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Saint Lucia's Minister for the Public Service weighs in...
Courtesy
2016-04-22 09:00:13
...on what he refers to, as "the inept WICB".
I had this discussion with some of my regional colleagues last week, prior to the Windies double WT20 triumph. My position was that if the inept WICB continued to thumb its nose at all of the review reports that called for dramatic change in the way cricket is run in the Caribbean, the CARICOM Governments should increase the pressure on the WICB, by all means possible.
Of course, I was reminded that Governments should not interfere in professional sports and there are serious penalties if they do. My response was that Governments were heavily invested in the sport of cricket in the Caribbean. Many of the stadia, particularly in the OECS, are owned by the Governments. These governments took large loans, which they are still repaying, to finance the redevelopment of the stadia in their countries to host the 2007 ICC Cricket World Cup.
Every time there is an international game in one of the islands, the Governments are called to, among other things, waive taxes and provide other concessions to allow international broadcasters to operate, merchandise to be brought in free of duties, and earnings not to be subject to taxation. This is different to what happens in other professional sports.
So it is not fair to use rigid criteria to prohibit all government involvement in international cricket, yet call on these same governments every year to provide significant and generous concessions to allow international matches to be played in their countries.
I am not advocating for the Governments to get involved in the selection of teams, the determination of where matches should be held, or any of the administrative issues of the game. That should and must never happen.
But if a game is being so grossly mismanaged by people who appear more intent on protecting their own interests, and who have forgotten that the players and the fans are much more important than the WICB, then the governments have every right to agitate for a change.
Jimmy Fletcher.
Courtesy
2016-04-22 09:07:31
...I am not advocating for the Governments to get involved in the selection of teams, the determination of where matches should be held, or any of the administrative issues of the game. That should and must never happen...
sudden
2016-04-22 09:07:36
In reply to Courtesy
v interesting comments
Courtesy
2016-04-22 09:08:24
In reply to sudden
Interesting and sober...indeed.
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Let's apply more pressure to the pipe, De Courtesy says.
sudden
2016-04-22 09:13:55
In reply to Courtesy
i remember there was talk that Govt does not contribute to the financial well being of WI cricket. this piece seems to put some pay to that criticism
sudden
2016-04-22 09:14:06
In reply to Courtesy
i remember there was talk that Govt does not contribute to the financial well being of WI cricket. this piece seems to put some pay to that criticism
sudden
2016-04-22 09:14:08
In reply to Courtesy
i remember there was talk that Govt does not contribute to the financial well being of WI cricket. this piece seems to put some pay to that criticism
silver
2016-04-22 09:16:07
Courtesy
2016-04-22 09:17:39
In reply to sudden
i remember there was talk that Govt does not contribute to the financial well being of WI cricket. this piece seems to put some pay to that criticism
Some of us are in a position to know that this has not and never been so. Caricom governments contribute significantly by way of wavers and other concessions.
Courtesy
2016-04-22 09:18:21
In reply to silver
More pressure might burst that pipe
It's a desired outcome.
ponderiver
2016-04-22 09:25:06
Stand Firm Chairman Dave
regions without history who know nothing more than to clap and talk shoite should not be involved in the dissolution of the WICB OR INTERFERE WITH THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS just so they can put their friends in charge of the till
Courtesy
2016-04-22 09:27:36
In reply to ponderiver
...just so they can put their friends in charge of the till
I guess you are perfectly happy with
your friends "being in charge of the till" now and you would move hell to maintain your status quo.
And that is the only perspective you can see within the ambit of your nose?
See dat een.
ponderiver
2016-04-22 09:28:49
They should never have invested the people's money in stadiums for the world cup
it was a short sighted and flawed business model.
Cricket is not a revenue stream for the treasury or the government in power
Courtesy
2016-04-22 09:31:41
In reply to ponderiver
They should never have invested the people's money in stadiums for the world cup
it was a short sighted and flawed business model.
Cricket is not a revenue stream for the treasury or the government in power
...but a professional organisation like the WICB must be allowed to raid the already limited peoples' treasury with
zero levels of accountability to regional governments.
ponderiver
2016-04-22 09:38:25
In reply to Courtesy
the vehicle of cricket brings money into the Island by way of test matches etc
In addition it allows the Islands/countries to showcase their assets and appeal to a wider white tourist base .
That it is being hijacked and seen as the sole business model and revenue stream is a reflection of the gross incompetence of our elected leaders who drown in qualifications of uselessology
St Lucia has contributed very little to the history of cricket but keep making the most noise on the ills of our cricket and dont even get me started on Keet and Grenada
FuzzyWuzzy
2016-04-22 09:40:40
In reply to Courtesy
Do govt give concessions for nothing, the goodness of heart?
Or is it in exchange for anticipated stepped up economic activity?
On an English tour for 2 weeks hotels are full and overflowing, taxi men smiling and Banks beer and rum sold out in Bim.
sudden
2016-04-22 09:42:14
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
is there a point in there somewhere?
FuzzyWuzzy
2016-04-22 09:43:14
In reply to sudden
Did i call you?
sudden
2016-04-22 09:45:27
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
did courtesy call you?
FuzzyWuzzy
2016-04-22 09:46:29
In reply to sudden
If he objects he'll say
Courtesy
2016-04-22 09:47:06
In reply to ponderiver
the vehicle of cricket brings money into the Island by way of test matches etc
Contrast this with your earlier assertion below:
Cricket is not a revenue stream for the treasury or the government in power
Make up you mind fool.
In addition it allows the Islands countries to showcase their assets and appeal to a wider white tourist base .
The ring fence around your nose your blinds you to white colour only. No need for further comment on your tripe.
That it is being hijacked and seen as the sole business model and revenue stream is a reflection of the gross incompetence of our elected leaders who drown in qualifications of uselessology
Baseless and goes against the grain of your earlier comment. Only a fool would contradict himself so regularly in such a short time frame.
