right now Springer is the best cricketer on the team.
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Hetmyer is promising and Joseph exciting but
In reply to methodic
Many of these guys careers could go into orbit or nosedive depending on the support systems they have.
Imlach is very underrated as a keeper bat. Very solid.
Carty has the makings of a very classy bat.
Ryan John is a very solid all rounder who with some pace can develop into a mini Philander as he bowls wicket to wicket. He actually reminds me of Eldine Baptiste a lot.
What Springer shows is maturity.
In reply to Commie
very true, Springer is also adaptable
In reply to methodic
If you look at this team they could essentially be the next senior team.
They have pretty much every weapon except a top class spinner.
In reply to methodic
We have always been competitive in the U-19 circuit....going back way back....
Deonarine was a WI u-19 cappo
Ryan Hinds too
remember Ramdin's batch...they were supposed to take WI back to the top....
only last year it was young Chanderpaul and Pooran...Lil Shiv can't even mek Mudland team...Pooran now returning from injury.
In reply to Commie
you writing everything I wrote last night.
In reply to Narper
this is true
Hetmyer is the best all round batsman on the team , he play's spin & pace well. He just need to stop giving his wicket away.
In reply to kingdom
did he score a hundred as yet? I am not willing to say that as yet.
In reply to methodic
Did you read my last sentence ?
the only player that is ready to go to the next level is Joseph, the others are 'work in progress'.
In reply to tc1
They all are a work in progress, I wouldn't rush any of them
In reply to kingdom
well if he is giving away his wicket he is not the best as yet. I agree he has a lot of potential.
We must also remember...OZ....a power house in U-19 cricket is not at this world cup..
Let's encourage these young players...but don't let us overate them....it is a big big step from U-19 to international cricket
In reply to methodic
What he lacks is maturity , that will come the more he plays
In reply to Narper
actually in football many of the youth world cup stars do not become national senior team players. There are many players that develop later on that do not make youth world cup teams.
For someone who is supposedly intelligent, you really are quite silly. West Indies don't have one player currently in any orbit, but suddenly they potentially have many?
Stupes. Get real. Under-19 cricket, much like College Football and College Basketball will only produce a handful of players that will be successful at the highest level, the others fall by the wayside.
In reply to Devin
yes but sometimes that handful come from one team.
In reply to methodic
Like Ramdin, Rampaul, Fudadin, Simmons, and Xavier Marshall?
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In reply to Devin
right now I thinking about beating India. That is all my youngsters need to worry about right now. Then we will take the t20 world cup. Let we make a bet - 8 million to 1 billion
In reply to Commie
Commie is true? Yuh plagiarizing?
In reply to methodic
They can beat India, but India will produce world class cricketers out of this lot, and the West Indies will not.
In reply to Devin
Who the hell is to say WI will not. Fire on those words you speak, you racist. Run way clown
In reply to Devin
Ramdin,Rampaul and Marshall were all exceptionally talented and all to a massive or lesser degree have under achieved.
In reply to methodic
Best in the entire tournament
I don't see why Devin wants to have an intellectual discussion on u19 WI cricket when he was perpetually poised to rubbish them once they were ejected.
WI has a higher than average conversion of U19 players to intl cricket. It actually despite what is said has a higher success ratio than most. The reason is purely mathematical.
There are 105 FC players vying for 15 places at senior level. As an u19 WI player you stand a good chance of graduation to your senior team than most other countries and then an even better chance at making the Test team.
The issue is the support system when those players hit the big time. Technical coaching and even mental coaching is not as good as most.
In the interim I suggest you go on IndianCricket fans forum and tug on the foreskin of someone of like thinking.
In reply to Commie
You have an odd fixation with man and cock.
I don't rubbish West Indies after, I rubbish them before. I'm not an after-the-fact kind of guy. When West Indies are beaten, repeatedly, I don't really post anything.
Seeing that you are willing to identify and admit that West Indies cricket lacks a proper support system, coaching - both mental and physical, why then would you make a statement about these players potentially sky-rocketing into orbit when it's clearly far-fetched and requires so many chips to fall into place?
In reply to Devin
I want you to consider what percentage of Indian cricketers vs the population of Indian cricketers who play are a success vs the same for WI.
After you wrack your brains to torment maybe you will revisit your comments and realize what a monumental ass you are.
