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HEADLINE: Lloyd lambasts the lack of a ‘Thinking’ West Indies -‘We have constantly been outthought’

 
CaribbeanCricket.com 2015-07-05 05:50:51 

Former West Indies Captain and current Chairman of Selectors Clive Lloyd has taken a swipe at cricketers across the region, noting that the mental side of their game is not up to the standard of their opponents. Speaking during a recent ceremony, Lloyd noted that the current hit and miss status that the West Indies Cricket Team has incurred is based on the fact that there is a lack on the mental side of the game. 


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Halliwell 2015-07-05 07:46:15 

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

Like Clive's last lame excuse had run out of charge

Time for a new diversion

 
dayne 2015-07-05 10:10:49 

Well, not thinking, has been the personality of WI cricket since the beginning of time. They were called the " Calypso cricketers " in the past, however, how could that be turned around, how could Lloyd get Samuels and Ramdin, two senior men on the field, to become better thinkers when they are on the field.

 
cricketest 2015-07-05 10:30:26 

does this "lack of thinking" extend to team selections too?

 
cricketest 2015-07-05 10:30:26 

does this "lack of thinking" extend to team selections too?

 
embsallie 2015-07-05 10:56:09 

In reply to dayne

Don't forget Mr Bravo. He is just as culpable

 
moneybrain 2015-07-05 11:04:00 

In reply to cricketest

YES! lol

 
Real-cricket 2015-07-05 11:47:26 

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

Do we have a thinking board also?

 
Narper 2015-07-05 12:02:20 

How come when our players play for other teams like in the IPL they can think well enough...and be paid well enough?

Big PU-C is now part of the management....now he knocks the players only...only a couple of years ago he was knocking the WICB

 
Kurt 2015-07-05 12:39:02 

I'm watching a WI player with a great cricket brain. He's the skipper of the Tridents but Lloyd wants nothing to do with him.

Lloyd and his paymasters at the WICB go out of their way to find non-thinking cricketers who will blindly (without thinking) accept the company line.

So it's a bit rich to be complaining that our cricketers don't think.

 
Controversy 2015-07-05 13:01:57 

and his selection of players is not up to the standard of opposition selectors...

at least the opposing selectors select the best players unlike lloyd and his corrupt regime

 
Scar 2015-07-05 13:06:23 

In reply to moneybrain

On the playing field!?

 
Scar 2015-07-05 13:12:38 

In reply to Kurt

Like Darren Bravo and Samuels?

You mean Lloyd responsible for making them bonehead shots or not using your feet to spinners?

 
Scar 2015-07-05 13:20:04 

In reply to Kurt

Pollard has spent enough time playing one dimensional cricket to learn from his captains who are way better than him. Isnt he the one who said he was on a sort of sabbatical? You all taking the quickie climaxing of T20 and confusing it with the long staying power of the cricket that "Test" ability to last and fulfill, so they never give you up for another.



big grin big grin

 
dwinston 2015-07-05 13:27:02 

In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com
I have been saying this for a long time. WI cricketers are almost functional illiterates. It is apparent in the way they bat. bowl and field. There ability to think and assess a situation is at best shameful.

redface redface redface

 
methodic 2015-07-05 14:17:56 

In reply to dayne

Well, not thinking, has been the personality of WI cricket since the beginning of time. They were called the " Calypso cricketers " in the past,


This is not true. We were called calypso cricketers for the flare in our game.

 
Controversy 2015-07-05 14:40:45 

the only true calypso cricketers are from TT...

 
Lenks 2015-07-05 15:32:25 

In reply to dwinston

We always bashing our players as duncies. I hate dat shit. They are who they are...

We need to wipe di matta outta our eyes before cussing dem.

Obviously, it's not only dem cricketers...

Then again, anyone can make a mistake...even when born wid opportunities or gold spoon inna mouth.

 
Scar 2015-07-05 15:34:12 

In reply to Controversy

They the only ones who play steel band you see. Thats why dem heads hard like steel! big grin
And Jcans play reggae cricket always high and Windwards play cadance cricket only one way fast.

 
POINT 2015-07-05 16:11:33 

In reply to Real-cricket

NO; WE DO NOT HAVE A THINKING BOARD .

The fact is that many people in the
WICB ; the Regional Boards & Cricket
Fans have forgotten what spawned the Golden Eras of West Indies Cricket .

So here are the pure unadulterated FACTS :

1. Neither the WICB , or the Regional
Boards had a lot to do with our
Players becoming great .

2. In most of the Golden Eras of
West Indies Cricket ; there was
only ONE INTERNATIONAL FORMAT OF

THE GAME TEST MATCHES . BEFORE &

IN BETWEEN THE TEST MATCHES MANY

4 DAYS MATCHES WERE PLAYED .


3. Tours were longer , and on a Tour
to say England , Our Players
played more than half the English
County Teams .

4. This obviously made them very ,
very fit in ALL ASPECTS OF
CRICKET . In essence their Stamina
in all aspects of the game was
great ; so also was their
Concentration ; their ability to
Bat ; Bowl & Field for long
periods .
PLEASE NOTE THE WICB DID NOT HAVE

ONE BLASTED THING TO DO WITH THIS.


5. When not representing the Region
OUR Players were engaged playing
Cricket mainly in England . So
they did not have much down time .
This obviously honed their skills
in all facets of the game . They
were as I have stated often in
this Forum , FULL TIME CRICKETERS.
That is what made our Players &
Team GREAT .

