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Did Cameron opt for political expediency...

 
Courtesy 2015-05-24 08:13:48 

...instead of the overall interest of West Indies cricket?

The article which led to my question above.

...And if so, must he Cameron continue to lead the WICB?

In one fell swoop, Clive Lloyd's genius is rebuked.

 
Drapsey 2015-05-24 08:29:00 

In reply to Courtesy

And if so, must he Cameron continue to lead the WICB?

Whatever happened to that Jamaican (and by extension, Caribbean) adage, "If yuh can't beat dem yuh join dem"?

Time to give it up, Courtesy.

 
Courtesy 2015-05-24 08:30:13 

In reply to Drapsey

Is the question relevant or not?

If it's irrelevant I will move on.

 
Larr Pullo 2015-05-24 08:31:44 

In reply to Courtesy

Yes!

 
Courtesy 2015-05-24 08:32:41 

In reply to Larr Pullo

Yes!

Thanks much, Larr.

 
silver 2015-05-24 08:36:57 

In reply to Courtesy


Trouble maker
lol lol lol

 
Courtesy 2015-05-24 08:40:08 

In reply to silver

I will check whether the Guyana Cricket Board supported Cameron in his reelection bid for the Presidency of the WICB.


.........

Just checked it, No. The GCB did not support Cameron. I will move on from there.

 
silver 2015-05-24 08:50:45 

In reply to Courtesy


I trust that you will

lol lol lol lol

 
Chrissy 2015-05-24 08:51:22 

Directors overruling selectors - so what's new? How yuh think Selfishpaul became the scab cappo?
This is all part of di Hell agreement.
When you have licky licky selectors, and owned men posing as leaders they get away with this rubbish.

If the selectors have one shred of self respect left, they will explain their thinking and mek Cameron et al deal wid di results.

 
Courtesy 2015-05-24 08:54:19 

In reply to Chrissy

The board as per the WICB constitution has to ratify the selectors' team recommendation.

But I agree with the overall tenor of your thrust.

 
Commie 2015-05-24 08:56:04 

In reply to Chrissy

We all know how you love due process.

Blast from the past

Of course you didn't say a peep back then.

 
jacksprat 2015-05-24 09:02:30 

Will the Big Cat resign in light of this outrage?

What an egregious show of disrespect!

Expediency seems like a region-wide affliction-not only dogging Cameron and the WICB-where we tend to be more focused on personality than principle!

 
black 2015-05-24 09:05:36 

In reply to Commie

Dude, you are awesome lol

 
FanAttick 2015-05-24 09:07:39 

In reply to jacksprat

Hell froze over..Chrissy and Courtesy joined at the hip lol

 
Courtesy 2015-05-24 09:09:10 

In reply to FanAttick

Hell froze over..Chrissy and Courtesy joined at the hip...


...in the overall interest of West Indies cricket.

big grin

 
Chrissy 2015-05-24 09:12:01 

In reply to Commie

Where were you in 1998 when Rousseau tried to fire Lara and Hooper? rolleyes

 
Larr Pullo 2015-05-24 09:14:36 

In reply to Chrissy

Why you getting all riled up? If the directors directed that Shiv play, they are only postponing the inevitable...

 
Commie 2015-05-24 09:18:59 

In reply to Chrissy

And they were reinstated partly because of the same Clive Lloyd.

And indeed you recently championed Rousseau as a man who KNOWS the Board constitution when he himself savaged Cameron.

You see how this roundabout goes ?

If Shiv fails as is likely it won't mean a thing so why all the angst ?

 
Larr Pullo 2015-05-24 09:23:26 

In reply to Commie

If Shiv fails as is likely it won't mean a thing so why all the angst ?


What the board should have done is invite Shiv and his family to Dominica, host a nice classy reception there for him, then have an event at the ground during lunch on the first day where they honor his service, present him with a medal, and invite other crickeing greats, Sobers, Lara, Viv, Lloyd to participate.

Playing him in two more tests when he's clearly past his best is silly. It just shows that they are not taking the cricket seriously.

 
Drapsey 2015-05-24 09:24:12 

In reply to Commie

Thanks Commie.

You always seem to be this great equalizer.

Carry on!

 
FanAttick 2015-05-24 09:25:11 

In reply to Larr Pullo

The board will host a reception at Bina

 
Larr Pullo 2015-05-24 09:26:49 

In reply to FanAttick

Or BiNA, THAT DIDN'T MEAN HE HAD TO PLAY.

 
Courtesy 2015-05-24 09:27:19 

Drapsey5/24/15 10:24:12 AM
In reply to Commie

Thanks Commie.

You always seem to be this great equalizer.

Carry on.



Ahmmmm!



Drapsey 1/17/15 10:50:11 AM
In reply to Headley
I like that word, Controversy, if only because it eluded the HHGS Amen Corner when they used names like Courtesy; Commie; Cuter; Century; Cheeks; and for the life of me, I can't remember the "C" name used by Imran.