In reply to Commie
Why are you guys dealing with numbers and population now, when it wasn't an issue during your 15-20 year reign?
In reply to Devin
in the end when over 65 percent of a population have not got access to clean water and sanitation basics like a flushing toilet I understand that sport isn't always a priority.
In reply to Commie
LOL. Hahahaha, you can't fu#king respond to what I'm saying.
India has their issues, a plethora of them, most due to a population crisis, as in they have too many fu#king people.
But India is a global powerhouse with a booming economy. The Indians that leave India are successful wherever they go, ALL over the world.
If yuh have 10 Indians living in Barbados, 6-8 of them are Doctors. That's probably where all the racial hate stems from on this board. Wherever Indians go, they make money and are successful.
Back to cricket, without India your cricketers will have not a cent and an idiot like Dwayne Bravo wouldn't even have his stupid little recording contract singing that pile of shit that so easily flows out of his mouth. Pullhard will be doing more than complaining about not having enough money to buy pampers for his baby.
And Chris Gayle might be in Elephan Man or Buju Banton's shoes.
Ouch!
In reply to Devin
See that's the issue.
Last check almost 600 million people or 70 percent of all village populations were defecating in the open in India and had serious hygiene issues.
This isn't a well....but we have lots of doctors and great cricketers issue.
This is about a country which is living a lie and part of that lie is burying its issues in cricket.
There is enough writing out there on the phenomenon.
What the Caribbean has achieved in cricket is phenomenal given our size and resources but what is more amazing is that we have a high human development index and a standard of living which concentrates on making sure people can shit in a toilet as much as they can succeed on the field of sport.
By that dint India is a failure and the Caribbean is a success and nothing illustrates the problem as much as a few years ago when Kingfisher hadn't paid its employees for almost a year whilst it bent over backwards making sure Gayle got paid.
The issue is is that without this false assertion of strength people will stop thinking about the financial strength of the BCCI and literally start to pay attention to the waft of the smell of shit around them whilst foreigners from the Caribbean live large, screw their women and generally have the best of everything.
Sorry you can't have the same Devs.
In reply to Commie
I know man, that's why Jamaica and Trinidad average a murder per day, because life is too sweet in the Caribbean.
That's why 90% of the West Indians on this message board don't reside in the Caribbean.
Indian women aren't like white women, they have no desire to be with Black men. So sad that's where you have to go, but then again that's the only card a black man can play; the "I have a snake in my trousers" card. Poor Gayle and Bravo get rejected so much in India that they have to go beg for a piece in Australia.
In reply to Devin
You don't seem to get it do you or put up a good pretense.
Read the last one again and again.
The Caribbean IPL cricketers are part of a general act for a greater Indian society who literally are shitting in the fields.
Can you imagine if 70 percent of rural Bajans were shitting in the open ?
Do you really think Braithwaite scoring runs would hide that shit or create a diversion
You are on the right bandwagon though.
In reply to Commie
4 of your 6 CPL teams are owned by Indians. Indians are feeding the Caribbean, be grateful, you wretch.
Until you've taken a shit in the open, don't knock it. Few experiences are more liberating.
In reply to CommieCaribbean dots are one cat 5 away from being wiped out..millions would rather live to wipe their ass in the open another day
In reply to Devin
I agree. It's one of the most liberating experiences
In reply to gvenkat
Eat pani puri on the street, take a shit in the same spot. Beautiful.
In reply to Devin
Indian women aren't like white women, they have no desire to be with Black men.
You really need to go Jersey City or Hoboken on a weekend...
In reply to Tagwa1
I don't consider Indo Trinis to be Indians. Indo Trinis have been corrupted.
In reply to Commie
Commie, you and I had many differences in opinions on this board. I am sure going forward that there are more subjects we are going to differ on. However, you have always been balanced and never disrespected me. Devin's remarks never bothered me or get under my skin. I will tell you why; Over the last few years I had the opportunity to engage with over a 100 students and business people coming out of India. Some became close acquaintances with me while they were here. Some became my friends. And there are at least a couple I will go to the end of the world for, if they need me to. The reason I am saying this is because Devin's opinions and remarks do not represent the thinking of the majority of young and/or progressive people coming out of India. I also think this conversation is not truly reflective of you and the way you think and do things. Maybe you have a little hangover from the fetes.