St Lucia has contributed very little to the history of cricket but keep making the most noise on the ills of our cricket and dont even get me started on Keet and Grenada
Such foolishness even from you.
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Please, please don't bother to post more shit on my thread.
Courtesy
2016-04-22 09:48:50
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
If this cricket thing filled your treasury ask your government why they let go of the CPL finals?
Stop generalizing.
Was it cost beneficial to host it?
Kay
2016-04-22 09:49:22
Every time there is an international game in one of the islands, the Governments are called to, among other things, waive taxes and provide other concessions to allow international broadcasters to operate, merchandise to be brought in free of duties, and earnings not to be subject to taxation.
All of this can be filed under 'public goods'. They benefit the citizens just like street lights but are provided by government via their tax dollars.
sudden
2016-04-22 09:50:41
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
lets move then. no govt gives concessions for nothing. concessions are often given to encourage something, usually to get some sector to employ people, keep people employed or to stimulate some type of economic activity. so what was your point again
FuzzyWuzzy
2016-04-22 09:50:56
In reply to Courtesy
Sudden is closer he may have the answer
Courtesy
2016-04-22 09:52:53
FuzzyWuzzy
2016-04-22 09:53:10
In reply to sudden
no govt gives concessions for nothing. concessions are often given to encourage something, usually to get some sector to employ people, keep people employed or to stimulate some type of economic activity.
sudden
2016-04-22 09:54:03
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
we both know this so hence, what is your point?
FuzzyWuzzy
2016-04-22 09:54:11
In reply to Courtesy
I referred to a specific circumstance
Courtesy
2016-04-22 09:56:45
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
Most concessions are given by governments to stimulate economic activity.
The government will determine each activity's economic viability and will grant at their discretion...it is not a given that you apply and you get.
sudden
2016-04-22 10:01:24
In reply to Courtesy
the overarching point Fletcher seems to be making is that govts have no intention of getting involved in the running of cricket at the micro level if at any level at all
Courtesy
2016-04-22 10:02:26
In reply to sudden
the overarching point Flecteher seems to be making is that govts have no intention of getting involved in the running of cricket at the micro level if at any level at all
Thank you sir most kindly for this observation.
And this was made pellucidly clear by the Senior Cabinet Minister.
This should help clear up some misconceptions put forward from certain quarters here and blunt this side of the argument.
FuzzyWuzzy
2016-04-22 10:04:35
In reply to sudden
Btw what's Freundel/Barbados view on the caricom proposal? Owen said his piece.
Courtesy
2016-04-22 10:05:52
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
Btw what's Freundel/Barbados view on the caricom proposal? Owen said his piece.
Freudel was the first Caricom leader to speak on the matter immediatley after the Caricom meeting in Belize.
Keep abreast of developments around you Fuzzy.
sudden
2016-04-22 10:05:55
In reply to Courtesy
no it wont. as Commie points out with the oft quoted reference to the appointment of governor of the OECS
natty_forever
2016-04-22 10:07:17
In reply to sudden...
i remember there was talk that Govt does not contribute to the financial well being of WI cricket. this piece seems to put some pay to that criticism
... guess no one has really been listening to POINT.
sudden
2016-04-22 10:07:59
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
that is rhetorical, isnt it? cos you know what Freundel said
FuzzyWuzzy
2016-04-22 10:08:16
In reply to Courtesy
What did he say?
Courtesy
2016-04-22 10:09:43
In reply to sudden
no it wont. as Commie points out so often with oft quoted reference to the appoint of governor of the OECS
Commie should never take these things at face value. There are lots of horse trading when matters like these come up for discussion...There is more than meets the eye...Saint Lucia got something in return.
Coming June this year.
Nuff said. Coming June this year.
sudden
2016-04-22 10:09:44
In reply to natty_forever
who?
Courtesy
2016-04-22 10:10:11
sudden
2016-04-22 10:12:13
In reply to Courtesy
man, Fuzzy knows what Freundel said. he trying a thing
Courtesy
2016-04-22 10:14:10
In reply to sudden
man, Fuzzy knows what Freundel said. he trying a thing
Dat is not placing Fuzzy in good light at all...as you or is it
Walco who said "
Fuzzy needs to be rehabilitated ASAP".
FuzzyWuzzy
2016-04-22 10:17:05
In reply to Courtesy
Thank you
sudden
2016-04-22 10:18:34
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
Stuart assured that CARICOM was not attempting to take over West Indies cricket or to try to run West Indies cricket but said the WICBs standards of corporate governance at the moment are undesirable, and that they have been doing much to undermine the integrity of West Indies cricket, and certainly, are compromising the standards to which we in the Caribbean have grown accustomed.
i could not have said it better myself
Courtesy
2016-04-22 10:20:13
Commie
2016-04-22 10:31:09
Story of sport.
Find out how many NBA stadiums are funded by public funds.
Yet the profits are not only privatized they are sent offshore. Micky Ariston of the Heat is a classic example.
It shouldn't happen but it is the norm in professional sports.
natty_forever
2016-04-22 10:31:44
In reply to sudden... them, who just now realizing that governments do contribute.
sudden
2016-04-22 10:49:52
In reply to Commie
true Commie but given how cricket developed it the Caribbean it is a rather different animal. cricket was never privately owned until the commercialisation of T20, so cricket always has some govt input if not encouragement and is seen in the Caribbean as more than a commercial venture
JOJO
2016-04-22 11:05:52
In reply to sudden
remember there was talk that Govt does not contribute to the financial well being of WI cricket. this piece seems to put some pay to that criticism
How are the governments financial contributions to cricket through tax waivers, building stadia, etc. different from the contributions made to the tourism industry? Sandals gets massive tax holidays and duty free concessions on imports. Cable and wireless had a monopoly and did not pay taxes...not even on the cars given to its employees.
