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Powerful, powerful words. I endorse fully
Admin
2015-06-26 13:58:02
Justice Kennedy:
"No union is more profound than marriage, for it embodies the highest ideals of love, fidelity, devotion, sacrifice, and family. In forming a marital union, two people become something greater than once they were. As some of the petitioners in these cases demonstrate, marriage embodies a love that may endure even past death. It would misunderstand these men and women to say they disrespect the idea of marriage. Their plea is that they do respect it, respect it so deeply that they seek to find its fulfillment for themselves. Their hope is not to be condemned to live in loneliness, excluded from one of civilization’s oldest institutions. They ask for equal dignity in the eyes of the law. The Constitution grants them that right.
The judgment of the Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit is reversed. It is so ordered."
_ryan
steveo
2015-06-26 14:06:24
Marriage is not needed for love. Marriage is not needed for a lifetime partnership.
Marriage is needed for FAMILY, an institution to nurture and raise the next generation. Thats its purpose in our civilization.
I want to see a same sex couple CREATE a family. I know, I know they will adopt. I want to see the next generation of fcuked-in-the-heads that were raised by two dads.
Admin
2015-06-26 14:11:26
In reply to steveo
I want to see the next generation of fcuked-in-the-heads that were raised by two dads.
You, sir, are a gigantic idiot. I can't say more.
_r
Commie
2015-06-26 14:14:17
In reply to steveo
I dont get that.
As much as my own upbringing makes it difficult for me to normalise gay couples without getting rid of a heap of stereotypes, doesnt the amount of fcucked up children in this world from so called normal couples make you pause for thought ?
There are enough kids in this world who need people to love and take care of them right now.
runout
2015-06-26 14:16:45
Steveo...I see your point. I wonder when it comes to role models...how does a girl react when she has two men as parents?
And children they always have a favorite parent, mom or dad....how does the child negotiate this?
I am all for choice....anyone can do as they please, however there is a consequence that is unforeseen in this case.
Admin
2015-06-26 14:18:10
In reply to runout
And children they always have a favorite parent, mom or dad....how does the child negotiate this?
What are you, 12 years old?!?!
My head is about to explode from the stupidity coming from you. Go in a corner and sit down. Pee and catch your bed.
_r
steveo
2015-06-26 14:31:01
In reply to Admin
You, sir, are a gigantic idiot. I can't say more.
When you go, go big!!!
excalibur
2015-06-26 14:33:49
In reply to runout
I was in the park once on a nice Summer day, two young couples in their early 20's, one of the men was beating his wife/girlfriend in the stomach in the face like you would beat another man. The beating stopped and they continued eating their picnic lunch, all of a sudden the beating started again, for no reason and it was even worse this time if it could be worse, didn't have a cell with me so I couldn't call the cops. It struck me that the other couple never tried to stop the beating and carried on like it was normal.
Lesson of the day, people could be conditioned to accept ANYTHING and right or wrong, it soon becomes normal to all.
steveo
2015-06-26 14:35:04
In reply to runout
Steveo...I see your point. I wonder when it comes to role models...how does a girl react when she has two men as parents?
And children they always have a favorite parent, mom or dad....how does the child negotiate this?
I am all for choice....anyone can do as they please, however there is a consequence that is unforeseen in this case.
this: "however there is a consequence that is unforeseen in this case"
runout
2015-06-26 14:57:29
In reply to Admin
Dude...let your head explode ifi it have to...what stupidity did I post? Can't you agree to disagree, or are you too dense to entertain an opposing view?
It is folks like you who feels compelled to dictate to others, who wants inclusivity, but then like a rabid bi-polar lunatic becomes intolerant in a nano second.
Carry on...I don't need to have the likes of you dictating my princples in life.
JimBob
2015-06-26 15:07:31
To each his/her own. A decision that was long overdue! Proud of my peeps.
ray
2015-06-26 15:26:41
Kudos to SCOTUS
Love is love...does not know color, religion, sex etc etc
runout
2015-06-26 15:30:36
In reply to ray
The same can be said for every human emotion/condition, no?
Live and let live. Whatever works for you, do it, without bringing harm to others.
Ninetenjack
2015-06-26 15:36:25
The problem with westindian people is that they keep looking at this issue as one of sexuality, happy to admit I was one such person, but my thinking has evolved. When you start to look at this as a civil rights issue on par with what black people fought for in the 60s then it starts to become a whole lot clearer.
Admin
2015-06-26 16:13:28
In reply to Ninetenjack
You, sir, are a mensch. You've hit the nail on the head.
_ryan
Dukes
2015-06-26 16:23:55
In reply to Ninetenjack
I went to the UK as a 17 year old and a year later I was in University.I had never been exposed to gays or lesbians but after a few years I realized that they were not different in any significant way.
The problem is that many West Indians when they see a gay or Lesbian can not get past thinking about them having sex when in fact they are having sex less than 1% of the time.
When I look at Ellen I am not imaging her making love to a woman I am too busy laughing at her jokes and admiring her generosity of spirit.
