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Classy youth cricketers who didn't debut for WI

 
Narper 2016-12-08 17:20:33 

First one that comes to my mind - Timur Mohammed

 
Runs 2016-12-08 17:28:43 

Rafiq Khan cool

 
Runs 2016-12-08 17:29:12 

Sherwin Praag R.I.P.

 
Narper 2016-12-08 17:29:35 

In reply to Runs

Paul Persaud
Gajanand Singh

 
Runs 2016-12-08 17:57:49 

Latchman Bhamsingh

 
JoeGrine 2016-12-08 18:17:00 

Samuel Haye

 
CWWeekes 2016-12-08 19:10:21 

These come to mind:

Sam Morgan
Richard DeSouza
Lindel Wright

 
camos 2016-12-08 20:02:48 

In reply to JoeGrine

remember William, can't remember Samuel!

 
Prako 2016-12-08 22:47:27 

Vishal Nagamootoo
This youth never got a chance at the top. Really good servant at regional level. I thought he was better than David Williams, Junior Murray and Courtney Browne.

Eugene Antoine and Russel Elvin
Hard working pace men who used to get wickets in Trinidad (a place no fast bowlers liked playing). I thought if Nixon McClean, Cameron Cuffy, Sandford, Marlon Black and Dillon got to play, these boys should have gotten a chance.

Anil Balliram
Born at in the wrong era. Would have been a shoe-in at this present time.

Tamar Lambert
If Sammy made WI team as a specialist captain, Tamar could consider himself to be unlucky. Lead Jamaica over a period of dominance, year after year, in 4-day cricket.

 
JoeGrine 2016-12-09 02:16:02 

In reply to camos

William Haye excelled in the Sugar Estate cricket.

Samuel Haye played for Jamaica U-19 and JDF

 
Prako 2016-12-09 07:57:59 

Sudesh Dhanieram
Another one like Anil Balliram who was born at the wrong time.

Incidently he went on to play for USA while his brother, Sunil, played for Canada after both of them ended playing for Guyana

 
Bigzinc 2016-12-09 09:37:42 

In reply to Prako

What about George ferris and Anthony meyrick??

 
camos 2016-12-09 09:44:42 

Mark Neita

 
Anandram 2016-12-09 09:51:07 

Tyrone Etwaroo

 
JamMack 2016-12-09 10:27:44 

In reply to Anandram

You remember who else played with Tyrone Etwaroo when he played WI Youth? Sam Haye was one.

 
Runs 2016-12-09 10:28:53 

Tyrone fell away in FC cricket was suspect to fast bowling

 
JamMack 2016-12-09 10:30:41 

In reply to JoeGrine

Do you remember who else played alongside Sam Haye when he played WI youth (Agatha Christie Tour summer of '7cool. Tyrone Etwaroo was one.

 
JoeGrine 2016-12-09 11:02:51 

In reply to JamMack

If memory serves me right and I could be wrong...

Carlisle Best
Marlon Tucker
Winston Davis

The late Samuel "Test" Haye could have gone all the way.

 
Narper 2016-12-09 11:06:55 

 
JamMack 2016-12-09 11:16:48 

In reply to JoeGrine

Yes Haye was a really really good batsman, but not very smart in his choices.

If I recall the original WI Youth squad in 1978.
From Guyana: Keshwar Persaud, Ian Grant, Nagamooto & Tyrone Etwaroo.
From Barbados: Franklyn "Cookie" Stephenson, Henderson Roach, Leslie Reifer and Carlisle Best,
From Trinidad: Jumadeen
From Islands: Lewis, Austin Whyte, Winston Davis
From Jamaica: Haye, Earle Melbourne, Marlon Tucker & me.

 
Prako 2016-12-09 11:20:59 

In reply to Bigzinc

Ferrs and Merrick all fall into the categories of Anthony Gray, Eugene Antoine and Russell Elvin.

They are from an era where WI could have had 2 test teams. In the WI today those guys would fit in easily.