Governments spend millions ports for cruise ships. Why? Because that is what governments do.
POINT
2016-04-22 11:05:57
As I stated in this very Forum , prior
to the 2007 World Cup that was held in the Region ; the Onus was on the Regional Governments at that juncture ,
to have the WICBC sign a Legally binding Document stating in clear unambiguous terms ; that in Return for
the Governments assistance in helping the WICBC hosting the the ICC Tournament in the Region . The WICBC
would undergo Structural Changes .
Because I emphatically stated that the Regional Governments had the WICBC over a Barrel . Unfortunately
my advise was ignored .
Had my advice been taken , All that
is happening now would have been avoided . The Regional Governments
spent approximately 500 million dollars to facilitating the WICBC
successfully hosting the 2007 Cricket
World Cup .
The Regional Governments , built new
Stadia ; refurbished existing Stadia ,and spruced up the Grounds . The
Tournament was a Smashing Success ,
the Truth is that in 2007 the People in WICBC were the Real Pirates of the
Caribbean .
JOJO
2016-04-22 11:08:42
In reply to Courtesy
I am not advocating for the Governments to get involved in the selection of teams, the determination of where matches should be held, or any of the administrative issues of the game.
Sometimes I wonder where these people live. This is not cluelessness. This is rank dishonesty.
FuzzyWuzzy
2016-04-22 11:12:07
In reply to JOJO
How are the governments financial contributions to cricket through tax waivers, building stadia, etc. different from the contributions made to the tourism industry? Sandals gets massive tax holidays and duty free concessions on imports. Cable and wireless had a monopoly and did not pay taxes...not even on the cars given to its employees.
Governments spend millions ports for cruise ships. Why? Because that is what governments do.
Maybe now that you have said it sudden will see the point
carl0002
2016-04-22 11:12:35
In reply to Courtesy & sudden
the overarching point Flecteher seems to be making is that govts have no intention of getting involved in the running of cricket at the micro level if at any level at all
Yeah what government say and what they do is 2 different things
Furthermore there is a role for government to play in local cricket development or what you would classify as amateur cricket and this lack of involvement by government is why we are where we are today. The cradle to grave funding of cricket across the region can not be the sole responsibility of WICB. If cricket is so important to the fabric of WI society and is a national good as some leaders claim, the governments better start putting their money where their mouth is.
Blaming the WICB for the ills of the region is always easier and preserves their non involvement. Easier to mash-up the WICB than to actually engage local cricket administration.
Drapsey
2016-04-22 11:12:57
In reply to Courtesy
Saint Lucia's Minister for the Public Service weighs in...
...on what he refers to, as "the inept WICB".
What a difference a day makes (or a couple of years).
Are these really the same guys who would jump and wave at every bit of news coming out of the Hunte/Hilaire WICB?
sudden
2016-04-22 11:14:01
In reply to JOJO
Yes. So?
JOJO
2016-04-22 11:15:17
In reply to carl0002
Yeah what government say and what they do is 2 different things
It's just so unbelievable that these guys will ignore ALL the evidence around them and take the WORDS of politicians at face value.
FuzzyWuzzy
2016-04-22 11:15:28
sudden
2016-04-22 11:16:56
In reply to carl0002
who built the school and fields where cricket and other sports are played? to say that government plays no role financial or otherwise in cricket or its development neglects this and is quite frankly disingenuous or ignorance.
FuzzyWuzzy
2016-04-22 11:18:14
In reply to JOJO
It's just so unbelievable that these guys will ignore ALL the evidence around them and take the WORDS of politicians at face value
Could it be that they themselves are politicians?
Drapsey
2016-04-22 11:19:42
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
Maybe I'm guilty of not reading past the headline, but how could the dotties (in general) make such a 180 degree shift in their support of the WICB?
sudden
2016-04-22 11:22:41
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
the reach of government is so pervasive that it can touch any sphere of life especially in the Caribbean. i believe that govts dont intend to interfere beyond getting rid of WICB establishing an interim committee and then handing off governance to the recommended body. my belief is based upon the fact that cricket is much more than a commercial venture in the Caribbean and no one wants to be associated with its direct demise especially Govts.
FuzzyWuzzy
2016-04-22 11:25:29
In reply to sudden
Who selects the interim committee?
JOJO
2016-04-22 11:28:38
In reply to sudden
i believe that govts dont intend to interfere beyond getting rid of WICB
Man look...you could peddle that BS to Point or Pondie or one of these clueless posters but I don't think that even you believe that nonsense.
carl0002
2016-04-22 11:31:05
In reply to sudden
Really sudden, that in itself is a disingenuous statement and you know it.
the reach of government is so pervasive that it can touch any sphere of life especially in the Caribbean.
Seriously, u married recently? cuz I think u becoming unhinged.
sudden
2016-04-22 11:43:42
In reply to carl0002
what happened to the rest of my submission?
natty_forever
2016-04-22 11:43:44
In reply to JOJO... that's the jist of the argument. Governments do, yet some saying they don't.
sudden
2016-04-22 11:44:38
In reply to JOJO
dont half quote me, mate.
Courtesy
2016-04-22 11:45:03
If allyuh want to believe that governments will micro manage West Indies cricket...so be it. You may choose not to believe or express cynicism on the intention of Caricom or for that matter, whatever you wish to do or say. I respect that.
However, respect others who have a contrary opinion.
This is not a scientific paper. They are opinions.
We elect governments to intervene when things are not going right or appear not to be going right in the interest of the majority.
The politicians face the polls and can be booted out of office if what they do is not in consonance with the wishes of the masses.
Caricom governments are elected to take decisions and not to exhibit inaction.
