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CaribbeanCricket.com 2015-05-23 06:39:00 

Long serving West Indies batsman Shivnarine Chanderpaul will not face Australia in the upcoming two-Test series in the Caribbean, starting on June 3 in Dominica.

The Guyanese left hander, just 86 runs shy of Brian Lara’s record for the most Test runs, has been overlooked by the regional selectors and as a consequence Lara’s record will stand.

Chanderpaul had two poor series against South Africa in South Africa and England in the West Indies, where he averaged just 16 runs per innings.

T&T Guardian understands that the management of the team tried to get Chanderpaul to call it a day but was met with resistance and as such they had no choice but to go without him.


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Drapsey 2015-05-23 06:45:09 

Wow, Chrissy must be one happy woman.

I think that the WI should've given Shiv the chance to formally close out his career before his home ground in Dominica.

Very sad.

 
methodic 2015-05-23 07:08:21 

Tough luck Shiv. Congratulations on a great career.

 
LBW375 2015-05-23 07:11:37 

In reply to Drapsey

You know, I'm really tired of the constant Chrissy bashing, she can be an olé pain in de ass and most times she have "foot in mouth disease" but her service and love of West Indies cricket is beyond question.

 
Drapsey 2015-05-23 07:19:10 

In reply to LBW375

So what if she's happy every once in a while?

That might've been a better response.

Anyway, leave me and Chrissy alone.

 
Raggs 2015-05-23 07:36:11 

Why couldn't they just let the man break the record then allow him to leave with grace...
If it was Lara needed to break Chanderpaul' s record. He would be given time and games to get it done.

 
smuggler 2015-05-23 07:41:34 

Bull crap. That's why West indies cricket will go nowhere really fast.

Chanderpaul deserves the benefit of the doubt. His unbelievable record of success should guarantee him another tour. The man may just be woefully out of form.

This is shameful insularity with the aim of protecting Lara's record.
Very disappointing and small minded

 
jcveletta 2015-05-23 07:44:54 

In reply to Raggs

Sad state of affairs for one of the greatest warriors of WI cricket. Well played country man...you are a true champion.

 
Cowcorner 2015-05-23 07:55:26 


T&T Guardian understands that the management of the team tried to get Chanderpaul to call it a day but was met with resistance and as such they had no choice but to go without him.


Don't understand this statement. Are they saying that they tried to get Chanderpaul to announce his retirement. Chandy refuse so they drop him?

Is that the correct understanding? No room for compromise? Can't believe past players are treating past players like this.

WI people should be given a chance to say goodbye to their greats. These once in a lifetime guys need to be celebrated.


My personal view is that Shandy did enough to be given a few games to break Lara's record. This guy is the last great of a past Era.

 
GT 2015-05-23 07:57:19 

[b]In reply to Raggs I agree Lara would have been treated differently yes he failed two series but for most of his career he performed exceptionally. He deserved another series. but guys like Shiv and Ringo get judged by a different set of rules.

 
Commie 2015-05-23 08:05:26 

Good ole Mamchan.

Is allyuh time...cherish it, because after one time is another. We have been there before.

 
JahJah 2015-05-23 08:26:06 

In reply to Commie

Mamchan?

 
JahJah 2015-05-23 08:26:43 

In reply to GT

Ringo? Don't bother with that by lumping him in with Shiv.

 
Commie 2015-05-23 08:32:39 

In reply to JahJah

The Guardian writer cum Trini cheerleader ie Lara record will stand. You could literally hear the glee in that article.

I haven't seen anyone shamelessly lobby this hard besides msb trolling big grin

 
jballer84 2015-05-23 08:45:48 

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

Very sad state of affairs. Shiv, we salute you, a true champion.

It's sad you are this stubborn and seemingly didn't want to commit to retiring after OZ. Haven't you learned from the way your ODI career ended? There's no coming back champ, unless you completely light up the CPL.

 
BCL213 2015-05-23 08:46:46 

Chanderpaul can no longer justifiably remain in the side by virtue of his performances so let the record stay with the better player. It was evident for sometime that he was hanging around with his eye of Lara's record. I am all for ppl having ambition but when the performances no longer stack up I see no reason for the board to facilitate this quest at the expense of a young player who has to wait another series or another home season to be blooded.

