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Sir Viv hammers the ICC. Say they are out of order...

 
FanAttick 2016-04-29 03:42:42 

Smoking Joe delivers a trademark uppercut to the ICC's solar plexus

 
mikesiva 2016-04-29 05:25:30 

In reply to FanAttick

lol

 
ponderiver 2016-04-29 05:38:53 

was it di weed talking ??

The players behaviour was disrespectful , I accept some were caught up in the moment
it was not the time and place for it.It was a world tournament not a party political broadcast

The foot on the table incident by Samuels was not as it appeared he had pads on and could not get his feet under the Low table


will the women be taking their tops off next time they win a tournament and then cuss out the WICB for not paying them the same as the men!!!!!??? where is it going to end ???

Sammy clearly was acting on the the instructions of his handlers as he did when he first cravenly accepted the Captaincy

for forksake !!! clapping and talking shoite is now the new standard for our Captains

 
doosra 2016-04-29 06:32:12 

In reply to ponderiver

was it di weed talking ??


wuh dih

 
FanAttick 2016-04-29 06:34:00 

In reply to doosra

He should change his name to Pondebank for dissing the great man....

 
natty_forever 2016-04-29 08:23:30 

In reply to ponderiver

The players behaviour was disrespectful , I accept some were caught up in the moment
it was not the time and place for it.It was a world tournament not a party political broadcast
...


Yet ...
The foot on the table incident by Samuels was not as it appeared he had pads on and could not get his feet under the Low table
... SMFH


One speaking the truth and not speaking down to or using profanity is frowned on ... while "lack of proper etiquette" is accepted.

 
Cleg 2016-04-29 08:29:10 

Yet no media outlet noted this glaring double standard concerning the ICC versus Indians viz a viz the WI. From what I am seeing. The media houses are lackeys to big business simple put


That you POINT?

 
Cheeks 2016-04-29 08:42:25 

In reply to ponderiver

You are hilariously clueless....and dishonest I think too.

Ever been to the Antigua Recreation ground in Grenada??? rolleyes

 
powen001 2016-04-29 09:07:45 

In reply to FanAttick

it would be nice to hear the other legends respond as well...that Sir Viv is taking the lead on this is no surprise to me.

Ponde

one of the these days you will help me to understand your blind loyalty on this occasion to the shenanigans of the WICB...all while clearly hands down the most polarizing of all leaders in Dave Cameron is at the helm.

I didn't support Hilaires tactics but he was always willing to speak up and accept the challenge to his style like a man...

but like I said..one of these days.

 
matchstick 2016-04-29 09:15:24 

In reply to powen001

I didn't support Hilaires tactics but he was always willing to speak up and accept the challenge to his style like a man...


Thats pure BS!

I see people running around saying that Hunt was not as bad also because he had Government Structure change as a higher priority than Dave.

Fact is the criticism is always against 'WICB' and never against individuals.

When Dave get prematurely kicked out and we dont get a chance to see if his ideas work over time.... YOU and the rest will be saying At least Dave put the first class system first and championed payment for performance of the senior team.!!!

 
ponderiver 2016-04-29 09:31:18 

In reply to powen001

Pow, look I believe changes have to be made at the WICB.

Use the democratic process to effect change, that's why it is there??

Some hang on to every word Viv says , they are entitled to their opinion!!

This is the same Viv who was skinning his teeth when Marlon had his face rearranged by Malinga ??

Did Viv speak out against Stanford on behalf of all the people Stanford defrauded?

Sammy was out of order to wash our dirty laundry to the world on prime time tv.

Just like his grab for captaincy .... it was an attempted coup

Some of us didn't even get a chance to enjoy the moment,it was spoiled in an instant .

Sammy appears to be an opportunist, he has proved that over and over,from the early clapping ,enthusiastic cheerleader to the ascendancy to captaincy ,it is all there , not for one moment did he have a on the road to Damascus moment .

Those forkers knew the world cup was an audition for the IPL, they were not going to miss that opportunity!!!???

Sammy smarter than all of them he made sure his playing stock remained high....... he hardly batted or bowled !!! smile

He has all the makings of a third world politician,of a banana republic , watch the ride.

Viv the cricketer was one of the greatest ever , lets leave it at that.