FuzzyWuzzy
2016-04-22 11:46:47
In reply to Courtesy
The mere selection of the interim committee would be interesting
sudden
2016-04-22 11:47:54
In reply to natty_forever
too many promises have been made to too many different constituents for the various Govts to break. in addition not all govts agree so they will be looking to castigate and blame. govts know they must get it right or all the failures past will be laid at their feet. moreover there is the ICC
Courtesy
2016-04-22 11:50:53
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
The mere selection of the interim committee would be interesting
This is not new to governments.
natty_forever
2016-04-22 11:51:55
In reply to sudden... this thread has two issue debating IMHO. One, are governments involved.
two, will they hand over power or try to run WI cricket.
The first one I think by now all should agree.
The second will be left up to opinions/speculations, until the act actually happens.
FuzzyWuzzy
2016-04-22 11:52:06
In reply to Courtesy
Yup. Guyana did it not long ago
JOJO
2016-04-22 11:52:57
In reply to Courtesy
Allyuh want to believe that governments will micro manage West Indies cricket
Now you being disingenuous.
The issue isn't micromanaging, the issue is interfering and politicizing.
JOJO
2016-04-22 11:54:24
In reply to Courtesy
Caricom governments are elected to take decisions and not to exhibit inaction.
Unbelievable. UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE.
carl0002
2016-04-22 11:56:05
In reply to sudden
interim committee and then handing off governance to the recommended body. my belief is based upon the fact that cricket is much more than a commercial venture in the Caribbean and no one wants to be associated with its direct demise especially Govts.
You mean that part.
The problem with that is the Caribbean population is small. If the whole premise is that the people currently running cricket are incompetent, stupid fools do you honestly think you are going to find a set of people to put on a committee to run cricket that is not somehow involved with cricket right now. Do you think someone that is not connected to cricket will do a better job than who is there. Whats the sense replacing people with the same people.
The fact that WICB has had about 10 presidents all distinguished people prior to becoming presidents and they have ended up in no less a situation than DD should give you a hint.
Courtesy
2016-04-22 11:56:59
In reply to JOJO
...the issue is interfering and politicizing.
Which commandment says
governments should not intervene and politic within the confines of the law?
And even when they go outside the boundaries of the law there is recourse to the courts.
Didn't the WICB interfere with the pay of the international cricketers to address what they see as a matter which is in the interest of the majority?
sudden
2016-04-22 11:57:25
In reply to JOJO
On the face of it that statement is true. what actually happens is a different story
FuzzyWuzzy
2016-04-22 11:58:04
In reply to carl0002
Ask POINT. The legends will run the interim committee
FuzzyWuzzy
2016-04-22 11:59:08
Nuff back-pedalling going on here
natty_forever
2016-04-22 11:59:27
In reply to carl0002... prez changes but the ones electing him has not ... maybe therein lies the problem.
sudden
2016-04-22 11:59:32
In reply to carl0002
that is not the issue as i understand it. the issue is more about the structure of the WICB which does not lend itself to speedy composite decision making and proper and impartial governance
carl0002
2016-04-22 12:00:45
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
The problem is that the legends are now Dinosaurs
sudden
2016-04-22 12:00:49
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
if the true is backpeddling so be it
powen001
2016-04-22 12:02:48
In reply to sudden
you and Fuzzy need to attend one of those pointless headless cabinet meetings of the ruling party.
Ask them what the "thinking or fear " was that has resulted in the non chalant approach to supporting and securing things cricket for BIM?
Is it Conde's red card bearing self alone?
You will find that Fuzzy will fit right in while the men will question your loyalty since Tommpys untimely passing.
you sounding too logical and transparent here...thats not on the MEMO.
get with the program and toe the line son.
FuzzyWuzzy
2016-04-22 12:02:49
One JOJO came here and all of a sudden men backing back
Courtesy
2016-04-22 12:03:41
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
Ask POINT. The legends will run the interim committee
You've now become a professional seerman. Man cut this shit off.
JOJO
2016-04-22 12:05:43
In reply to Courtesy
Didn't the WICB interfere with the pay of the international cricketers to address what they see as a matter which is in the interest of the majority?
So wait...you equating political interference with----the actions of the WICB in amending the payments that the WICB makes to the persons contracted by the WICB? Payments made from the WICB funds?
So now I'm convinced that you just trolling. So I gone.
Courtesy
2016-04-22 12:06:31
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
JOJO only blowing hot air with "governments will interfere..."
Wha wrong wid dat? We expect governments to intervene on our behalf and if they don't get the hell out of governance.
sudden
2016-04-22 12:06:38
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
who back peddling. man you got Powen agreeing with me
Courtesy
2016-04-22 12:07:36
In reply to JOJO
So wait...you equating political interference with----the actions of the WICB in amending the payments that the WICB makes to the persons contracted by the WICB? Payments made from the WICB funds?
If you believe this was not a political decision...
Brother go learn what
politics is all about.
Why you think the WICB allowed the players to travel to India for the test series without contracts in hand?...you are naive.
Sorry.
carl0002
2016-04-22 12:08:24
In reply to natty_forever
Absolutely agree. But those directors electing the president are local representatives. It stands to reason that if Caricom wants to ensure that good decisions are being made at the WICB that it ensures that they have good local representation.
But having influence over local representation comes at a price that these governments are not willing to pay.
To me blowing up the WICB is an easy solution to some of these Caricom members as that solution maintains their non involvement at the local level.
sudden
2016-04-22 12:11:50
In reply to carl0002
the problem is a structural one that can only be resolved by a do over. in this case a renovation will not work
natty_forever
2016-04-22 12:13:29
In reply to carl0002... well I feel something needs to happen. Change is required as this now not working. And the one constant has been the members with a vote.
natty_forever
2016-04-22 12:14:25
Courtesy, have a copy of WICB "constitution", if there exists one.
FuzzyWuzzy
2016-04-22 12:16:10
In reply to sudden
who back peddling. man you got Powen agrteeing with me big grin
Maybe wunnuh deserve each other
Courtesy
2016-04-22 12:16:18
In reply to natty_forever
Not sure. I will check my files and post.