I see some Guyanese come to Brooklyn in their twenties and thirty years later they are still living like they are back in Guyana.Drinking rum every Friday and Saturday night.Eating black pudding and souse every weekend and all their friends are Guyanese.They refuse to travel anywhere except go back to Guyana and take absolutely no interest in American life and politics.
In other words THEY DO NOT EVOLVE.
Admin
2015-06-26 16:30:44
In reply to Dukes
I see some Guyanese come to Brooklyn in their twenties and thirty years later they are still living like they are back in Guyana.Drinking rum every Friday and Saturday night.Eating black pudding and souse every weekend and all their friends are Guyanese.They refuse to travel anywhere except go back to Guyana and take absolutely no interest in American life and politics.
In other words THEY DO NOT EVOLVE.
This is 100% correct. But thankfully it's changing with the next generation. At my daughter's high school, openly gay kids are everywhere and embraced as normal. At her prom two nights ago, who girls who are dating got all dressed up for prom, shared the same party bus with my daughter and her friends,
and it was just completely normal.
The school has gay pride week and
everyone wears their rainbow ribbons and makes sure no one is bullied or made to feel lesser. This is heart-warming.
My son is 12 years old and the whole issue of gays and lesbians doesn't have an ounce of strangeness to him.
_ryan
WI_cricfan
2015-06-26 16:33:48
In reply to Dukes
True story Dukes. I know a lot of them in Queens as well
Yamfoot
2015-06-26 19:08:15
In reply to Dukes
That point u make about the sex is often a thought i have had myself. And when i have spoken to ppl who uncomfortable with 2 male hays i have ofyen said "just forget the sex".
And all the men who like to get off on 2 women getting it on, then turnaround and condemn lesbianism..not right.
I am thankful that i was around dancers and models who were gay from i was a child. They were to me...regular people. And lemme tell u that as a heterosexual woman..it is hilarious to be around a group of gay men. And when u hear them criticize their own...the ones they call fairies, it is fall down funny...pardon my pun 
Dont hate. The science has shown that genes also have a part to play in homosexuality too.
Runs
2015-06-26 20:19:08
In reply to steveo
Well said, fully endorsed 
Am all for equal rights but some things are better left alone and for the creator to decide.
As a civil issue the Court ruled correctly, religiouswise there will be pros and cons depends on the religion etc etc
Admin
2015-06-26 21:47:26
In reply to Runs
Anything that upsets religion is alright by me. Imagine god telling alyuh to hate another human being. God does make alyuh do some ungodly things.
_r
Runs
2015-06-26 22:29:58
In reply to Admin
Saying "alyuh"is painting with a broad brush, pretty asinine if you ask me, how can you blame the whole because of a few? No religion teaches hatred my friend, human beings do. How about your religion or atheist views? What makes you think that you are righteous and of higher moral standing as compared to religious people? 
Admin
2015-06-26 23:26:34
In reply to Runs
What makes you think that you are righteous and of higher moral standing as compared to religious people?
Common sense.
_r
Ayenmol
2015-06-27 01:42:05
In reply to Admin
Maybe you need to get some common sense about common sense. Because nothing common about your agenda.
the reason there is male and female organs are for procreation. the reason man is are attracted to woman is for the continuity of life and the species.
Common sense says love and intimacy go hand in hand with procreation and survival.
There's a reason why we have taste buds. Yet there are many who eat things that should never go into the body.
conman
2015-06-27 04:12:09
In reply to Ayenmol
What does marriage have to do with procreation?
Runs
2015-06-27 06:14:47
Runs
2015-06-27 06:19:33
In reply to conman
We can debate that from a civil or religious viewpoint. What is good about this is as American citizens it is their civil right to do so as they can now claim benefits such as health care, taxes etc that they could not do before. It was a 5-4 decision so one can see some of the Justices were split and I am thinking they had a hard time between the Church and State issue. I am now reading up on it will opine when I get all the facts. Religionwise, you will get procreation arguments, theology doctrine, etc etc and so on and so forth.
Runs
2015-06-27 06:36:41
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Now you close minded fellas read about religious tolerance
camos
2015-06-27 08:30:01
marriage is more business than love,you don't need laws to protect love!
steveo
2015-06-27 09:01:32
The U.S. Is pushing gay agenda because of the urgent need for population control, they will never do something overt like China and limit u to one child. That's the real reason, civil rights is just the facade.
I don't understand why gay people need to be "married ", how about a "gay-union " with the same tax breaks etc.
Runs
2015-06-27 09:26:34
In reply to steveo
Hmmm
Runs
2015-06-27 09:28:27
In reply to camos
True and when partnerships go bad file for bankruptcy and dissolve the company er union er marriage
Tryangle
2015-06-27 09:39:35
In reply to steveo
I think the civil union concept was exposed as a 'separate but equal' thing so wasn't satisfactory for same-sex couples.
Now one thing that hasn't been proposed is for government to do away with marriage altogether, let churches do what they want and only be in the business of civil unions for all couples that wish it... of course that could just lead to oddles of red tape.
black
2015-06-27 09:56:58
In reply to runout
Steveo...I see your point. I wonder when it comes to role models...how does a girl react when she has two men as parents?
