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There will be turmoil in this country. Another recession in the offing and there will also be repercussions in other EU countries especially France where Le Pen will want a same deal.
This is the start of the break up of the EU itself as the far right start taking control.

The Scots will want to go their own way and who can blame them!

This is going to be a complete disaster.

Bunch of idiotic voters falling for Project Hate!

In reply to NineMiles

Didt realise how serious this shit was. Sad day

In reply to NineMiles

The sad fact is fear works! And fear of foreigners has a much greater effect. So yes, the far right will have more power.

In reply to Real-cricket

A very sad day indeed....the pound sterling has already fallen to its lowest point since 1985.

In reply to NineMiles

So that vote is final?

Why shoot yourself in the foot?

In reply to NineMiles

When does it take effect?

Went into town today and the leavers came out of the closet

My barber and his family
The Sri Lankan lady and the philipino guy in the Afro Caribbean shop
The Nigerian lady in the same shop
The South African guy on the burger van

They all thought we'd be better off out
Crazy
But the South African guy was just racist- he said because he "can't see any 'British' people" when he in London

I read that the pound sterling fell to levels as low as 1986 levels. A truly interesting time is ahead for the entire world. Whether it is sad will remain to be seen.

Oh, it seems like it will take a couple of years before this takes effect.

Well this could start a trend.
When one of the most powerful economic unions has something like this, it spells trouble for other unions around the world.

Caricom is already being questioned.

Don't even start talking about Trump's plans.

Interesting times ahead.

In reply to NineMiles

Blame Cameron

In reply to NineMiles

Now you guys will be able to abandon the metric system and join your American cousins in using understandable measurements again.

After the wailing and gnashing of teeth life will go on.

In reply to Commie

It did after 9/11, so...

In reply to Halliwell

That's the thing--the older immigrants resent these new EU immigrants and ended up voting with the right wing xenophobes.

In reply to JOJO

and when there are no more eastern Europeans the anger will return to the commonwealth immigrants.

In reply to JOJO

That's the irony Caribbean immigrants wanting to keep out newer immigrants. Looks like Trump could have a constituency here.

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

Apples and oranges, mate

In reply to sudden

Really?

Farage admits mistake of major campaign slogan

Looks like fear is de key in de ballot dese days

In reply to sudden

It's the same thing--people wanting someone to blame for their lot in life. So they blame foreigners---immigrants and globalization. That largely explains the popularity of BOTH Trump and Sanders.

pound taking a beating over in FX market.

I dont think people understand what the issue is.

Its one thing to be xenophobic. All nations have populations who are. The Trinis and Jamaicans on here who complain about one nationality or the other are no less xenophobic. The reaction to Haitians is testament to that.

Its another thing to turn over your border security to people you dont trust.

In the US, the US government had to step back from the contract granted for NY Ports to Dubai Ports because of the furore it caused. And that was a private contractor !

The Leave EU wanted their border security back to be able to decide which nationalities they want to bring in or not. They also wanted to scale back their financial contributions to the EU so they were not propping up economies who were joining the EU to get the financial support from the big 4.

They now get leverage.

The biggest other gamechanger for me is the likely focus on economies and not the expansionist one group view which is leading to meddling in Ukraine and other jurisdictions as the EU sought to flex its muscle.

The problem with people who think of the EU is that they largely cannot tell you how it benefits them. Britain was the Caribbeans proxy in the EU so that will definitely kill grant funding, but anyone who deals with the EU will tell you of the unbelievable red tape and also the cannibalising of the EU funds in the Caribbean by EU consultancies who suck up much of the money destined for projects.

Push come to shove a snake can be compared with snot but it doesn't mean it's a genuine comparison.

When WIndians went to London they were invited to do so because Eng was looking to rebuild and looking for workers after the devastation of WW2. The benefit system was not in place yet and WIndians struggled socially and financially until they carved or were allowed to carve out a place for themselves.

Eastern Europeans under the EU can come to Britain and get housing and other benefits just so. Is there a wonder that there is resentment from all Brits? Comparing the two is like saying Michael is the same as Woody

In reply to sudden

Are we forgetting how Enoch Powell felt about black Caribbean immigrants in the sixties?

In reply to Commie

The arguments that you just put forward is precisely the kind of misinformation that has now placed the UK in the current situation.

The bit quoted above is a spectacular example of this kind of damaging misinformation. How does the management of the business activities of a port translate into turning over border security?

In reply to sudden

Let us remember that it was the EU, namely Germany in cahoots with the Chiquita Clintons who destroyed the OECS banana subsidies which were again, driven by the UK relationship with its former colonies./

Why exactly should Caribbean people side with being in the EU ?

Has anyone even looked at the EPA ? Do any of you black brits own European property and companies ?

In reply to JOJO

I am likening the FACT that the US government stepped back from giving the contract to Dubai Ports because of concerns on National Security that were raised in Congress.

Yet you all want to poo poo the FACT that the EU having domain over British border security should be of some concern for them.

Remember

Result

In reply to Commie

Yeah. Disregard all the other potential benefits because... bananas.

Blame the EU for the fact that our leaders did not do their jobs to prepare their countries for a changing global economy. Interesting that you mentioned Clinton--and not the US or the NAFTA countries.

In reply to Commie

It was the politicians preying on the fears of the population. A fear of Arabs. A fear of Islam. This had absolutely nothing to do with border security. Border securit was not being handed over to anybody.

In reply to JOJO

What other benefits ?

The EU subsidises its own farmers. The Germans in particular gained little in the decreased price for bananas that compensated for destroying those small island economies.

And yes I mention Clinton because it was Clinton who was lobbied heavily by Chiquita and were handsomely paid to push this through.

The irony of all of this is that later on, Eric Holder, who became AG, defended Chiquita from the accusation that they funded death squads in South America who killled near 4000 labour activists who were agitating for higher labour costs for...drumroll.......farmers, primarily farming.......drumroll. Bananas.

Since then of course we have had the FATF attacks on the Caribbean and now FATCA / CRS which of course everyone but the US has signed

Look, might is right, but dont get on like this 'changing global economy' is about anything than exploitation.

Its the same story with a different branding.

In reply to JOJO

Why are we going in circles on this. This happened under Bush didnt it ? For what its worth there was bi partisan opposition to the deal INCLUDING FROM SENATOR OBAMA.

Reality Check

I am saying that to get on as if this is new or that the British are brainwashed is simplistic.

Cameron resigns..

WTF...

In reply to Commie

You citing Obama and everybody else, which just strengthens my point. It is much easier to market fear (especially fear of outsiders) than to explain the intricate facts. All politicians do that -- Obama is no different.

In reply to JOJO

He became President didnt he ?

You support him and chaybay Chuckie Hilary dont you ?

At the end of the day, neither change of president or britain leaving the EU will have a material effect on many peoples lives.

So you are dealing with Perception and fear mongering. On all sides.

If thats how you want to play it.

In reply to Commie

No it won't. The moon will turn red and the stars will fall from the sky all because of the voters of some island off the east coast of Ireland.