FuzzyWuzzy
2016-04-22 12:17:38
FuzzyWuzzy
2016-04-22 12:19:15
natty_forever
2016-04-22 12:22:09
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy... and I think that's the major problem.
Cuter
2016-04-22 12:22:17
In reply to Courtesy
maaan JOJO roughing you up dere and you dont seem to have di answer
Courtesy
2016-04-22 12:24:22
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
Not so easy to change the local board either....ask Conde he ran for president about 4 times
The oxygen therapy seems to be working.
Courtesy
2016-04-22 12:25:54
In reply to Cuter
maaan JOJO roughing you up dere and you dont seem to have di answer
"No man born of woman" can rough me up.
And you mean JOJO is clueless.
JOJO has said nothing substantial and concrete on this thread which warrants a response from me.
FuzzyWuzzy
2016-04-22 12:26:29
In reply to Courtesy
I have said it from the beginning...that's nothing new.
Can you tell me how the interim board will be structured?
FuzzyWuzzy
2016-04-22 12:26:59
In reply to Cuter
you see it too? wuhloss!
powen001
2016-04-22 12:27:40
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
Not so easy to change the local board either....ask Conde he ran for president about 4 times
and he in charge without the title too
Courtesy
2016-04-22 12:28:03
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
Can you tell me how the interim board will be structured?
Read the Dr. Eudine Barriteau report for the concepts and "
the path towards the transformation of West Indies Cricket".
Cuter
2016-04-22 12:28:36
In reply to Courtesy
you are my boy but JOJO has a point
FuzzyWuzzy
2016-04-22 12:28:52
FuzzyWuzzy
2016-04-22 12:29:47
In reply to Courtesy
I don't want the concepts. Will WICB or the Govts or Barriteau pick the interim committee?
Courtesy
2016-04-22 12:31:18
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
Do you expect the PM of the country where the WICB headquarters are housed will say anything differently.
And he may have sought permission from the senior members of Caricom to make this statement public.
Allyuh don't understand diplomacy and politics.
Courtesy
2016-04-22 12:32:17
FuzzyWuzzy
2016-04-22 12:32:33
In reply to Courtesy
We do and all of this is what makes us take pause!
And he may have sought permission from the senior memberss of Caricom to make this statement public.
Allyuh don't understand diplomacy and politics.
sudden
2016-04-22 12:34:29
In reply to Cuter
what point do you think JoJo has? i have not seen it yet
FuzzyWuzzy
2016-04-22 12:34:51
carl0002
2016-04-22 12:35:05
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
But that's where they need to start. Governments cant even influence the likkle weak local boards and they want to bust up the WICB. Does that make sense.
Thats why I say that the price to have influence over local representation they are not willing to pay hence dem trying a thing by attempting to bus up the board
Courtesy
2016-04-22 12:35:07
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
And this is why there are democratic elections in the Caribbean.
When we perceive that governments no longer protect or work in the interest of the majority we vote them out.
FuzzyWuzzy
2016-04-22 12:37:02
In reply to Courtesy
will a change to UWP in St Lucia or BLP in Barbados undo a messed up newly reconstructed WICB ?
Courtesy
2016-04-22 12:37:39
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
No need to cuss and get personal now that JOJO buss you and sudden ass
JOJO buss his own arse with his idiocy about politics, interference and interventions and has been vanquished.
sudden
2016-04-22 12:38:59
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
hahaha. i thought it was you who bussed our ass
sudden
2016-04-22 12:39:02
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
hahaha. i thought it was you who bussed our ass
FuzzyWuzzy
2016-04-22 12:39:34
Courtesy
2016-04-22 12:40:11
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
will a change to UWP in St Lucia or BLP in Barbados undo a messed up newly reconstructed WICB ?
Jamaican journalist on M
ason and Guesses: "I am a debater not a seerman".
FuzzyWuzzy
2016-04-22 12:40:14
Courtesy
2016-04-22 12:41:49
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
This thread was too much fun...I got a headache from laughing at how it backfired.....and Commie aint even come yet
I dare you articulate the point you think that JOJO was attempting to make...come on.
Ah waiting.
FuzzyWuzzy
2016-04-22 12:43:53
In reply to Courtesy
Why ask me? ask JOJO....if yuh doan kno
Courtesy
2016-04-22 12:44:36
ponderiver
2016-04-22 12:53:19
In reply to Courtesy
Please, please don't bother to post more shit on my thread
the shit you keep posting has reached critical mass stop posting on your own thread yuh damn jackass.
No history peeps like you should keep away from our cricket . Hunte got in as an administrator and it coincided with the imposition of the clap and shoite fraud which is affecting us to this day.
Government can't have their cake and eat it Cricket brings people to their respective countries ... hence the concessions which incidentally is no different to the concessions given to a certain major hotel chain in the Region.
these dunce politicians yes that includes you can't think outside the box no wonder their economies are in tatters and they are reduced to flogging passports as the cornerstone of their economic policies.
here is a tip for you get Caricom to buy out the Trident franchise and lets see how they get on .... then we can talk about those greedy jackasses running the cricket
Courtesy
2016-04-22 12:54:19
In reply to ponderiver
Hehehehehehe!!
I wouldn't bother to read your usual jackass droppings and waste my time.
Have a great day.
Sorry for being so dismissive.
sudden
2016-04-22 12:58:59
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
listen, Powen seems to think we did a reasonable job and if Powen says so it must be so
y
ou and Fuzzy need to attend one of those pointless headless cabinet meetings of the ruling party.
Ask them what the "thinking or fear " was that has resulted in the non chalant approach to supporting and securing things cricket for BIM?
Is it Conde's red card bearing self alone?
