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When de selectors selected this ODI Squad,

 
WestDem 2016-05-26 13:56:38 

how did they justified selecting Pollard? I remember clearly dat they said both him and Bravo wasn't selected previously due to performances nat being up to par.

Just looked up Polly's last 15 ODI's and saw he scored a total of 260 in his last 15 innings averaging 17.33...89 was de highest...something nah mek sense here!!!

I don't want to think dat dis is a quota pick!

 
silver 2016-05-26 14:37:51 

In reply to WestDem


You really should check into a program

 
WestDem 2016-05-26 14:45:34 

In reply to silver

I am posting from my program...yuh have anything to post that will justify Polly's selection?

 
DIEHARD 2016-05-26 15:56:53 

In reply to WestDem

Havent we long ago established that these aren't "cricket" selectors?

These guys are more like..politician's...cricket has absolutely no bearing on selections, its all pandeirng to whichever stakeholder they feel they owe a debt to, or to save face, or to play the tune as requested by he who is paying the piper.

Don't expect any cricket sensible selections..not from this bunch of forking jokers..sick o dem *spit*

 
WestDem 2016-05-26 18:06:39 

In reply to DIEHARD

They are a bunch of soup drinkers indeed....

 
Narper 2016-05-26 18:15:45 

In reply to WestDem

What about Carter stats?

I don't believe any of the idiots look at the stats at all....
You and I know....all it takes is a few clicks and all the stats are available in secs

But it seems de skunts pick from memory...and dem ALL suffering from dementia...but only Big PU-C could be excused...

 
openning 2016-05-26 18:19:13 

In reply to Narper
The system is still archaic, these guys should be scouts, that recommend players to the cricket management group, with the coach and his panel, putting his team on the field.

 
Narper 2016-05-26 18:55:13 

In reply to openning

Man...dem doan even need scouts....if money is the issue....look how local matches are covered on this board....posters all over the region send scores with comments to boot...all dem dumb ass selectors need to do is follow the wagons here covering the local games

 
silver 2016-05-26 19:37:48 

In reply to openning


These muddies only want to see their own in the side.you ever hear they talk about chandrika, man on central contract yet Carlos Braithwaite was not given one

 
openning 2016-05-26 19:41:16 

In reply to silver

I am not a muddie, but I am a fan of Chandrika.

 
Commie 2016-05-26 20:10:02 

Jonathan Carter has only played 12 ODIS. TWELVE ! He averages 19.

After TWELVE ODIS Pollard averaged 9. He has now played 91 ODIS and averages 25.21.

Yet we are told for Jonathan Carter to get a play for WI he has to outperform the likes of Pollard in domestic LO Cricket.

For further reference, Chris Gayle averaged 16 after 12 ODIS, Dwayne Bravo 16 after 12 ODIS.

Time to give alternative players a sustained chance instead of stacking the decks for the same people to stink up the joint.

 
Jabari18 2016-05-27 06:38:03 

In reply to WestDem

I defended bravo when he was dropped because he was in good form. Selected for the ICC team. I never defended Pollard. Polly has been struggling. And he didn't play the super 50 so I don't see how they will know he in form now

 
matchstick 2016-05-27 07:09:24 

IMO: He was selected... along with Narine to simply prove a point that if u make yourself available for selection u will be selected.

In WICB's Opinion... Potentially: It may be the coach's influence also. When they were last not selected the Coach voiced the need for Pollard and Bravo in the team.

Maybe during this selection cycle the panel saw things a bit more from the Coach's perspective and the fact that he met the criteria for selection also made it a bit easier for selection. The non availability of a few of the seniors from that squad that Polly missed also opened up a few spots which could make the Coach's argument worthwhile.
wink wink

 
DIEHARD 2016-05-27 09:07:24 

In reply to Commie

Move you disingenuos raas from ere.

Gayle, Bravo and Pollard had put up very impressive stats in some tournament/season, that was the basis for them being persisted with.

Where has Carter ever performed impressively?