Thanks for your services Chanders! You served well!

 
JahJah 2015-05-23 08:48:37 

In reply to Commie

Ok, just seeing now.

 
Commie 2015-05-23 08:51:30 

In reply to JahJah

Mamchan doing a pleading

 
rodwell 2015-05-23 08:58:05 

Coach of the West Indies cricket team Phil Simmons met with struggling West Indies batsman Shivnarine Chanderpaul for a lengthy period on Monday in Barbados, as they discussed his future with the regional side.




The 40-year-old Chanderpaul who is nearing Brian Lara’s mark for the most Test runs by a West Indian, had a miserable tour against England, where he tallied just 92 runs at a lowly average of 15.33 from six innings.




The West Indies went on to win the Test match by five wickets and square the series but there has been calls from some quarters for Chanderpaul to leave before he is pushed out.




T&T Guardian understands that coach Simmons did the responsible thing and called Chanderpaul for a meeting which from all reports went very well. It is unclear what was the decision at the end of the meeting, whether Chanderpaul will call it a day or continue on for the tough series against Australia.




What is keeping his interest in the game is the fact that in his 20th year of Test cricket, he is steadily closing in on Brian Lara’s record as the most prolific West Indies batsman. Lara, who played in 131 Test matches between 1990 and 2006 in his illustrious career, amassed 11,953 runs at an average 52.88.




He scored 34 centuries and 48 half-centuries during a career in which he twice set the world record for highest individual score in a Test inning—375 and 400 respectively. Chanderpaul now stands 11,867 runs from 164 matches at an average of 51.37 with 30 centuries and 66 half centuries. He’s 86 runs shy of taking over Lara’s record.




It is understood that the views of the West Indies selection panel is that it is up to Simmons to make a call on Chanderpaul and the Arima man decided to give the Guyanese his say in the matter because he has been a great servant of West Indies cricket.




Former Test player Philo Wallace recently made his views clear on Chanderpaul saying that he should be given the five home Tests (three against England and two against Australia) and then properly honoured by the West Indies Cricket Board (WICB) for his services to the regional team. 




This Is What Transpired.  He indicated that he wanted to play in the upcoming Aussie series. He would have used the opportunity to thank the WI public for their support for the past 21 years. It would have also been an opportune time for the WICB to honor him for his outstanding contribution to WI cricket.




The selectors said it would be up to the coach, the coach said he is leaving it up to Shiv to decide. Now they both have changed their mouths and went ahead and drop him for the test series. 


This just appeared on CMC website a few minutes ago...www.cananews.net

Chanderpaul deserves special send-off, says Cameron

West Indies Cricket Board president, Dave Cameron, says he wants to ensure veteran left-hander Shiv Chanderpaul gets a fitting send-off when his career finally ends.
The 40-year-old Chanderpaul is nearing the end of an illustrious career that has seen him garner 11 867 runs from 164 Tests, to be second on the all-time West Indies list behind the superb Brian Lara.
Cameron, who in March gained re-election for a second term, said he had not been pleased with how former players had been treated at the end of their careers.
“I have never really liked how we have ushered out our players, so as president I am always trying to figure out how to honour them,” he told the Jamaica Gleaner.
“We're doing it now on a continuous basis, year by year, for their performances, but at the end of a long and illustrious career like Shivnarine Chanderpaul's we want to ensure that whatever we do, it is well respected and that he knows and the region knows how much we value his services to West Indies cricket.”
Much speculation has surrounded Chanderpaul’s recent form. He managed a mere 91 runs against South Africa in three Tests earlier this year and also struggled against England in the recent three Test series with just 92 runs.
He requires a further 86 runs to surpass Lara’s record of 11 953 and maybe eyeing the two-Test Australia series beginning next month, as the opportunity to do so.
However, Cameron said Chanderpaul recently met with the West Indies hierarchy to discuss his future and more would be revealed in coming days.
“Unfortunately, I am not privy to the discussions, but obviously it is where he is at and what are the next steps," Cameron said.
“In another couple of days it will be made a lot clearer as to the end result of those discussions or how we go forward.” (CMC)

 
archangel 2015-05-23 09:10:01 

Disgraceful!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Chanderpaul should have been given the OZ series. The ultimatum should be the OZ series then go, however it turns out.