6. The demise of our Players , was
not very noticeable at first , but
started when England decided to
limit the number of Overseas
Players playing Cricket in
England . It took some years
before it became noticeable .

7. When England put the brakes on
Overseas Players , many of our
Players status was changed from
being Full Time Players to being
Part time Cricketers . Obviously
their skills were dulled . This
what started the decline of our
Players .

8. The fact is that Tours became
truncated . This was compounded
also by the introduction of the
two shorter version of the game

 
POINT 2015-07-05 16:26:39 

In reply to Real-cricket

So then the question really is What
did the WICB do when England limited
the number of Overseas Players playing Cricket in England .

The answer is those in the governance of Cricket in the Region
DID NOT DO A BLASTED THING .

This was despite the fact that OUR

PLAYERS & TEAM WERE THE BEST IN THE

WORLD . IN THEIR IGNORANCE , & LACK

OF VISION & FORESIGHT , DID NOT

REALIZE THAT INACTIVITY WAS GOING

AFFECT THE COMPETITIVENESS OF OUR

PLAYERS .


In this Forum I have stated many times that if they were really interested in Cricket , they could have formed a Regional Pro or Semi Pro League , with the support of Financial Sponsors .

Please note the fact that I have always stated SEMI PRO LEAGUE , my critics never mention this fact , they prefer to stress on PRO LEAGUE . When I correct them , they
remain silent .

Financial Sponsors love being associated with WINNERS ; & OUR
PLAYERS & TEAM WERE THE BEST IN THE WORLD . But as I stated , they sat on their Asses , and did not do one blasted thing . So much for freaking Competence .

While it is true that WE are dealing with a different set of People , THE MENTALITY HAS NO CHANGED ONE BIT .
THIS IS WHY THEY ALL NEED TO GO .

 
Star 2015-07-05 16:41:23 

In reply to dwinston

There ability to think

I hate it when people do the above.

You can be forgiven if English is not your first language.

 
Lenks 2015-07-05 16:54:38 

In reply to Star

Easy nuh boss...read mi post above.

 
openning 2015-07-05 17:03:37 

Llyod should shut his mouth

 
tc1 2015-07-05 17:14:36 

In reply to Kurt


is this so, he smarter than Lara ?

 
jahmekyah 2015-07-05 17:47:03 

In reply to dwinston

Hit the nail on the head. they are are bunch of benighted scatterbrain
they have no sense of self and totally oblivious of their history

 
POINT 2015-07-05 19:09:43 

In reply to dwinston

I would readily agree that our Players need to work on their own , however in my opinion , THE ONUS IS

ON THOSE IN THE GOVERNANCE OF CRICKET

IN THE REGION TO MAKE THEM FULLY

COMPETITIVE IN THE INTERNATIONAL

CRICKET ARENA .

I get the impression , that I am the
only person in this Forum who is concerned about the fact that Our Players are playing less Cricket than
Players on Teams ranked above our Team .

Obviously this must be considered as
a factor in the performances of our Players & Team .

Some one recently wrote a Post about Bangladesh being cocky because
Bangladesh is interested in playing matches against South Africa . I do not think that is being cocky , the have whipped Pakistan & India , so they want to measure their Players Skills vs South Africa . I am of the opinion , that that is forward thinking . BTW lowly Bangladesh is currently ranked at # 7.

I believe that Bangladesh Players play more Cricket than our Players , and the fact that its neighbours are
ranked higher than it , is helpful to its competitiveness , because pitting their skills against their neighbours is not a costly proposition ; especially when those 4 Countries are Cricket Mad .

We in the Region aint got any neighbours that are Cricket mad , so that we can measure our Progress or
Regress , ALL THIS IS COMPOUNDED BY

THE FACT THAT THOSE IN THE

GOVERNANCE OF CRICKET CANTALK A LOT

OF FECES , WHILE DOING NOTHING TO

MAKE OUR PLAYERS FULLY COMPETITIVE .


I bluntly refuse to believe that those in the governance of Cricket in the Region , are totally unaware of the fact that our Players are playing less Cricket than their competitors ranked above them .

Yet they are not doing a blasted thing about it . All they keep bleating about is that they have no money ; and the Players are Dumb .

Worse yet many people in this Forum are drinking this freaking Kool Aid . If the Players were empowered to set the schedules ; the duration of matches ; the state of the Pitches , I would be on them like white on Rice , but that aint their job .

All I am doing and will continue to do in this Forum is to lambaste those who are empowered to do what I have stated above .

I am a staunch supporter of Our Team , however if Bangladesh beats our team in the longer versions of the game , I would not be surprised .

 
POINT 2015-07-05 19:19:48 

Let me say this , If Players want legal advice regarding their Contracts that is not an indication that they are Illiterate . Most people , regardless of their status in life , seek advice from persons in the Legal Profession .

It is a far different matter if it is said that they do not read , in this Forum I have always stated that
Our Players must read not only books on Cricket ; but also books by famous
Cricketers . Books impart much more information than looking at YOUTUBE &
DVDS .

 
Ewart 2015-07-05 20:20:35 

In reply to methodic

We were called calypso cricketers for the flare in our game.



Yes! And the flair too! Actually, it was mostly the flair.

big grin big grin big grin

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Ewart 2015-07-05 20:25:45 

In reply to Lenks

Easy nuh boss...read mi post above



lol lol lol

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methodic 2015-07-05 21:31:45 

In reply to Ewart

right