greatness with something far more substantial.

Even when he was losing Jordan nor Bird were made to look as befuddled and lost as both Dallas and the Spurs made him look.

Did you forget what happened last year?

In reply to Commie

IMO if as youngster you can take a pick up team to the finals that's legacy enhancing but maybe I don't understand how legacies work.

Sure the argument can be made about his Miami run which is 2-2.

And we still haven't played the finals as yet

In reply to jamgirl

The Miami team was stacked with THREE allstars in their prime. That is unprecedented as far as the league goes.

So as far as legacy shaping, whilst nearly all the greats had significant help, its not like Lebron was dealing with less a stacked deck, he had MORE.

Wade is a top 5 SG of all time, Bosh a top 20 PF of all time, and Lebron is possibly the top SF of all time. And al three were in their primes !

Thats why they went, not one, not two , not three etc.

So in relative terms they failed.

This year is an impressive run, though not his most efficient because he has had to carry that team, however again, the pressure of winning the finals is legacy shaping. If he wins he remains on course. if he doesnt, he take a knock.

It is what it is. Lebron is held by a different standard, because he is.

In reply to jamgirl

Point well taken.

In reply to Commie

Really, LeBron had more stars than the other greats? SMDH.

In reply to Commie

I don't agree that LeBron had more than the other greats. The rest of your points are well taken and I can't disagree with those.

In reply to jamgirl

It is a subjective view.

I have to say this run has given me a new found respect for Lebron except that moment last game when he lay on the floor crying like a baby about a call and left his team to play 4 on 5 in the dying moments of the game.

If Kyrie is healthy, Lebron could tear this GSW a new one. The one time he faced them this season he destroyed them.

The league is going love the matchup for their ratings.

In reply to Commie

Debates regarding Legacy are very subjective.Am of the opinion that Lebron taking the Cavs to the final was more of an accomplishment than the two rings he won with the heat.That to me was right up there with the two Nets teams that Jason Kidd took to the finals.Lebrons greatness is already cemented whether he wins another ring or not.

In reply to jamgirl

Jammy, he had more, no 2 ways about that.

With that said, years ago he took the Cavs to the finals and lost 4-0 to the Spurs - that was a big achievement. My guess is that he will again advance to the finals and will lose (again).

The 1st year he went to the finals with Miami, he choked bad. The last year, the Spurs played unbelievably well.

I cannot take anything away from him, but with this many losses in the finals, he starts to look like South Africa (ok, that's a bit hyperbolic).

In reply to Commie

Back in 1984 your Celts were pushed to seven games by my Kicks.You boasted: Larry Legend,McHale an all time great power forward,Parish,Dennis Johnson,Maxwell,Ainge,Wedman and Carr.That is a loaded core.The Bulls won 55 games the year after Jordan left and came within one dubious call of going back to another finals.The point being,they all had very talented supporting cast.

In reply to NYCGURU

There is no doubt about Lebrons greatness. Top 10 already.

As for Larry Legend, dont forget as a rookie he fashioned the biggest turnaround of a franchise, +36 as he took the Celtics from the ashes to the finals. I think only the Spurs, when the Admiral came back to join Duncan had as big a turnaround.

Larry had Tiny Archibald and half a season of Pistol Pete on his last legs. I was too young to know how good he was then, but now I know

The Celtics had almighty battles with the Hawks, the Bucks and the 76ers too. Lets not forget the 80's East was way more competitive than it is now. Jordan couldnt get past the Celts and the Pistons and I doubt Lebron and this cast would go anywhere faced with the same East.

However his Miami team were stacked.

I think the biggest issue is that MJ was a stone cold killer who refused to lose, and Lebron has visibly shrunk in at least two defining series, vs Dallas and vs San Antonio. And had Ray Allen not bailed him out, the list would be longer.

I dont hold the first series vs the Spurs to much as it was incredible that he got the Cavs that far. That actually was a huge plus for his rep, as he was almost like that Allan iverson led Philly drive.

In reply to Commie

You realise Jordan had two hall-of-famers (plus himself) on his championship teams, right? Plus Horace Grant.

_r

In reply to HumbleCalf

More how? If you say he had similar help a say Magic, MJ and Kobe I will agree but more?
Nah B. I'm not buying that.

In reply to Admin

Grant became an allstar when Jordan went to play baseball. The 91-93 Bulls was a burgeoning dynasty but they were not the Miami heat in terms of established stars. The 95-97 Bulls...yes that was a stacked team who had arrived.

93 John Paxson averaged like 4 ppg. Through the first 3 years, Grant averaged 12 points.

Wade had 8 plus Allstars and was in his prime, Bosh had 7 plus allstars and was in his prime as well.

In reply to Admin

Not sure what you're smoking but whatever it is, I want some.

In reply to DukeStreet

Might drive you crazy

In reply to Commie
The bottom line folks need to realize is the 90s Bulls had very good players with Pippen being the lone "great" player, outside of the incomparable MJ. Miami, with The Big Three, had 3 "great" players on board, with a solid supporting cast. As such, they accomplished a lot but should have dominated more.

LeBron, as great as he is, sometimes has the tendency to shrink or lose focus against certain opposition. Something MJ really never did at any point in his illustrious career.

In reply to DukeStreet

Bosh as the third banana averaged more than Pippen as the second banana in the first couple title runs.

People underestimate both the cast and Lebrons desire to ensure he put together a winning team.

He is the best head coach he has worked with

In reply to Commie
True dat. But on another note, in the back of your mind, did you feel Wade was the true "background" leader in that stretch run?

In reply to DukeStreet

Wade was always the alpha.

Lebron has an opportunity to set that right, and strangely I think he can. Whether he will is another thing.

His inner child might take over.

In reply to DukeStreet

I agree that Pippin was great (Jordan cloned him by years of one on one morning training BEFORE the evening team training) and the rest were good, except that I would add that Jordan's supporting cast was not just good but even more important RELIABLE. In Kerr, Grant, Cartwright and Rodman you had the perfect back-up guys who knew their role and could do it every night, not three nights out of four. My enduring memory is that whenever Jordan seemed to be out of options and the clock was running down he could always find Kerr on the perimeter perfectly positioned to 'swish' the three.

The Miami supporting cast was good but not reliable. For one glorious final series in 2013 when Miller was hitting the threes they were incomparable.

LaBron is trying to create a reliable team this year and it's coming together nicely. Shumpert, Smith, Love and Thompson also have a strong financial advantage to die for Bron Bron. Not to mention the warm glow of the honeypot LaBron got for his good friend Mike Miller.

LaBron will find a way, maybe not this year but next year.

