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Carlos sgould bat at 6

Chandreka is not test material

XI need someone with more pace but Holder is holding down a spot he doesnt deserve

XI

1. Brathwaite
2. Johnson
3. Bravo
4. Samuels
5. Hope
6. Carlos
7. Dowrich
8. Holder
9. Bishoo
10. Gabriel
11. Cummings

Hope should be ahead of Chase and bat at 5.

Holder needs a yard more of pace, his medium mamby pamby aint working. Who else is there ? Beaton look beaten, ??

Cummings needs a run. Need to see what he has

Should have been the 1st Test team

In reply to Scar

For some reason they don't want to debut Cummins

In reply to LBW375

Same team will continue with may be one Cummins for Blackwood at the max. I don't think our selectors making any change.

Cummings for Chase. Johnson for Blackwood. Chandrika save a next time wid dat 30 sumptin

In reply to LBW375

Put Hope to open, play Carlos at 6 and Dowrich as a specialist bat at 5. Then bring back Ramdin as the specialist keeper at 7. The selectors will not do that but I think it was a mistake to drop him.

Man made a double ducks , and still in the team

eough of the test cricket, real cricket on TV

I would like to see three changes. The bowling has to be deeper and more aggressive against the Indians batting lineup!

KB
Chandrika
Johnson
Bravo (unfortunately)
Samuels
Dowrich
Holder
Bishoo
Cummings
Joseph
Gabriel

Kraigg B
L Johnson
D. Bravo
M. Samuels
v. Singh
J. Holder
S. Dowrich
Carlos B
Bishoo
Gabriel
Cummins

Johnson didn't even score runs in the warmup match, nor is he an opener.

K. Braithwaite
C. Braithwaite
Dm. Bravo
Samuels
L. Johnson
Holder
Dowrich (wk)
Bishoo
A. Joseph
Cummins
Gabriel

1. Brathwaite
2. Hope
3. Bravo
4. Samuels
5. Blackwood
6. Carlos
7. Dowrich
8. Holder
9. Bishoo
10.Gabriel
11.Joseph

the only change that i see happening is that of blackwood, Singh or hope will get his spot

In reply to LBW375
Bishoo should bat at 3. He has more heart, passion and commitment than either Bravo or Samuels.

Call up Cornwall to play as specialist slip cordon

In reply to hawk

Hope will not be chosen as he is in t20 mode.

In reply to JamMack

Got the wrong Hope

In reply to ThisIsMyName

I like that 11

Replace Blackwood with Hope who score a not out 100 in the warmup match against the Indians

Play Alzharri Joseph...Cummings is more medium pace in your S£unt...we already got 2 in the side

K.Braf
C. Braf
D Bravo
M Samuels
S. Hope
R Chase
S Dowrich
J Holder
D Bishoo
A Joseph
S Gabriel

In reply to LBW375

you need a genuine opener with craig. you also need genuine pace...I will go for young Joseph and tell him to run in hard.

Just asking. Why does WI want to continue playing Bravo, Samuels and Blackwood?

1. Brathwaite
2. Johnson
3. Bravo
4. Samuels
5. Dowrich
6. Cornwall
7. Holder
8. Brathwaite
9. Bishoo
10. Gabriel
11. Cummins/Joseph

Too bad Taylor retired as he usually does very well at Sabina

Harsh (because it's harsh to drop a player after 1 match) but one change...assuming Sabina is a bit more bowler friendly

Cummins for Chase

In reply to imusic

Taylor is as good as they get at bina. Always bagging fifers there. Big loss indeed.

Agree harsh to drop players after one game. Majority of these players will start to play well from the 3rd test. Problem is our players have to learn on the big stage. However, Blackwood has looked rusty lately, a drop to shake him up would do well. I don't think Chandrika is test match ready but the opening cupboard real bare...

In reply to jen

How many 5fers does Taylor have in tests at Sabina?

In reply to WestDem

good question for the yardies

In reply to pkriston

No Jospeh!! The cupboard not that bare Cummings needs his try. Should have had it b4 Chase since he was left out in OZ

In reply to sudden

Then dont select him.

In reply to WestDem

Taylor at Sabina in Tests....

2003 vs SL: 2-78

2006 vs India: 9-95

2008 vs England: 8-85

2014 vs NZ: 4-65

2015 vs Australia: 6-71

K.Brathwaite (C)
Evin lewis
Leon johnson
Darren Bravo
Samuels
Chase
Dowrich
Bishoo
Alzari Joseph
Cummins
Gabriel

I do not understand why Joseph is being pushed so quickly!!! I agree that he has potential but I am sure there is need for further development through channels such as the regional tourney as well as B and A teams. Why the rush? He gets thrown in at the deep end, gets taken for runs and then gets discarded with his confidence shattered. We are using the same method adopted by the West Indies selectors and then we turn around and curse then when they use they discard policy with our young players.