All Of the Legends who supported Stanford lack credibility......I can't be taking them seriously when it is clear that they were singing for their supper as they are doing now

 
carl0002 2016-04-29 09:48:24 

In reply to matchstick
Never mind Mr Midget. Classical Powfencesitting where he hedge one against the other and get balance by making sure he tip toe come down on both sides of the fence.
lol lol

 
powen001 2016-04-29 10:16:00 

In reply to ponderiver

ok..so lets chat.

Since the pressure has been coming down there has been some revealing of efforts made to get some things done and indeed something are being done.

That actually is not really the argument here at all.

You can win all those little battles about kits being prepared and pitches and umpires and all that...yet the governance and leadership are worst.

Dave even more so than Hilaire has been caustic and scathing in his puerile behavior against the players.

the facts are: WIPA severely compromised and trust absent.
Players like Sammy himself have exposed open wound and on behalf of his mates are clearly calling out for help in this area....yet WICB and its supporters bawling Look what we have achieved really means anything?

like I said..ignoring the workers- the real Battle is truly not won.

When I hear and see players working with Management and leadership as one then I know that the War is passed.

 
powen001 2016-04-29 10:22:43 

In reply to ponderiver

I have noticed several persons really messing with historical facts on several subjects.

WHEN Stanford was here.. ONLY one Government said thanks but no thanks... BARBADOS ( to the best of my recollection).

Many saw his involvement as a good thing...and were applauding the man..

The Legends being involved with endorsing him is absolutely no different from England agreeing to the Tournament held under his care now is it?

so to blame VIV and others for their involvement is disingenuous at best.

Sammy weakest moments were under Hilaire as that was truly being used to be a pawn against the other players but alas...

Here we are..Tweeting Dave runs things and the players are completely fed up with the WICB .

please note..I aint mention any Caricom leaders yet.

 
POINT 2016-04-29 10:23:50 

Sir Vivian has made a very telling point in what he stated . In essence he
has focused on the fact that the ICC has two sets of Rules . Sir Vivian Richards illustrated the point he was making , by citing the fact that in India no third Umpire is allowed .

To what Sir Vivian stated let me add
to support what he stated . In the International Cricket Cabal , Full Members are empowered to do anything that they want . Meanwhile The ICC
cracks its whip on its Affiliate Members harshly .

The gist of what Sir Vivian stated is that having an Organization with two different sets of Rules is Asinine .
There must be one set of Rules for Every One in the ICC .

I am looking forward to the day when the International Cricket Cabal goes
under the microscope , like FIFA &
the IOC . It sure aint going to be
Pretty .

 
powen001 2016-04-29 10:26:15 

In reply to POINT

and I am seeing some on here ignoring that he has pointed to that substantial bit of hypocrisy with the usual smoke of what Viv did and with whom back in whenever for whatever...

as though we are all stupid and cant see the distractions from the subject matter for what it is.

 
Khaga 2016-04-29 10:39:57 

Viv misses the detail in his broadside against the ICC.

 
POINT 2016-04-29 10:53:35 

In reply to powen001

Leave them , in my opinion , Sir Vivian made an exceedingly telling point regarding the 3RD Umpire not being used in India .

He has seriously exposed the hypocrisy
of the International Cricket Cabal .
As I have repeatedly stated in this Forum ; the hijacking of most of the
profits by England ; Australia & India should leave absolutely no
doubt in anyone's mind that the International Cricket Cabal , has completely lost whatever little
Prestige ; Honour ; Integrity it once
enjoyed in the World .

People need to understand as I have
stated the ICC is an Entity For the
International Cricket Boards ; Many of them , if not all of them , passed
an asinine Rule stating that Governments cannot intervene in Cricket . Which is a load of feces .

That asinine statement was dispelled
by the Non appearance of the WICBC &
the ICC when the Guyana Government took the Guyana Cricket Board to Court . Why the Hell were they not
in Court ???

Very recently in India , the BCCI &
the States Cricket Associations were
verbally blasted by the India Supreme
Court . Where the Hell was the International Cricket Cabal ?? and why was it not in Court on behalf of
the BCCI et al ???

In matters before the Courts , the
ICC is devoid of any of its vestiges of its Power . Where was the ICC , as I have stated here many times , when on 4 separate occasions , the President of Pakistan fired the whole
Pakistan Cricket ; appointed a Chairman & an Ad Hoc Committee to govern Cricket in Pakistan until there were Elections for Officers in the PCB .

 
ponderiver 2016-04-29 11:00:00 

In reply to powen001


I respect you as a poster and I know your heart is in the right place ,however I stand by my comments re Sammy and also the behaviour of the team.