 
Commie 2016-05-27 10:22:18 

In reply to DIEHARD

After the SAME number of games NONE of them had achieved jackshit.

In fact he is ahead of them ALL if the mediocre numbers at that stage means anything.

 
natty_forever 2016-05-27 10:33:29 

In reply to Commie... your proof would be nice.

 
VIX 2016-05-27 10:36:20 

In reply to WestDem

this is probly why

 
DIEHARD 2016-05-27 10:43:54 

In reply to Commie

lol..listen man..does one get selected for the ODI team based on their ODI performances?? lol lol

Gayle was making centuries and records, Pollard too same, and had established a reputation in the Champions league.

What Carter has done in FC or list A or T-20s , pales greatly in comparison to Gayle prior to his selection and is also not anywhere close to Pollard's standard prior to selection, so stop u shite of comparing that shytehound to Gayle and Pollard's selections

Carter's best season


Pollard's best season

 
WestDem 2016-05-27 11:01:50 

In reply to VIX

What is that you posted there? Not sure if that is to justify or embarrass his selection...

 
WestDem 2016-05-27 11:02:56 

In reply to DIEHARD

Yuh right, he should not be compared to Gayle but why can't he be compared to shytehound Polly?

 
Narper 2016-05-27 11:08:18 

The 28 year old Carter has a 30 FC batting average....this is his highest ave in any form of the game...and he has been playing FC cricket for 8 years,

Time to give a real youth a chance

 
DIEHARD 2016-05-27 11:09:46 

In reply to WestDem

Listen I agreed with the selectors for omitting Pollard , but not for omitting Bravo initially.

Polard's IPL form maaaaybe allows you to consider him for selection since the cupboard is bare.

Anyways, back to the issue at hand, Westdem is trying to compare Pollard to Carter at the same stage of their ODI careers to justify the selectors sticking with him.

I am saying Pollard's stats in all other formats at the same stage in their ODI career is superior to Carter's, Pollard's performance in the T-20 Champions league, Regional 4 day, A- team matches and List A matches at that point, were all impressive..very impressive.


See their respective best FC season batting stats above.

 
WestDem 2016-05-27 11:15:52 

In reply to DIEHARD

Anyways, back to the issue at hand, Westdem is trying to compare Pollard to Carter at the same stage of their ODI careers to justify the selectors sticking with him.


Not true! I said that de two ah dem can be compared as you see it fit...cause both ah dem have mediocre average...my issue is more or less trying to understand what the selectors used as the criteria to justify Polly's selection.

 
Narper 2016-05-27 11:20:47 

In reply to WestDem

I will admit Polly must do better

But Polly brings much more to the table than his stats indicate...

Polly is one of the best out fielder and catcher in the game today.

Polly bats at a position when he is always expected to accelerate the innings and therefore take chances...one can't realistically expect a 40+ ave.

Polly is always a potential match winner

A FC ave of 38 with 4 tons deserve a TEST call up

 
VIX 2016-05-27 12:03:20 

In reply to WestDem

lol who better available?

 
VIX 2016-05-27 12:03:34 

In reply to Narper

justice fi K. Braffit

 
Narper 2016-05-27 12:16:49 

In reply to VIX

K Braffit deserves a play....based on his recent OD stats

 
Commie 2016-05-27 12:43:54 

In reply to DIEHARD

Are you for real ?

Jonathan Carter is already playing ODI Cricket and is averaging more than Pollard, Gayle, Bravo did at the same point in their careers for matches played.

That is FACT.

You are telling me that you want to go back to FC cricket to do more to get picked to perform better at the same stage of their careers ?

Did you get stoned repeatedly in the head recently ?

Go to howstat, do a cumulative record and watch.

The problem is that you actually are restating this point for the world to see.

 
Kurt 2016-05-27 13:27:52 

In reply to Commie

Jonathan Carter is already playing ODI Cricket and is averaging more than Pollard, Gayle, Bravo did at the same point in their careers for matches played.