In reply to JOJO

of course the Brexit electioneering mixed facts with fiction but Brits never trusted Europe in the first place. whilst Britain maybe in European Brits always saw themselves as global and believed that being anchored to continental Europe bogged them down.

Farage and the other Brexit crowd played into certain fears by saying inter alia that money Britain sends to the EU will be used for the NHS which is highly unlikely and he has now walked back such claims but it is true that Eastern Europeans can appear in Britain and get housing and other benefits. and with Turkey's entry soon there is the real possibility of over 200k Turks entering Britain.

In reply to sudden

The biggest win for both parties is that the currency union cannot go on with one of its strongest contributors refusing to join it.

Even most remain people dont want to drop the pound for the euro.

This half in half out business hurts both the EU and the UK.

The EU currency will continue to get screwed because of member collapses. Britain voted to avoid this as much as possible. Norway has proven you can be outside the EU and trade and function fine with Europe.

In reply to sudden

Oh btw...

Scott Adams latest

In reply to Commie

Norway?

Trade and function fine?

In reply to JOJO

The U.K. Is the fourth largest economy in the world.

It will have a different set of problems from Norway and one won't be having clout at the trade table.

In reply to Commie

5th and falling!

In reply to camos

The Brits will be fine.

In reply to Commie

Actually it is 5th--and the difference between 4th and 5th is not trivial.

But to the bigger point--your argument that the UK will be fine because of the size of its economy goes against the economic thinking and analysis of many...including the Bank of England.

In fact, it s the typical xenophobic argument that we often hear repeated even in the Caribbean: St. Lucia re the OECS; Jamaica/Trinidad re CARICOM.

In reply to JOJO

You realise that the UK is the EUs biggest customer ? More than China and the US even. You really think the EU wants to harm its own pocket ?

The EU share of global GDP is falling not rising and the UK is projected to be the biggest economy in 'Europe' in less than 15 years time.

The Brits will be fine.

In reply to Commie

Trading deals takes years to rewrite, but when that is done the UK agreement will mirror what the Swiss has with the EU, essentially adopting EU regulations and laws in order to trade.

The UK is the seventh largest trading partner with the US. I can see NA and UK trade growing in the near term.

In reply to Commie

How quickly we forget the Axis of evil

Lost in the shuffle is the fact that
the Republican Nominee for the Presidency of the United States is in glee because the British currency is going to be much lower than the US dollar .

This he stated will mean that more American Golfers will be able to go
to his Golfer Club in Scotland . This
tangibly demonstrates that Trump is
only concerned about his Interest .

He is not interested in the welfare of the plight of people in England ,
and was blithely ignorant & insensitive to the fact that most
of the people in Scotland voted for England to remain in the European Union .

In reply to XFactor

And so will the UK will continue to send Money to the EU, (the £350m that the brexiters were talking about) but will have no further say in the rules and regulations of such trade. That is very STUPID arrangement in my view.

Already the mayor of Calais is suggesting the UK border based in Calais be moved to the UK mainland. the effect of this will be lots of immigrants camped at the ports of Dover, Portsmouth etc.

The Welsh especially are the STUPIDEST of the lot for voting to leave. No other part of the UK has relied on EU funds for construction and development as the Wales have and yet they've voted Brexit due to ignorance.

The impact for the UK in the coming months and years are;
- Lots of uncertainty for business
- Risk of another recession - There will be substantial costs on the UK economy as trade with it's main customer is affected.
- Increased Unemployment - a lot of jobs relies on trade with the EU. There will be substantial costs on the UK economy and would be a very risky gamble.
- No guarantees immigration will be reduced.
- A lot of jobs relies on immigrants e.g the National Health Services.
- Political turmoil - already Cameron is leaving, there is going to be a challenge to Jeremy Corbyn's leadership of the Labour Party. The Scots are likely to have another referendum which will result in the break-up of the UK.

One country that's going to benefit from this are the Irish as a lot of businesses relocate to Dublin in order to have easier dealings with Continental Europe.

In reply to Commie

even before the consolidation of the EU London was the choice for banking and financial transactions for financiers across Europe. why will that change? this too shall pass. blip on the radar really. Eng will trudge on.

In reply to NineMiles

actually was surprised by the Welsh vote when both major parties in Wales are EU minded

In reply to sudden

The world has changed padner. Now HK, Singapore, Shanghai, Frankfurt are great competitors.

London strength asa financial market was greatly boosted by it's membership of the EU. It allowed investment from all round the world in come to the London market so they can have access to the European market. This advantage will be lost now!

In reply to NineMiles

And for the tax savings that the Irish offers companies.

Yes, for all the reasons you mentioned, lots of pain ahead for the UK.

In reply to XFactor

nonsense. businesses are relocating from Ireland

In reply to NineMiles

Not according to them. "Let's Make America (Britain) Great Again!" You can see this desire in the age breakdown of the vote.

18-24: 75%. Remain
25-49: 56% Remain
50-64: 44% Remain
65+: 39% Remain

In reply to JOJO

so? people vote according to their world view

In reply to sudden

...and that world view may not be rational.

In reply to JOJO

correct but it is what it is. you seem to what to compare the Brit situation with the US and whilst on the surface there may be some parallel, it is not exactly that same. i will not go into details because they have been trashed out in this thread and others.

suffice it to say, the people have voted and they voted to leave the EU.

In reply to sudden


A favourable tax system

In reply to JOJO

Yep, the older generation were not thinking about their children and grandchildren. The irony is that, when the end up in the nursing homes in their final days, the people likely to be looking after them are immigrants, both EU and non-EU.

In reply to XFactor

you see the year? i know companies that have since re domiciled.

In reply to sudden

Never mind the year. A few may leave but the trend line is still intact.

In reply to sudden

Who said that is was? However, the underlying sentiments are similar -- a fear of foreigners; a sense that they are losing their identity; a desire to 'take back their country'.

In reply to JOJO

even so, what is irrational about such fears especially in the UK where Eastern Europeans could appear and get housing and benefits?

In reply to NineMiles

I'm surprised at your panic.

There is a lot of fearmongering going on especially at the top level.

The reality is both the EU and the U.K. Will be likelier better off for it and the rest of the world will hopefully get a break from an expansionist increasingly militaristic EU.

most of you would not give up the pound to take on the eu as your national currency so all this has done is fast forwarded the inevitable because that would be the next boundary point.

In reply to Commie

I don't think you truly understand the implications of this vote. As someone said last night, it is seismic!

Perhaps when your investments in the UK starts to free fall you'll then get it !!

In reply to sudden

Perfect example. Interesting you highlight this one.

Time to go watch some cricket and forget this shit for a while!

In reply to JOJO

Ok what is so irrational about a citizen of a country being concerned that an outsider can arrive in his her country and be entitled to benefits?

In reply to NineMiles

Shorting the British Pound was a great trade today.

In reply to sudden

Just one thing before I go. The idea that immigrants come to the UK mainly for benefits is the biggest lie ever told.