You will find that Fuzzy will fit right in while the men will question your loyalty since Tommpys untimely passing.
you sounding too logical and transparent here...thats not on the MEMO.
get with the program and toe the line son.
sudden
2016-04-22 12:59:05
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
listen, Powen seems to think we did a reasonable job and if Powen says so it must be so
you and Fuzzy need to attend one of those pointless headless cabinet meetings of the ruling party.
Ask them what the "thinking or fear " was that has resulted in the non chalant approach to supporting and securing things cricket for BIM?
Is it Conde's red card bearing self alone?
You will find that Fuzzy will fit right in while the men will question your loyalty since Tommpys untimely passing.
you sounding too logical and transparent here...thats not on the MEMO.
get with the program and toe the line son.
natty_forever
2016-04-22 13:05:34
In reply to ponderiver
Government can't have their cake and eat it Cricket brings people to their respective countries ... hence the concessions which incidentally is no different to the concessions given to a certain major hotel chain in the Region.
... however, with the dwindling "Cricket brings people to their respective countries" ... unlike hotels ... wouldn't you see the need for a different approach?
sudden
2016-04-22 13:11:08
In reply to natty_forever
when it appears that me and courtesy, and you on the same side, i have to examine the issues again
natty_forever
2016-04-22 13:11:38
Kay
2016-04-22 13:24:38
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
No need to cuss and get personal now that JOJO buss you and sudden ass
Nice beatdung...
camos
2016-04-22 13:30:47
In reply to Courtesy
And he may have sought permission from the senior members of Caricom to make this statement public.
how can a body of equal partners have senior members?
Chrissy
2016-04-22 13:50:52
In reply to Courtesy
Excellent
Courtesy
2016-04-22 13:51:57
In reply to Chrissy
Excellent
Thanks my darling.
FuzzyWuzzy
2016-04-22 13:57:00
Courtesy
2016-04-22 14:00:21
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
A sign of the times!?
Professionals always know when to applaud and when to criticize and when to agree to disagree.
We live by this fundamental tenet.
carl0002
2016-04-22 14:32:36
sudden
2016-04-22 14:38:28
In reply to carl0002
we are on different sides of this issue but we are still mates. Fuzzy is right. who would think that i would have Powen as an ally. indeed , sign of the times
Commie
2016-04-22 15:46:58
In reply to JOJO
I understanding the joking around but it gets too much
In the end it's all about personalities.
Note how quiet Portia was once Cameron became WICB President.
But the gist is that having dealt with nearly all of them I have zero doubt they will meddle and interfere.
Look at how they have fucked up air travel and education in this region.
powen001
2016-04-22 16:12:53
In reply to sudden
quote Courtesy above re professionalism bout when to gree and disagree.
this thing got legs...
and if your kerchief was clean all along you need not worry when you have to wipe your face with it.
pick sense.
sudden
2016-04-22 16:13:52
In reply to powen001
If you have something to tell Fuzzy tell him nuh
powen001
2016-04-22 16:16:51
In reply to sudden
lol
I stumbled on a salient truth earlier and had to apologize to the "professional"
all I have is my rep...so I tell you I done.
in time ..all will come out in the wash...be it...a kerchief that needed laundering or any other items for that matter.
sudden
2016-04-22 16:18:19
In reply to Commie
How can it not be about personalities? Personality determines all most everything. My attitude affects your behavior which shapes my response-Betari's box so to speak.
Commie
2016-04-22 16:37:39
In reply to sudden
Because personality politics discards very good people because they don't conform to a relationship matrix.
It happens in the Caribbean all the time and that is usually driven by Politics.
billydred
2016-04-22 16:40:54
In reply to Commie
Unuh leave SistaP outa unuh crap. Was any Jamaicans in the latest Carigone review board?
Courtesy
2016-04-22 16:57:27
In reply to billydred
Unuh leave SistaP outa unuh crap. Was any Jamaicans in the latest Carigone review board?
sad sad
A who be Dr. Warren Smith?
billydred
2016-04-22 17:09:21
In reply to Courtesy
Carigone citizen along wid JCA head who wanted Garner as president of WICB.
Commie
2016-04-22 17:15:05
In reply to billydred
Sista P was a dotish dinosaur who I will remind you set the scene for interference by Govt.
Courtesy
2016-04-22 17:24:18
In reply to billydred
Carigone citizen along wid JCA head who wanted Garner as president of WICB.
So is Dr. Warren Smith not a Jamaican? Did I get this right?
billydred
2016-04-22 17:26:36
Commie
2016-04-22 17:34:14
In reply to billydred
I'm not sure if its your limited attention span, the inability to read and comprehend or just the habitual flag waving but I can tell that you are a Portian.
And now a word from our sponsor
billydred
2016-04-22 18:23:35
POINT
2016-04-22 19:24:29
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
I have never stated that the Legends would govern the Interim Committee .
As usual you & those of your ilk are
hell bent on Muddying the waters .
What I have stated in this Forum , is that Former Great Players must in in charge of the Cricket Department . I came to that conclusion , due to their Stewardship of the Regional version of the shortest form of the game .
Proof of this fact is that the Players they were in charge of , won the 2012 Cricket World Cup in the shortest version of the game .
Their performances , encouraged Owners in the IPL to hire many of them . THEY also won the just concluded 2016 Cricket World Cup .
The strangest thing is that the WICBC
to this very day have yet to acknowledge the work done by these
former Great Players , neither has the Charlatans in the Media , and their Supporters in this Forum .
Commie
2016-04-22 19:31:09
In reply to billydred
I just love playing that video.
It's like an IQ test.
XDFIX
2016-04-22 22:24:07
So many mafias want to eat a food, oh well, poor Cameron!
buds
2016-04-22 23:54:48
In reply to ponderiver
Tek yuh time with these guys--Regional governments should shut the fact up and let the wICB run tings..Most regional, if not all cannot run a Mom n Pop store much less to run cricket in the region..All they do is chat shyte..