In reply to Headley

Very well reasoned points that am in agreement with for the most part.Am of the opinion however,that the Cavs have squandered a golden opportunity to match the Warriors young core of Curry Thompson and Green with a core of Lebron,Wiggins and Irving. Trying to fit Love who is accustomed to being a fist option and a max player with Kyre and Lebron two ball dominant players was always going to be tricky.While he is a better shooter than Thompson,his defense is non existent. Lebron just stated that Thompson should be a Cavs for life,and the fact that he turned down a $52 mil four year offer at the beginning of the season,makes you wonder what he will command at years end. All signs seems to point to Love leaving at years end.Tricky situation awaits as no team can afford to pay max dollars for two guys playing the same position.

In reply to NYCGURU

As I said before I think the cavs are better off without Love so yes they should have kept Wiggins around but I think Wiggins is better off in Minne

In reply to Headley

Phil forced Jordan to share the ball. He also benched him so he wud not win the scoring title. otherwise he may have ended like Barkley, ringless.

In reply to NYCGURU

Thompson is represented by Lebrons agency.

Everything is massaged.

In reply to NYCGURU

Preseason I think Love was expected to be a player with immediate impact. Wiggins was expected to be a medium term project. It is also useful in Cleveland and other markets to have a dominant white player.

Yes even if Love stays Thompson would be the starter. He is more valuable to the CAVs for his defence than his offence. But as you said I expect Love will be gone in order to pay Shumper, Smith and Thompson what they deserve/demand.

In reply to Commie

LaBron and Thompson share the same agent.

It's just that those who LaBrom favour tend to get well rewarded. See my link above.

In reply to Headley

Rich Paul is also Lebrons business partner.

Am I losing my mind of did the first ballot hall-of-famer Dennis Rodman not play for the Chicago Bulls in three championship years?

The championship teams of 1996, 1997 and 1998 had THREE FUCKING FIRST BALLOT HALL OF FAMERS!



_r

In reply to Admin

Didn't I say they were a stacked team who had arrived?

In reply to Commie

It's this dismissive, flippant nonsense that makes me wonder if I'm losing my mind:

Does this guy Headley have a clue who Rodman was?

_ryan

In reply to Admin

Rodman is only the greatest rebounder the NBA has ever seen or likely will see and had the greatest win impact of nearly any player in history.

Its easy to overlook him.

In reply to Admin

Headley spelt LeBron's name wrong twice.

Maybe that was enough to tell you...

In reply to Commie

Explain this one. Maybe if LeBron scores 40 points every night.

The X factor of the matchup will vs Klay Thompson from the GSW and J.R. Smith for the Cavs. If Klay shoots better (more like his season numbers) from beyond the arc I expect the Cavs to get swept.

In reply to nick2020

They matchup well because the Cave strength is perimeter defence and GS depend heavily on the 3 ball.

In addition GS have noone remotely close to being able to defend Lebron. its not like the Spurs who have Kawhi or Chicago with Butler. Dray is a very good defender but he just does not have the mobility or strength of those two.

In reply to Commie

No one can guard LeBron.

LeBron's Finals 2014 numbers - Link
His 2013 ppg numbers were down but Kawhi was a better defender in 2014 vs 2013 and LeBron did more in 2014 because he "had to" with Wade looking old.

The GSW are the #1 rated offense and defense in the league. They really are a great team. 67 wins.

We will see what happens but LeBron is either going to have to play out of his mind for 4 games or the warriors will have to suffer injury/meltdown.

In reply to Commie

Oh and I can pretty much guess what is going to happen to Cavs perimeter def...

It is going to be destroyed.
The oooooooonly saving grace will be LeBron barreling his way to the basket looking to get fouls.

Where is Scottie Pippen's knack for taking a charge when you need him?

In reply to Commie

Have always respected your take regarding hoops.However,you have lost me here. Butler and Leonard are in no way shape or form stronger than Draymond Green.

In reply to NYCGURU

No but they are in combination more mobile AND strong.

Green was torched horribly by Lebron the one time he played them.

He just isn't mobile enough. He can do well guarding taller less quick players but not Lebron.

The big question for Cleveland will be Kyrie's health. If he's not 100% for all the games, they can lose. Steph will torch Delly if Kyrie goes down.

I'm still picking Bron Bron to win it in six.

_r

PS: Harrison Barnes is a guy I'd love on my team.

In reply to Admin

With Green likely to get close to a max deal this summer,it makes you wonder how they are going to be able to reward Barnes when his contract is up.Man do i envy them with all the young talent they have.My team give away draft picks like they are nothing going for quick fixes.

In reply to NYCGURU

+1. Imagine their highest paid player David Lee can't smell the court. And he is a double-double machine that can start on 99% of all other NBA teams. It's amazing what they've been able to put together in Golden State.

_r

In reply to Admin

I was discussing Michael Jordan and the players who played with him. I made the point that a number of those players knew their roles and I refer to them as perfect back-up guys.

One of those guys happens to be Dennis Rodman who was perhaps the GREATEST ROLE PLAYER in the history of the game. The fact that he was a multiple all star is not the point I was addressing in 200 words.

If that puts your drawers in a twist so be it. I suspect I watched the same games you did and I don't know that you have any monopoly on NBA information.

The other comments by the rabble are as usual entertaining.

In reply to Headley

Rodman was more than a great role player though. He was the greatest rebounder in the history of the game and an all NBA defender. Those are not just roles. They are critical aspects of winning.

In reply to Commie

Indubitably. That was NOT my point. I was discussing the reliability of the Jordan supporting cast in the context of other supporting casts

In reply to Commie

Rodman is pigeon-holed as the greatest rebounder in NBA history. Imagine that! You can legitimately refer to him as the greatest rebounder and still undervalue him.

Not many realize how great a defender he was. Case in point, Chicago v Utah in 1998 when he had to neutralize a wider, stronger Karl Malone. Malone won most of that battle but in crunch time, it was Rodman who was involved in the key stops, including the famous Jordan steal that led to the famous push-off and pose.

He was in no way a role player. He was a legit member of a Big-3 in Chicago.

_r

In reply to Admin

4-3 GSW wins.

Bron Bron had superstar-ish players in Miami and still could not kill like MJ did for his two 3-peats and 6 finals MVPs
he will do the same against GSW: bedazzle us with talent - but not have his ring in 2015.

On LeBron in general.

Admin, your LeBron is a massive talent. As talented/gifted as MJ - if not moreso. But as a NBA court killer - he still sits behind the blood thirsty Jordan in his prime. Prime for Prime - MJ would win more games (at any level) than Bron.

Michael was not a nice guy on the court. Losing was NOT an option.

When we speak of Rodman: A little acknowledged FACT is that Rodmans stats actually declined (*drastically* until 98 season) as a Bulls player - yet the team KILLED all comers. Why?
No Admin: not that reason. it was because they had a killer named Jordan.

MJ is GOAT.

The truth is, my predictions have not gone so well this season. I have picked the correct Teams most times but, I picked the Spurs, Toronto and Wizards and they fact up my predictions.