They come here to work and contribute more to the economy than take out.

Anyway, that idiot Cameron even agreed with the EU to change the rules so that no EU immigrant will be entitled to benefits for the first 4 YEARS.

Please people, know the facts first before spewing them here... don't believe in the fear and the hatred that the Brexiters were preaching!

In reply to NineMiles

Why would my investments fall ?

Property prices need a correction and some of my other investments will actually benefit from a weaker pound

People are afraid because they've been told the sky will fall in.

Kind of like Year 2000. You will be fine when you realize the world didn't end.

In reply to XFactor

you can short anything British for the next year and make mad money!

In reply to Commie

So that's why you're happy...a falling pound suits you.

It doesn't suit people who endure a devaluation. Food prices will go up shortly. A slowly declining pound over the past few months has already seen some creeping price increases. I went to the supermarket today, and the price of pears, citrus and apples have gone up compared to this time last month, while I used to get seven bananas for a pound, but now the bag only has five bananas.

We expect more price increases in the supermarket soon, thanks to the falling pound. I'm just pleased I was able to convert some of my savings into Jamaican dollars before this serious drop in the pound overnight.

The Bank of England has had to promise to plough in £250 billion to stop the slide, and now the government has no hope of selling off the Royal Bank of Scotland and Lloyds Bank, because they won't be able to find a buyer any more. The next Budget will be tough....

I'm just thankful that for the time being most of our income comes from the Jamaican government, and that a declining pound makes it cheaper for the Jamaican govt to pay us. But the money will buy us less as the price increases come into effect next month.

I know of people who've been informed that due to the pull-out from Europe, their companies are unlikely to survive two years, and they expect to close, so they need to join the job-hunters. I'm relieved I'm not in their shoes....

In reply to JOJO

Dropped below France to 6th on the basis of the overnight drop in £sterling.

In reply to Ayjaeghi

No it hasn't.

More fear mongering

In reply to Commie

Of course it is more fear mongering, like almost all the rhetoric concerning the UK and EU over the last year... measuring the absolute size of economies is like trying to compare the volume of 2 different clouds in the sky from a single position on the ground. And about as useful.

What is not in dispute, is that leaving the EU will be a very expensive process, in real terms and the opportunity cost it represents.

The biggest noticeable change since the Brexit decision was taken has been the remarkable improvement in the weather across the Southeast over the course of the week!
There's gonna be a whole lot more spurious attribution of that ilk, to come in the future.

First they came for the Poles....

In reply to mikesiva

Watching the BBC Newsnight programme last night and the pro-Brexit MEP Daniel Hannan barefaced telling viewers that Brexit will not end free movement of Labour.
WTF, their whole campaign was about reducing immigration.
When the voters for Brexit come to realise they've been conned, it's going bloody!

An alternative to Brexit...ProgrExit

In reply to Ayjaeghi

Agreed.

People have to focus on opportunities and the future.

At worst the UK will now be in a negotiating position where it can remove the things it doesn't like and keep those it does.

It is the EU largest trading partner. There is leverage.

Everything else is just panicked posturing.

In reply to Commie

You really think the EU will allow the UK to pick and choose the bits they like?
Will never happen else other EU countries will try the same which will lead to the break-up of the EU project.
Germany, France, Italy are already talking tough... remember these are 3 of the founding members of the EU.

Tough tough negotiations ahead and it's one country versus 27 others... and Nicola Sturgeon will be part of the UK representative negotiating the new deal. Lil England (and the stupid Welsh) haven't got a chance!

In reply to NineMiles


the Brits now saying oops! did I just do that?

In reply to camos

Yeah... some are going around saying had they known their votes was going to count they would have voted Remain. I mean seriously ??

In reply to NineMiles

amazing how widespread that it.

In reply to NineMiles

Foreigners who do not have what it takes to build a great country are flooding the UK, USA, France etc.
The people have a right to take back their country and return to prosperity. Why allow people who hate and grudge you into your country?

In reply to nitro

In case you've forgotten, America was built on the blood and toil of immigrants... every kind of immigrant.

This could be the next Prime Minister of Great Britain - a Liar and a Conman

In reply to NineMiles

What does it matter ?

You aren't a Tory are you ?

Again, the UK is the LARGEST trading partner of the EU. Let that sink in. Larger than China and the US.

Do you really think a union that subsists more than half of its membership is going to piss off its largest trading partner ?

The other thing is that Britain ISNT leaving the common market. It is leaving Brussels and its bureaucracy. Britain never accepted the EURo, never accepted Schengen or even the metric system, amongst a host of other things that hamstrung a truly integrated Europe. That is why it was so attractive as a destination for Europeans who lost confidence in Europe.

For me its a buying opportunity in the short term but the inevitable long term result will be a stronger Britain and a more unified Europe. For the first time all of its full members will have a common currency and common platform for trade deals.

In reply to Commie

You keep on harping on about the UK being the EU's biggest trading partner but what you are failing to understand is that all that could change post Brexit.
The number one trade the UK has is financial services... it attracts investments from all round the world, the US and Asia in particular with the main purpose of trading in a tariff free zone within the EU. All this could be in jeopardy.
There is no way the UK will be allowed to receive preferential arrangements as the other EU states would. Otherwise, other states will also wish to exit and get the same deals.

You can sit there in little Dominica thinking you know all that is going on in the UK because of properties and business you have here. Listen Commie, you are clueless about what is happening here my friend!

In reply to Commie

You continue to latch onto the flimsy explanations put forward by Nigel Farrage and the rest.

By leaving the EU the uk is leaving the common market. Now the UK may negotiate for continued access to the common market after it has left the EU, but that would also mean free movement of labor--one of the selling points of the leave campaign.

The size of the EU exports to the UK is no going to be a major negotiating factor in favor of the U.K. There are many factors that determine trade (including proximity) and the fact is, the U.K. will remain dependent on the eu in terms of its exports of services.

In reply to NineMiles

Ninesy. I am in the UK every month for the last 8 months at least. So perish your thoughts. As a non dom (i.e. non tax resident) investor I have a keen interest in the state of the UK economy.

Secondly you are in lefty liberal panic mode. London is one of the top two financial centres in the world and that isn't changing.

As for tariff free, why would it change significantly ?

Norway and EU facts

You are panicking over fuck all.

In reply to Commie

Yeah. Tell that to the Bank of England, the economist intelligence unit, the US Treasury, the ECB, ALL the major international financial institutions, the financial institutions operating out of London,....

There is a reason why the value of the pound dropped so rapidly and stock markets were in a tailspin. Those with skin in the game were actually panicking over fuck all.

You getting on like the typical climate change denier. Ignore the facts, ignore the expert opinions of the ones responsible for analyzing the issues and just go along based on anecdotes and gut feelings.

In reply to Commie

You are clearly looking at this for personal interest point of view... quick financial gain and then move on? Don't know what kinda business you're in. Perhaps EU regulations hampers your business ambitions.