They were a good back up to the 4 prong attack but the issue is the 4 prong never broke down so they never got a chance

 
Prako 2016-12-09 11:22:48 

In reply to JoeGrine

Carlisle Best couldn't make the team because of Haynes and Greenidge. At that time Barbados had the 3 best opening batsmen and best bowling attack in WORLD cricket

And after Greenidge and Haynes retired, Carlisle was old as well so we ended up with a trio of Sherwin Campbell, Stuart Williams and Phil Simmons

 
JoeGrine 2016-12-09 11:25:07 

In reply to JamMack

Remind me of where Melbourne went to school was it TG?
Who is "me"? big grin

Agreed on Haye making poor choices which derailed his career, just like "Danny Germs"

 
Narper 2016-12-09 11:33:56 

In reply to Prako

Carlisle played 8 test matches

 
Runs 2016-12-09 11:40:31 

In reply to Narper

He did not deliver and was dropped cool

 
Narper 2016-12-09 11:44:08 

In reply to Runs

This thread is about who didn't debut for WI ...not who failedwink

 
navindesigns 2016-12-09 11:47:12 

In reply to Prako

you are joking about vishaul nagamattoo right?

 
JamMack 2016-12-09 11:49:37 

In reply to JoeGrine

Definitely was not TG. He"Jelly" played for Camperdown and Melbourne Club.

Me is JamMack smile. Played for Calabar & Kingston Club.

 
Runs 2016-12-09 11:50:20 

In reply to Narper

Guess that should have been directed to Joe, I was just commenting on him. Am fully aware of the topic. cool
Let me add Rab Seeram

 
JoeGrine 2016-12-09 12:07:55 

In reply to JamMack

Did not realize Melbourne went C'down, same team with Chito?

Figured you for CHS "Mack" gave you away. Guiste played ahead of you?

 
Baje 2016-12-09 12:09:48 

Renaldo Parris dominated at U19 level along with Xavier Marshall. After that, he disappeared.

 
JamMack 2016-12-09 12:15:01 

In reply to JoeGrine

Yep you figured me out. No Guise and I played at the same time. I was picked as the starter and 3 games into the tour I got injured (freak accident) and Guise was called up to be my replacement. When I google my name with cricket after my name I see the old scorecards in England.

 
JoeGrine 2016-12-09 12:19:25 

In reply to JamMack


I do remember your meteoric rise as a "keeper, I used to kid my CHS brethren (one of them the reserve goal keeper on the winning Manning Cup team) "since when 'bar have cricketers". You were pretty much all they had.

Kudos to you Sir!

 
navindesigns 2016-12-09 12:20:37 

the biggest disappointment is ANDRE PERCIVAL

 
JamMack 2016-12-09 12:20:45 

In reply to JoeGrine

Can't remember Chito. I know Percy was their fast bowler.

 
JoeGrine 2016-12-09 12:28:59 

In reply to JamMack

Anthony Chito was their top spinner, played against him at the Colts level, I do not remember Percy. It escapes me that Melbourne played for C'down. They like C'bar were football schools absent any cricket reputation.

Did you not play some football also?

 
Prako 2016-12-09 12:29:02 

In reply to navindesigns




you are joking about vishaul nagamattoo right?


During the 1995/2005 decade only Ridley Jacobs was better than Vish. That is another reason why spinners weren't given a run because with Keepers like Junior Murray and Browne they had no idea how to keep close up to the stumps

 
Raggs 2016-12-09 12:31:23 

Marlon Tucker. Had cricket brains before the other Jamaican Fatman.

 
JamMack 2016-12-09 12:32:51 

In reply to JoeGrine

Thank you Sir. I was in a club where my keeping was allowed to develop even though the same club also had Dujon and A Campbell as members and we all played on same Senior Cup team. We rotated the WKeeping duties.

I know after me we had N Perry at CHS.

 
JoeGrine 2016-12-09 12:56:30 

In reply to JamMack

Perry was the other CHS "aberration" LOL. Yes, "Ulie" Campbell (surprised he did not progress to the international level)would have definitely kept you at bay.

 
Narper 2016-12-09 12:56:57 

In reply to Raggs

What about Mark Neita?

 
JamMack 2016-12-09 13:13:05 

In reply to JoeGrine

Yes. Football too. Top goal scorer for Colts team. Team with man like Nangle and Sewell on forward line with me. Hutchinson was our goal keeper.

 
JoeGrine 2016-12-09 13:17:25 

In reply to JamMack

Gregory Sewell and Kendis Nangle. Was Gary "Washy" Bogle on that Colts team as well?

Do you remember Border? Thought he would have been your goal keeper.

 
Raggs 2016-12-09 13:21:03 

In reply to Narper

Mark Neita was very unlucky in fact could be the most unluckiest of dem all.