 
Commie 2015-05-24 09:28:42 

In reply to Larr Pullo

Who is better than Shiv ?

Shai Hope ?

You realise what the Presidents 11 match was for right.

You realise what they wanted to do.

Slot either Hope or Leon Johnson into the Shiv position and see who is next in line to open.

But to ensure Hope is protected they declined to play him in the Presidents 11 match.

Shiv needs to retire but its not going to hinder WI him playing these next two matches.

 
jacksprat 2015-05-24 09:38:48 

In reply to Larr Pullo

It just shows that they are not taking the cricket seriously.

And of course this never dawned on you when they sent a second string team to SA to contest the Champions Trophy, even after the first team had ended their industrial action; When they had the useless Sammy as captain for 3 years running; Or when they gave the cricketing geriatric, Floyd Reifer, a "developmental" retainer contract simply for being a scab, etc? rolleyes

 
Larr Pullo 2015-05-24 09:40:50 

In reply to Commie

Who is better than Shiv ?


That's irrelevant at this point. Shiv is clearly at the end of his career and Hope hasn't even started yet.

The question that should be asked is, what is to be gained by playing Shiv? Is Shiv getting an opportunity at attaining a record important in the realm of WI cricket?

We need to depart from the muddled thinking that has bedeviled us for so long. Shiv could be honored WITHOUT having him in the XI to play against Australia.

 
Courtesy 2015-05-24 09:40:57 

In reply to jacksprat

If you cannot stay on message get off my facking thread.

 
Chrissy 2015-05-24 09:41:38 

In reply to jacksprat

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Leff dem!!

 
Larr Pullo 2015-05-24 09:42:06 

In reply to jacksprat

Dude Shut up!!! You always chuntering on about some crap that doesn't matter.

 
Chrissy 2015-05-24 09:43:47 

In reply to Larr Pullo

It does matter - not because you choose to forget that you supported dat crap.

Selection is supposed to be made on merit not as a long service award or because you sell out your team-mates on behalf of di Board or its sponsors.

 
Larr Pullo 2015-05-24 09:46:12 

In reply to Chrissy

Ummm in WI cricket there are no innocents, just situations!!!

 
Commie 2015-05-24 09:46:25 

In reply to Larr Pullo

Actually the answer is yes. You live in the US where players are routinely given the opportunity to break records and are cheered on by their fans and franchises.

The record is a milestone. He will never be as good as Lara or even thought of in the same breath. However he has earned the right because longevity is a form of excellence in a sport and region so bedevilled with politics.

 
black 2015-05-24 09:48:39 

In reply to Commie

Well said

 
Larr Pullo 2015-05-24 09:51:09 

In reply to Commie

Actually the answer is yes. You live in the US where players are routinely given the opportunity to break records and are cheered on by their fans and franchises.


The honest truth is that if Shiv really wanted that record, he could have gotten it already. When he had the opportunity to launch an assault on it, against Bangladesh, he batted like Bangladesh was bowling hand grenades. Then when the better bowling attacks came in the form of SA and Eng, he failed because HE IS DONE!!! Getting 4 more innings against Australia will not change anything. Ausies don't like their names in record books on the wrong side, so he will bat like he never batted before to get it against them.

 
jacksprat 2015-05-24 09:52:19 

In reply to Larr Pullo

It 'does not matter' because you are as unprincipled and opportunistic and as many of those involved with West Indies cricket!

In reply to Courtesy

If you cannot stay on message get off my facking thread.

You do not own this MB or the discourse that goes on here. If you want to keep up a private conversation send your friends a PM or an email! evil

 
Courtesy 2015-05-24 09:57:10 

This all boils down to lack of leadership and planning on the part of the WICB.

Why couldn't the WICB tell Shiv that the last series against England was to be his last and all the accolades and glitter presented to him in Barbados?

Further, if the WICB in their planning and wisdom wanted to keep Shiv going after the England series then why ask coach Phil Simmons to meet with him and perhaps embarrass the new coach in the end when he made a decision on Chanpaul.

In addition, I said it then, when the new coach was asked to meet with Shiv "that the board lacked the intestinal fortitude to take what seemed like an unpopular decision". Why expose Phil simmons to this pappyshow?

It appears, this latest saga and apparent reversal is only intended to save face and consolidate power in light of recent media reports that it was all over for Shiv and like good politicians...

 
Courtesy 2015-05-24 10:00:42 

In reply to jacksprat

You do not own this MB or the discourse that goes on here. If you want to keep up a private conversation send your friends a PM or an email!


big grin

OK mate, I have sent you a PM saying "fack off".



lol lol lol

 
Commie 2015-05-24 10:01:13 

In reply to Courtesy

I agree on the planning but the home season would be the appropriate way forward given the spread of the tests allowing for a proper farewell.