Norway still have to pay into the EU - remember the £350m crap the Brexiters were lying about?
Norway also have to abide by the rules of free movement of people. This is one area the Brexiters campaigned on to get rid off.

Commie, I know you. we've been on these boards for 15/16 years now. You are always sure of yourself... arrogantly sometimes and think you are always right.

We are going round and round in circles... lets just agree to disagree but brother when the shit hits the fan, don't come crying about your losses. I probably wouldn't be here either!

In reply to JOJO

Who says it is gut feelings ?

There are as many economists and think tanks who are optimistic long term for the prospects for a stronger British economy as there are not.

The core issue is that the single currency is a huge disbenefit because there is no single fiscal policy as in the US. Spain and Greece still feature over 20 percent unemployment after the 2008 crisis and the next crisis will be even worse. In the US, a crisis in one state can be buffered by raising taxes in another. Europe has no such ability.

Greece and Spain would have used devaluations to kickstart their economies but as they were stuck in the euro straitjacket, they had to wait for the European Central Bank to provide help instead. And the central Bank was so obsessed with keeping inflation low that it never provided the help Greece and Spain needed. You know what they did ? Raise interest rates. Guess what that did. Deepened the recession and created a prolonged debt crisis.

In reply to NineMiles

I am a contrarian with most issues. I also enjoy angling it in a particular way. People tend to take these forums too seriously but when I tell you that I think long term the Uk will be fine, I mean it.

I sat in meetings in 98-99 watching competent professionals telling me I should head for the hills because satellites were going to fall from the sky and humanity as we knew it would end because of Year2k. I watched a very large UK org actually compromise its entire data strategy because of this and up to now most of us are under NDA never to talk about how they screwed up so royally that they actually damned their clients.

I was dumbfounded at how the herd panics in unison and how logic gets translated as being unrealistic.

I am no more. Its happened again and again.

The small minded emotional arguments on both sides will continue until sanity re-emerges.

In reply to Commie

Dude...a this point, you just throwing stuff together and confusing a whole bunch of issues. I won't even attempt to disentangle and explain them.

One more thing: having a national central bank does not guarantee that Greece or Spain would have chosen devaluation.

In reply to JOJO

Let it all play out. There will be more than enough actions and reactions over the next few months to guide what happens next.

Then you can explain everything.

I see GB mashing up too,geopolitical history in the making..

In reply to bravos

Think we should all start campaigning for the break-up of the remnants of Great Britannia....the Commonwealth.

In reply to NineMiles

What you talking bout Ninesy!! Unthinkable!!

Panic Panic Panic.

Can you all remember when Hong Kong was being returned to the Chinese ?

Similar panic. What actually happened ? The Chinese didn't repress HK and turn it into a gulag.

Its same free market system, same vibe.

In reply to Commie

Remember that well while in the UK,Hong-Kongese were viewing that date as Armageddon,was almost sorry for them...

I remember the Hong Kong handover very well too...not the way you two do.

It was a well handled transfer of power with guarantees sort and agreed with Beijing.
Chris Patten, the last governor did a great job.

The U.K.'s credit rating downgraded to negative

but don't panic...even though there are a lot of uncertainties and lack of confidence.

In reply to bravos

The western media is at it again re Brexit...the sky is falling...woe to Britaon...crisis and failure. The EU and Nato have for decades,been proxy for the great empire. Post Gorbachev it has bern a convrnient tool for advancing eastwards onto Russias doorstep contrary to the agreement made before the Soviet dissolution. Recent deploymeny of us controlled missile base in Romania is continued evidence.

The withdrawal of UK could and has already created a ripple effect in Italy, francr and the Netherlands, where similar calls are being echoed. Thus the vehement wailing of the western media sgainst UK exit.

Many in Europe are fed up of a bunch of unelected suits in Brussels dictsting theor daily lives. It is also not difficult to perceive that their agenda could easily become highjackrd by othet globalist intrrest. Simple case....remember when caribbean bananas got shafted from the EU....and who benefited.
Most likely the poorer..small economirs will resist leaving the EU...but i see the larger powers seriously considering a similar refrtendum in the future.

...addendum....

I took a look at the thread and the above post that I placed....lots of data has been edited out. I'm surprised that a big brother exists on CC...and wondering what is/was sensitive in my content. Im just musing, not interested in avy battle, because the rum shop owner already said ...he dont give a shyte....

In reply to NineMiles

"In a clear reflection of the growing backlash north of the Border to Thursday’s Brexit result, a new survey for The Sunday Post shows that 59% of Scots now back leaving the UK. The poll was carried out just hours after the EU result was confirmed and offers a boost to First Minister Nicola Sturgeon who has dramatically put the prospect of another independence vote back on the table."

Are you ready to apply for Scottish citizenship?

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There are liars and then there’s Boris Johnson and Michael Gove

In reply to mikesiva

That's definitely an option
Let's see how things develop in the next couple of years. My daughter is so upset she wants get away from the country altogether, and I've been trying to calm her down.

In reply to Halliwell

Today, my gardener, who is a jolly, white, English cockney type, came to work on the garden. He asked me to pay him in euros or US dollars instead of pounds!

In reply to mikesiva

The pound has a way brighter future than the euro.

Short term fear mongering won't change that.

In reply to Commie

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base on? UK has a huge current account deficit which will be harder to finance as a non member of the EU!

DEBT OF OVER 200% of GDP.

In reply to camos

And ?

You think it would get better being locked into subsisting future eurozone collapses ? Have you looked at the CAD of the Eurozone countries ?

There will likely be a recession ( there was one coming anyway), house prices are inflated, and assets are overvalued. everywhere.

The UK will feel pain because it has been locked into this for a long time, but hopefully rather than these countries going into expensive expansionist wars and meddling in other countries border affairs they will now focus on their people.

If anyone thinks the European countries will try to undermine the largest market for their goods you all don't understand the pragmatism of business.

I normally disagree with Tony Blair but he gave a great analogy this morning.

You've been given a choice. Sell your current home and buy another some distance away. You are not allowed to see the new house, just rely on two survey reports, one good and the other poor i.e. damp, rot, infested etc...

What do you do?

In reply to johndom90

Spot on bro!!!!

In reply to NineMiles

Simple and blunt.....

In reply to NineMiles

Man stop whining and get on with it. You have a country to build.

Prescient from last year

The UK is falling apart...

In reply to bravos

I voted for Corbyn in the Labour Leadership elections last time but will be voting for someone else next time.

Corbyn hasn't provided the leadership we expected. He's just a protest campaigner.
Who to vote for next I haven't got the foggiest.
Let's see which names come up.

In reply to bravos

dis done!

In reply to jcveletta

Who would've predicted this even a couple weeks ago..

In reply to NineMiles

I'm still supporting Corbyn....

Mind, I'm not a member of the Labour Party, but I will be voting Labour as long as Corbyn's the leader.

But Britain has other problems....

"The value of the pound slipped almost 2 per cent on Monday morning as the EU referendum result reverberated around global markets."