Anyway, here goes: Warriors in 7.

Kerr is a better coach than we thought, Curry is waaay better than I thought and the bench is deep. BTW, when they traded away Monta Ellis and kept Curry, I raised my eyebrow..hmmmm. Back to the deep bench, we have not seen much of Speights and he is very good. Maybe he can slow down Tristan Thompson.

LeBron will do his thing, you cannot stop him - don't double team him, double team Kyrie and box in Thompson.

Different topic, Warriors win championship and relocates to San Francisco...ungrateful SOBs.

Cavs will win

7 games

In reply to ray

So they will beat Warriors in Oakland, in a game 7. Possible but improbable. When dat crowd start cheering, Blatt gwine get 'fraid like Monty.

In reply to pelon

You are close but it will be GSW in 4 - 2. LeBron will be required to do too much to level the series at 3-3. He will try but the GSW system will take a toll on the Cavs bench.

However if Mike Miller suddenly turns up to play all bets are off.

In reply to Headley

Corrected.

_ryan

In reply to pelon

Shit, I edited your post instead of replying to it. Damn weed.

_r

In reply to Admin
lol
Power and weed. Not weed alone.
So where de rass muh post gone?
dat is funny.
Here it is again:

GSW
pelon: 4-3
Headley: 4-2
nick2020: 4-3?
DukeStreet: 4-3

Cleveland
Admin: 4-2
defeyant: 4-2

In reply to pelon

Weed is power.

_r

In reply to Headley
Harden choked again. He is solidifying himself as a premier choker in clutch time.

GSW in 7 games.

I'm going 4-2 Cleveland cause ah tired a all de talk that going happen if lebron lose again

GSW
Headley: 4-2
pelon: 4-3
nick2020: 4-1
DukeStreet: 4-3
1Desiabnu: 4-1?? "I don't see any way on god's green earth that the cavs can beat beat the warriors."
Disciple: 4-3?? "I picked the Warriors to win it all when Spurs got knocked out"

Cleveland
Admin: 4-2
defeyant: 4-2

Keep em rolling.

Cleveland 4-2.

In reply to Commie

Last year I picked the Spurs to win 4-1 and alyuh pointed and laughed. I was vindicated beautifully. Let's see how my prediction ju-ju works this year.

_r

In reply to pelon

4-1 GSW

In reply to Admin

Actually I didnt laugh at all. I thought Spurs would win..not just that decisive and crippling a beatdown.

It literally drove Lebron home.

UPDATED:

GSW
Headley: 4-2
pelon: 4-3
nick2020: 4-1
DukeStreet: 4-3
1Desiabnu: 4-1?? "I don't see any way on god's green earth that the cavs can beat beat the warriors."
Disciple: 4-3?? "I picked the Warriors to win it all when Spurs got knocked out"

Cleveland
Admin: 4-2
defeyant: 4-2
Commie: 4-2

Keep em rolling.

In reply to pelon

4-1 is correct.

I thought GS should have played AI more on harden in the last series. Klay is a good a defender but I don't think he's elite. Lebron will torch him.

Anyway, rebounding will critical for the Cavs. With the Warriors jacking up 3s, Tristan Thompson has to be a beast down low.

Lebron will be bottled up and frustrated this series(by his standards).

In reply to pelon

Every year these Western Conference teams fool me with their lack of defense. So they always look really good until the finals.

So I may be a fool again.

Go West!

GSW 4 - Cleveland 0

In reply to imusic

I naah laugh, 'cause last year I laughed at Admin and dat neva work out suh good.

But seriously, did you hear that truck lick dung LeBron?

I have the most ardent Warriors supporter in my household and even he is (only) predicting 4-1.

In reply to HumbleCalf

I'm not a GS supporter or a LeBron hater

I just think GS is that much better than Cleveland

If Kyrie Irving were healthy....the Cavs might have pulled out a couple games.

UPDATED: 7 - 3 in favour of GSW

GSW
Headley: 4-2
pelon: 4-3
nick2020: 4-1
DukeStreet: 4-3
1Desiabnu: 4-1 "I don't see any way on god's green earth that the cavs can beat beat the warriors."
Disciple: 4-3?? "I picked the Warriors to win it all when Spurs got knocked out"
imusic: 4-0 "But seriously, did you hear that truck lick dung LeBron?"

Cleveland
Admin: 4-2
defeyant: 4-2
Commie: 4-2

Keep em rolling.

In reply to imusic

_ryan

In reply to pelon

wha happen..yuh in see I have Cavs in 7?

In reply to ray

wuh - leheme check. My bad. Updated above. Just have de money ready.

In reply to Admin

Serious thing - LeBron will murder GSW in game one.

I tekking dis to de hextreme:

Game 1 CAVS
GAME 2,3 GSW
GAME 4 CAVS
GAME 5 GSW
3-2 CSW at this point.
GAME 6 CAVS
GAME 7 GSW with LeBron once again telling an exasperated crowd: "it's only basketball*"

(*don't pretend you can't remember him saying that - when the Spurs beat dem Heat and mek dem disband)

In reply to pelon

4_2 Warriors

Cavs 4-2. Houston choked against the Warriors. GSW are vulnerable when the 3 ball is not falling and they turn it over a lot.
If Kyrie is 80% GSW will have their work cut out for them.

P.S. The Cavs have the #1 defense in the playoffs

In reply to pelon

Golden State 4-1

Cavs will win the NBA Championship. Talk done! I will come back to remind allyuh when series done

UPDATED: 9 - 5 in favour of GSW

GSW
Headley: 4-2
pelon: 4-3 "Game 1 CAVS GAMES 2,3 GSW the rest back and forth. GSW wins Game 7"
nick2020: 4-1
DukeStreet: 4-3
1Desiabnu: 4-1 "I don't see any way on god's green earth that the cavs can beat beat the warriors."
Disciple: 4-3?? "I picked the Warriors to win it all when Spurs got knocked out"
imusic: 4-0 "But seriously, did you hear that truck lick dung LeBron?"
NYCGURU: 4-2
Chally1: 4-1

Cleveland
Admin: 4-2
defeyant: 4-2
Commie: 4-2
problemjay: 4-0? "I will come back to remind allyuh when series done"
jamgirl: 4-2

Bump, action starts tomorrow 9PM

Is the 2-3-2 format still in play or did they change it back to 2-2-1-1-1?

In reply to Tryangle

2-2-1-1-1

_r

where these 4-1s and 4-0s for the Warriors come from? come on man wunnah know Lebron playing 1 on 5 is good for at least two wins.

In reply to Admin

I forgot about that change.

I´m sticking with GSW, even have my Curry jersey to celebrate with! LeBron will LeBron tho, so I think GSW takes it in 6!