This will forever be one of those landmark decisions/deals that will never be forgotten, and there have been many in West Indies cricket.

Is like a poster hinted recently, it has been done and so let us continue to do it.

Remember the Board president, coach and selectors at this time. They will be constantly referred to.

 
Larr Pullo 2015-05-23 09:10:34 

In reply to Commie

Why is this about Mamchan? It's obvious Shiv doesn't want to go with the program so the selectors handled it themselves.

 
archangel 2015-05-23 09:12:39 

In reply to Larr Pullo

Ok, so Shiv doesn't want to go. There could still be an ultimatum that gives the man a chance.

Loyalty counts for nothing in West Indies cricket.

That is why when posters here talk about who should forsake big money for West Indies cricket, I just have to laugh.

 
Commie 2015-05-23 09:16:11 

In reply to Larr Pullo

Dude....take off your Shiv blinkers for once.

The irony is that whilst ppl claim Shiv is all about getting a record, the people complaining were all about the same record.

Where you think Mamchan getting his info from.

Anyway..moving on. New Era and all that.

 
Larr Pullo 2015-05-23 09:17:18 

In reply to archangel

U think the selectors wanted to act loyally. However, like what happened with the ODI issue, Shiv obviously didn't want to buy what they were selling.

Shiv should know by now that every cricketers career has an end date on it, and should have just called time on his career.

 
NineMiles 2015-05-23 09:18:25 

In reply to Drapsey

Not only Chrissy happy.... I'm very very happy too..........!

Adios Creepy Crawling Crab......

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah.......................................!! razz lol razz lol lol lol razz lol lol razz lol

 
Larr Pullo 2015-05-23 09:19:43 

In reply to Commie

What Shiv blinkers? I wanted Shiv to have a graceful end to his career. Reality is if it was in the cards for Shiv to have this record, he would have by now. You thinnk he couldn't score faster against Bangladesh when Ramdin declared on him? Reality is there are team needs and then there are Shiv needs, and the two don't always work in lockstep.

 
jacksparrow 2015-05-23 09:21:25 

Reports are unconfirmed as yet, nothing official. It should not be about the record, but about a great servant to West Indies Cricket and allowing him to bow out with some aplomb and ceremony. If on the other hand Shiv is refusing to retire in a specific timeframe, demonstrating the same stubbornness as in his batting over the years,it gets sticky as this Board has shown no negotiation skills.As one of Shiv's biggest fans,I would be very sad if he is dropped but in the end the game and team is bigger than the individual.I prefer to remember his determination and hard work as a cricketer.He is truly a role model to many!

 
jcveletta 2015-05-23 09:42:02 

The irony is that whilst ppl claim Shiv is all about getting a record, the people complaining were all about the same record.
In reply to Commie

Bingo!

 
Halliwell 2015-05-23 09:48:06 

So the test victory was Lloyd's
Holder century was Lloyd's
But the loss was Simmo's honeymoon
And drappin Shiv is Simmo and by extension Trinidad?

Commie you are one seriously off key piece of shoulder chipped work

cry

 
hawk 2015-05-23 09:50:38 

Dis is Disappointing and Disgraceful, to Dismiss Chanderpaul with such Disdain, and like Dis, a highly Distinguished and Disciplined cricketer, I find it very Disturbing and Distasteful, it seem that he and Simmons Discussed "retire now or else", I am in total Disagreement here, the man has been Disallowed from surpassing Brian Lara's record, even though he is within close Distance of it, surely we will be in no greater Disarray by letting him play besides it would be a great Disservice to throw a youngster in against the Aussie

 
Commie 2015-05-23 09:50:45 

In reply to Halliwell

You see me state any of these things?