The pound continues to slide

In reply to mikesiva

Well, the Labour Party is in danger of disintegration and Corbyn needs to do the right thing to save it.

The Deputy Chairman, Tom Watson asked him to commit harikiri but he is prepared to fight it out.

I don't think Corbyn will get as much grassroots support as he did last time.

In reply to NineMiles

yep..

In reply to NineMiles and bravos

Don't believe the hype...the right-wing British media and the Blairites oppose Corbyn's socialist policies, and they're united in their agenda to get rid of him.

Lest we forget, the Corbyn-led Labour Party got most votes at the local elections last month, and they'd increased Labour's vote share from last year's general election loss by Ed Milliband.

At the end of the week, Corbyn will be left standing with a new, younger team around him, strengthened by their support for his socialist policies. The Blairite MPs don't represent Labour's support.

Public support for Corbyn has reached over 200,000 so far

Y'all still panicking???

As I recall England first split from Europe a few centuries ago when ole Henry VIII told the then EU and Brussels in the form of the Pope and Vatican to fact off. A few beheadings notwithstanding they made out just fine.

In reply to JohnDoe

and a few colonies

In reply to mikesiva

the irony is that Corbyn may not have voted to remain

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In reply to sudden

Corbyn has always been a Euro sceptic.... hes not fooling anyone!

Mikey, This is NOT a matter of Corbynites vs Blairites. Corbyn has had a chance for nearly a year to prove his leadership qualities. Sorry, but he's failed abjectly!

On one of the biggest issues of our time, he failed the Labour Party and the country.

We need someone from the middle who can unite the party.... I'm waiting for the candidate names to come out.

In reply to NineMiles

Everyone has it wrong. The people will be fine, it's a bad thing for the banking elite and the oligarchs who have been ripping off the people for so long. The Brits did the best thing they could do, stand up and vote sending a message to the bankers they are taking their country back

In reply to terminator

Yep, it's started.... they want their country back

Post-Brexit racist abuse

Watching the news, an Asian person in Hounslow was crying about the fear of racial attacks... He voted out!

I say serves him bloody right!

In reply to NineMiles and sudden

Has Corbyn failed abjectly? The Labour Party got more votes than the Tories in the local elections last month. A Labour Party led by Corbyn has already improved the vote share on Ed Milliband's general election loss last year. He's reconnected Labour with its traditional support. That's why I've gone back to voting Labour. I could never support a Labour Party with a Blairite in charge, and if they replaced Corbyn, I would never vote Labour again. There are a lot of people who feel like me.

In any case, the Blairites don't have a chance with their candidate, even with your support Ninesy. The rank and file support Corbyn, as witnessed by the 10,000 who marched on Parliament, organised in just a few hours. Cameron and the Blairites can only dream of such pull and people power....

"Thousands of people have marched on Parliament Square to express support for Jeremy Corbyn. The event took place during a Parliamentary Labour Party meeting that included a vote on a no confidence motion against the Labour Party leader. Following the meeting, Mr Corbyn came from inside the Houses of Parliament to address the crowd, which protestors said consisted of up to 10,000 people."

Whoever finally grows a pair of balls and runs against Corbyn is going to get crushed

Any news yet Ninesy as to who that's going to be?

As for how Corbyn voted, that's just the usual Tory/Blairite propaganda, perpetuated by a right-wing press.

He's already denied it.

In any case, your vote is supposed to be private...that's what our democracy is supposed to be built on. But living in the UK these past 15 years have shown me that Britain's commitment to democracy is only skin-deep.

Now, the Vote Leave campaign has removed all their promises from their website, because their leaders have back-tracked on so many of them!

The fools who voted Leave could not see that they were taken for a ride

"The official Leave campaign has wiped almost its entire website from the internet. The site – which previously included the suggestion that the EU budget would be sent back to the NHS and included promises about trade deals – now just has a message thanking supporters. The promises of Leave campaigners have come under scrutiny since the UK voted on Thursday, with leading politicians walking back promises over immigration control, NHS spending and the speed that Brexit will be undertaken."

In reply to mikesiva

Can you honestly put your hand on heart and say a Corbyn led Labour party will win a general election?

I repeat, in one of the most important issues to face the UK in recent years, Corbyn did not show leadership. He failed the nation!
Corbyn is no national leader, he's just a protest group leader.

Corbyn office 'sabotaged' EU Remain campaign

Most of the people protesting in support of Corbyn outside parliament yesterday are not real Labour members... they are the far left like the socialist workers party, Revolutionary communists etc.

There are several Labour MP who are neither Corbynites nor Blairites. This party need needs healing and I'm certain we can find the right person!

In reply to NineMiles

You don't know who the demonstrators were. You weren't there. I know some of them who were there, and they're Labour Party members who voted for Corbyn a year ago. But Blairites don't let facts interfere with their agenda....

Yes, I do think he can win...but he first needs to be given a chance. He has earned the right to lead Labour into the next General Election. The problem is that the British establishment don't want to give the working classes and the youth to elect a party that represents them.

Obviously, the British establishment is scared of giving him a chance. They know that their candidate has no chance of beating Corbyn in a fair contest, so they're trying to bar Corbyn from running, thus depriving him of his working class and youth support:

Is this what you Labour Party members call democracy?

This is just one of the reasons why I see Britain as a hypocritical country...you only like democracy when it suits you.

In reply to mikesiva

Corbyn can't even fill up all of the shadow cabinet. He may have grassroots support which is dwindling by the hour...it's one thing having grassroots but if you can't command the support of your troops on the battle front, it's time to make way.

The future of the Labour party is at stake...does Corbyn cherish his own personal ambitiond more than the party and the country?

In reply to NineMiles

Well, there's one way to test that...tell one of your cowardly Blairite friends to stop stabbing him in the back, and actually show the guts to challenge him to an open contest in front of the membership.

An excellent article on the appeal of Corbyn:

This week, sections of the Parliamentary Labour Party, our elected representatives, are attempting to undemocratically oust Jeremy Corbyn, who received a historic mandate not ten months ago and has seen the Party membership double since. But, this isn't really about Jeremy Corbyn, as I'm sure he would agree. It's about much more than that.

It's about the crisis at the very heart of how we do politics, or more aptly, how politics is done to almost all of us.

For the past 35 years or more, neo-liberalism and free market fundamentalism have shaped our politics. In this system, power and wealth flow to and concentrates at the top. For the majority of us, it's not even clear who has power, or where it is held. All we know is that there is very little we can do to exercise any of it in our own lives. Whether it is zero hour contracts, spiralling rent or soaring utility bills, it's not us who are calling the shots. And what is more, the electorate have never been asked if this is what they want or not, of course, but it's certainly what they've got.

During this time, the Labour Party has not countered free market ideology enough. It has been too weak in challenging our disempowerment. A growing wedge has been driven between the Westminster Labour Party and our movements’ grassroots. This weakness has led many Labour MPs to be seen as the nicer part of the establishment, rather than being the empowering force for the overwhelming majority that we need.