Cavs have a dilemna in that they were so much better defensively when Matthew Bulloverdozer was playing when Kyrie was injured, but it meant LeBron had to generate all the offense. Kyrie is too short to guard Thompson, so I guess he will be forced to guard Curry, which wont end well for Cleveland.

In reply to Disciple

Good points. I like the way you think!

I'm still afraid of what Le Bron can do especially if the game is close. GSW will do well to take it in 6.

Late entry/guess, but going with Warriors in 6.

UPDATED: 10 - 5 in favour of GSW

GSW
Headley: 4-2
pelon: 4-3 "Game 1 CAVS GAMES 2,3 GSW the rest back and forth. GSW wins Game 7"
nick2020: 4-1
DukeStreet: 4-3
1Desiabnu: 4-1 "I don't see any way on god's green earth that the cavs can beat beat the warriors."
Disciple: 4-3?? "I picked the Warriors to win it all when Spurs got knocked out"
imusic: 4-0 "But seriously, did you hear that truck lick dung LeBron?"
NYCGURU: 4-2
Chally1: 4-1
Tryangle: 4-2 "Warriors in 6"

Cleveland
Admin: 4-2
defeyant: 4-2
Commie: 4-2
problemjay: 4-0? "I will come back to remind allyuh when series done"
jamgirl: 4-2

If GSW can't hit the three ball they are toast.

Last possession to Bron. What a game.

Not the best shot there Bron. Overtime here we come. I could watch these two teams for hours and hours.

Good D by Iggy.

In reply to Admin

Told you Bron would go off on the GSW in game 1. (de post u deleted)

I called this for Cavs from 3 pages ago, but in overtime - the home court advantage goes a long way...

In reply to pelon

Uncle Drew looks pretty gimpy.

Kyrie made of damn matchstick. Steeups.

GAME OVER!

CAVs yet to score in OT... damn! Great series pending.

In reply to pelon
great game

Iguodala was the difference in this game. Terrific defender.

On to game 2.

In reply to Admin

light up.

Nice win, and so far so good for team GSW

In reply to DukeStreet

yes sir!

In reply to Admin

Lebron took a horrible shot to close the game.

He had it in his hands and blew it.

And now Kyrie is injured...dis done.

In reply to pelon

Didn't you claim Bron Bron going steal game 1?

In reply to Commie

Bron also made a huge 3 to tie it up in regulation.

But no matter how big a shot he hits you see those plays from him when he look totally shook.

In reply to Commie
JR Smith went cold at the wrong time. You can take them out of NY but you can't take the NY out of them.

In reply to DukeStreet

Smith is like that.

In reply to Commie

Give Iggy credit on that last possession.

Big question. Do the Cavs have more than they gave last night?

My answer - no I don't think so. Hard to see those 7, maybe 6 playing any better. By game 4 the workload would have taken a toll.

On the opposite side, the GSW bench must seem as long as the SFO Bridge.

In reply to Headley

http://caribbeancricket.com/topic/1106214/4#5349093 <-- re matchstick Kyrie.

_ryan

LeBron seems to be a strength in numbers guy. He takes control when he knows he has a strong cast behind him, and seems to lose focus and confidence when he does not.
Also peculiar how he settles for bad shots at the most critical times. That last shoot was poor considering the success he had throughout the game backing down defenders in the post.

In reply to pelon

SHould be 10 - 6 in favor of GSW...you still didn't put me down for CAVS

In reply to ray

FINAL UPDATE: 10 - 6 in favour of GSW

GSW
Headley: 4-2
pelon: 4-3 "Game 1 CAVS GAMES 2,3 GSW the rest back and forth. GSW wins Game 7"
nick2020: 4-1
DukeStreet: 4-3
1Desiabnu: 4-1 "I don't see any way on god's green earth that the cavs can beat beat the warriors."
Disciple: 4-3?? "I picked the Warriors to win it all when Spurs got knocked out"
imusic: 4-0 "But seriously, did you hear that truck lick dung LeBron?"
NYCGURU: 4-2
Chally1: 4-1
Tryangle: 4-2 "Warriors in 6"

Cleveland
Admin: 4-2
defeyant: 4-2
Commie: 4-2
problemjay: 4-0? "I will come back to remind allyuh when series done"
jamgirl: 4-2
ray: 4-? "Cavs in 7"

Series: GSW 1 - CAVS 0
(SO FAR everyone above can still clam they are correct. Problem Jay MAY have a problem with his prediction soon)

In reply to Ayenmol

You get this only after the first game? You need to watch more LeBron games dude....

A right shame, because Irving was looking very good. If his injury takes him out of the series, don't know how GS won't be able to take the title.

Cavs were running isolation plays with LeBron most of the second half and were successful, but GS stayed within reach.

Still, a very good first game of the series for neutrals.

In reply to Tryangle

You know...I have to apologise to Mike Brown.

Blatt literally just ran iso after iso. Not even a couple screen play for a misdirect.

GS are not double teaming. They will just let Lebron wear himself out.

Its a pity. With a healthy Kyrie I think they would beat GS and Lebron might finally get the non alpha label off his back.

Ah well...

In reply to Admin

By playing so well, especially against Curry and with Dellavdova not looking particularly impressive in the few minutes he played, I could understand (if not agee) why a first year coach would be reluctant to take him out in the first game of the NBA finals.

Some folks are saying the coach was stupid to leave him in so long but hindsight is 20/20.

Cavs lack depth & spacing. They had enough offense against Bulls & Hawks but without Love, they don't have enough spacing on the floor for Lebron & Irving.
Their biggest need this offseason is to get a bench that can actually contribute, Marion, Miller, Perkins etc are way beyond useless at this stage of their careers.

In reply to Commie

I disagree. LeBron and kyrie played as well as they could've possibly played and yet GS was right there despite having a lackluster start. If GS puts together a full game, the Cavs don't have a prayer with our without kyrie.

In reply to Commie

They were using screens to get Barnes on Lebron, then using isos. Sound strategy becaue Bron was abusing Barnes. The adjustment to have Iggy on Lebron, and not switch on the picks, was what hurt the Cavs on the crucial plays.

JR missing every damn shot didn't help. Lebron didn't have confidence in making the pass.

_ryan

This game showed what separates LeBron from Kobe and MJ. LeBron will murder you if you let him get out in front. Mj and Kobe were at their best when the going got tough-LeBron tends to wilt at key moments.

In reply to 1Desiabnu

Soft sigh. Can't even be bother to respond to this garbage.

_r

In reply to Admin

1on1 Kobe or mj would've gotten a better shot in that situation and made it.

In reply to Admin

Did he "scratch" the play? I didn't see the post game.

In reply to 1Desiabnu

Alright, boss. They never, ever missed a shot to win the game, ever. I just remembered.

_r

In reply to Admin

YOU are right. It's all we do ent, compare LeBron to Jordan. So leh we stick a pin in that.