And children they always have a favorite parent, mom or dad....how does the child negotiate this?
I am all for choice....anyone can do as they please, however there is a consequence that is unforeseen in this case.
You fools are still living in the 1960's
The kids today don't care
Runs
2015-06-27 10:46:31
In reply to black
Tomorrow the millenials will though, we can say now that they have the folly of youth. When they look around and see all the societal ills they will sober up quickly
There is a reason certain great civilizations went extinct. One need to look back at history and not repeat the same mistakes as they did.
steveo
2015-06-27 10:49:33
In reply to black
The don't care externally, but under the surface there are things taking place that will be with them for a long time.
googly1961
2015-06-27 10:54:24
In reply to Admin
Speaking of that uncommon fellow, Common Sense, BBC World Service recently read the following:
Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense, who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape.
He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as:
Knowing when to come in out of the rain; why the early bird gets the worm:
Life isn’t always fair, and maybe it was my fault.
Common sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don’t spend more than you can earn) and reliable strategies (adults are in charge not children)
His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well-intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place. Reports of an 8 year old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate, teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch, and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition.
Common sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job they themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly children. It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer sun lotion or an aspirin to a student, but could not inform parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.
Common sense lost the will to live as the churches became businesses, and criminals received better treatment than their victims.
Common sense took a beating when you couldn’t defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the burglar could sue you for assault.
Common sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.
Common sense was preceded in death, by his parents, Truth and Trust
His wife, Discretion
His daughter, Responsibility
His son, Reason.
He is survived by his 4 stepbrothers
I Know My Rights
I Want My Rights
I Want It Now
I’m A Victim.
Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.
black
2015-06-27 10:57:53
In reply to Runs
Tomorrow they will when they look around and see all the societal ills though cool
There is a reason certain great civilizations went extinct. One need to look back at history and not repeat the same mistakes as they did.
What social ills? Gays have been around forever
How does it affect your life?
The U.S is not the first to legalize gay marriage. People from those countries (where it is legal) is not mysteriously turning gay
steveo
2015-06-27 11:07:11
In reply to black
How does it affect your life?
You are such a dumb ass. That is the thinking from people in a place where everyone lives in an isolated bubble.
How the fcuk does allowing a grown man to marry a 10 year old affect you?
Or a woman marrying a donkey?
See, if we were going by the rule "it doesnt affect me", society would go down the toilet
steveo
2015-06-27 11:11:06
In reply to Runs
Tomorrow the millenials will though we can say they now have the folly of youth. When they look around and see all the societal ills they will sober up quicklycool
There is a reason certain great civilizations went extinct. One need to look back at history and not repeat the same mistakes as they did.
There is a thing called Emotional Intelligence which I find most highly educated individuals lack.
Commie
2015-06-27 11:14:57
In reply to steveo
You really think gays marrying is driving YOUR society down ?
black
2015-06-27 11:15:31
In reply to steveo
How the fcuk does allowing a grown man to marry a 10 year old affect you?
Or a woman marrying a donkey?
See, if we were going by the rule "it doesnt affect me", society would go down the toilet
Same BS arguments from Repubs
Who in the fcuk is allowing people to marry donkeys and 10 yo?
steveo
2015-06-27 11:26:53
In reply to black
Same BS arguments from Repubs lol lol lol
Who in the fcuk is allowing people to marry donkeys and 10 yo?
You are skilled in avoiding the point, some might say trained.
I am no Republican, in fact you come across as a republican far more than me.
steveo
2015-06-27 11:27:27
In reply to Commie
You really think gays marrying is driving YOUR society down ?
You think its helping?
By the way, I dont have a problem with gays having a civil union but why call it marriage?
Also, I dont think they should be allowed to adopt.
JOJO
2015-06-27 11:30:41
In reply to steveo
How the fcuk does allowing a grown man to marry a 10 year old affect you?
As Admin said---you Sir, are an idiot. If you cannot see a distinction between the above and the activities of two consenting adults, then nobody can help you. You simply lack common sense.
steveo
2015-06-27 11:35:43
In reply to Tryangle
I think the civil union concept was exposed as a 'separate but equal' thing so wasn't satisfactory for same-sex couples.
OK
black
2015-06-27 11:38:29
In reply to steveo
Is a 10 year old a legal consenting adult?
Do Donkeys have the same rights as humans?
steveo
2015-06-27 11:40:16
In reply to JOJO
As Admin said---you Sir, are an idiot. If you cannot see a distinction between the above and the activities of two consenting adults, then nobody can help you. You simply lack common sense.
and you sir are a jackass. You took that quote out of context and missed the point I was making to black.
Commie
2015-06-27 11:44:18
In reply to steveo
I asked a straight question.
How can gays marrying in the US hinder your society?
Guyana has some of the highest migration rates in the world anyway, and many of these ppl migrate to the US to that gay friendly society and then subsist their ppl at home who are not gay friendly..much like my own country.
What exactly is the problem?