That is FACT.


That is a SELECTIVE fact!

Here is another (SELECTIVE) fact:

carter made his ODI debut at 27 with 7 years of first class experience behind him. Gayle & Polly were both 19 when they made their ODI debuts with less than a year's first class experience under their belt.

Gayle & Polly were expected to improve withe experience, which they did. At 28, Carter cannot be expected to show the same sort of improvement.

So your FACT is nothing but CRAP, designed to further your personal agenda! You can't (well actually you shouldn't) compare a 28 year old Carter against a 20 year old Gayle or Polly. That's clearly nonsense!

As for Polly, he obviously merited a place in the side when he was dropped. However, he's only just coming back from a lengthy spell out with a major ACL injury. I don't think he's an obvious pick now, given that & I think he'll struggle.

 
DIEHARD 2016-05-27 13:39:13 

In reply to Kurt

Thanks Kurt.. No need to respond to that buffoon now

 
DIEHARD 2016-05-27 14:15:51 

In reply to WestDem



My apologies Westdem..my issue is with Commie..comparing ODI stats at relative stages of their career to compare persistence with this 28 y.o mediocrity who has not stamped his class at any level, in any tourney..against any opposition!!

After the SAME number of games NONE of them had achieved jackshit.

In fact he is ahead of them ALL if the mediocre numbers at that stage means anything.


I completely agree that Polard has done nothing to regain selection..other than the fact that the cupboard is bare

Looking at it logically, Mohammed, Blackwood, Rusell, Rampaul and Bishoo have been omitted from the last ODI series that the WI played, for Pollard, Nurse, Benn and Gabriel Mohammed played one innings, and Blackwood two...these guys were better than Pollard then, but not better than him now? Or is Pollard meant to replace Russell? None of it makes sense.

The selectors' flawed logic is definitely being exposed..

 
Commie 2016-05-27 14:19:37 

In reply to Kurt

The fact that you are a forking ass is one thing. The fact that you chose to back up another brain dead forking ass shows that fools can actually collude.

You can ONLY project a players career from when they start. In Pollards case his improvement is only 6 points MORE over 79 more games than where Carter is right NOW ! That is with ALL those years of added experience. In fact it took Pollard 35 matches to even average where Carter is NOW !

carter did not pick himself. Neither to be fair did Pollard.

Pollard

Carter

Different players progress at different rates and they can ONLY PERFORM when they are picked.

Bravo and Gayle improved. Pollard marginally did.

Dont burst your brains trying to get a clue.

 
DIEHARD 2016-05-27 14:29:23 

In reply to Commie

You forgot to take into the account where Carter is starting from..and i repeat..he has not stamped his class..at any level..unlike Pollard, their stats at other levels should also be taken into consideration when considering your projections Sir.

The thing is we wil never know for sure given the fact that Pollard no longer plays first class or List A cricket..but the fact he consistently finds work from other "selectors" in the cricketing world while no one has time for Carter...tells me enough.. lol

 
Commie 2016-05-27 14:38:13 

In reply to DIEHARD

T20 is of no value to this discussion. Zero. They could as well be other sports, given the ranking and performance of WI in the two disciplines with many of the same cast.

And lets get it straight. I am not the one doing projections.

You and Kurt are.

What is ridiculous is given the fact that Carter is outperforming the others at the similar stage, that you demand that he go back to FC cricket to perform so that he be given a chance to outperform Pollard, which ironically he is already doing.

I simply say, give him an extended run just like many of those players like Pollard have been given.

Now I assume English is your first language because I have tried to simplify this shit down to the basics to help you.

I am not going to repeat.

 
DIEHARD 2016-05-27 15:32:09 

In reply to Commie

I'm simply saying, in any sport..heck in any endeavour, before promotion to the next level..before being persisted with, one should show proficiency in the previous.

Carter has NOT..simple enough?

You a Bajan int?

 
Kurt 2016-05-27 15:47:45 

In reply to Commie

You can ONLY project a players career from when they start.