I believe those points were the genesis of ICC's reprimand and ultimately this thread and indeed were addressed in my own response

Viv's other points was a clumsy attempt to address the situation regarding the creation of the big three and a dig at India's intransigence regarding the DRS etc.


My views regarding the WICB and change of Leadership is simple ... there is a democratic process available ...... use it

 
natty_forever 2016-04-29 11:07:48 

In reply to ponderiver... but pondie, is the whole structure needs change not only those democratically elected. Maybe there should be a term limit as to how long you can serve.


Also, pondie, Dave was behind Sammy being captain.

 
POINT 2016-04-29 11:28:25 

In life at times One has to break protocol to make a point . What transpired in the Mexico Olympics regarding the Black Power Salute may not have been correct , but it certainly made an Impact .

Does anyone in this Forum believe that
had Sammy gone behind closed doors in the ICC , an Entity solely a creature
of the International Cricket Boards . It only answers to them .

Now if the International Cricket Cabal decides to make a Martyr of
Sammy & Our Players , it may face very serious repercussions .

Ghandi , Martin Luther King jr . Mandela spoke TRUTH to power ; I am not equating Sammy to those men , however Sammy more than likely was so pent up with the treatment he and the Players have been subjected to by the
Worst International Cricket Board in the Commonwealth .

 
ponderiver 2016-04-29 11:56:30 

In reply to natty_forever

Maybe there should be a term limit as to how long you can serve.
I have long advocated that

or a rotating presidency if that doesn't work we might have to copy the ICC model and let the big three call the shots smile smile


on a serious note The structure is the sum total of its parts

I am not sure how the changes from the grass root up will work . One thing I am sure of is that those clamouring for change do not wish for a future with Dave at the helm of the new entity.

 
Walco 2016-04-29 12:08:03 

In reply to ponderiver

The players behaviour was disrespectful


Was Gayle disrespectful when he cussed Hilaire and Gibson during that KLAS interview?

Sammy clearly was acting on the the instructions of his handlers as he did when he first cravenly accepted the Captaincy


Gayle must have been one of Sammy's handlers because soon after Sammy finished his post-game interview Gayle told him he should have said a lot more about Dave and his hachet crew.

 
POINT 2016-04-29 13:08:29 

Change does not come from Power , by begging , It only comes by making & using
available Platforms to express One's
disgust ; and exposing those who bluntly refuse to change .

Apparently many here seem oblivious of that freaking fact . Sometimes some People have to pay a price , so that others ultimately can benefit .

Evidently those who are critical of
Darren Sammy , are blithely unaware
of this fact .

 
BenGman 2016-04-29 13:40:16 

In reply to ponderiver

will the women be taking their tops off next time they win a tournament


Was Brandi Chastain taking her shirt off after scoring the winning shot in the penalty shootout disrespectful?

Sports people have such a glorious occupation. They get to cartwheel and flip and take off their clothes and jump into ponds and romp on people everytime they score a goal/hit a winning shot. I'm a part time programmer, sometimes to break the monotony of getting an algorithm working I get up and run around a bit.

I envy all of them and celebrate with them in their success.

 
POINT 2016-04-29 14:15:14 

In reply to BenGman

I agree with what you have stated ,
unfortunately the International Cricket Cabal & its Member Boards , partIcularly the WICBC are extremely PETTY .

They love to flaunt their Power and Stupidity , imagine an Organization
that is in the governance of International Cricket gave its Blessings to India ; Australia & England to hijack most of the ICC's
Profits , with the approval of 7 Foolish Board Members .

Among the 7 Foolish Members was the
Worst International Cricket Board in the Commonwealth , the WICBC. It would agree to anything as long as it can keep its 89 years old Structure intact .

 
POINT 2016-04-29 14:20:10 

In reply to BenGman

Your reference to Brandi Chastain taking her shirt off in the World Cup
Match is right on point .

 
Cleg 2016-04-29 14:34:19 

In reply to BenGman


I'm a part time programmer, sometimes to break the monotony of getting an algorithm working I get up and run around a bit.



Back in the day I use to run around shouting


....debug! debug! debug! after solving an IBM PC problem.

lol lol lol

 
XDFIX 2016-04-29 22:34:43 

In reply to ponderiver

All Of the Legends who supported Stanford lack credibility......I can't be taking them seriously when it is clear that they were singing for their supper as they are doing now


Endorsed!