I need a name for allyuh. I named eirm and they pale in imitation to you lot.

 
don1 2015-05-23 09:57:06 

If true it is absolute disrespect. You cannot do that to players that have served the team well for so long. At least plan a send of for one of the Australia tests.

They never gave him a send off at the last test against England. So they cannot talk about what Shiv wanted or didn't want to do, because they never planned a send off for him anyway.

Look at Steven Gerrard given a royal send off from liverpool! even though he could hold a first place position all the time and debacle of the chamionship "slip up" last year.

The lack of respect for your most senior player on the team, is why the players cannot show unconditional loyalty, and give nothing for the youngsters to aspire to.

WICB has failed once again.

 
eric365 2015-05-23 09:58:07 

In reply to Halliwell

Halli he is pavlovian when it comes to anything Trinbagonian. Any thread about a person, not necessarily a player, from T&T and the dog comes all wet and salivating. As i said before he is one sick puppy/dog.
Ignore him it could also be that he suffers from as(s)perger's syndrome. He has this unusual preoccupation with things Trini.
BTW you bookmark this. We will be better off without Shiv, as great a batsman as he was. I wish him well in his future endeavours.

 
Commie 2015-05-23 10:02:56 

In reply to eric365

Man..embrace yuh lil green card and be happy.

All this faux nationalism is not good for your old self.

 
mental_case 2015-05-23 10:03:11 

I can't believe he didn't retire after the England series where he looked sadly out of form and every bit his 40 years old. He's been a fantastic player over the years but it's time to move on. Nothing sadder then a great player well past his best that refuses to let go. We saw it with Sachin who played 2 years too long for his own selfish reasons.What other reason does Shiv have to keep playing other then to overtake Lara? He's achieved everything in the game.

 
Stilbatn 2015-05-23 10:04:48 

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

Shiv Chanderpaul is back in the West Indies team --great news big grin big grin big grin

 
mental_case 2015-05-23 10:04:58 

In reply to don1

This is test cricket son. No room for sentimentality. If he's not playing well enough to be in the side he shouldn't be in the side.

 
Stilbatn 2015-05-23 10:05:33 

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

Shiv Chanderpaul is back in the West Indies team --great news big grin big grin big grin

 
billydred 2015-05-23 10:09:30 

In reply to don1
Gerrard announced his intention to go, he didn't wait to be pushed.
Shiv didn't know when to fold and walk away. Man look really old last series. cry cry

 
don1 2015-05-23 10:12:22 

In reply to mental_case

That's why we will forever have the so called "mercenaries".

My advise to every West Indies player is to look out for yourself first and forget this loyal nationalistic view that persons feel you should have. WICB is not your nation or anything like it, it's just you employer. Put your personal earning first, and then West Indies second.

That is the fundamental difference, between West Indies and other cricket nations, and why they can get their players to leave tournaments like the IPL midway and play test cricket.

 
Chrissy 2015-05-23 10:19:36 

In reply to archangel

Loyalty - yuh mean selling out his teammates and becoming di scab cappo fi Hell.

Name one person who goes to test cricket to watch Chanderpaul bat and get back to me.

Only mad people think it's a good idea to select someone because he wants to break a meaningless record.
Bye bye Selfishpaul - as always it's about you and not the team.

I wrote di obit on May 11 - ah well - catch up peeps.

 
NineMiles 2015-05-23 10:20:13 

In reply to Commie

I need a name for allyuh. I named eirm and they pale in imitation to you lot.


Ever heard of the LPA ?? cool

 
Commie 2015-05-23 10:23:30 

In reply to NineMiles

The LPA are a smaller more guerilla outfit.

That lot are like ISIS. Loosely formed set of nutcases who project normality until you start speaking about Trinidad.

 
Chrissy 2015-05-23 10:24:00 

In reply to NineMiles

Remember I told you he would never bruk dat aggregate. Never mind di 30 plus more tests and di 50sinting more innings.

 
NineMiles 2015-05-23 10:24:23 

In reply to mental_case

This is test cricket son. No room for sentimentality. If he's not playing well enough to be in the side he shouldn't be in the side.