All our countries have their problems. All our societies have its schisms, complexes, stereotypes and accomplishments. At the end of the day I find when decent people interact with other decent people; what we mostly cherish is establishing a common ground where we can learn from each other, advance the world and our lives and create a more stable life and environment for the ones coming behind.
This is easier to accomplish when we refrain from allowing jest to deteriorate into ridicule and humor to descend into humiliation. One single moment can erode many good things, those that are past and those that are yet to come. Ultimately my commitment to spiritual and social advancement supercedes all things, even on this thread and on this board.
Crapping in the open.
What on earth happened to this thread?
In reply to Devin
Devin you made a statement that you will produce world class cricketers out of your U19 bunch.
India won in 2000. Notables are Mohammad Kaif, Yuvraj Singh, Ajay Ratra, Venugopal Rao and Reetinder Sodhi. Who of that lot is world class?
India won again in 2008. Notables are Virat Kohli, Abhinav Mukund, Saurabh Tiwary, Ravindra Jadeja and Manish Pandey. Who of that lot is world class?
So out of 22 U19s in the two years what % have taken that step to world class?
In reply to nick2020
Yuvraj Singh played a vital role in India winning the WC in 2011, not just the WC match, but the tournament.
Ravindra Jadeja has been a fixture in India's team in all three formats and possesses the ability to be an excellent allrounder. He is also one of the best fielders in the world.
Virat Kohli, well, I need not say anything.
You are making Rahul Dravid's point; under-19 players need to strive for more than just success at an under-19 level, because the majority of these players won't make it to the highest level. I made a comparison earlier to college football and college basketball. Few make it, and the success rate of the ones that do make it isn't that great.
India is more likely to produce world class players, seeing that the West Indies haven't produced a world class player in over 20 years. India currently has two batsmen that can walk into any side in this world. One of them can walk into any side in all three formats.
Before Kohli and Rahane, there were names such as Dravid, Sachin, Laxman and perhaps even Kumble. All four played in the same era, and could pretty much walk into any side during their playing days.
Chanderpaul is the last good/great player y'all produced, he made his debut in 1994.
In reply to Devin
Stop. Your statement was World Class not vital role. Stick to your parameters.
You said you will make world class players out of your U19s. After winning the U19 in 2000 how many of your players were World Class?
My answer is zero. Am I correct? Simple question.
Edit: Just so I have your exact quote on record
In reply to Devin
Y'all?
In reply to Devin
man, why is there a racist tinge to what you say nowadays? i used to think you were joking but i have to change my mind in the face of your overwhelming posts and the muscular language employed. sounds like you had a bad experience in Bim
In reply to Devin
Devin ya gone?
Doan run.
In reply to sudden
Nowadays?
You was to busy enabling de man to notice.
In reply to JahJah
JahJah you see dat chestroll celebration from Springs?
Tell de man to stop that. It looks terrible.
To me Joseph is the only first class level player, Holder is close behind.
Kemo Paul looks like the most promising batsman. I rate the batting potential in the order:
Paul > Pope > Hetmyer
Springer looks a potentially good #7 or #8 and his bowling and pace will improve
Imlach looks very elegant, but walking outside offstump and exposing his stumps may not work at a high level. His glove work is very ordinary.
The others, it is hard to really tell, but I love their aggressive attitude.
In reply to methodic
Sport is only a very small portion of the complexity that is life. Caribbean cricket fans do not really appreciate what we have achieved in this sport given our socioeconomic difficulties and our playing population.
Not only do I have lots of Indian friends who RESONATE what I say but many are even more blunt.
India is a gangster capitalist society which makes even our flawed societies look model. Sport, and in the sense of modern India, Cricket takes pole position next to Bollywood as a diversion to what for most is a miserable existence. That existence is what Devin needs to understand rather than trumpeting the very small minority who can literally use a fuggin toilet.
On the contrary Caribbean people put Cricket within a context of having other things to do.
I would be pissed if workers salaries couldn't be paid by a so called billionaire for over a year and yet they were paying a foreigner top coin in that same timescale.
How does that connect with this topic ? Our Caribbean cricketers are actually fortunate in that the likelihood they have of making a living from the sport and the opportunity to play for their country. Statistically wise a larger proportion of Caribbean cricketers get to make a career giving our playing population than a place like India. For that we must give thanks.
This isn't about Devin at all and his confused attempt to attach himself to the ethnicity that he feels comfy with. It's about the reality of the context of cricket and life.