Under Cameron leadership nuff more cricketers eating a food

In my opinion, Cameron has passed the fork test

 
POINT 2016-04-30 15:19:16 

In reply to Cleg

No that was not me , I only write in this Forum , however I am pleased to see that others views are in sync with
mine .

 
Cheeks 2016-04-30 22:24:13 

In reply to Walco

Drowningintheriver reply to you yet??

 
Walco 2016-05-02 07:50:34 

In reply to Cheeks

Let me check my PM ... Nothing there big grin big grin big grin

Pondi would make a good lawyer or politician though. He can see all sides of an issue and take each and every one of them over time.

 
ponderiver 2016-05-02 11:13:50 

In reply to Walco


Let me check my PM ... Nothing there
big grin big grin big grin

arrite Mr Walcott here we go



Was Gayle disrespectful when he cussed Hilaire and Gibson during that KLAS interview?
In a word ...... no

first of all Gayle was responding to personal attacks from sir doctah Hil and Handsome Man and secondly he was no longer a member of the team, remember he was likened to dudus and was not a student of the game.!!!!!!

He along with the PD's were cussed out by handsome man ....... Poor Sarwan never recovered and his career went south

it took the intervention of the di Honourable Ralphy (OPERATION SUCCESSFUL PATIENT DEAD ) and Lady P to have Gayle restored to di team.

Two world cups in the WICB trophy cabinet, have confirmed what a wise move that was. smile

To my mind ,the ICC saw nothing wrong with Gayle's comments, that spoke volumes.

I don't bother too much with fat boi cheeks .......... It is kind of hard to cuss someone when you have respect for their beautiful and intelligent sister!!!

 
Walco 2016-05-02 11:38:18 

In reply to ponderiver

Look like yuh wud mek gud revisionist historian tuh smile

I will deal wid dis one doh.

it took the intervention of the di Honourable Ralphy (OPERATION SUCCESSFUL PATIENT DEAD ) and Lady P to have Gayle restored to di team.


All that was necessary all along for Gayle to rejoin the team was an apology for his "disrespectful" statements. Di Honourable Ralphie facilitated same and Gayle was back in di team.

Now doan mek mi summon Courtesy fih yuh smile

 
Jabari18 2016-05-02 11:51:58 

In reply to ponderiver

My views regarding the WICB and change of Leadership is simple ... there is a democratic process available ...... use it


The WICB has an interesting democratic model. Regional boards are generally made up of self serving individuals forming an old boys club. In the very least the TTCB is set up in a way that allows for corruption in the selection of the leadership. The best person is often not chosen. Sometimes democracies fail and a revolution is needed

 
Cheeks 2016-05-02 12:17:14 

In reply to Walco

He's pretty silly.

Clueless about most things apparently. That is kinda forgivable I guess.

The rank dishonesty is where he gets into really murky water.

What a fraud.

 
ponderiver 2016-05-02 13:02:27 

the hatred for things Jamaican is palpable

i merely reported what was posted by one journalist re Samuels' foot pon di table but all of you ass wipes assumed I was making this up....


Pads pon di table a journalist view


In the post match-conference, Samuels decided to show his boots to journalists and cameras as he sat in the chair with his spikes placed on the table.

Initially, his position looked a bit awkward, but later few journalists felt that as he came to the conference with his pads on, he might be cramping for leg space.





The comments section makes for interesting reading

 
jelfew 2016-05-02 19:59:36 

In reply to ponderiver
I am trying to see or hear what Marlon Did or say that was rude.
How much time did he have to take off his gears before the press conference?
Is it ok to have a press conference with players in their gears?
Is it rude to attend a press conference in gear?
Why was he not allowed to take of his pads before the press conference?
Would it not be rude to attempt to take off the gears while in a press conference?
Is it OK for commentaters to talk negatively about you but not OK to respond?
Is it OK for someone to sledge but when you respond it is rude?

Funnily, no mention is made about what Shane and Ben may have said that brought about the response from Marlon.

 
Babylon 2016-05-02 20:56:57 

In reply to ponderiver

there is a democratic process available ...... use it

wot a novel idea. Too bad the bruddas inna America doant do same. Oh hell is a lot better to burn, loot, and destroy