Kraigg Brathwaite
Rajendra Chandrika
Darren Bravo
Marlon Samuels
Chase/D'wood/Johnson don't equal 1
Shane Dowrich
Carlos Brathwaite
Jason Holder
Devendra Bishoo
Shannon Gabriel
Miguel Cummins

This is from the squad selected.

Fantasy teams belong on another thread.

In reply to natty_forever

True. However, against this Indian batting lineup, we need at least four specialist as well as a stock bowler, the give the option as five bowlers. If we don't , then our bowlers become overworked and tired risking injuries. The other reason is our bowlers and batsmen are NOT disciplined as the Indians, so hence I believe at least four specialist and one stock bowler will have a more realistic opportunity in restricting the Indian batting. This however, will help the mind set of our batsmen of not having to overcome unreal totals.

Most WI wickets assist spin the later part of a test match, I would like to see another spin bowler in the eleven with Bishoo preferably an off spinner to balance the attack (Conwall (bowl & bat) or Narine.

The batting I would like to see Johnson in at no 3 and Bravo whom I'm very disappointed in and critical of because of his poor technique and flaws in at 4 and I'm not sure of that no 6 spot. Either we play a specialist batsman who have been underperforming anyways or use Carlos as a batsman who can bowl and Holder as the stock bowler who could bat.

So here are my two options:
1). K.B.
2). Chandrika.
3). Johnson.
4). Bravo.
5). Samuels.
6). Dowrich.
7). Carlos. / Holder
. Holder. / Conwall / Narine
9). Bishoo. / Bishoo
10) Cummings. / Cummings
11) Gabriel. / Gabriel

The other issue is the Holder and the captaincy. He is clearly very immature as a student on his own personal game, far less as a captain.

In reply to natty_forever
Your team looks like the team I expect them to play in the next test, I think Chase will retain his place and B/wood would lose his, Chandrika would need to do better as he has had many chances to at least make a fifty.

In reply to yardman83

WI does not play enough A team tours to get exposure. With fast bowling if you have the potentiL and skill no harm pushing him. It is not as if there are 100's quicks lining up and are ignored in pushing Joseph.

There are no good quicks in Caribbean and you can't wait year after year losing talent. All those bowlers with potential bess, Dawes, Deleon, Richards have not improved ( many have actually gone missing) in our regional cricket. No point expecting the regional cricket to teach the quicks a lot. I would say look at Rabada

In reply to LBW375
What about Cornwall?

In reply to granite

Cornwall not picked....

Unchanged squad arrives in Kingston

West Indies squad: Devendra Bishoo, Jermaine Blackwood, Carlos Brathwaite, Kraigg Brathwaite, Darren Bravo, Rajendra Chandrika, Roston Chase, Shane Dowrich, Shannon Gabriel, Jason Holder, Marlon Samuels, Leon Johnson, Miguel Cummins

In reply to dayne... peeps picking on emotion. Remove it, look at the squad chosen and select. Leon should get the nod IMHO.

Kraigg Brathwaite
Rajendra Chandrika
Darren Bravo
Marlon Samuels don'
Leon Johnson
Shane Dowrich
Carlos Brathwaite
Jason Holder
Devendra Bishoo
Shannon Gabriel
Miguel Cummins

In reply to natty_forever

they gonna make one change...

this will be the XI

1. Kraigg
2. Chandrika
3. Bravo
4. Samuels
5. Chase
6. Dowrich
7. Holder
8. Carlos
9. Bishoo
10. Gabriel
11. Cummins

I can't help but be amused by the proposals of some of you people. The vast majority of the posts are calling for Chase to be dropped after playing his first test match. You would have to have the attention span of a fly to want to take that approach to team selection. Chase was selected not only because he has scored heavily in regional cricket but because he is a tidy offspinner with potential to improve - a backup that is sorely missed with Samuels not able to bowl, and one that is critical if the best is to be derived from the legspinner Bishoo. The guy was the most economical bowler, and delivered a marathon 34 overs in the first innings. He was wicketless in that innings, but for that matter, so was Ashwin.

That said, he is there for his batting primarily, and in this regard I would have to assume that those calling for his axe did not see his performance in the first innings. In my view he looked the most comfortable of the batters up to that point, against the swing and spin of the Indian bowlers, before mistiming a pull shot to be out for 23. 23 is not good enough to assure a long term future but unless the selectors are themselves flies, I would be shocked if it disqualifies him from second test selection.

In reply to XDFIX

1. Brathwaite
2. Chandrika
3. Samuels
4. Bravo
5. Carlos
6. Dowrich
7. Chase , Johnson,Blackwood or Kemar (move Kemar to #9 instead and Bishoo)
8. Holder
9. Bishoo
10.Cummins
11.Gabriel



Bravo should come at #4 and Marlon at #3. This should also be Bravo's last call to come good - somebody has to let him know that failing especially on home turf is unexceptable. Perform against top teams or take the door and retool.