The simple point is that a player starting his international career at 27 with 7 years of first class experience is not directly comparable to a player starting his career at 19 with only a couple of first class games under his belt. Unless you accept this simple point any further discussion is futile. To not accept this point is to completely dismiss the value of playing 7 years of first class cricket in the Caribbean.

You CHOSE to use the number of international (ODI) matches as a comparison point because it furthered your agenda. Using age, or the number of seasons of experience as a comparison point would equally if not more valid. You would never do that though, because it would contradict your agenda.

To say that Carter, a specialist top order batsman with an ODI batting average of under 20 and an appallingly low SR of 61, is outperforming anybody, is jack-assery of the most rare sort.

PS - Gayle's SR is 85, Pollard's is 93.

 
birdseye 2016-05-27 17:01:47 

In reply to Kurt

The simple point is that a player starting his international career at 27 with 7 years of first class experience is not directly comparable to a player starting his career at 19 with only a couple of first class games under his belt.

You got him on the rope - he is wobbling - now go for the knockout big grin

 
DIEHARD 2016-05-27 17:26:22 

In reply to birdseye

Think he's already been K.O'd ..dont expect to see him back on this thread

 
doublecentury 2016-05-27 18:31:21 

How can you make a comparison between carter and pollard without noting where they bat,their role and their strike rate?

 
POINT 2016-05-28 21:41:13 

Lost in the shuffle is this very interesting fact . That many here bluntly refuse to acknowledge or admit
to being the TRUTH .

From their inception , TEST Cricket &
ODI Cricket in our Men Players has been under the control of the WICBC . While
the Shortest version of the game was
farmed out until a few years ago .

So that the successes of Our Men Players in the shortest format of the
game cab never ever be attributed to
the WICBC .

On the other hand , the Failures of
our men Players are attributable to
the WICBC & its Stooges in the Local
Regional Boards .

Like for example the Windward Islands Cricket Board that has mandated that
the Windward Islands Tournament be completed in two days .

Cricket in the Windward Islands has seriously REGRESSED . I can confidently state this , because the Windward Island Tournament was once
PLAYED OVER 4 DAYS .

 
POINT 2016-05-28 22:06:17 

The fact is that in the era when Touring Teams came to the Region ,they played 4 day Matches in the Windward &
Leeward Islands .

That is what spawned players like
Ian Neverson ; Alfie Roberts ; Frank Mason ; Bam Charles , Irving Shillingford et al .

But as soon as all these many matches
for International Touring ceased ,
the Windward Islands Cricket Board
decided to abandoned the idea of the
Windward Islands Tournament having a duration of 4 days .

So then the question is this How the
Hell , are Players in the Windward Islands , going to learn the following things which are essential to be successful .How to Pace an Innings ; Concentrate for long Periods ; Forge fruitful Partnerships ; attain Mental & Physical Stamina ???

Then when Players Fail , they are roundly castigated . I can only state
what happens in the Windward Islands , others will have to comment on their Countries .

What I have stated here , are the main reasons why the standard of Windward Islands Cricket is below par , and frankly in the longer versions of the game in the Region , the standard quite clearly is PISS POOR .

Yet despite this fact the WICBC & the
Local Regional Boards bluntly refuse
to address this fact . They are much more interested in holding on to their 89 years old Structure .Nothing
else matters to these Bums .

Sadly , the International Cricket Cabal ; is uninterested in the manner in which its Members address the
problems that are faced in some Countries .

Its solution is to have two tiers . Let me say once again , there needs to be a very THOROUGH INVESTIGATION
OF both THE INTERNATIONAL CRICKET
CABAL , aka the ICC ; and the worst International Cricket Board in the Commonwealth , aka WICBC .

 
ponderiver 2016-05-28 22:40:35 

In reply to DIEHARD



Think he's already been K.O'd ..dont expect to see him back on this thread
Lixxxxxx big grin big grin big grin big grin big grin big grin big grin big grin big grin big grin big grin big grin