Add six years of bruising, Tory austerity on top of all that, and now we're at breaking point. The backlash has taken many forms: the SNP, UKIP, Brexit, Corbyn.

Jeremy Corbyn's leadership campaign was a break on “business as usual”, Westminster politics. It tapped into, and inspired, a movement for social justice, a movement for a more equal and decent society and a movement to give ordinary people more power in their own lives. That energy now lives on in Momentum and was seen in Parliament Square last night, where, with just 24 hours’ notice, 10,000 gathered to give Jeremy a vote of confidence.

So, what do the so-called “coup plotters” think is going to happen? That flying in the face of the membership, they can take an unaccountable, illegitimate ballot, replace Jeremy with someone in a smarter suit, and we, the electorate, breathe a heavy sigh of relief that everything has returned to the good old days of May 2015 when we lost the general election badly? And what about the traditional, working class support base who Corbyn is “failing to speak to” despite huge numbers turning out to hear him speak in traditional working class towns? Will they suddenly, after years of structural disempowerment, realise that actually do feel represented and empowered in the political process after all?'

More here

In reply to mikesiva

Mikey Mikey Mikey, you still don't get it. The Labour Party is not simply made up of Blairites and Corbynites. 172 against 40. I repeat, 172 v 40.

You think all 172 are Blairites?? I don't think you really understand the Labour Party... you are a Corbynite, not a Labourite!

As I mentioned earlier, I voted for Corbyn in the last Leadership elections.... he's lost my vote because of his failure to LEAD!

This has now become a vanity affair for him.... he needs to put the party first and not himself.

Corbyn has to go if he wants the party to survive!!

In reply to mikesiva


you are giving that joker ninesy more time than he deserves .

like most tottenham supporters he is a champagne socialist incidentally thats where Woy went wrong, he stuffed his team with too many tottering losers


The Blairites and their friends in the media want to get rid of Corbyn before the Chilcot report comes out.


What's left of Blair's reputation will be consigned to the dustbin of history , wouldn't be too surprised to see him behind glass at the Hague


As for that Slimy Toad Benn he owes the legacy of his father a principled man ,for his place in politics .

He will always be remembered as the knife carrier the Brutus to Corbyn's Julius Caesar he did that when he voted to support the bombing of Syria


A weasel in a suit look at how he sat on Corbyn at the end of his betrayal to huge cheers from the odious Tories

In reply to ponderiver


You pondie a socialist?? hahahahahah....... don't make me laugh!
You who comes here boasting about living by the Thames and a near neighbour of the queen? You hypocritical skunt!!

You probably live in a borough than voted for Farage's Leave... hell, you probably voted leave yourself.

Seriously, don't discuss the Labour Party with me, you hear... you clueless Jerri Curled Skunt !!

In reply to mikesiva

tell that to the Ninesy boy

how can any Socialist man of the people have any cred by being a diehard Tottenham supporter the team of Alan Sugar and the zionistas..... I make no apologies.

At least Corbyn had the decency to support a people's team Arsenal and he once lived in the Yaad..... yes that counts

He is not a socialist he is a waggonist who pines for the return of Blair and George

In reply to NineMiles

you nailed pretentious Pondscum with jherri curls to boot

In reply to sudden

you voted to leave so you can fork off and tek yuh souse wid yuh !!!

In reply to ponderiver

yes, i was v forthright about it too but you, no one knows exactly how you voted...just like Corbyn

In reply to sudden

LOL...PondieSkunt ent fooling no one... a pretentious git as you say!

In reply to NineMiles

To think I am paying for the NHS which rescued you

Yuh Ungrateful champagne socialist skunt.

Corbyn is for saving the NHS hug that up

In reply to ponderiver

I pay for the NHS and have done so all my life and so do members of my family...indeed a few of my family currently work in the NHS.

Stop the pretense Pondie, you are no Corbynite... yuh just jumping on the bandwagon... sorry but you've come too late! He had a chance and failed to show leadership.

Let me break it to you, Corbyn can't save the NHS if he can't win the election. What we need is a Labour Leader with PM material to save our NHS, bring many more people out of poverty and make this country a fairer and just society to live in... not pretentious gits like you who boast about living near the Queen.

Go join Farage and his UKIP/Leave band.... you facking TRAITOR!!

In reply to NineMiles

Champagne socialist
Dodgy Dave's mate quit the pretence
At least big belly Sudden was man enough to admit he is in the Farage camp

Traitors people like you trying to remove the democratically elected leader because yuh don't like the colour of his suit

Leh me guess is it because Corbyn is a Yaadie

Pure gold this.

The viewer wins

In reply to ponderiver

Shame on you... you are the one pretending here old boy. Voting Leave along with Farage.

You think your mates in the Leave camp care about you?

First they stop the Eastern Europeans coming in, then they'll turn their attention to Muslims, then it's a toss between black and asian people.
Stop deluding yourself Pondie.... you can't be one of them as much as you try to. They will turn on you soon, you dumbass Jerri Curled Pretentious Git!!

In reply to Commie

Knew you'd love this!

Honestly, this Pondie chap is one stuck up pretentious twat!

In reply to NineMiles

Has he said how he voted yet? Maybe he cant decide?

In reply to sudden

Pondie can't bring himself to admit he voted Leave... instead, he's hiding behind a late and about to crash Corbyn wagon!

In reply to NineMiles

maybe he wants a do over?

In reply to sudden

Yeah... Pondie is one of those ignorant dumbasses who didn't realise what they were voting on!

He's been used and abused by Farage!

In reply to NineMiles

Oh dear you and Sudden tag teaming to attempt to ridicule me
All the while sounding like two donkeys trying to give each other directions.

Commie for the most part just enjoys fanning the flames



In your neck of the woods they call it shit stirring, of course you would need no introduction to that.

Get rid of Corbyn and make Britain Great ha ha ha

What a wus for believing that

In reply to ponderiver

Hold your horses pondie, no one is saying that. Pay attention and if you cared enough (read have enough sense) to read my exchanges with Mikey on the very thread, you'll know my position.
We voted for Corbyn last Autumn cos he wanted to bring a new kind of politics...sounded great. It reality, he showed up to be a weak leader and has since lost the trust of his own troops. Even Ed Milliband has come out against him and you can hardly call Ed a Blairite.

Saw Corbyn on the news this evening speaking to his flocks of Momentum. He spoke to them with passion and purpose...this was Corbyn fighting for his life, fighting for his Job. Why was this passion missing during the Brexit campaign? Is it because he didn't care for it? This was the biggest issue facing GB of our time and he let us down... he let the country down.


Labour is breaking apart and needs a new leader capable of uniting the party. It will not make Britain great but at least we'll have a better chance getting a Labour govt which will be damn well better than this austerity minded Tories.

Cameron fell on his sword immediately after the Brexit result...Corbyn's lieutenants have deserted him and he should to the right thing and go!

Okay pondie, you still not answering whether you voted remain or leave.... Don't be ashamed if you voted leave because that's what your heart and buddies (read Farage) told you! Only you have to start making arrangements when they come after you...they want their country back remember, they don't want no Jerry curled scum pon dem yard.