Spot on mate... you don't go to the supermarket to buys products that are well past their sell by date. The Creepy Crawling Crab overstayed his usefulness!

 
NineMiles 2015-05-23 10:25:39 

In reply to Chrissy

Yep, I remember it well Sis! lol

 
Chrissy 2015-05-23 10:27:52 

In reply to Raggs

Brian Lara need a few runs to reach 12,000 and walked away after having a great series against Pakistan.

Tek time.

 
StumpCam 2015-05-23 10:28:02 

Only in the West Indies this happens! In most all other countries will be happy to see a sportsman with an illustrious career make every effort to achieve that record no matter who holds it.

This just plain badmindedness! No so longer ago the Yankees gave Derek Jeter the opportunity to break a record even though his career was faltering! Even Rickey Henderson went after the stolen bases record in his 40s!

 
mental_case 2015-05-23 10:36:35 

If Simmo doesn't think Shiv is playing well enough to warrant a spot in the side he shouldn't pick him. It's a simple as that.It's got nothing to do with the record, I'd be surprised if that's even entered Phil's mind. He has a test series to win. Shiv struggled against the pedestrian pommy medium pacers. He'll do it tough against Starc,Johnson and Cummins. Phil's doing him a favour.

 
Baje 2015-05-23 10:47:24 

In reply to smuggler

Chanderpaul deserves the benefit of the doubt. His unbelievable record of success should guarantee him another tour. The man may just be woefully out of form.


When you perform like Chanders did for the past years, before being discarded, you should make sure that his skills have really deteriorated. What is the haste to replace him? Is it that important to have a replacement ready for the Aussies series?

 
Baje 2015-05-23 10:49:03 

In reply to Cowcorner


My personal view is that Shandy did enough to be given a few games to break Lara's record. This guy is the last great of a past Era.

Forget Lara's record. He should be given the chance to prove that he could no longer contribute.

 
navindesigns 2015-05-23 10:51:58 

clive lloyd is a back stabber

 
Babylon 2015-05-23 10:55:15 

In reply to Larr Pullo

I wanted Shiv to have a graceful end to his career.

liad. typical guyanian race hate.

 
Larr Pullo 2015-05-23 11:12:12 

In reply to Babylon

Why you think I kept calling for him to retire?

 
ProWI 2015-05-23 11:13:31 

Sad state of affairs.

The least the selectors could have done was to allow the Shiv to end his career on Windies home soil, and allow his many fans to give him a well-deserved send-off, after so many years of service to the game.

Well, Shiv should know he was not the first, and certainly will not be the last, to be treated so shabbily.

 
Larr Pullo 2015-05-23 11:17:13 

In reply to ProWI

Why do you guys think he was treated shabbily if indeed they offered him the final two tests against Australia, as long as he agreed to retire?

I remember the ECB called time on Naseer Hussains test career and gave him a last test, and he went out and scored a ton and waved goodbye. That's how you do it!!!!!

 
Chrissy 2015-05-23 11:20:02 

In reply to ProWI

So where did we just play England?

 
StumpCam 2015-05-23 11:27:20 

In reply to Larr Pullo

What record was Hussein attempting to break?
BTW, did you get your tickets? My brother should be at the match today and tomorrow!

 
imusic 2015-05-23 11:32:09 

In reply to Halliwell

So the test victory was Lloyd's
Holder century was Lloyd's
But the loss was Simmo's honeymoon
And drappin Shiv is Simmo and by extension Trinidad?

Commie you are one seriously off key piece of shoulder chipped work

This.

Except it eh no chip. Is a forkane asteroid cool

 
Baje 2015-05-23 11:49:51 

In reply to mental_case

What other reason does Shiv have to keep playing other then to overtake Lara? He's achieved everything in the game.


Maybe he actually thinks he can still bat and contribute.

 
Commie 2015-05-23 11:57:45 

In reply to imusic

Except you all belong to the same ISIS group.

You are the guy who presses the like button on dem videos. And we know why big grin

 
NineMiles 2015-05-23 12:13:57 

In reply to Baje

Maybe he actually thinks he can still bat and contribute.