Facts.
Lebron missed the last shot in regulation for the win. No problem - it happens. Happened to the best too.
But how do you explain the player of his caliber - after the missed shot - not scoring until the last 10 seconds of OT. The entire team except for that 2 points did not score.

Clutch and killer instinct from the alpha is missing - that is how I see it. Lebron is THAT GOOD, he can score at will....

In the final seven minutes of the game (last two of regulation and all of overtime), the Cavaliers shot just 1-of-13 (7.7%) from the field and committed four turnovers as the Warriors closed the game on the 10-2 run.

Last night, Lebron failed [insert again] as a clutch killer!

Another damning stat - in the second half the only players from the Cavs who scored were James, Irving and Mozgov.

The likes of Shumpert, Smith, Thompson, Jones, must be able to contribute a few buckets.

A lil relief...if you call it that.

Concession prices at the finals

Just to confirm who really wins...

In reply to Admin

Ive been thinking about this whole Lebron vs Jordan thing, and im coming round to an argument a good friend makes which is that Lebron has never been alpha and does not bear comparing with Jordan.

He is essentially Magic Johnson, playing in a league where the defensive 3 second and hand check law changes make him seem Jordanesque as a scorer when really he isnt a natural. This is a guy who has had to be urged to go into the post even though he is a mismatch. This is a dude who deliberately takes less shots to protect his efficiency ratings. These playoffs feature his worst efficicency ratings because he has had to put up more shots than he likes. Both Jordan and Kobe (and Melo) were virtual chuckers. They did not care about efficiency but they did care about winning and felt that they carried the best chance of winning games. I dont think Lebron does and ideally with a health Kyrie, Lebron would be way more comfortable with a misdirect where Kyrie wins it with the big shot.

Put together with an Alpha scorer, and imo the BEST alpha combination for Lebron would be Carmelo Anthony (that duo would be unstoppable IMO), Lebron would not have this Magic without the Lakers issue. However the other key is that Lebron has never played for a systems coach. In dominating the franchises, Lebron has had Mike Brown, Erik Spoelstra and now David Blatt as his nominal coaches.

Take the play to win the game in regular time. It was a nothing play. Say what you will about the Triangle but it is a motion offense of sorts. That last play had the ball sticking in Lebrons hands. In a situation where he played facilitator first and scorer second, and had an alpha in the game, the CAVS win.

The irony is that he dictated exactly how the Cavs are structured.

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In reply to 1Desiabnu

Great assessment. GS didn't play their A game most of the night and still brought it home. Imagine when they start hitting on all cylinders.

In reply to 1Desiabnu

While I don't disagree with you, Lebron has had his moments in some key situations. I think the difference here is coaching. The rookie coach should have set appropriate plays for Lebron, especially in Overtime but that didn't appear to be the case.

Bron looked gassed and out of it in OT. He was nowhere the action in OT. Not good.

In reply to Commie

They got 23 points from Kyrie and 40 from LeBron just before Kyrie crumbled to the floor. And the game was in the balance. So it may be wishful thinking to believe they would have won the series with a healthy Uncle Drew. 15 from Timofey.

Unless you believe James was going to drop 40 in 4 games....

The Cavs have zero bench. And JR is just not going to give enough to make up for having to play James Jones.

In reply to nick2020

You forget they were on GS court and that GS lost only twice all season.

A healthy Kyrie would have sealed a Cavs win last night.

For much of the night the Dubs were intimidated by the Cavs physicality.

In reply to Commie

Maybe Bron should have driven to the basket instead of settling for a tough fall away before OT. They had 24 secs to set up a play going to the basket...that's where Bron was at his most dangerous...just a bad set at the end of reg

In reply to ray

I agree.

Le Bron's Agent - Rich Paul

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In reply to Commie

Great assessment on so many levels.My contention all year has always been that the basketball gods will never forgive the Cavs for the Wiggins trade.The Cavs play to much ISO ball to beat well rounded teams like the Spurs and Warriors in a seven game series.Made the point to a friend that the Spurs would have run their normal offense and get a high percentage shot for whoever was open and live with the results.By the way,I love the triangle even though am not sure Melo can change his bad habits and adopt to its nuances.

In reply to NYCGURU

Melo is so underrated. People forget that Paul Pierce was Carmelo until KG came along.

Pierce was a one man show, and had asked to be traded into a better situ before Ainge pulled off the coup.

Melo simply hasn't had a good situation with regards to the talent around him.

The league is just lucky he and Lebron never hooked up because if you think the big 3 was devastating in Miami, Carmelo and Lebron, even if the third best player was Tristan Thompson would be near unbeatable especially is they had a solid role playing cast around them.

In reply to Commie

Cavs got near 70 points from Irving and Bron. That just was not going to happen 4 times in this series. It is a shame Kryie is done for the season because it would have made for a better series.

Blame the whole marketing machine. We are forced into over-valuing playoffs so once you do not get it done in the playoffs you are marginalized and called over-rated. Swap 2000 Kobe for Carmelo and Kobe's career is seen in a whole different light as Carmelo.

Well, matchstick Kyrie is done. And so is Cleveland. It's a pity because this had the makings of a classic series.

_r

In reply to ray

Vince Carteresque

In reply to Admin

Not scoffing my sweep prediction now are u?

In reply to imusic

Unlikely they will sweep. That's still a crazy prediction.

_r

In reply to Admin

GS had much less than their A game. Cavs played as well as they possibly could and still couldn't get it done.

It will only get worse from here. More so with Irving out

In reply to Admin

itito may be right...however lets see if they put Scott Foster on the roster for game 3. Thats usually the pivotal game and where the difference between 3 zip and 2-1 is worth alot to the league.

Lebron so far has been otherworldly playing as Magic Johnson.

This is the best I have seen Lebron play. Totally under control.

So far....

In reply to Commie

Will he have enough in the tank?

In reply to nick2020

I don't care. This is how he works best and this is an awe inspiring performance.

I'd never have predicted Steph 1-11 from beyond the arc

This reminds me of Magic sky hook game.

Not as awesome or as painful but this is one of the most awesome performances you can see.

When he turns playmaker and goes into scoring as a secondary option Lebron is downright scary.

It helps that GS seems to be crapping the bed.

So far..

The problem with the 3-ball is if they are not falling, you are in trouble.

GS should still win the series but this performance highlights their weakness.

Can Curry catch fire now. Or is it too late.

Poor Lebron turns to mush when he has to be primary option on scoring. The ball sticks trying to get to him, and he just doesn't like the pressure.

Shame considering what he has done so far.

Phew!!

In reply to Commie

Only reason why he is not (better than) Jordon...

WOW!! OT again.

In reply to HumbleCalf

That was a good play call and/or decision by LBJ. I was sure they were going to settle for a jump shot.

In reply to HumbleCalf

It is why I would take Larry Legend over him too.