In reply to sudden
I made cricket related posts on this thread, Commie's response was to tell me about tugging on an Indian man's foreskin and the povery situation in India.
I do not reside in India as far as I know and people taking a shit on the road is not my concern.
In reply to nick2020
OK Nick, perhaps I should have rephrased the statement to "India is more likely to produce a world class talent out of their lot, compared to the West Indies."
In reply to Commie
Commie made this statement:
They have pretty much every weapon except a top class spinner.
When has any junior level team matured and evolved to the point where all or most of those players went on to represent the senior team?
In the history of under-19 cricket, has there ever been a single solitary team that had the majority of its players go on to represent the senior team?
In reply to Devin
In reply to sudden
I wouldn't say a bad experience, but when I posted about the incident involving me and the young Bajan girl in the bar, and the level of annoyance and anger it brought to some of the regulars, I was accused of lying, fabricating, exaggerating, attention seeking, race-baiting, or told that black people cannot be racist.
The behaviour in the bar that day was essentially similar to the way black women behave when they see a black man with a white woman.
Now remember, I have no history of lying or telling tales.
In reply to natty_forever
Because West Indies have found it extremely difficult to produce a world class player since Chanderpaul made his debut back in 1994.
It's really not about under 19 cricket, it's about young cricketers in general and how they come through the ranks.
In reply to Devin... there has to be a ranks to come through, and as there is none in the caribbean our players are prone to not go on and fulfil their true potential.
I bet India has an academy or several. Bet they employ sports psychologists to work with these youngsters.
Case: Springer not the best equipped technically, but somehow mentally he is strong, hence he excels.
... I am also willing to bet if Blackwood works with a SP his average will go up by 10% points
He loses concentration a little too easy for my liking.
2002 u19 WC
Here are the players who went on to play for WI
West Indies - Dwayne Bravo, Ravi Rampaul, Darren Sammy, Narsingh Deonarine, Gavin Tonge, Donovan Pagon, Shane Shillingford and Lendl Simmons
For India
Stuart Binny, Parthiv Patel and Irfan Pathan.
That's just ONE example
In reply to Commie... he gonna say none a those world class. So is the debate world class or just simple go on to represent their territory?
In reply to natty_forever
who cares what he says.
The reality is that these players get tangible opportunities to make a career for themselves and COULD go on to become fixtures.
Given cricket is now over three formats you can make an argument that more of the WI players made full careers for themselves than the Indians from that WC.
Aparently world class means your represented the senior team.
Suruj Ragoonath and Adam Sanford are world class.
The numbers/population assertion is rather asinine.
If you have to pick 20 talented people to do a job and you have a million people to choose from, is it harder or easier to find another 20 people from 100 million?
Sure the talent pool is larger, but do you have the resources and manpower to address every one of those 100 million people? Or even most of them?
Are there any cricket clubs in the Caribbean that have dissolved due to finances or a lack of players in the past 20 years? If so, is it a large number, a worrisome number, a small number, an inconsequential number?
Barbados is a tiny island of 260,000 people. Just about every secondary school has a cricket team, as do most primary schools. Every parish has several cricket clubs, most of them have a number of teams playing at different levels.
As I said before, when West Indies dominated for 15-20 years, there was no issue with size and numbers. Ever since the decline, we've heard about basketball and football taking away young sportspersons in the Caribbean.
Yet are any of these schools or club teams struggling to find a playing XI?
Test debut: May 2000
# of tests: 87
Runs: 5842
Highest score: 291
Centuries: 15
1/2 centuries: 31
Average: 40.01
Not bad for a 'mediocre' player who debuted 6 years after Chanders.
In reply to Devin
so that has led you to posting these racial rants that are truly distasteful and i doubt would describe accurately your experience in Bim a majority black island? outside of this your posts are comical and on the face of refreshingly honest, at least that is how i take. that is what i like about you and your posts. even your comparison of the indian batting and the WIndian are funny and sometimes true but when you venture into these racist posts you become intolerable.
by now you should know that v few humans can claim to be intelligent. it is why we are where we are today as humans; divisive, dishonest, tribal and petty. so when you constantly harp about Black people not being intelligent it tinges on naiveté or racial bias. nether fits you well, man.