In reply to NineMiles

You go on following the British media, which is right-wing and pro-establishment.

So, what's happened to this leadership challenge? Who are you voting for instead of Corbyn? One moment it's Angela Eagle, the next moment she's not challenging him? Does any Blairite have the guts to challenge him?

And as for "fighting for his life", who need to get rid of the media fiction that the only people who matter in the Labour Party are the Blairite MPs. The party lives and dies on its membership:

"The majority of constituency Labour Party chiefs have said they will continue to offer their support to Jeremy Corbyn, and believe their constituents would re-elect him as leader, a survey has found. Out of 50 chairs and secretaries of local Labour parties who endorsed Corbyn last year, interviewed yesterday by BBC Newsnight, 90 per cent said that they would continue to offer their support to Jeremy Corbyn, despite the current Labour leader losing a vote of no confidence."

So, who exactly's going to beat him, now?

In reply to ponderiver

Quite right...a lot of rank and file socialist members of the Labour Party say they don't want to go back to the era of the "champagne socialist", including party members of West Indian origin.

I'm still waiting for Ninesy and his cohorts to say who exactly is going to dethrone Corbyn and replace him....

In reply to mikesiva

Labour Party Chiefs eh?? and all along you've been harping on about grassroots:

Lookie here Mikey, you and dat Farage loving pondie are on the wrong side of history... you are facking clueless about the Labour Party. I'm a Labour man while you are nothing more than a Corbyn groupie!

Now have a read at this:

Over 500 councillors tell Corbyn: time to step down

In reply to NineMiles

You really think a few hundred are going to make any difference against thousands of members?

If the pressure is so great on Corbyn, then why did your beloved Angela Eagle back down? And why has none of the cowardly, back-stabbing Blairites grown a pair of balls, and stepped forward to fill her shoes?

"At least 60,000 new people have joined the Labour party in the past week amid delays to Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership challenge. The figure, said to be one of the fastest increases in membership of any British political party in history, follows MPs’ attempt to launch a coup against the Labour leader....Former shadow business secretary Angela Eagle had been expected to launch her campaign to run as an alternative leader of the party on Wednesday. An afternoon press conference with Ms Eagle was postponed, however, giving hope to pro-Corbyn campaigners who have celebrated the shift in membership as a positive sign for the Labour leader."

A lot of these new members responded to calls from Corbyn supporters to come to his aid. Where are the supporters of your Blairites?

This is probably why Eagle has flown the coop

"Jeremy Corbyn would comfortably defeat any of the likely challengers against him in a Labour leadership contest, a new poll of party members suggests....Mr Corbyn would defeat Tom Watson by 50 points to 39, Angela Eagle by 50 points to 40, and Dan Jarvis by 52 points to 35, the poll says. The survey, commissioned by The Times newspaper, only includes full party member and not £3 supporters or trade unionists. In the 2015 leadership contest these groups were even more supportive of Mr Corbyn. Since then many £3 supporters have apparently since joined as members, however."

If the Labour party doesn't get rid of Corbyn its finished as a governing force. There is no point just being a party of perpetual protest.

In reply to mikesiva

Who said she backed down. Try and keep up Mikey! With Gove stabbing Boris dominating the news headlines it is better for Angela Eagle to make the announcement on a day when it will receive maximum coverage.

Personally, I'll like Corbyn to stay until the release of the Chilcot report next week. That will be fun. I know Corbyn will truly be in his element then and rightly ask for Blair to face trial at the Hague.



Mikey, yuh fool fool. They are not all Corbyn supporters... a lot of people are signing up to oppose Corbyn.

I don't think you care much for the Labour Party, in fact I don't think you care much for the UK at all. You've made it clear you are here to make some money so you can fuck back to your beloved Jamaica.

This thread started about Brexit and has since morphed into a Corbyn thread. To be honest I'm starting to get bored with it, with you going round and round in circles and you seem to the kind of person who likes having the last word so you can feel good about yourself.... so there you go the floor is all yours!!

In reply to crapaud

Yep, if Corbyn stands and win...it will result in the break up of Labour Party with only the Tories and UKIP governing the UK for the foreseeable future!

Will all this mean that the pound will drop again ?

All this talk is taking us away from the key takeaways.

Whats the use of capitalism without some capital gain.

In reply to Commie

Don't worry Commie, your capital investments are safe. This Tory govt will make sure you don't lose out. It's the poor sods who will continue to bear the brunt of their collective fuck ups.

In reply to NineMiles

We're still waiting...when will the openly gay Angela Eagle challenge Corbyn? And do you seriously think she has a chance of winning?

Come on, your Blairite heroes are nothing more than cowards....

Hmm...the Tory party has 150,000 members.

The Labour Party under Corbyn has 500,000 members.

A significant majority of the half a million support Corbyn. That's why your Blairite heroes don't have the balls to challenge Corbyn. My kids will live in the UK long after I've gone, so that's why I want Corbyn to win. They want him to win too, and he offers them hope.

It's okay for champagne socialists like you, who have private medical insurance, because you don't know what it's like to suffer from a Tory economy....

It's pretty clear to me whose politics is more appealing to those who want to become involved in politics. No wonder the right-wing press and the Establishment fear Corbyn so much....

In reply to mikesiva

The way the currency going...
You will have to ask to be paid in Jamaican Dollars

In reply to nick2020


On June 23, Referendum Day, I sent a few hundred pounds by Westernm Union to be lodged in my Jamaican dollar account at J$182 to the pound. Now, the pound has fallen against the Jamaican dollar to stand at J$164 to the pound today.

I was right to transfer some of my pounds savings to Jamaican dollars....

In reply to mikesiva

Did you just say that Jamaican currency is rising with respect to the British pound – or are the synapses malfunctioning, like I do not compete, correctly?

In reply to birdseye

Today, I went to Western Union, and the rate I got was J$158. So, the pound has fallen against the Jamaican dollar from J$182 to J$158.

Even the Argentine and Mexican pesos have performed better

In reply to mikesiva

You've had your answer today!

All you are demonstrating there is that you are nothing more that another dinosaur with primitive views on other people's sexually. Whether she is gay or not does not matter in the context becoming the Labour Party Leader.

It's great to see all the Brexit leaders falling by the way side... Farage, Boris. Gove and now Leadsom today. They've lead Britain down this dark path and have paid for it with their careers!

Time for Gisela Stuart to also leave the Labour Party!

In reply to NineMiles

I say leave de Jamaican alone. His views are just as important as yours.

In reply to Courtesy

of course his views are important.... he just happens to be on the wrong side of the argument!

In reply to NineMiles

Please expound.

In Jamaica, his views mirror the majority viewpoint.

What am I missing?

In reply to Courtesy

according to what source?

In reply to camos

Give it a lissen.

Do you want more?

Not in my Cabinet.

Homophobic Jamaicans.

Unchecked Homophobic Violence in Jamaica.