Runs
2015-06-27 11:44:53
In reply to black
The U.S is not the first to legalize gay marriage.
People from those countries (where it is legal) is not mysteriously turning gay.
Learn to write proper english, " people are"
steveo
2015-06-27 11:49:17
In reply to Commie
What exactly is the problem?
I have a problem labeling a man-man union as marriage. Thats it.
By the way gays are running things in Guyana right now, you will be stretched to find intolerance here.
Dukes
2015-06-27 11:54:03
In reply to steveo
By the way gays are running things in Guyana right now, you will be stretched to find intolerance here.
Since you apparently know who the gays are. Is BJ gay?
Commie
2015-06-27 11:55:07
In reply to steveo
Men married children routinely as part of royal unions and it was termed marriage.
People are married every day and live in shambolic situations with little or no love or respect in what passes as a home without disgust for the so called institution.
Look..im no more coded to automatically be comfortable with this but this is as much social conditioning as anything else.
Society won't fall apart and the sky won't fall in.
steveo
2015-06-27 11:57:54
In reply to Dukes
Since you apparently know who the gays are. Is BJ gay?
Why you interested in the man bedroom business? Or do you have an attraction for the man?
I dont mean "running things" as in power. A lot of people are openly gay without any fear(or anything to fear).
black
2015-06-27 12:11:31
In reply to Runs
People from those countries (where it is legal) is not mysteriously turning gay.
It is not incorrect
I checked it
Runs
2015-06-27 12:21:05
In dissent, Chief Justice Roberts said the majority opinion was “an act of will, not legal judgment.”
“The court invalidates the marriage laws of more than half the states and orders the transformation of a social institution that has formed the basis of human society for millennia, for the Kalahari Bushmen and the Han Chinese, the Carthaginians and the Aztecs,” he wrote. “Just who do we think we are?”
Runs
2015-06-27 12:26:44
The majority and dissenting opinions took differing views about whether the decision would harm religious liberty. Justice Kennedy said the First Amendment “ensures that religious organizations and persons are given proper protection as they seek to teach the principles that are so fulfilling and so central to their lives and faiths.” He said both sides should engage in “an open and searching debate.”
Chief Justice Roberts responded that “people of faith can take no comfort in the treatment they receive from the majority today.”
Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr., in his dissent, saw a broader threat from the majority opinion. “It will be used to vilify Americans who are unwilling to assent to the new orthodoxy,” Justice Alito wrote. “In the course of its opinion, the majority compares traditional marriage laws to laws that denied equal treatment for African-Americans and women. The implications of this analogy will be exploited by those who are determined to stamp out every vestige of dissent.
Dukes
2015-06-27 13:01:29
In reply to steveo
A lot of people are openly gay without any fear(or anything to fear).
Do you think they should live in fear?
Does the society you want,mandate that they should live in fear??
If not why make such an observation??
steveo
2015-06-27 13:13:52
In reply to Dukes
Because gays previously were bashed, in Guyana and around the world. Thats not the case anymore.
Dude am I coming across like a dancehall singer? I am not bashing gays or advocating that.
Runs
2015-06-27 13:18:18
In reply to steveo
Dude, like you new to the scene these guys obfuscate and steer conversations to their liking. Holla pun he and put he back on course, ADHD like um kickin in
steveo
2015-06-27 13:20:28
In reply to Runs
Holla pun he and put he back on course, ADHD like um kickin in
I dont want to holla pun uncle Dukes
One of these days I might need he boy Granger for a favor
Runs
2015-06-27 14:25:44
In reply to steveo
Granger is a good man eh
Runs
2015-06-27 14:51:30
In reply to JOJO
Then what's next approval of incest by 2 consenting adults? Polygamy? Where do we draw the line?
black
2015-06-27 15:47:35
In reply to Runs
You guys keep coming up with outrageous examples to make your arguments
Runs
2015-06-27 15:56:14
In reply to black
May seem outrageous today, take this ruling 10 years back and we can say the same.
Will follow this closely
conman
2015-06-27 16:14:06
In reply to Runs
Then what's next approval of incest by 2 consenting adults? Polygamy? Where do we draw the line?
Or even worse 2 consenting adults OF DIFFERENT RACES having sex and giving birth to a halfling of a child. The world is going up in flames. Just be thankful women cant vote or make decisions without a man
black
2015-06-27 16:16:41
In reply to Runs
Is Sharia law ok with you?
black
2015-06-27 16:18:06
Admin
2015-06-27 16:55:14
In reply to conman
Or even worse 2 consenting adults OF DIFFERENT RACES having sex and giving birth to a halfling of a child. The world is going up in flames. Just be thankful women cant vote or make decisions without a man
Game over.
_ryan
Runs
2015-06-27 17:35:41
In reply to black
I live in the USA last time I checked it was not a muslim country so that is not applicable. Next question
black
2015-06-27 17:54:46
In reply to Runs
So you don't have an opinion on it?
You seem to have opinions on everything else
Runs
2015-06-27 17:56:03
In reply to black
Sharia law is applied in muslim countries. What don't you get? Hello anyone home up there?