POINT
2016-05-02 19:49:05
It would be nice if the WICBC and its Supporters ,tell us what the Worst International Cricket Board in the Commonwealth , aka the WICBC plans
on doing to get Financial Sponsors .
The very fact that our u-19 Players ;
our Women's & Men's Team won the
World Championships in the shortest
Version of the game surely means that
Financial Sponsors are available to the WICBC .
I will not entertain any discussion
about the WICBC unable to get other
Financial Sponsors , because of Contractual Obligations to DIGICEL .This B.S speaks volumes regarding the WICBC's TOTAL lack of Business Acumen .
This is precisely why the current
WICBC must be dissolved . As I have stated in this Forum , selling Franchises for 50 years is also a tangible sign that the people in the WICBC have no business sense .
Essential they are saying that the
WICBC has absolutely no faith in our Players improving . That is why the
People in the WICBC must be removed .
POINT
2016-05-16 12:57:35
I am still awaiting responses from the
Supporters of the WICBC , regarding
capitalizing on the fact that three of
Our Teams have won the World Cup in
the shortest version of the game .
The fact is that OUR Players were the first to do this , and their achievements cannot be outdone
,but only equalled , by other International Cricket Teams .
powen001
2016-05-16 16:16:13
In reply to POINT
dont hold your breath.
Sadly- some of my yardie bredren are so compromised here that its almost laughable how they are seeking to defend this version of the WICB which clearly has surpassed all predecessors in the rude, arrogant , disrespectful and dismissive categories combined.
There is no reason for this crop to go on as they have been- none.
POINT
2016-05-16 19:26:26
In reply to powen001
The main point that I am making is that
the WICBC is unable to Capitalize on the Successes of Our 3 Teams in the shortest version of the game .
This in my opinion , tangibly demonstrates the fact that the people
in the WICBC , despite their Educational achievements have exceedingly poor Business Acumen .
Perhaps what is needed is persons
having Certification in Business Acumen , I gather than Certification
is in vogue these days .
powen001
2016-05-16 19:32:03
In reply to POINT
well said..
let me scare you even more...
that same failure has been identified post our glory days...We failed to capitalize on our star power and dominance...but allowed petty jealousies and flag colours to damage the hard work Sir Frank and Lloyd put in for us.
Sir Viv will tell you..he too was fighting the administration for years too..and it ought not to still be the norm...
No IP streams of revenue...NO proper marketing of the lads and clearly missed opportunities to BRAND the team and turn the negatives into positives...CALYPSO cricketers- FOUR PRONG - THE 3 Ws ...i can go on.
fast forward to today and the lads have no choice but to try and manage those areas best they can outside o the WICB.
camos
2016-05-16 20:53:55
WICB was a big factor in this government's coming to power!
POINT
2016-05-16 22:37:54
In reply to powen001
Thanks for reminding me about those missed opportunities . As I have
stated many times in this Forum .
The People in the WICBC missed a great opportunity in the Golden Eras of West Indies Cricket to form a Pro or Semi Pro League in the Region
, at a time when Financial Sponsors would have loved to have their brand associated with our Team .
My Perspective is that most of the
People in the WICBC , for years , have lacked Vision & the ability think Big .
This is why in the longer versions of the game WE are currently where WE
are . I will go to my grave believing that when England decided to limit the number of Players playing Cricket in England , that was aimed mainly at Our Players . Players from other Countries were merely collateral
Damage .
Please bear in mind that there was not a Pro or Semi Pro League in this Region . Shortly after this it was decided to stop International Touring Teams playing the many matches before & between the International matches .
To be Continued .
POINT
2016-05-16 22:55:36
In reply to powen001
Continuation .
To use an American slang , These two
things were a Double Whammy , that started the downward spiral in West
Indies Cricket , particularly in the
longer versions of the game .
Apart from not having a Regional Pro
or Semi Pro League , those many Tour
matches that were discarded , were of tremendous help to Our Players in
getting acclimatized to both the Weather & conditions of the Pitches .
THERE IS ONE AXIOM IN CRICKET THAT IS
STILL ALIVE AND WELL . :
MORE CRICKET IS PLAYED OFF THE FIELD
THAN ON THE FIELD .
Now if you think that is a Joke ,
find out who had the fastest Bowlers in the World when it was decided that
Pace Bowlers can only bowl 1 Bouncer
per Over .
The current hijacking of most of the
Profits by England ; Australia & India is also another classic example .
England , has always made sure that it is very actively involved in Cricket that is being played Off the Field .
Walco
2016-05-18 07:14:10
natty_forever
2016-05-18 08:02:44
In reply to sudden
i remember there was talk that Govt does not contribute to the financial well being of WI cricket. this piece seems to put some pay to that criticism
... POINT
natty_forever
2016-05-18 08:05:56
In reply to buds
Regional governments should shut the fact up and let the wICB run tings.
... been there done that. Time for change, unless you feel they doing an excellent job???
[???]-denotes rhetorical.
POINT
2016-05-18 13:50:04
In reply to natty_forever
Some people have selective Memory Loss . The freaking fact is that the WICBC could not have staged the 2007 Cricket World Cup in the Region , unless the
Regional Governments used TAXPAYERS MONEY To do what needed to be done .
The fact is that the 2007 Cricket World
Cup was a smashing success financially
What is amazing is the fact that those
in the WICBC , turned down the request by the Regional Governments
to implement the recommendations of the Patterson Report .
History informs Us that they refused to do that , and to show their disdain of the Regional Governments
the WICBC immediately commissioned the Wilkin Report , which they then swiftly rejected .
I simply would like to know what the Hell is in the WICBC's 89 year old
Structure that is so sacred that it cannot be changed ?????
That structure was setup in 1927 , WE
are currently living in the 21st Century . However they remain resolute in their Utter Stupidity .