In reply to mikelegend
Not bad at all, Bangladesh and Zimbabwe would've gladly accepted him. Speaking of Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, let's see if we can put two and two together as it relates to Sarwan and those two players.
In reply to Devin
Toilets, Caste, Cream, Jamaica 1976 and a billion people. If you see any of these about India, You have won the debate.
I find it very interesting that not a word has been said about the youngster
who has been asked to set the table for for our U-19 Victories ; Gidron Pope .
He has done what has been asked of him , yet he apparently cannot even get a mention , I sincerely hope that in the
Finals , he is asked to be more judicious in his batting .
In reply to methodic
Agreed. This thread gone way offline
In reply to Devin... having more players to choose from must count for something. And with more youngsters willing to continue playing cricket, after school, back when we dominated must count as well. During school life kids play multiple disciplines and would specialize later on at the end of their school years or after school, with the popularity of other sports displacing cricket as our favorite sport, the numbers kept dwindling.
However, with the modernization of the sport WI have been left behind in that department, not in the talent department.
In reply to sudden
I never asserted that black people aren't intelligent. There are black doctors, black lawyers, black politicians, and leaders of nations that are black.
My comment regards black athletes and intelligence.
For example, what percentage of black NBA players, black NFL players, and black West Indian cricketers would you deem to be intelligent?
A very large number of black professional athletes in the US can barely read or write.
Case in point, 50 Cent betting money that Floyd Mayweather couldn't read a passage from a book, can't remember which one.
http://youtu.be/FF7PE2YVvX8
I'm quite sure that opposing side wished he was on their team at that time.
In reply to gvenkat
LMFAO
In reply to mikelegend
Should I post clips of world class Vinod Kambli?
Sarwan averaged 34 away from home.
In reply to Devin
In reply to kingdom
There is no support system if they are not rushed. We have to rush players like the Pakistanis do, and sure some of them will.be destroyed.. If we don't, they stay at home and get out of shape, they don't get paid, they don't get coached, and the motivation goes away since they are not rushed into some level of competitive Cricket with pay. Pick ur poison, but I think with our system or lack thereof we have no option but to rush them.
In reply to jballer84... that's the problem, we keep 'rushing' them and it not working, well in my opinion. Time to try something different. and for awhile we did, academy (HPC) and A team tours. This needs to be sustained else we will be for ever be a gig in mud.
In reply to Devin
I appreciate that was as close to you saying you were wrong as you can possibly get. I bet you did not do the proper research on the matter; you just figured that since India is a good side and West Indies are a bad side that they automatically must be converting more U19 to world class than West Indies.
What you failed to consider is it does not take a bunch of talent in one year to make a top senior team. Your talent will vary in age. Some may be late bloomers and not come thru U19.
The little research I did though does show India actually has been quite poor converting successful U19 players into World Class players. WI have not done very well at U19 whereas you have dominated - 3 championships since 2000 and 2nd best win % to AUS - so our lack of success is understandable while yours is not.
In reply to nick2020
Present it here. Just because some one from under 19 goes on to play international cricket means diddly squat.
Apart from Denesh Ramdin,Darren bravo and Ravi Rampaul, WI under-19s transition to internationals have been poor.
India on the other hand have produced Kohli, Kaif, Pujara, Rahane etc.
VS West Indies:
At home: Avg 59.41, 2x 100s, 5x 50s, highest score 179.
Away: Avg 47.69. 1x 100, 5x 50, highest score 117.
One of the greatest to play the game... Interesting 10+ Point disparity in home and away.
Not impressed with anyone except the two opening bowlers . Generally speaking they look like school cricketers. They must be given tremendous credit for reaching this far and beating better organized teams.
In reply to mikelegend
Why you selecting WestIndies as the benchmark? Post his stats in Australia/SouthAfrica etc
In reply to gvenkat
Because Ambrose, Bishop, Walsh and Rose were as good or better than any attack in the world at home or away AT THAT TIME.
The majority of sporting professionals black and white in the US don't have literacy issues. They have financial management issues.
There is no color divide in this problem. People who are groomed to do sport all their life pay least attention to that in the main.
Regards
In reply to mikelegend
Ambrose and Bishop never played a Test in India. If you were to compare, Compare his records Against Aus and SA who were better than WI at that time and their bowlers did not chicken out of Indian tours.
In reply to natty_forever
Surely you jest. Those guys are on sports scholarships and are given a free pass.