 
JamMack 2016-12-09 13:26:29 

In reply to Narper
In addition to some of the others mentioned:
Diego Gordon
Leslie Reifer
Ozzie Dacosta

 
JoeGrine 2016-12-09 13:33:44 

In reply to Raggs

Peter "Dove" Martson - he went the football route, what a cricketer!
Jeff McLeod - he went the track route
Richard Seymour Newman - he went the track route, only man to beat Juantorena in 1977.

 
JamMack 2016-12-09 13:51:48 

In reply to JoeGrine

Washy Bogle was the year after me. I don't remember Border. Our gkeeper was Anthony "Flunie" Hutchinson. He was also a quality left arm orthodox spinner who finished up at XLCR and eventually a lecturer at UWI. The Top goal keepers in school at the time were Dave "Broadie" Stewart, then Flunie until Dellie arrived. Those were the top 3 keeps at school back in my days.

I started wicket keeping by accident. Our Wkeeper got hit in the throat during Colts cricket practice so I picked up the gloves. Rest is history..

 
JoeGrine 2016-12-09 13:56:32 

In reply to JamMack

I do remember "Flunie". Norman Scott should be on your goalkeeper list, he backed up "Delly" Taylor when C'bar won. I actually thought he was a better 'keeper than Delly.

 
Raggs 2016-12-09 13:58:06 

In reply to JoeGrine

Richard Seymour Newman - he went the track route, only man to beat Juantorena in 1977.
i remember that woolmers guy. holding and him used to open the jamaica under 19's and he was at the time quicker than mikey.

 
Bigzinc 2016-12-09 14:00:53 

In reply to Raggs

Nieta was a very good regional bat and certainly in the runnings for a call up in the 80s

 
Runs 2016-12-09 14:16:43 

In reply to Bigzinc

Really?
Call up to WI?
cool

 
Bigzinc 2016-12-09 14:40:16 

In reply to Runs

What I mean was that if there was a vacancy, Nieta was a worthy pick.

 
Bigzinc 2016-12-09 15:32:20 

In reply to Bigzinc

what about Franklin Stevenson...a real quality player

 
archangel 2016-12-09 15:36:39 

Has anyone said Hylton Gordon?

 
archangel 2016-12-09 15:39:41 

In reply to JoeGrine

Seymour Newman it was felt was better than Holding.

 
camos 2016-12-09 15:41:01 

In reply to archangel
remember about 3 Gordons at STATS I think cant remember them individually.

 
methodic 2016-12-09 15:42:38 

Hartley Alleyne, Emmerson Trotman, Andrew Jackman, Ralston Otto,

 
methodic 2016-12-09 15:43:26 

In reply to Runs

didn't Best score 180th in his last test!

 
camos 2016-12-09 15:46:19 

In reply to Narper

Carlisle played 8 test matches


and scored a nice 116 against england

 
methodic 2016-12-09 15:47:02 

In reply to Prako

Do you mean Giles Antoine. I don't think he could play for West Indies.

 
camos 2016-12-09 15:47:09 

In reply to methodic
was it 180 or 116 ?

 
JoeGrine 2016-12-09 16:03:26 

In reply to camos

Carol Gordon & Hylton "Pancho" Gordon.......related
John "Peas Head" Gordon

Colin Gordon (also related to Carol & Poncho)left StATHS and played on the winning TG team with Hackett

 
JoeGrine 2016-12-09 16:04:53 

In reply to archangel

So was McLeod, most experts ranked them McLeod, Newman and Holding though you could flip the first two.

 
camos 2016-12-09 16:05:03 

In reply to JoeGrine

thanks bro!

 
Narper 2016-12-09 16:27:34 

In reply to camos

In reply to Narper

Carlisle played 8 test matches

and scored a nice 116 against england

He used to do his own audible commentary at the crease...as he batted big grin

 
Narper 2016-12-09 16:31:08 

In reply to Bigzinc

Surely would have made the WI team

Tall, with a beard and a permanent sunny smile, Franklyn Stephenson somehow missed out on Test selection, mainly because he toured South Africa with the rebel sides of the early 1980s and incurred a ban. But he was a fearsome proposition as a bowler, mixing up pace and swing with a moon-ball slower delivery that frequently crashed into the base of the stumps while bewildered batsmen ducked for cover. Stephenson was no slouch with the bat, either: his maiden century, made for Barbados after coming in as nightwatchman, turned into a rollicking 165.


Stats

 
Runs 2016-12-09 16:36:13 

WI should have fielded 2 test teams. The B team would have done quite well also I feel. razz

 
JamMack 2016-12-09 16:37:55 

In reply to JoeGrine

Colin Gordon not related to Carol and Pancho. Right arm wrist spinner in my era.