Runs
2015-06-27 18:00:39
hotarobin
2015-06-27 18:12:40
the eagle is on it's descent.....
Ayenmol
2015-06-27 18:23:35
I do not hate gay people. They are just people. However this lifestyle is an aversion of morality. I believe in a Creator whop created man with a purpose. That of filling the Earth with Perfect Humankind under God's righteous rule. Satan placed himself in opposition to the Creator. Deceiving the Couple, a man and a woman, to seek their selfish longing, apptly telling them that they, by eating the fruit, would be JUST like God knowing good and bad.
This is just a continuation of that myth. That man can choose for himself. That he can break away from God's purpose and continue to seek his own selfish longing. There are those who will seek to paint this with a brush of wisdom. Yet it is a perversion. Not something Natural. Not accomplishing any purpose other than selfish desire spurred on by the Ruler of this World who wants nothing more than to continue to thwart God's righteous standards and take man with him into everlasting cutting of. He is at the end of his rope. Not unlike all the murder suicides we see today, he knows he is going down and he is willing to take the majority with him.
Everything we enjoy today has a beginning. Every creation, invention is protected by law. The owner has a right to set parameters for the use of their property. Even after that which WAS their property, made solely for sale is sold. They still have a right to say how it can be used.
Even this website. Nothing it would be without the people who choose to come here and make it relevant, has rules in place governing it's use. In fact if you were to do something deemed by the proprietors as forbidden? whether you read the rules or not they would render judgement.
And rightly so.
Yet we speak of Common sense.
We speak of love.
How many times a day do we avoid decisions that are within our right to make out of love for our kids. Our spouse. Our neighbor. Our workmates.
Where is our love for our God. Our respect for his Creation. Instead we claim he does not exist so we can keep on satisfying our every will and desire.
Halliwell
2015-06-27 18:31:55
In reply to Yamfoot
Dont hate. The science has shown that genes also have a part to play in homosexuality too.
Whoa whoa hold on
What?
Runs
2015-06-27 19:01:21
Since the ’90s, approval of divorce, premarital sex, and out-of-wedlock childbearing have climbed steadily, and the belief that children are “very important” to marriage has collapsed. Kennedy’s ruling argues that the right to marry is essential, in part, because the institution “safeguards children and families.” But the changing cultural attitudes that justify his jurisprudence increasingly treat this safeguard as inessential, a potentially nice but hardly necessary thing.
And the same is true of marriage itself. America is not quite so “advanced” as certain European societies, but our marriage rate is at historic lows, with the millennial generation, the vanguard of support for same-sex marriage, leading the retreat. Millennials may agree with Kennedy’s ruling, but they’re making his view of marriage as “a keystone of the nation’s social order” look antique. In their views and (lack of) vows, they’re taking a more relaxed perspective, in which wedlock is malleable and optional, one way among many to love, live, rear kids — or not.
In this sense, the gay rights movement has won twice over. Its conservative wing won the right to normalcy for gay couples, while rapid cultural change has made the definition of normalcy less binding than the gay left once feared.
In vain social conservatives have argued that this combination isn’t a coincidence, that support for same-sex marriage and the decline of straight marital norms exist in a kind of feedback loop, that an idea can have conservative consequences for one community and revolutionary implications overall.
This argument was rutled out, irrationally, as irrational, but it probably wouldn’t have mattered if the courts were willing to consider it. Too many Americans clearly just like the more relaxed view of marriage’s importance, and the fact that this relaxation makes room for our gay friends and neighbors is only part of its appeal. Straight America has its own reasons for seeking liberation from the old rules, its own hopes of joy and happiness to chase.
Unfortunately I see little evidence that people are actually happier in the emerging dispensation, or that their children are better off, or that the cause of social justice is well-served, or that declining marriage rates and thinning family trees (plus legal pressure on religious communities that are exceptions to this rule) promise anything save greater loneliness for the majority, and stagnation overall.
hotarobin
2015-06-27 19:10:00
In reply to Ayenmol
Where is our love for our God. Our respect for his Creation. Instead we claim he does not exist so we can keep on satisfying our every will and desire.
which is why it is mostly pointless to have these discussions on forums like this....cause most of these folks in this discussion believe that they are right in their own eyes and are not prepared to receive the truth...and if they are are like Admin they will eventually curse you and call you idiot and hater and other names....
Runs
2015-06-27 19:18:18
In reply to hotarobin
That is because democracy is new to them, they bring their third world baggage. It may work for them there, but in a free and democratic society, we are all entitled to our own opinions and viewpoints, which we can share, without fear of harm or other repercussions. Well, he can ban you, but then having posters with the same views and exhibiting a dislike for healthy debate with different viewpoints will make the MB boring, and so much poorer.
He can lambast and label all he wants, classless.
conman
2015-06-27 20:05:46
In reply to Ayenmol
Your slave masters would be so proud of you
powen001
2015-06-27 20:12:30
In reply to Admin
Anything that upsets religion is alright by me. Imagine god telling alyuh to hate another human being. God does make alyuh do some ungodly things.
actually it is the sin he hates...not the people.