Lebron is phenomenal but he is not an alpha.

Bron was fouled but they took a legit basket away from Livingston, so, we call it even.

Time out. Cavs up 1...

What will happen?

I think Cavs win.

Airball

Curry owes GS big time. Sounds rough but...

Lebron can't win if the role players don't help.

When he is facilitating and scoring as a secondary option, they can win.

When he goes primary especially at end of games, its painful.

Great win.

In reply to Commie

Good win. If the scores stay low then Cavs are in this.

That goes for MJ, Kobe, Shaq and every other great scorer to play the game.

Lebron plays the game the way it is taught, and the way it is meant to be played. A great scorer and an equally great facilitator.

the refs really wants GSW to win

In reply to Commie

SO, who can win if role players don't play a part???

In reply to ray

I dont just mean in the course of the game. I also mean in closing the game. Do you see how horrible Lebron is in crunch situs ?

In reply to Commie

Kinda tough to be very efficient when playing 50 minutes and having to do everything to give your team a chance.This is impressive what the Cavs are doing with a bench with about five guys who are close to collecting Social Security.

I only watched the last few minutes, but Lebron(11/35) and Curry(5/23) combined to go 16 for 58. That's 27.5% and that's just down right putrid for the two biggest stars in the game.

How is this possible

http://streamable.com/p216

In reply to Admin

and the ref was right in front...wonder what he was watching?

In reply to Admin

The problem is....the refs also swallowed their whistle on Lebron blatantly travelling before he was fouled. It was a poorly reffed game but wait till they get to Cleveland.

The Warriors will cry blue murder then.

Lawd I know they are greats and in crunch time they do their thing.

But what the greats always show in crunch time is composure.
Lebron got his points, his double or triple whatever and they got the win.
But man Bron Bron look so out of sorts down the stretch.
No composure whatsoever and scrambling like crazy.
I watch that game and it further reinforces why Jordan is a great and the greatest.
Bron Bron pass up a lay up in the dieing seconds with both teams without
a fowl to give, for a perimeter shot which the player obliged with an air ball. Really???

This was to go up 4.

In reply to Commie

Exactly on the travel. The clip does not show how blatant it was but you can still clearly see he takes a step with his right foot, then spins back with his left all after he picked up his dribble.

The game was not well officiated and some crucial calls did seem to go against the Cavs.

Onto Game 3 of this exciting series. Much appreciated after the snoozer conference finals x 2.

So anybody figured out why Blatt banished Mozgov to the bench midway thru the game? He was owning the paint like Putin in Crimea, then next thing u know he's glued to the bench. Maybe his work permit expired?

In reply to Disciple

Because of what happened in the first game when GS went small....

In reply to Disciple

GS went small and Mozgov becomes a paint bound liability when GS go into shoot mode.

In reply to Admin
Horrible refereeing. LeBron got fowled twice, and with the ref right there.
Shame... When the final whistle blew, he let out a primal howl with mouth agape - fist pumping/muscle flexing as if he just won the championship AND buried his enemies at the gate.

In reply to pelon

Well at least he got rid of imusic's crazy prediction. That's one down.

In reply to Commie & ray

Yea I figured, but they were able to put him on AI on defense and get away with it.
Plus he gives them something on offense, the same cannot be said for Tristan Thompson.

In reply to Disciple

Always find it funny when some of these one dimensional players think they deserve max contracts.Love Tristan's rebounding but a MAX player he is not.

UPDATE: 10 - 6 in favour of GSW

GSW
Headley: 4-2
pelon: 4-3 "Game 1 CAVS GAMES 2,3 GSW the rest back and forth. GSW wins Game 7"
nick2020: 4-1
DukeStreet: 4-3
1Desiabnu: 4-1 "I don't see any way on god's green earth that the cavs can beat beat the warriors."
Disciple: 4-3?? "I picked the Warriors to win it all when Spurs got knocked out"
OUT imusic: 4-0 "But seriously, did you hear that truck lick dung LeBron?"
NYCGURU: 4-2
Chally1: 4-1
Tryangle: 4-2 "Warriors in 6"

Cleveland
Admin: 4-2
defeyant: 4-2
Commie: 4-2
OUT problemjay: 4-0? "I will come back to remind allyuh when series done"
jamgirl: 4-2
ray: 4-3 "Cavs in 7"

Series Tied: GSW 1 - CAVS 1

In reply to pelon

Problemjay done too.

At least for one game, I was spectacularly wrong about Steph vs Delly.

_ryan

In reply to NYCGURU

IMO, the noise about TT being worthy of a max deal is in part because he is represented by Rich Paul, who is also Lebron's agent and long time friend.

In reply to Disciple

max deal for Tristan? If that happens then that is sure sign the system broken.
Max deals should only go to FRANCHISE PLAYERS.

In reply to NYCGURU

The league has gone out of control. Draymond Green worth max ? Then so is Tristan Thompson.

In reply to Commie

Draymond isnt worth max but then again I lost all hope when Chandler Parsons got $46 Mil for 3 years.

In reply to Admin

Him neva say 4-what... so I was giving him de benefit of doubt.

GS disappointed. You play even worse than game 1 but still get to OT and can't finish the deal?

Steupes

Yes....I know not a single player on your roster has played in the NBA finals before....but come on son....stepH to fcuk up!

In reply to imusic

Fear not, Guns blazing tonight.

Golden State still got Brickitis. Getting outhustled and their shooters aren't getting it done. Cavs' role players putting in the work.

In reply to Tryangle

Its looking like a spectacular choke job by GS.

I recall last year saying , with Lebron's decision to go back to Cleveland, they'd be an instant contender. I was told 2-3 years of roster building....lol. I hardly watch bball anymore yet even I could see how weak the NBA competition is anymore.

In reply to Commie

It's looking like a spectacular performance so far by Cleveland. Don't try to change the narrative.

_ryan

In reply to Admin

Actually it isn't. Its a choke job.

GS started figuring it out last night by putting Lee in and having a competent sr option.

First two games the Cavs just hedged on the roll and stayed with Curry because Bogut doesn't even fake an offensive game.

Now GS can score on the roll again Curry will get some space.

I took the Cavs to win because their perimeter defence just matches up perfectly with GS but it helps that Barnes and Green are bricking everything on the switch and Bogut is not rolling to the rim.

This series is going change again.

In reply to Commie

Where will they get rim protection from with David Lee in the game. He is a major defensive liability, which is the reason he lost his job in the first place.

_r

In reply to Commie

Cavs will win because I think GS will be worn down by the defense of Cavs

In reply to ray

Wow.That would be ironic since the Cavs are essentially playing with no bench and back up's now starting while the Warriors are the deep and healthy team.The beauty of sports is that you have to play the game.

In reply to Admin

GS defense isnt the issue. Their offense is.

In reply to Commie

When are you going to give credit to Cleveland's defensive schemes?