Every batsman thinks he can still bat and contribute....but that is not necessarily a reason to be picked.

Crabbie needs to walk away gracefully, but then again we all know he lacks class !! razz

 
JamMack 2015-05-23 13:11:00 

In reply to Raggs

The reason why Shiv was NOT allowed to break Lara's record was because most of us loved watching Lara bat, wheras although we appreciated Chanderpaul's runs we really disliked his batting style to the point that we thought it was downright ugly.

 
XDFIX 2015-05-23 13:19:20 

AGE DISCRIMINATION THAT'S IT!! - NOTHING LESS, NOTHING MORE!

 
Larr Pullo 2015-05-23 13:22:03 

If Shiv hav scored more than 91, and 92 runs in his previous two series it would not be a question of 'allowing' him to pass Lara.

 
archangel 2015-05-23 13:25:30 

In reply to Chrissy

Well, if I remember correctly, Lara did get the opportunity to reach that milestone but opted out.

Chanderpaul is not getting the opportunity to reach a milestone I think he wants.

It has been reported here that he is unwilling to retire and I don't agree with that but at least given an ultimatum re the OZ series.

Nothing wrong with wanting to achieve personal goals.

 
archangel 2015-05-23 13:28:52 

Some people are remembered for brilliant achievements and other are remembered for giving yeoman service.

In the end, both should be lauded, equally.

 
cricketfreak 2015-05-23 13:48:15 

I think it was willful done just to protect Lara record .
rolleyes

 
Norm 2015-05-23 13:52:17 

Speculation.

 
TheTrail 2015-05-23 14:51:46 

In reply to Baje

Forget Lara's record. He should be given the chance to prove that he could no longer contribute.



You are joking,right?

He proved it against SA and England.

BTW, in crossing, have you seen the “cut and paste guy and his ERMS”? Tell them Otis Gibson says, hello! lol

 
openning 2015-05-23 14:57:37 

In reply to TheTrail
If the camp is in Barbados, people would see Shiv
Iam listening to BCA cricket, a number of guys are either in Antigua for the President X1 or at the WICB senior camp.
Wanderers don't have Kraigg or Jason this weekend, Kemar not in the Maple squad

 
Ridge 2015-05-23 15:39:12 

Aussies to Chanders.Thank you Chanderpaul for not playing/dropped/ shoved out/ or whatever your nice board did to you.
Now we will gladly enjoy our extra 4 days on the lovely beaches
of the Caribbean.

 
ProWI 2015-05-23 15:40:39 

In reply to Larr Pullo

Why do you guys think he was treated shabbily if indeed they offered him the final two tests against Australia, as long as he agreed to retire?


So Larr. it's even worse than I thought. You are saying they held a knife to his throat - "Only two more Test Shiv, and retire, or else"

Such indignity.

It would have been better to give him the two Tests against Australia, keep the whole matter quiet and let Shiv ponder his future after the series. No they had to add insult to injury with a "do this or else", if your reporting is correct.

I always knew, as I said in another post earlier during the week, once Cameron open his mouth and opined on the matter, nothing good was going to come of it.

So said, so done. The writing was on the wall for all to see.

 
openning 2015-05-23 15:47:39 

In reply to ProWI

My feeling is, Shiv was given the opportunity to let the region know, Jamaica will be his last test
The man wants to go on and Phil want to get to work without distractions.
Phil want to hit the road with his own squad, Shiv is not part of it.

 
ProWI 2015-05-23 16:09:11 

In reply to Chrissy


So where did we just play England?



Ah, but neither we nor he knew that was the end. I was in Bim for the Test and I never saw anything unusual about his batting, just a bit of a slump, which can happen at any age.

If I search for the Conspiracist in me, I might find I have to concur with those who think the safety of Lara's record was lingering in the back of some minds.

Who is the coach? A Trini?

"Oh, ProWI, get a hold of yourself. Get that DAMN devil Conspiracist behind you."



Shameful. I repeat SHAMEFUL.