I have Gay friends..and I mean both female and males...
I do believe God Loves them as He loves me and it is his call, not mine as I have no hatred or animosity towards Gays.
What I am miffed about is the vitriol that is spewed at people who publicly state that they do not understand or care to understand the lifestyle and wish to get married...the boycotting of businesses etc...the blacklisting of artists etc etc etc.
That for me is an issue.
What people do in the privacy of their bedrooms is their business... LOVE conquers everything. I truly believe that.
Yamfoot
2015-06-27 20:14:47
In reply to Halliwell
Yup. Google it.
black
2015-06-27 20:21:17
In reply to powen001
What I am miffed about is the vitriol that is spewed at people who publicly state that they do not understand or care to understand the lifestyle and wish to get married...the boycotting of businesses etc...the blacklisting of artists etc etc etc.
It has been pretty effective too
It is none of my business what they do, but I know they should have the right to do it
black
2015-06-27 20:23:17
In reply to Halliwell
Now you can tell people "it's all in the genes"
conman
2015-06-27 20:29:35
In reply to powen001
He does not hate sin he hates the people. Have u paid attention to what is a sin in the bible? From shrimp to mixed fabric clothing. But he chooses to hate poeple
powen001
2015-06-27 20:34:05
In reply to conman
Yes I have...and I know the difference between establishing a law to going beyond the Law to establishing the GRACE, embodied by Jesus Christ.
Do you know the difference?
black
2015-06-27 20:36:26
In reply to powen001
What if short people were not allowed to get married?
conman
2015-06-27 20:49:42
In reply to powen001
No. Enlighten me
hotarobin
2015-06-27 21:03:58
In reply to black
It is none of my business what they do, but I know they should have the right to do it
next up men who will love little girls and boys who consent to the man or woman stroking them for money...after all it's none of my business what they do but I know that they have a right to do it...oh what a slippery slope we slide....
black
2015-06-27 21:13:25
In reply to hotarobin
How are little boys and girls consenting adults?
powen001
2015-06-27 21:14:58
In reply to conman
at the risk of getting into vain disputations-
Old Testament...establishing a system to test obedience.
New Testament- Grace...goes way beyond observing the Law-
case in point-
Homosexuality is frowned upon and considered an abomination by Gods word -
Grace says to Love God above all else and to LOVE EACH OTHER- those last two surpass the laws of the Old Testament.
I dont want to derail the thread but it should be about love....
I mean...many guys on here into porn and multiple partners etc...those are sins too...and are not smaller or bigger than the homosexual act...and yet those persons find Grace with God.
I see those so inclined and attracted to one another as not being excluded from His Love or forgiveness.
As much as I consider myself saved...I am still attracted to other women..its my flesh...keeping it real.
Of course...you can chose to not be a believer and do what you want when and how and with whomever.. 
black
2015-06-27 21:26:56
In reply to powen001
I mean...many guys on here into porn and multiple partners etc...those are sins too...and are not smaller or bigger than the homosexual act...and yet those persons find Grace with God.
Many Christians conveniently pick on Homosexuals and leave out murderers, rapist etc....
As much as I consider myself saved...I am still attracted to other women..its my flesh...keeping it real.
Lusting of the flesh or lusting for some flesh?
conman
2015-06-27 21:27:24
In reply to powen001
How do u know this?
Runs
2015-06-27 21:35:27
In reply to conman
Faith -
strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
powen001
2015-06-27 21:44:42
In reply to conman
Its in the word- The Bible.
The Holy Spirit is my coach and His word confirms it.
My faith grows based on personal experiences and His word confirms it...the visions I get, the blessings on my life...and His word confirms it.
I can point you to specific scripture...just say.
conman
2015-06-27 22:09:58
In reply to powen001
Old Testament...establishing a system to test obedience.
where does it say this?
black
2015-06-27 22:28:56
powen001
2015-06-27 22:37:53
In reply to conman
really?
Have you ever read the Bible?
I am serious... i mean for yourself...not stories you heard or even from a Pastor..I am talking about you...actively and intentionally picking it up and reading it for yourself.
Ayenmol
2015-06-28 09:28:33
(Isa. 29:16) How you twist things! Should the potter be regarded the same as the clay? Should what is made say about its maker: “He did not make me”? And does what is formed say about its former: “He shows no understanding”?
It's absurd how much credence is given to the church and colonialism because they used religion to oppress. Of course no one speaks to all the right hearted men and women who were martyred by the church because they read the Bible, or tried to print or translate the Bible.
Why would a church be opposed to people actually reading the scriptures on which their faith is based?
conman
2015-06-28 10:12:14
In reply to powen001
Is there a reason to?
Ninetenjack
2015-06-28 10:25:09
Runs
2015-06-28 10:39:06
Link Text
An opinion from a gay person
Commie
2015-06-28 11:17:34
In reply to Ninetenjack
Its one of the ironies of life.
The best places to live are usually the most tolerant and hence even the intolerant want to be there.
powen001
2015-06-28 11:32:00
In reply to conman
Is there a reason to?