_r

In reply to Admin

Who said I didn't. I made the call based on Blatt defensive schemes.

However once you flash a defense and stick to it, adjustments get made.

Last night it became clear that the Cavs could not defend the Lee roll and that having Curry as the primary ball handler messes up the Cavs defensive schemes.

Its fun to watch but most vet coaches would be up in this series.

Kerr is a rookie coach but this might be his only chance of getting to these finals.

Winner of next game likely wins the series.

I think Cleveland's been channeling a bit of that old 90's era Eastern Conference grit and hustle. And the Warriors are unable to cope with it despite the deeper bench.

Hell, the Cavs put some lubricating oil on Mike Miller and even he came out with drive and hustle.

GS needs to do a SA and radically change how they approach G4. Maybe sit Bogut for Iggy to start the contest.

In reply to Commie

Interesting. I actually have GSW taking back home court in next game. And I still think Cavs will win in six.

_r

In reply to Admin

I had the Cavs winning in 6 too as you know however last night GSW found the formula. If they lose from here on it will be even more extraordinary.

told allya even if is Lebron got to play 1 on 5 he good for at least two wins and so far he had some help

refs like they got stage fright though

In reply to Commie

David is a horrible defender right up there with Stat and the other toll booths. He is an excellent finisher and passer which is going to be a big boost to the Warriors offense.Barnes and Green are in need of a confidence boost.

In reply to NYCGURU

Lee has nothing to defend. The Cavs offense consists of Lebron drive and kick to a 3baller or Lebron iso with the occasional screen pass to JR or lob to Mozgov.

You put Lee on Tristan Thompson and all he has to do is fight for rebounds. Thompson has little or no offense.

Its a great series to watch.

In reply to Commie

Who will guard Mozgod?

_r

In reply to Admin

Why do you nweed to guard him when he is on the bench ?

Boguts minutes are going to go down and so will Mozgov.

Well Boguts minutes are gone. As I thought GS worked it out. Blatt stuck with Mozgov and he got his points but it won't help.

Sorry to say but GS look good for this series now.

The cavs don't have a bench and this small lineup is pushing the ball harder as well and literally running the legs off Cleveland.

GSW back level.
Very poor showing by the CAVS. Best of 3 now. Will update the standings in the AM

In reply to Admin

I hate the Grabbing State Warriors defense with Green and Bogut but Delly is not playing proper defense on Curry.
JR just is not the kind of player you ever want on your roster. Or who you want to rely on.

I said to someone that the only way Clev wins is if Lebron scores near 40 in 4 games. They almost had game 1. But I think no matter how grind it out the games are LeBron has to pour in points. And Clev has to be up heading into the 4th. LeBron is wearing down.

And if I were the Cavs I would ask if we are in trouble considering it is 2-2 and Curry really has not played well.

In reply to Admin

Prior to Game 4, the delta in each win was very slim and either team could have won any game. The Cavs had applied defensive pressure enough to stall GW's offense UNTIL Lee was inserted.

Game 4 showed what happened when they utilized more offensive firepower with Lee and Curry spearheading it and the others supporting when needed. The point delta in G4 was important to note. Watch GW continue to exploit the Cavs deficiency for the rest of the series.

GSW
pelon: 4-3
DukeStreet: 4-3
Disciple: 4-3
Headley: 4-2
NYCGURU: 4-2
Tryangle: 4-2
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OUT nick2020: 4-1
OUT imusic: 4-0
OUT 1Desiabnu: 4-1
OUT Chally1: 4-1

Cleveland
Admin: 4-2
defeyant: 4-2
Commie: 4-2
jamgirl: 4-2
ray: 4-3
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OUT problemjay: 4-0

In reply to pelon



GSW in 6. Cavs need someone else to help Lebron on the offensive side of the ball.

Cavs got 2 days to rest up a bit...I think Cavs will win in 6....

In reply to pelon

Monday morning you will be able to put out another five.

You're welcome, Coach Kerr

That said, they need to be careful with regards to Mozgov when they're playing D.

As for Cleveland, wouldn't be surprised if they retaliate with a small lineup, problem is that Shumpert's limited offensively, Jones and Miller are limited defensively and JR's the streakiest player since John Starks. They'll need to pump Delly with a bit more coffee.

In reply to Tryangle

Mosgov seems like a nice guy. Give him my regards too. With regard to his free throw shooting, it's the best stroke I've seen from a big-man.

In reply to ray

Cavs were so pooped out last night towards the end it was embarrassing.

That 7 man rotation was not working.

In reply to Headley

Good spot and well played, cheers

In reply to Tryangle

In reply to Headley

A mature approach.

it looks like the Mosgov is the best of the ex Knicks

In reply to XFactor

Delly is starting. They lost 2 starters and all star caliber players.

Pooped guys better than the other guys in the rotation. Maybe he Matrix could get run but he washed up.

Warriors!!

At this rate they may need to inject some oil into Marion. Miller's forced into getting minutes these days. Cavs decided to go small-ball to chase the Warriors, which may be fine on paper but when you're giving Jones and Miller extra minutes at the expense of Mozgov... and allow the Warriors to effectively bench Bogut with zero negative impact... yikes.

Another trip-dub for LeBron but all for naught. Cavs have a day to recover then back at it to keep their season going.

In reply to Tryangle

We may never know what LeBron's secret motivation is.

GSW
pelon: 4-3
DukeStreet: 4-3
Disciple: 4-3
Headley: 4-2
NYCGURU: 4-2
Tryangle: 4-2
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OUT nick2020: 4-1
OUT imusic: 4-0
OUT 1Desiabnu: 4-1
OUT Chally1: 4-1

Cleveland posters
Only one poster remains on the Cavs predit-o-meter.
ray: 4-3
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OUT problemjay: 4-0
OUT Admin: 4-2
OUT defeyant: 4-2
OUT Commie: 4-2
OUT jamgirl: 4-2

Ahh...the future of basketball!
With the exception of The Brow, 7 footers will be banished to the bench and there will 5 athletic guys on the court, all of whom can drive, pass and shoot 3's.
Beautiful!

In reply to Disciple

Wait don't make assumptions. Won't be long before a 7 footer turns up who can drive, pass and shoot 3s.

In reply to pelon

This little exercise demonstrates why the best 'position' to play in sports is bookie.

In reply to Headley

Well you are still standing, so dat must count for something.
De safest bet is to keep your money in your pocket, it is a guarantee not to lose.

In reply to pelon

I'll be the last man standing as soon as Cavs get their mojo back...I fully expect them to be playing Friday night

In reply to ray

It would be quite a feat, considering GSW would have to lose 2 straight games.

Not impossible. King James needs someone to step up and attack the basket.


On another note: anyone check in on Admin, he turned like Casper (or is that Kasper) and disappear.