After all its only 5 tests, which is a typical series in the past.

Instead the moment has been seized and a hero has been born.

is it a bird, is it a plane, no...its President Cameron,swooping in to rescue Shiv from the ungrateful selectors.

Super Dave big grin

 
Larr Pullo 2015-05-24 10:02:35 

In reply to Courtesy

This all boils down to lack of leadership and planning on the part of the WICB.


Super Dave failed to lead and plan so he could cast himself in the role as hero? smile smile

 
Courtesy 2015-05-24 10:03:04 

In reply to Commie

I agree on the planning but the home season would be the appropriate way forward given the spread of the tests allowing for a proper farewell.

After all its only 5 tests, which is a typical series in the past.

Instead the moment has been seized and a hero has been born.

is it a bird, is it a plane, no...its President Cameron,swooping in to rescue Shiv from the ungrateful selectors.

Super Dave



lol lol lol

I read you loud and clear mate.

 
jacksprat 2015-05-24 10:04:35 

In reply to Courtesy

I am not one of your 'friends' dummy! rolleyes

 
Courtesy 2015-05-24 10:04:51 

In reply to Larr Pullo

Super Dave failed to lead and plan so he could cast himself in the role as hero?


Did you speak with Commie?

big grin

 
Courtesy 2015-05-24 10:06:06 

In reply to jacksprat

I am not one of your 'friends' dummy!


As my enemy I sent you another PM saying "fack off."

wink wink wink

 
Larr Pullo 2015-05-24 10:06:07 

In reply to Courtesy

It's fairly obvious that this has nothing to do with Shiv, but is all about Commie people dem... smile smile

 
Courtesy 2015-05-24 10:19:31 

In reply to Larr Pullo

It's fairly obvious that this has nothing to do with Shiv,...


Political expediency?

And I ask again...is it in the overall interest of the organisation?

 
Kurt 2015-05-24 11:14:20 

In reply to Courtesy

Really? Its long been known that the board had to sign off on the selectors' choice of skipper. Given the administrative function associated with that role (selector,disciplinary etc) it makes some sense.

However, I've never heard that the board had to ratify the playing XI. Never mind actually force a player into the team. That is crazy! The board in theory can then pick the entire playing XI.

 
Courtesy 2015-05-24 11:29:23 

In reply to Kurt

...The board in theory can then pick the entire playing XI.

What is the function of the Cricket Committee of the WICB?

Who sits at the top of the organogram?

While on this you may wish to look up the meaning of ratify.

 
sudden 2015-05-24 11:44:41 

wasn't it reported that originally Shiv was told the oz series is his last and he should announce his retirement. he refused and therefore was dropped. so now he has been reinstated, will he announce his retirement or wait to be dropped?

 
Courtesy 2015-05-24 11:50:35 

In reply to sudden

He was told the England series would be his last.

And Phil Simmons was mandated to speak with him.

Vinode Mamchan...Chanders to miss out against the Aussies.

 
Commie 2015-05-24 11:58:26 

In reply to Courtesy

Lemme correct.

Dinas has spoken.

This is interesting.

 
Courtesy 2015-05-24 11:59:39 

In reply to Commie

Vinode hasn't called my partner and Admin's partner yet.

Ram is monitoring every post here.

big grin

 
Commie 2015-05-24 12:04:34 

In reply to Courtesy

Vinode was speaking with foresight. Unfortunately he got rumbled.

 
Courtesy 2015-05-24 12:05:56 

In reply to Commie

Vinode was speaking with foresight. Unfortunately he got rumbled.

By Cameron...the smiling assassin.

big grin

 
Courtesy 2015-05-24 12:32:07 

"I have never really liked how we have ushered out our players, so as president I am always trying to figure out how to honour them," Cameron told CMC.


I am now convinced that after this quoted statement above by Cameron media reports out of Guyana on this matter are false. Very false.

End of story. Dis done.

 
Wally-1 2015-05-24 13:25:57 

In reply to Commie

big grin big grin

 
anandgb 2015-05-24 14:10:43 

In reply to Chrissy

When you have licky licky selectors, and owned men posing as leaders they get away with this rubbish.

If the selectors have one shred of self respect left, they will explain their thinking and mek Cameron et al deal wid di results.


What did you say when Gordon overruled the selectors' decision to have Sarwan as cappo and reinstated Lara?

 
Narper 2015-05-24 14:12:20 

In reply to anandgb

She didn't get the "Twissy" title jus so




and...in recent time she is busy twisting white fowl neck big grin

 
anandgb 2015-05-24 14:18:13 

In reply to Narper

lol lol lol lol

She is nothing but a hypocrite. When it suits her she does not protest.

 
Courtesy 2015-05-25 13:23:15 

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh!!

Pontius Pilate.

Something happened along the way.


lol lol lol