 
JoeGrine 2016-12-09 16:50:31 

In reply to JamMack

Thanks for the correction, was led to believe they were.

 
methodic 2016-12-09 17:14:33 

In reply to camos

might have been 116 but that was the game that cost him his test career.

 
Acid 2016-12-09 20:17:50 

I remembered watching the ODI (I think it was against England) when he was on 99 and went for 2 runs.

He made the 1st, and got his century, but got run out coming back for the 2nd

 
Oilah 2016-12-09 20:30:15 

Roland Holder?

 
Norm 2016-12-09 20:56:47 

Lots of very promising regional youths did not continue on the play for the West Indies. Many from Guyana emigrated to North America during the difficult "socialist" years.

Some that come to mind include: Gopie Beasmonie, Babu Sankar.

 
Narper 2016-12-09 22:15:38 

In reply to Norm

Remember Kennedy Venkersammy?

 
jacksprat 2016-12-09 23:12:51 

In reply to JamMack

I always wondered what ever became of you. I won an argument just the other day with someone when I told him you had captained the Benson and Hedges team and he disputed it.

My most memorable game against Calabar in a Tappan Cup when Sharpie almost killed us in the deteriorating light. We were Sunlight Cup teammates the following year when he transferred.

You were easily the best wicketkeeper I played againot during either Sunlight or colt. Flunie and I both attended Swallowed Primary and we later joined forces again when he came to Excelsior. Plus, both our mothers were nurses at Victoria Jubilee.

 
archangel 2016-12-09 23:13:20 

In reply to JoeGrine

Yes, Hylton was the left arm orthodox spinning all rounder.

The Ventura brothers.

Alan Rae son.

 
jacksprat 2016-12-09 23:22:14 

In reply to archangel

Were you at school when Holding wrecked us for something like 30 odd after conceding probably 14 runs in his first over?

 
Norm 2016-12-09 23:23:21 

In reply to Narper

Remember Kennedy Venkersammy?

He and I have had interesting conversations, related to information on my website.

Here is what I have about him.

Here is Gopie Beasmonie and Babu Sankar.

 
archangel 2016-12-10 00:48:34 

In reply to jacksprat

Yes, I was there.

He bowled from what could be called the southern end off the long run.

 
WestDem 2016-12-10 01:36:56 

'Ulie' was my Cappo for almost six years here.. very good wicket keeper and a handy batsman...all in all a very nice person!

My fellow Muddies brethren- allyuh know one Deonarine Persaud from Berbice?
cool

 
Runs 2016-12-10 05:45:21 

In reply to WestDem

Parish was an excellent youth player. cool

 
Runs 2016-12-10 05:46:53 

Sen Gopaul

 
JamMack 2016-12-10 09:12:39 

Deleted

 
Maispwi 2016-12-22 20:48:21 

Ah watched Larry Cunningham, Terrence Cork, "Packer" Barrett and John Eugene play some years back and wondered why they didn go further.

Mervyn Richards was reputed to have been a better bat dan Viv but cudn seem to get it together in LI cricket. On the practice ground he was a terror but ah suppose he was more interested in football where he terrorized many a defender

 
Slipfeeler 2016-12-22 21:00:15 

In reply to JoeGrine

Usain Bolt could have easily been a WI pacer with his speed and height, not a bad batsman too. Nehemiah Perry and Odean Brown two top class spinners who never got called up for WI despite great regional performances.

 
tc1 2016-12-22 21:15:16 

In reply to archangel


Andy Weekes, what a player better than David

 
FanAttick 2016-12-22 22:04:13 

In reply to Narper

Richard Staple and Delroy Morgan...

 
tc1 2016-12-23 00:51:19 

In reply to Narper

he was some player

 
Dukes 2016-12-23 06:45:33 

In reply to Bigzinc

Ferris was seriously quick and Merrick was a very good bowler.They came at the wrong time and would have been successful test cricketers.

 
Narper 2016-12-23 09:19:08 

In reply to Slipfeeler

Nehemiah Perry and Odean Brown two top class spinners who never got called up for WI despite great regional performances.


Perry played test cricket.

 
Fivestar 2016-12-23 14:18:59 

In reply to archangel

Victor Eddy.

 
Priapus 2016-12-23 14:32:00 

In reply to Narper

John Eugene

 
jcveletta 2016-12-23 15:27:46 

In reply to Runs

bammas in the states, right?

 
jcveletta 2016-12-23 15:34:19 

In reply to JoeGrine

you talking about joe guiste? very good all round cricketer.