 
ProWI 2015-05-23 16:16:03 

In reply to openning

My feeling is, Shiv was given the opportunity to let the region know, Jamaica will be his last test
The man wants to go on and Phil want to get to work without distractions.
Phil want to hit the road with his own squad, Shiv is not part of it.


If this is all true, they should let the public know exactly what went down. It would be in everyone's best interest.

Left unsaid, you and all of us are just free to let our imaginations run wild.

 
openning 2015-05-23 16:40:49 

In reply to ProWI

The media knows whats going on, just waiting for the board to make it official
Johnson on the Mason show said, the teams were to be in Barbados yesterday for a Seminar.
Ten local guys are absent from their teams, today.
We need a detective to tell us, if Shiv is in Barbados.

 
Chrissy 2015-05-23 16:45:10 

In reply to ProWI

If you didn't know dat was di end you weren't watching

 
Kurt 2015-05-23 16:57:18 

In reply to openning


My feeling is, Shiv was given the opportunity to let the region know, Jamaica will be his last test
The man wants to go on and Phil want to get to work without distractions.
Phil want to hit the road with his own squad, Shiv is not part of it.


A so me see it too. And nothing wrong with that either. Shiv is 40+, if a new coach wants to go in a different direction, then he should be allowed to.

Now here's the speculative part:

1. Shiv turned down the offer to announce his retirement after the AUS series, saying there's no way he's retiring.
2. The selectors responded by deciding that, in light of Shiv's response, he would not be included in the team for AUS.
3. After Shiv realized they were calling his bluff, he reconsidered and made it known that he would take them up on their original offer.
4. The coach and selectors arenow deciding which way they want to go (i.e. whether the original offer still stands)

 
BeatDball 2015-05-23 19:58:29 

In reply to ProWI Agreed.

 
don1 2015-05-23 20:46:18 

It's flat out disrespect not to have a send off, you guys can try to pin it on Shiv all you want, but they never planned a send off in the series against England or the series agains SA.

I believe he should retire this year, but that is not the point.

You have the most senior player going off willingly or not and you did not plan a send off. That is disrespect to the players and the fans, and to the people of Guyana, and I have never been there.

It's flat out wrong, and those of you who can't see that it's wrong are part of what is wrong with West Indies cricket.

 
Scar 2015-05-23 21:19:01 

In reply to don1
You guys shouldn't use sports that can carry you on a team and slip you in for a minute or two on a farewell tour as comparison. Cricket is one sport where you cant carry any player out of form for 5 or six games with a hope and a prayer just to say goodbye. In those other sports you can

 
don1 2015-05-23 23:43:25 

In reply to Scar

The list of test players who have failed in two consecutive test series would be way too long to list...

Anyway that is hardly the point.

WICB should make it practice of having send offs for long serving players....it's simply good management. Beyond me why persons can't grasp that simple fact.

 
ProWI 2015-05-23 23:51:16 

Just imagine India treating Tendu this way.

Now, please, I don't want anyone responding by saying Shiv is no Tendulkar. That is completely not the point.

It's the disrespect, the ungratefulness, the total lack of appreciation for years of service and the many times he was the only one between the regular defeats and total embarrassment.

Even if it were a 5 Test series, it could have been announced that the 2nd Test would be his last. Most fans would appreciate that. but it a lousy 2 Test series. Why couldn't he have been allowed to make this his last series, even if he had expressed a desire to continue? But, if Larr is right, the proverbial knife was held to his throat and he was told," our way or the highway".

 
JimBob 2015-05-24 05:13:49 

In reply to ProWI


Just imagine India treating Tendu this way.

Now, please, I don't want anyone responding by saying Shiv is no Tendulkar. That is completely not the point.

It's the disrespect, the ungratefulness, the total lack of appreciation for years of service and the many times he was the only one between the regular defeats and total embarrassment.

Even if it were a 5 Test series, it could have been announced that the 2nd Test would be his last. Most fans would appreciate that. but it a lousy 2 Test series. Why couldn't he have been allowed to make this his last series, even if he had expressed a desire to continue? But, if Larr is right, the proverbial knife was held to his throat and he was told," our way or the highway".


Nailed it!