Only if you care to understand what I am saying.
Only if you care to understand the sticking points for many persons and Ultimately only if you think that Gods word has any worth or weight in this matter.
conman
2015-06-28 12:27:49
In reply to powen001
Then that logic should follow for other religions too right?
To understand somebody's moral gripe we need to read what their version of morality is saying.
Or we could ignore them because their grips are none of you or anybody else's concern. Its just some moral dilemma they are going though
Ninetenjack
2015-06-28 12:38:08
In reply to Commie
The best places to live are usually the most tolerant and hence even the intolerant want to be there.
Spot on....
Dukes
2015-06-28 13:39:18
In reply to Ayenmol
Why would a church be opposed to people actually reading the scriptures on which their faith is based?
As a matter of giving you information.I worked with several white nurses who are now in their late 60's.They are all Roman Catholic, and they all tell me that they were told not to read the bible as it is complex and only people trained in the understanding of scripture should read the bible as it can be misunderstood.As a result none of them ever read the bible and all they knew was what they were told by their priests.
Interestingly they were all Republicans simply because their husbands were Republicans and thus told them to vote Republican.
JahJah
2015-06-28 13:56:37
In reply to Halliwell
I was about to ask Yammie about the science that used to say that black people are genetically unintelligent...or something so.
What about dem sweet science deh?
bravos
2015-06-28 14:13:31
Perfect opportunity for others here and beyond to come out the closet now,though I am no supporter of your choice of private lifestyle but I hold no animosity toward you or your loved ones.
Continue to be Gay and proud,to each his own.
birdseye
2015-06-28 14:14:05
In reply to Dukes
their husbands were Republicans and thus told them to vote Republican.
Well, didn’t the bible say – wives obey your husbands?’
That’s interesting though – I never before heard of church hierarchs telling their flocks not to read the bible because of its complexities……….that forbidding would make me more curious
Ayenmol
2015-06-30 11:05:56
In reply to Dukes
Am well aware. Notice that the Scriptures foretold this.....
Acts 20:29, 30
29 I know that after my going away oppressive wolves will enter in among you and will not treat the flock with tenderness, 30 and from among you yourselves men will rise and speak twisd things to draw away the disciples after themselves.
2 Peter 2:1-3
2 However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among you. These will quietly bring in destructive sects, and they will even disown the owner who bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves. 2 Furthermore, many will follow their brazen conduct, and because of them the way of the truth will be spoken of abusively. 3 Also, they will greedily exploit you with counterfeit words. But their judgment, decided long ago, is not moving slowly, and their destruction is not sleeping.
The Israelite were instructed to read God's word daily.
We are told to get to know God...
John 17:3
3 This means everlasting life,+ their coming to know you,* the only true God,+ and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
The reason they were taught this was to ensure they remain ignorant of the truth. This is why it baffles me when people say that Religions used the Bible to do this or that. No. They used the laziness of people who did not want to REALLY learn what God said, to keep them blinded while introducing pagan beliefs to scare them into fulfilling their lust for pleasure, power etc.
black
2015-06-30 11:17:16
In reply to Ayenmol
Christianity and the Bible are carefully constructed hoaxes
Ayenmol
2015-06-30 11:27:47
In reply to black
By whom?
conman
2015-06-30 16:07:22
In reply to Ayenmol
Ever wonder why jesus is pictured as white?
black
2015-06-30 16:16:22
In reply to Ayenmol
Ah bunch of white men
Halliwell
2015-06-30 17:56:59
In reply to JahJah
All I got was 'google it'
If you google "goat in washing machine" I am sure you'll see a pic of a goat in a washing machine
I am a scientist
I look for real evidence to back up an earthly claim
As far as I know there is NO gene or QTL coding for homosexuality/heterosexuality/bisexuality. But I am always willing to be shown new evidence.
Ayenmol
2015-07-01 00:20:09
conman
2015-07-01 21:18:31
In reply to Ayenmol
When?
See my question first
Star
2015-07-01 22:07:52
In reply to Admin
No union is more profound than marriage, for it embodies the highest ideals of love,
Bossman, you sure you do not want to think twice about the above statement from the learned Jurist?
Scar
2015-07-01 23:35:18
In reply to conman
You can question also where we learn that blackness is evil. There is no description of Jesus as any color while on earth. Moses wife was an Ethiopian woman and his sister was punished for being bias towards her. The pictures u see are a figment of Roman Catholic/Italian imagination ordained by a pope who once was Emperor. Jesus was as plain indistinguishable man hence the need for some one to point him out a la so called betrayal - he didnt stand out!
I once heard a catholic priest state that all religions came out of the catholic church and not that Catholic religion cane about as a deal between some Christians and Rome so the slaughtering could stop. Religion is not god and God is not religion. Religion is s divisive man made practice.
conman
2015-07-02 12:16:46
In reply to Scar
Religion is not god and God is not religion. Religion is s divisive man made practice.