POINT
2016-05-24 23:44:04
Yes the WICBC has the same Sponsor ,
DIGICEL , for both the Women Team &
the U-19 Team . Digicel is ensuring
that it has a Strangle hold on Sponsorship .
Maybe this is payback for the case that
went to the Privy Council that the Worst International Cricket Board in
the Commonwealth lost .
One thing I am very certain of going
to the Privy Council , does not cost Peanuts . Let me again state a FACT .
The People in the WICBC , are utterly
devoid of Business Acumen .
So the crux of the matter is that
DIGICEL , not only has the WICBC all
tied up , it has the WICBC in a Straight Jacket . The end result is
that the WICBC is totally unable to
attract or get other Financial Sponsors . DIGICEL is the only game
in Town .
Obviously this is going to seriously impact on the standard of Cricket in
the Region ; and the competitiveness
of our Teams & Players in the International Cricket Arena .
It is all about Foresight & Vision ,
and the people in the WICBC for many years have tangibly demonstrated that
they do not possess any of these necessary qualities .
POINT
2016-05-25 00:20:43
It is this lack of Foresight & Vision
why the People in the WICBC bluntly
refuse to change their 89 years old
Structure .
The New Zealand Cricket Board , some years ago recognized that it was on the
wrong Track , and decided to institute
changes .
But not this Lot , they are Hell bent
on retaining their 1927 Structure .
They bluntly refuse to be brought or
dragged into the 21st Century . They
can do this because they have the
backing & support of the International Cricket Cabal ; an entity that has recently covered itself in Feces .
POINT
2016-06-02 12:19:25
Well I have stated most of what the
Minister of Public Service in St. Lucia
has stated in this Forum since 2003 .
However the Lackeys of the WICBC in
this Forum , are always quick in an attempt to blunt what I state , by
stating that I am saying the same things all the Time .
Because they have drunk the Kool Aid
the WICBC freely provides , they are
totally brainwashed .
POINT
2016-06-02 18:21:29
Let me refresh the minds of many in this Forum . Prior to the 2007 World Cup that was held in the Region the
WICBC went to the Regional Governments
with Hat in Hand begging the Regional
Governments for their assistance in
Helping the WICBC host the 2007 Cricket
World Cup .
Obviously to ALL, but Idiots , the
Regional Governments had the Worst
International Cricket Board in the
Commonwealth , aka the WICBC over a
Barrel .
I stated in this very Forum that it
was incumbent on the Regional Governments in return for using Taxpayers money , to build new Stadia , Refurbish existing stadia , and Spruce up the Grounds .
The Regional Governments needed to have the WICBC sign a legally binding document , stating in clear unambiguous language that the WICBC will undergo serious Structural
changes .
Unfortunately that was not done , and
now the WICBC 9 years later is still
fighting Tooth & Nail , to retain its
89 years old Structure .
Folks , this was a great missed opportunity ; and in my opinion the
Regional Governments failed the Region . Because the WICBC got all that it wanted , while WE are still
stuck with the Real Pirates of the
Caribbean ; who have absolutely no intention of changing their 1927 Structure .
POINT
2016-06-07 21:16:28
It is very interesting that the Kool Aid Drinkers , remain in hiding , rather than coming here to defend the
indefensible .
I would like them to explain, to those of us who are Critics of the WICBC , exactly how Cameron & Co intend to do the following :
1. RAISE THE STANDARD OF CRICKET
IN THE REGION .
2.MAKE OUR PLAYERS & TEAMS VERY
COMPETITIVE IN THE INTERNATIONAL
CRICKET ARENA .
In my opinion , unless the above is done ; any thoughts of Our Players &
Team being fully competitive in the
International Cricket Arena will never happen .
The Truth is that if our Players are not competitive in all the versions of the game , Sponsors aint going to be knocking down the doors of the WICBC .
Drapsey
2016-06-07 21:36:05
In reply to POINT
Saint Lucia's Minister for the Public Service weighs in...
Dave bad.
Man open him mouth and see wha' happen?
ponderiver
2016-06-07 22:44:18
In reply to Drapsey
Should di headline be changed to former minister
Oh fugg
POINT
2016-06-07 23:39:07
In reply to Drapsey
The fact that his Party was trounced at the Elections , did not , & does not invalidate what he stated .
Frankly Governments Elections in the Region graphically illustrate that they are answerable to the people of their Countries .
THIS HOWEVER IS IN STARK CONTRAST TO
THE WICBC , WHICH CONTINUOUSLY
INDULGES IN PLAYING MUSICAL CHAIRS
AND RECYCLING MEMBERS .
The above is cannot be disputed , While Governments are answerable to
the People .
THE WICBC IS ANSWERABLE TO NO ONE ,
IN THE REGION OR THE PLANET .
This is precisely why Cricket in the
Region is in a Big Mess . It is really unbelievable that Cricket in the Region is saddled by Persons who
like little Kids , bluntly refuse to
give up their 89 years old Security
Blanket - their 1927 Structure .
ponderiver
2016-06-08 00:14:54
ponderiver
2016-06-08 13:24:48
camos
2016-06-08 13:44:52
In reply to ponderiver
voters said mind your own business!
Kay
2016-06-08 13:50:39
Whappen to de minister? He loose because he supported Caricom?
Courtesy
2016-06-08 13:56:58
ponderiver
2016-06-08 16:08:58
In reply to Courtesy
Nice try ah hope you know how to play di castanets
POINT
2016-06-08 16:31:34
In reply to ponderiver
SVG had elections in December last year , the Governing Party won the Elections . It has been in Office since 2001 , so what you have stated
aint a trend .
In fact that Government won the Elections by a large margin than it did on previous occasions .
YOU still have not invalidated the
point I have made . Regional Governments are answerable to the People , the WICBC however is answerable only to itself .
The onus is on YOU & OTHERS , to respond to my last paragraph . failure to respond will lead me to believe that you are possibly an ally
of the Worst International Cricket Board in the Commonwealth .