 
Runs 2016-12-23 15:50:06 

In reply to jcveletta

yep

 
doosra 2016-12-23 16:22:17 

In reply to WestDem

Deonarine went to England with the wi u19 team i think

his son played for guyana some years ago (Hemant Poonoo)

 
Runs 2016-12-23 17:53:42 

In reply to doosra

Both father and son together with the Etwaroo brothers represented Port Mourant in the NY Commonwealth League. It was an honor for me to play against guys of such calibre back in the late 90's, early 2000's. By then they were middle aged guys, more interested in partaking in the after cricket and even during the match liquid activities in the players huts. lol
Us younger guys were tired of hearing about their glory days and relished getting their wickets or hitting their bowling out of the park, no due respect was shown, sad I must admit hindsight now being 20/20 lol

 
Tagwa1 2016-12-24 09:58:10 

In reply to JamMack

A few Southern Windwards players.

Peter Thomas...Grenada

Swing bowler topped bowling averages in his U19 WI outing. Big swinger and accurate a Bernard Julien type bowler.

Yet for the senior team Combined islands preferred Hugh Gore.

Peter left for England.

Colville Brown St.Vincent.. there is no real logical reason why a batsman this good didnt reach West Indies. Windwards quota politics stiffed him.

Albert Texiera, St. Vincent, who left for the US with family as a teenager and for years made a ton of runs in the US leagues. Including against visiting WI bowlers.
Always wondered what would have happened if he stayed.

POINT has detailed well the mis Management of the Vincentian Kenroy "invisible man" Peters.

Paul Smith, off spinner Grenada, toured OZ with U19, early 90s (around Lara's time i beieve.)

Did very well down under, came home and couldn't break into the Grenada side controlled by the St.Georges Cabal. No Grenada, No Windwards, No where to go. He played years later when he was all washed up.

 
tc1 2016-12-24 10:05:57 

In reply to Norm

One of the best in NY club cricket in the 70s Kennedy

 
Cheeks 2016-12-24 10:24:25 

Steve Mahon
John Sylvester
Kester Sylvester

 
Maispwi 2016-12-24 11:32:44 

In reply to Tagwa1

Gore ws actually a very good left arm swing bowler at youth level. Ah doh tink he took cricket seriously even after being recommended to Somerset by Viv

 
Tagwa1 2016-12-24 15:52:44 

In reply to Cheeks

DID Mahon make WEST INDIES youth team?

Steve was a classy bat.

 
shivnotout 2016-12-24 19:52:45 

In reply to Narper

Mark Narper

 
tc1 2016-12-24 20:14:25 

Nolan Clarke

 
Narper 2016-12-24 20:18:48 

In reply to shivnotout

As a schoolboy...around 14 years old ...I was a better batsman than Mark Harper...he told me so wink

 
tc1 2016-12-25 13:07:37 

In reply to Narper

And look where you ended , posting on CC . Com

 
spider 2016-12-25 14:02:24 

In reply to FanAttick

Delroy Morgan would've walked into the West Indies team now. Just unfortunate for him that he came in the era of Greenidge and Haynes.

 
Priapus 2016-12-25 14:42:36 

In reply to spider

You can say the same for lots of other batsmen during that era such as Luther Kelly, Livingstone Lawrence, Lockhart Sebastien.....

 
Dan_De_Lyan 2016-12-25 20:23:35 

In reply to Narper

Paul P from Canada?

 
Dan_De_Lyan 2016-12-25 20:24:29 

Romain Etwaru

 
Narper 2016-12-26 05:45:29 

In reply to tc1

In reply to Narper

And look where you ended , posting on CC . Com


Ended?

Do you think posting on cc.com is my occupation and profession?

I will put it this way...on a daily basis I make a direct and tangible contribution to people's lives...people from all over the world.

CC.com is my home for relaxation and fun.

And I do enjoy posting here about cricket wink

 
Narper 2016-12-26 05:47:43 

In reply to Dan_De_Lyan

I believe he lives in US

 
Dan_De_Lyan 2016-12-26 11:13:02 

In reply to Narper


There was a Canadian named Paul Persaud and had a brother named Martin....not the same guy?

 
Narper 2016-12-26 19:13:13 

In reply to Dan_De_Lyan

Really don't know my boy.

 
Dan_De_Lyan 2016-12-27 19:08:36 

In reply to Narper

link of the PP I was talking about.

The other PP