Cant we say the same thing about our current concept of god? An all powerful presence that for some reason chooses to be very human in its actions. Sounds very man made to me
Runs
2015-07-08 12:36:47
Link Text
This is some messed up stuff
Admin
2015-07-08 12:42:04
In reply to Runs
If we lived in a world without bigots, maybe people would be freer and more comfortable to come out and just live their lives. Instead, because of people like you, we have this shit happening.
Here's a better read on this issue:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/03/magazine/double-lives-on-the-down-low.html?pagewanted=all
Runs
2015-07-08 12:43:35
In reply to Admin
You are an ass and remain a dunce. That is a BBC article by the way dumbo. Why the outburst and personal attack?
Regards.
conman
2015-07-08 18:07:36
In reply to Runs
That is a BBC article by the way
what does that mean?
bravos
2015-07-08 20:56:17
In reply to Runs
The man is clearly a homosexual activist and believe his opinions are some kind of final moral endorsement.
Homosexuality is clearly a condition..it is and no one can dispute that,what a big man doing taking a big cock up his arse? How the fck could that be soooo great or so right? Fck that way of life,it stinks and their rectum must pay an unnatural price..
But hey KY inc. gotta make money..
bravos
2015-07-08 21:08:38
In reply to conman
Correct and I often make that point,this God thing stinks of man ego and thinking clearly as old as the story itself.
How could men in touch with the creator of all this not know that the Earth was not flat,how come they knew not of Lands in the 'new world'?
Israel this and Israel that,don't wanna hear anything about that forsaken place,yeh certain aspects of it could be a great moral guide,but people gotta wake up..
The whole thing was simply the new world order at the time,meant to instil conscience and fear as a means of controlling masses and conquests..simple.
Ayenmol
2015-07-09 00:23:42
In reply to bravos
Not clear exactly what you are trying to say bug if it's that the Bible should have told man scientific facts, well the bible is not a book of Science. The Bible is God's manual to us to help us draw close to him. Get to know him and live a life that is pleasing to him.
However consider these facts;
The Bible describes the earth as suspended “upon nothing.” (Job 26:7) There is no mention of our planet resting on the shoulders of a giant or on the backs of elephants that stand on a turtle, as some popular myths of ancient times had it. Rather, the Bible leaves the door open to scientific discovery. In time, Nicolaus Copernicus and Johannes Kepler described how the planets move around the sun driven by an invisible force. Isaac Newton later showed how gravitation governs the movement of all objects in space.
Also this :
Instructions on disease control and hygiene
The book of Leviticus contains the instructions given to the Israelites on how they were to avoid outbreaks of contagious diseases, including the practice of quarantine. And regarding sanitation, the law recorded at Deuteronomy 23:12, 13 ordered the Israelites to care for their waste in a private place outside their encampments. They had to ‘cover their excrement’ in the ground. It is only in the last 200 years that scientists and doctors have seen the need to set such standards.
The Bible information that you just read was written down many centuries ago. How did those writers come up with such accurate information when even the most learned people of their time were ignorant of such things? The Bible’s Author answers: “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so my ways are higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.”—Isaiah 55:9.
From June, 2015 Watchtower
black
2015-07-09 00:31:13
Ayenmol
2015-07-09 00:36:13
Not noted in the above articles is this other gem written 200 years before Greek philosophers begun reasoning about the shape of our planet...
Isa. 40:22: “There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth.”
Ayenmol
2015-07-09 00:37:55
In reply to black
You know of any other people who freely use God's name?
You made an accusation rooted in ignorance. I have showed from the Bible your folly....and your response is what? Misdirection?
black
2015-07-09 00:50:55
In reply to Ayenmol
Don't come knocking on my door, please!
Ayenmol
2015-07-09 00:58:56
In reply to black
Nice to see you ignore the refute of your nonsensical statement above.
How sad that so many continue to dismiss the Bible because they are not aware of so many accuracies that are in the Bible that cannot be found anywhere else.
No mention yet o c the many prophecies in the Bible that came true which have been proven by Science.
Yet the masses continue to believe the hacks who spread inaccuracies while claiming it is those who believe in Bible truths who are brain washed.
Jaffo
2015-07-09 04:38:08
In reply to googly1961
Very well said. We no longer have common sense. I really wonder how 'great' evolution is lol. I lived in the UK for many years but left with my kids because the country gradually became too 'righteous' and I saw too many situations where the offender was better treated than the victim. Crazy. I will keep my kids in the 'backward' Caribbean..........just my choice 
Have you ever watched 'The Gods Must Be Crazy'? The narrator had a few very wise words to say at the start of the movie. We have become so advanced that life has become ultra complicated when it should become easier.
Jaffo
2015-07-09 04:46:39
Kay
2015-07-09 10:46:29
One word for a man ridin annoda man.... NASTY!!!
Alyuh can debate and support and be self righteous on dis one all alyuh want... 
Tryangle
2015-07-09 12:40:00
Quick question, have any countries in the West Indies repealed the buggery law? I'd imagine it's still a long way from legalizing same-sex marriage, if that law (which, isn't even a anti-gay law as straight people can have anal sex) is still on the books down in the region.