In reply to TheTrailYou honestly think Carlos is a number 5 batsman?

In reply to Logic

KB more than fulfills that role. If Chase wants to make the side, he needs to do so primarily as a specialist batsmen. We have too many pseudo-all rounders in the side already (Holder,CB, KB). Having said that, I agree that it's short-sighted to drop a debutant after one Test, unless he was only filling in for a returning injured player.

In reply to Logic

My thoughts exactly. Chase looked better than all of them other than KB in the first innings. I would rather Johnson in for Chandrika and a fast bowler in for Blackwood.

In reply to seaegg99

The selectors are clearly investing in Chandrika as a test opener. He battled hard in the second innings for his 30 odd. You going to drop him to bring in yet another unproven player? And worse yet...a stop gap opener?

When you investing....you got to be patient. Otherwise you just glory hunting.

Kraigg Brathwaite
Darren Bravo
Marlon Samuels
Singh/ Johnson
Chase
Shane Dowrich
Carlos Brathwaite
Jason Holder
Devendra Bishoo
Shannon Gabriel
Miguel Cummins

Bravo opens as any 3 MUST do at some point anyway and I want a Left/ Right Combo! I also want Singh /Johnson as another Leftie to create trouble for the Indian bowlers. Send Bishoo for same reason as needed.
Chandrika has proven nothing and Blackwood has not proved he is a Test batsman.

In reply to Pacy

I don't know if I agree pacy. The rabada example might not be the best when comparing Joseph, in my opinion. At least the South African state system must be better than the West Indian one. What happens is that the WI pacers are found wanting at the highest level. I am not seeing our bowlers with any 'skill' that can help them in different conditions. I doubt raw pace will be enough. So we stand a greater chance of losing a young prospect because of lack of planning by administrator.

In reply to yardman83

Regional pitches are one of 2 major reasons why our fast bowling in particular has declined so significantly over the years.

In reply to imusic

I agree.

In reply to granite

What about Cornwall ??

In reply to LBW375

I think they can work on his fitness but he has some talent. He is naturally aggressive and has height which will cause disconcerting bounce for batsmen. He is definitely showing that he is hungry (couldn't help it). He did well with bat and ball last regional season. I would definitely play him in any President's XI against teams touring the Caribbean as well as on any WI A or B teams. He has shown a willingness to learn and apply himself.

Brathwaite
Johnson
Bravo
Samuels
Blackwood
Dowrich
Holder
Bishoo
Cummins
Joseph
Gabriel

In reply to yardman83

It isn't enough but the selectors like it that way.

They like raw pace with no experience pace bowlers like Kemar or Taylor to give him a little pointer or two on when and how to use the pace properly.

Now Gabriel will have to give Cummins and Joseph what pointers Sammy and Tino Best passed down to him. This piece is or going to be a good laugh...

In reply to ThisIsMyName

I like your team and batting order very much. It's an innovative approach, but has merit.

Carlos opened in top division club cricket for a long time so the position is not new to him.

Johnson proved in SA that he has some ability, and his leg spin is not that bad either.

The additional fire-power with Joseph and Cummins is sorely needed and this also takes a bit of pressure off Gabriel. This bowling unit will give India more headaches than the diet of spin and medium pace that they were fed in the 1st test.

We to try something different and this is as good an any I can imagine.

In reply to TheTrail

I am waiting to see what they will do.

In reply to anthonyp... they may keep Blackwood, if what I have read is true, so Chase maybe left out.

If we lose the 2nd test....here's my GO FOR BROKE...WHAT THE HELL....3rd test team


kraigg brathwaite -capt
shai hope
nicholas pooran
jermaine blackwood
leon johnson - v capt
shane dowrich
rahkeem cornwall
carlos brathwaite
miguel cummmins
alzarri joseph
shannon gabriel

My preference for the starting eleven in batting order for tomorrow follows (we go in to win & take 20 wickets; not just compete and therefore, need to take big risks. Groundsmen, please give us enough pace and bounce for Sabina, and I know the Indian pacers will also give hell to us)

1. KB
2. Johnson
3. Bravo
4. Samuels
5. Dowrich
6. Holder (playing firstly as a batsman)
7. Carlos Brathwaite
8. Bishoo
9. Cummings
10. Joseph
11. Gabriel

12th man: Blackwood

In reply to solidrock

My team as well. If Holder wasn't the captain, he'd be in a battle with Chase for that spot. As it is, I see Chase, Johnson and Blackwood battling for that final middle order position. Btw, I would open with Bravo

In reply to imusic

That 'go for broke team' would bring more curiosity, excitement and viewership.