There is indisputable proof that many of them can barely read or write, and have a below average command/understanding of the English language.
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In reply to Devin
You confusing formal education with intelligence. I am an avid boxing fan, from early 70s. Floyd Mayweather is easily one of the most intelligent boxers of all times. The way he analyzes other boxers, adjusts to different styles,...the guy is a genius.
As far as black footballers, basketball players,..have you ever listened to them being interviewed, and discussing games and their craft? Have you listened to the numerous black sports commentators analyzing games?
Next thing you gonna tell me is dat becuz Shiv went school at de stand pipe, he not intelligent
In reply to gvenkat
Are you saying that OZ and or SA had a better bowling attack than Ambrose, Bishop, Walsh and Rose at that time??? Highly debatable.
In reply to Baje
I doubt Devin understands this nuanced observation.
In reply to Baje
You confusing formal education with intelligence. I am an avid boxing fan, from early 70s. Floyd Mayweather is easily one of the most intelligent boxers of all times
Sweetly timed cover drive. End of debate.
In reply to mikelegend
Yes. They both had better attacks. How many did ambrose bishop aND Walsh win in the mid and late 90s.
In reply to Devin... that was a wide, sorry not relevant.
And again, what was allowed decades back no longer is the issue, and all athlete now have to have a minimum grade point average to keep one's scholarship.
Just a little tidbit: The most successful person in ALL OF ASIA is a high school dropout.
In reply to mikelegend... can he read or write?
In reply to gvenkat
Do you Really want to go there??
Ambrose: 17 wins, 6 losses and 5 draws
Bishop: 8 wins, 2 losses and 2 draws.
Walsh: 19 wins, 10 losses, 8 draws.
Let's try that for starters.
In reply to natty_forever
I'm not sure... But I do know he didn't have a formal education.
I have argued on this board in the past that contemporary reading and writing is not a global or historical measure of intelligence.
In reply to Baje
Being intelligent wrt your profession is expected, how the hell else would you get the job? It's your knowledge base outside of your comfort zone that is the true measure of intelligence.
And believe me, I don't really equate education to intelligence. Many people have degrees and diplomas plastered all over their walls but are complete buffoons.
I have heard many black athletes interviewed, clearly we aren't hearing the same thing.
In reply to Baje
Kemo Paul looks like the most promising batsman. I rate the batting potential in the order:
Paul > Pope > Hetmyer
Springer looks a potentially good #7 or #8 and his bowling and pace will improve
In every sport there is a player that don't catch the eye in practice. However, when the games are played he demonstrates his importance. He just knows how to play the game. Springer is that guy.
Education is something that is provided by an external force, typically a teacher, tutor, mentor or parent. Education is what helps you to develop your natural intelligence in different ways. Many people have abilities in different areas that are made to shine, when they receive education. Others do not receive the right type of education and their abilities lie latent within them.
In reply to Devin
My view of intelligence is different. To me you are talking about a well rounded educated individual. I equate intelligence with the ability to learn new stuff easily, especially stuff equated to your well being.
In reply to methodic
Well Springer has certainly caught my eye. He has that "I know what I am doing look". He is a clever bowler and has a very uncomplicated batting style. I just wish he would ditch dat Spring roll dance.
In reply to Runs
from my experience, education could also come from an inner force.
In reply to methodic
Please expound on that.
In reply to Runs
I personally was thought a lot from meditation and dreams. I think whatever you truly endeavor to learn. The mind will find a way to teach you.
In reply to sudden
Seeing that nothing has changed in my personal life, and my interactions with people of all races has always been good/strong, you should perhaps ask yourself why my tone has changed. And I will readily admit that the content and tone of my posts have changed.
Is it perhaps due to this MB? Is it due to the fact that some issues are immediately addressed while others are conveniently ignored and overlooked?
Why is it that so many on this board support all the white teams against India? Yet in India the West Indies have always been second favourites? We know how well blacks and whites get along. We know how Australians are viewed as a whole, and in cricket especially.
One gets the sense that somewhere along the course of history, Blacks were mistreated by Indians. When the rapes and murders of Indians in Guyana is brought up, they are conveniently rubbished or ignored by black Guyanese.
I am not here championing the rights of Indians, nor am I looking for support, but I'll summarize what goes on here.