In reply to Courtesy

No need to expound... if you don't get it, you'll probably never get it.

I'm not about to go through this discussion again... it was discussed at length following the Jamaican AG's tweet and I've made my views clear on the subject.

This tread is about Brexit!

In reply to NineMiles

Thanks. I concur.

In reply to Courtesy


ok got you!

thought only Problemjay use Facebook as a reliable source

In reply to camos

Facebook brother? So you see me quote facebook above? Has De Courtesy has quoted facebook here?

You're not serious?

There are numerous BBC documentaries on Homophobia in Jamaica...too numerous.

Now don't expose your deceitfulness.

It is common knowledge that Jamaicans are in the main homophobic.

Dis done...let us continue with the Brexit thread.

In reply to NineMiles

I point out Angela Eagle's sexuality, because British people only pretend that they're not homophobic...wait until this becomes more well known, and see how her support slips away.

You only have to go to football matches, Britain's national sport, to see how homophobic Brits can be...and it's well-known that both Tory female party contenders, Theresa May and Andrea Leadsom, have made no bones about their homophobia.

In the meantime, the Tories select their leader the British way...by a coronation, depriving their 150,000 membership of the right to vote.

Of course, you Blairites are only filled with envy over that...if only, you say, we Blairites could do the same, and deprive our members of the right to vote for Corbyn!

British "democracy"...don't make me laugh!

In reply to mikesiva

For the umpteenth time, I'm not a Blairite! Mikey, are you really that a stupid??

In reply to NineMiles

Well, if you walk like a duck, and quack like a duck, you must be a duck!

Your fellow duck Angela Eagle is facing a no-confidence vote in her own constituency

In reply to mikesiva

I see, so in your stupid little mind, anyone who opposes Corbyn is a Blairite.

Are you even aware that Angela Eagle is on the left of the Party?

In reply to NineMiles

Only a Blairite would think Angela Eagle is a leftist!

1) She voted in favour of invading Iraq, following Blair's lead, and voted in favour of bombing Syria, following the lead of Blairite Hilary Benn.

2) She is against increasing the Living Wage.

3) She did not oppose the Tories' 2015 welfare cuts.

4) She supported the introduction of tuition fees, following Blair's lead.

5) She voted in favour of Blair's snooping charter, ID cards, and restrictions on human rights.

6) She supports the nuclear option of Trident.

7) Her voting has been favourable to the fracking industry.

She's poles apart from Corbyn's views!

If it walks like a Blairite, and quacks like a Blairite, it's a Blairite!

In reply to mikesiva

She was not the only person on the left who voted for the Iraq war. Lots of them were duped and have since regretted it.

You are very selective...How did you miss this from your own link?

In reply to NineMiles

I was not fooled by Blair over the Iraq War. Corbyn was not fooled by Blair over the Iraq War. And Eagle clearly hasn't changed or regretted it, because she voted the Tory way over the bombing of Syria....

What that fracking vote means is that she wants to allow fracking in national parks and heritage sites....


You're blinded, aren't you? Read some of the comments below the article...they can see better than you:

"Surely, anyone reading Ms Eagle's voting record can see that she is not representative of Labour values? Surely the NEC can see that?"

"So a Tory in everything but name!"

"A Blairite in other words."

"In short she has no principles."

"She really wouldn't look out of place among the Tory ranks would she?"

The rest of us are not fooled by champagne socialists like you and Angela Eagle....

In reply to mikesiva

Okay Corbynista

Corbyn will no doubt be relying on your vote after you've facked off back to jamaica!

Looks like Britain will now get a PM with no real stake in Britain's future.

In reply to JohnDoe

In reply to NineMiles

I'd rather be a Corbynista than a Blairite....

Corbyn can rely on the votes of my son and daughter when I return to Jamaica. It won't be long, if this slide in the pound continues....

In reply to mikesiva

Yeah, you associate yourself with people who conduct themselves in act of violence and intimidation.... Making death threats and throwing bricks at constituency office windows. You should be ashamed of yourself!

Are you going to pay £25 to vote? I doubt it...you just mouth with no action!

Anyway, The break up of the Labour Party is imminent... your son and daughter are going to live under a perpetual Tory government.

From the Guardians comments. Makes perfect sense

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In reply to NineMiles

What a typically Blairite response....

Blairites only ever talk about the threats against themselves. Blairites are incapable of seeing things objectively.

Blairites issued death threats against Corbyn

The brick through the window and so forth was the angry response to Blairites trying to take the undemocratic route and barring Corbyn from running. It was also a result of anger at the NEC denying votes to those who registered after January, and levying an additional £25, making Labour the most expensive party to become a member of right now....

Well, I'm sorry to inform you that you and your fellow Blairites failed in your attempts to prevent Corbyn from running.

You Blairites can't win fair and square, so you have to try and resort to undemocratic means

As I predicted, Angela Eagle dropped out, because she has no support among the MPs. Now, you're left with the mediocre Owen Smith. Are you voting for him?

It must bunn you that democracy has prevailed within the Labour Party....

I know why you and Commie don't like Corbyn. He's promised to levy more taxes on the rich (i.e. you and Commie) to create a more equitable society. Right now, you lot get away with so much tax evasion that you lot pay less tax than most low-paid PAYE workers....

What you gonna do when Corbyn thrashes mediocre Smith? Join the Lib Dems? Your views would make you lot compatible bed-fellows....

In reply to mikesiva

Corbyn is toast.

Thank Allah.

In reply to mikesiva

Waaaaahhh... I'm not in globe trotting Commie's league. I work hard to make ends meet and support my family.

So as we on the name calling ting, it's Yardie gangsters like you who are contributing to all that is wrong with this great country! Now seems some of you have also infiltrated Momentum the Corbynisters gang to hijack our Labour Party!

To suggest Eagle had no support from the MPs is laughable... unlike Corbyn who did everything to avoid obtaining the 51 required nominations from Labour MPs?? What a joke.

I agree, it's going to be very tough for Smith to beat Corbyn... we needed someone well known to take on that mantle but seems they are holding back for now.
Unlike you, I'm not happy for the impending break up of the Labour party.
You can only make fundamental changes if you are in government and a Corbyn led Labour party will NEVER be voted in by the British electorate...and we will just have to live with a Tory government for the next 20 plus years.
Of course you don't give a hoot as you'll be back in the Yard to see off your remaining years... it's your kids who will suffer unfortunately!!

In reply to mikesiva

Mikey, they saying your cheque for £25 bounced!

As for Pondie, he's been barred for previously supporting Farage and UKIP!

40,000 sign-ups “barred from voting” in leadership contest

In reply to NineMiles

Has the value of the Pound reached a new low.....like equivalent to the JMD or GYD?

In reply to Priapus

Sorry bro...I only dealing in US dollars and Euros. Yuh have to ask Mikey about likkle currencies.

In reply to NineMiles

They are ALL playing into Putin's hands . But as a well known adage
states :

" WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR BED

YOU HAVE TO LIE IN IT ".