In reply to Disciple

Shaq would absolutely dominate and a 38 year old Timmy did last year easily.

The big deal is the elimination of illegal defense.

In reply to Commie

Cavs really need a couple guys to step up...they can't match up with the small lineup. They might as well stick with the bigs...

In reply to pelon

You think GSW will close out tonight?

In reply to nick2020

Nope, and my 4-3 prediction stands. Do I want them too: heck yeah.

It is a razor edge tonight, but I see the Cavs giving the LAST all-out-blitz in Game 6. By time game 7 rolls in the CSW will beat Cleveland by 10+ points - if only because of an empty reserve tank.

Look for a 30 point game from LeBron with less isolation dependency. Smith with 20+ too. Pity, it will be all for naught friday.

In reply to ray

GS are trapping Lebron a lot and having him relinquish the ball other wise they could keep Mozgov and screen and roll with he and Lebron.

I thought that would happen and that's why I thought the game was up for the Cavs after game 3. Once they withdrew Bogut you have to dare someone to miss if you keep Mozgov and if he isn't pick and roll with Lebron its tough.

I'd play Mozgov, trap the other shooters and dare Draymond Green or someone else not name Curry or Klay to win the series for GS.

In reply to pelon

Regular season included the Cavs have not beaten the Warriors unless LeBron has a 40 point games. No way they get it done with 30 little.

Curry was asked before game 5 if he expected anything different from CLE. And he said no there is not much they can do. It sounded bold/arrogant at the time but what can the Cavs do? Run LeBron for 49 minutes in a regulation game?

LeBron needs to get some rest going into the stretch. And a close game does not afford them that luxury. If CLE is down at the end of the 1st and 3rd it will be difficult for them to win.

Let's see what ref crew is on for tonight.

If Scott Foster is on..you might see record ft for the Cave tonight

Link

Scott foster refs tonight.

Bets on

In reply to Commie

I dunno what on earth LeBron & Co will do now.

They cannot go into the start of the 2nd Q down like this and put LeBron on the bench.

JUST FOR _ADMIN

Every year LeBron runs out of gas earlier. That's the problem with being blessed with a big body....wears down.

Curry is every bit the player, just a smaller package. See past the advantage .

Poor Lebron...well as poor as a multi multi millionaire can be.

Congrats Golden State - 2015 Champs!

New Sheriff in town....has anyone lost more in the finals as the current best player in the world?

Headley: 4-2
NYCGURU: 4-2
Tryangle: 4-2

Good guess...or was that some serious analysis to develop an accurate predictive tool.

In reply to Commie

What did Pat Riley say, only win and misery...or sumting like dat.

Igi Igi Igi !!!!

Well deserved Finals MVP!!!

Iguodala is MVP

Yay Golden State! They might make me start to watch basketball again!

I remember Steve Kerr from the days I used to watch Chicago. Interesting that he is in his rookie year as coach. Can he come and coach the West indies?

In reply to Yamfoot

You think proud West Indian people will want a foreign coach?

We washed our hands quickly off Bennet King and John Dyson

Seeing what Thompson and Mozgov did to GS, its safe to say their claim to being one of the all time great teams is a bit offbase.

Good call Headley.

This was their year. The Spurs got knocked off, then the Clips as well...eliminating the two teams which match up well vs them and then the Cavs lose not one but two of their best players.

The Cavs would have likely beat them with a healthy Irving but considering that statement is a bit of an oxymoron because there is no such thing as a healthy Irving, what they achieved is top draw.

Phenomenal team ball and a deep bench. Kudos.

In reply to HumbleCalf

The outcome was very predictable without Love and then Irving going down.Actually,I think it was a great accomplishment for the Cavs to win two games with no bench.

In reply to Commie

On point.Could not agree anymore.Now let's see what happens on draft night and free agency.

kudos to the Warriors. It was your year

As much as I'm not a Lebron fan I have alot of respect for the way he carried this team as they lost key pieces. Good adjustment by Kerr to move Iguodala to the starting 5 as well

In reply to NYCGURU

Congrats on your prediction bro. Congrats to Tryangle too.

I know from the Con Finals we had concluded after careful analysis that GSW would prevail with the occasional loss because of the superiority of their system, their coach and staff plus the depth of their bench. In fact we were advising those who listened to bet their house on it.

I went further and explained why the mastery of the 3 was the ultimate weapon. But even now most peeps still don't get the maths that 35% of 20 x 3 = 21 and 45% of 20 X 2 = 18.

In English it means that GSW can shoot significantly worse than their opponents and still win if any two of Curry/Iggy/Green/Thompson are swishing the 3. (If they shoot the same or better it's a foregone conclusion.) Having an ok defence is the guarantee.

Pelon your bookie services were first class.

Well done fellas, you called it, nailed it.

Headley: 4-2
NYCGURU: 4-2
Tryangle: 4-2

Collect your winnings here

Where is Admin? Can't see him fuh days now.

In reply to Headley

Good predicting from the 3 gamblers ....

Bro Pelon ... The bookie master!!

As much as i like Bron, after game 1, and the loss of Irving, then game 4 took all his steam ... it was clear the end was nigh trying to carry a bunch of big ass men on his back.

Congrats to the GS Warriors and fan base!!

In reply to Headley

Cool my Bro. Fun chatting hoops with fellas who know and love the game. Getting out of NY on Friday for some beach time and the Vinci carnival.Enjoy the summer.

In reply to np

Bron Bron, the best player on earth. No denying that, but he can't do it all. Cavs will build a team with depth and flexibility. They'll be back.


In reply to NYCGURU

Yes bro good fun chatting hoops with folks who know it and love it. Enjoy SVG.

Warriors were the most entertaining team this year by far and deserving champs. They are going to be contenders for a while.

Heh, thanks for the prize and well done to my fellow prognosticators.

There was a good analysis yesterday that pretty much asked, what more could the Cavs do?

LeBron was dominant to the effect of leading in points, boards and dimes.
Shumpert, offensively limited, decent at defense, did as expected.
James Jones, provides floor spacing and a mediocre defender, did as expected.
Mozgov, had an above average series.
JR Smith, streaky as streaky can be. As expected.
Tristan Thompson, crashed the boards, gave a small offensive boost. Above average.
Dellavedova, played the pit bull role as could be expected. When Steph started being Steph again, not much he could do.

The better all-around team won and were deserving champs. They could only play who was in front of them, speculation about the Spurs or Clips can't be applied here.

Unless some major off season dealings happen (eg Aldridge moving to an East team), Cavs have to be a runaway favourite to return to the Finals next season. Imperative of course, that Irving is healthy to battle the West representative.

In reply to Tryangle

Agreed, except the East might not be the same in 2016. If Durant is in DC and both Sephalosha and Korver are healthy, then the Wizards and the Hawks will compete much better against the Cavs.

But that's why they play the games.