"Indian women have no ass, I like women with ass." Do you like ass because that's the one feature all black women possess? Yet for some reason you're married to a white woman. Is that a case of personal preference or is it due to race? If so, isn't that a touch racist?
Any crime committed against blacks are race related.
If you say anything disparaging about blacks, you're racist.
We'll defend Muslims but poke fun at, or tarnish anything Indian. Why is that? Because Muslims are more likeable? Or is it because there's a large number of Black Muslims out there, but no black Hindus?
Black people are free to support any and everything black, but if someone else supports their race, it's an issue, it's racist.
Every race is racist, but it is impossible for Blacks to be racist
When the issue of rape reached a boiling point in India, it was discussed here on a daily basis. But not to condemn or discuss the reasons why, instead to mock, humiliate and laugh about it. It isn't discussed that in certain parts of Africa, men are told that they can cure AIDS by having sex with virgins. The end result is infants and babies being rushed to the hospital.
It would be interesting to hear an Indo Guyanese and Black Guyanese explain why there has always been so much racial tension between the two. I'm sure there's enough blame to go around, but somehow I don't think it's a 50/50 deal.
My initial posts on this thread were cricket related. A jackass chose to respond by telling me to tug on an Indian man's foreskin. Then some additional ranting about shitting in the open and a lack of toilets.
In reply to Baje
So seeing that the majority, or many black athletes lose their earnings within a few years of leaving their field, what have they learned?
In reply to Devin
I have heard many black athletes interviewed, clearly we aren't hearing the same thing.
So what is the issue?
In reply to natty_forever
Do you feel smarter or more dumb when you hear most athletes or rappers speak? I can contend that most black athletes can't even articulate the nuances of their own profession.
In reply to gvenkat... well before Bishop broke down we were winning repeatedly. Since Bish broke down, so did West Indies cricket.
In reply to natty_forever
interesting, I've never heard that before.
In reply to Devin
The reason why most people root against India is because of their arrogant attitude now they have money.
Also, Surya and now you play a part with your racist innuendos against black people. BTW, I am Indo Guyanese.
In reply to deanjones
Good. So the same way two or three Indians have influenced the entire MB, it may be possible for the entire MB to influence two or three Indians.
Name India's current playing XI, tell me who of that lot is brash or arrogant.
Dhoni has been the face of that team for years and years in all three formats, a more humble player you will not find.
Sachin, Dravid, Laxman, Kumble. Boy, talk about arrogance.
In reply to Devin
Give a rest mate....you are childish beyond belief...the West Indies ruled the world for 15 years with their big, arrogant , thick , uneducated , bullying black men.
Grow up and get over it.
In reply to robbo
I don't have to get over it because it wasn't a part of my childhood. Nothing to get over.
In reply to Devin
Lol...and yet your childish and immature baiting of those on this MB says otherwise...have it your way mate...you are so transparent !
In reply to robbo
It's not baiting if you believe what you're saying.
In reply to Devin
speaking well is no indication of intelligence. you went school in Bim, how many fellas and girls you know spoke bajan but came tops in exams. Devin you are heading down the wrong path. if you have a burr in your ass over certain issues wrt black and indo guyanese or whether India Cricket is supported on this MB or whether Indian women's derrieres are flat or not, these are matters you can address collectively or individually. is this MB representative of how all black people view those issues?
when you come and cuss black athletes for being unintelligent and only winning because of physicality and strength it is an affront to all black people because it is not true and it is racist. it doesnt matter how you try to cloud it, it is mate. i know you are better than that.
In reply to sudden
Why r u indulging this idiot, can we deport him instead of Nick
In reply to tc1
Devin is a good lad. A bit of a crusader but a good guy
In reply to gvenkat
Read gvenky. We have been poor at U19. So what are we converting? Whereas you have been dominant and the 2 years I checked had little to show for it. That second class was an utter failure.
In reply to methodic
That is not education.
That is innate in you and the force that drives you to become educated.
In reply to Runs
this will probably take the conversation to spirituality and sciences that are largely unaccepted in the academic world.
In reply to methodic
Education is not only exclusive to academics
Now if we are going into sciences we will need hypothesis, experiments, conclusion and a regulatory body to certify findings as being authentic and meeting all standards.
In reply to Runs
I will see if I can qualify my arguments. It will take some time. I've already spent all day on this board.
In reply to methodic
Cool, better to be on this board than lots of other places and get into trouble. Am assuming you are a married man
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