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If Shiv is one of the three leading batsmen...

 
Devin 2016-12-17 20:46:25 

at the end of the domestic competition, should he be selected for the West Indies Test team?

If he isn't, would he have a legitimate gripe about this being a case of age discrimination?

 
Narper 2016-12-17 20:56:46 

In reply to Devin
I watched Shiv bat today for his entire stay at the crease until end of play...even though it was a one camera video coverage...and regardless how potent the bowling was....I saw Shiv bat like a man 10 years younger than his age....he was moving down to wicket to play the spinners....he was driving...cutting..a very positive Shiv....taking singles...stealing singles....and obviously guiding his team mates....effortless 141*

If Shiv unretires and says he is available for selection...I would select him for test cricket...and I would be confident he would be ready for test cricket.

 
Slipfeeler 2016-12-17 21:02:31 

In reply to Narper

I totally concur with you, The Shiv should be reselected!

 
Devin 2016-12-17 21:06:27 

In reply to Narper

He's still good enough to score centuries against all the Test teams out there. This guy is something else.

I wish he would've expressed himself as a batsman instead of batting like he had the world on his shoulders. You saw it when he made that 69 ball hundred. I know that knock was an anomaly, but I also know that when Shiv is in the mood, he'll take you to the cleaners. He has all the shots in the book.

It's a pity he spent the overwhelming majority of his career in a shit side where almost every knock required him to rescue a pack of shitheads.

 
Narper 2016-12-17 21:16:37 

In reply to Devin

He's still good enough to score centuries against all the Test teams out there. This guy is something else.

The first bad patch in more than a decade...Shiv didn't know how to handle it...his mind became cluttered...and it seemed he was incapable of getting out of that patch....but Shiv still believed in himself...and asked for two more tests.....but de heartless bastards couldn't give the guy two tests to end his career.....they promptly with obscene haste dropped him...with such arrogance.....payback karma was swift for Phil...where is he today?

Shiv is now batting with an uncluttered mind....he is fluent again...I believe he is ready again....give him his two tests....as they say....age is just a number.

 
Devin 2016-12-17 21:26:57 

In reply to Narper

Agreed. Well said.

 
Runs 2016-12-17 22:38:17 

In reply to Narper

Agreed

 
jen 2016-12-17 22:42:32 

In reply to Narper

The Shivster not getting old it seems, thought he was done with when he was forced out cause it was the ugliest i've seen Shiv bat was then. The most versatile batsman i've seen is shiv. Will bat defensively but when he been ready to turn up the heat, man, he was good. And them days T20 didn't exist as yet....

One thing i'm sad we didn't see a lot of is Shiv as an opener in ODI cricket, he and Gayle was a brilliant combo, that should have never changed!

 
DIEHARD 2016-12-17 22:59:27 

In reply to jen

Amen.

Sars at 3 Lara 4

That should have been a champion ODI team

Wait.. Wasn't it big grin

 
Devin 2016-12-18 00:25:06 

In reply to jen

You remember when Shiv and Gayle put on 150+ run partnership against South Africa in India?

Shiv got down on one knee and swept Nel for SIX over fine leg. One of the best shots I've ever seen. And judging by the expressions on the faces of the South Africans, it was one of the best shots they'd ever seen as well.

 
tc1 2016-12-18 00:40:44 

In reply to jen

Don't fall in that trap by the Shivities, they believe that when the Shiv finishes they will not have another of their to support, all great batsmen when their career at the international level is done will still dominate FC.

Everton and Clyde retired at 32 and 31 respectively in 57, they were the 2 of the best at test cricket, in fact Weekes scored over 500 in his last series. Desmond dominated regionals after he was dropped.

 
openning 2016-12-18 02:14:17 

In reply to tc1

Sometimes you need to let balls alone.
At Shiv's age, he should be having fun and making money like Gayle, Warne and others.

 
Kay 2016-12-18 02:37:33 

In reply to tc1

Don't fall in that trap by the Shivities, they believe that when the Shiv finishes they will not have another of their to support, all great batsmen when their career at the international level is done will still dominate FC.

Everton and Clyde retired at 32 and 31 respectively in 57, they were the 2 of the best at test cricket, in fact Weekes scored over 500 in his last series. Desmond dominated regionals after he was dropped.

What is the point you are trying to make? Me think this thread is about now and present performance

 
WICFan 2016-12-18 17:50:33 

If he's the top run scorer then the selectors have a headache to deal with.

They'll be hoping he either picks up a niggling injury or someone else makes a barrel load of runs.

 
Baje 2016-12-19 08:11:04 

How was Shiv dropped and we continued to select people who were performing no better, and never had the history of performance. It is not like we had these game changers waiting to take his place.

 
Devin 2016-12-19 08:55:36 

In reply to openning

What kind of money can Shiv make as a cricketer? He has no T20 value.

 
matchstick 2016-12-19 09:37:14 

In reply to Devin

No...

He can't just get top 3. he has to be miles ahead of the others.

Picking back shiv in the WI team will be short sighted since at most he can give probably 2 or 3 years.

In that time we can surely work on an existing player or someone who show potential this year in the team to benefit us for much more than 2 to 3 years.

The only scenario i can see shiv scoring boatloads of runs resulting in selection is if they say because of that they will pick him back for a proper retirement series. That would even be a stretch knowing what we know of the men in charge.

 
Narper 2016-12-19 09:45:27 

In reply to matchstick

Picking back shiv in the WI team will be short sighted since at most he can give probably 2 or 3 years.


Shiv wants 2 test matches to break Lara record...that is all de man want. That was all he asked Big PU-C and big belly Phil for....

 
matchstick 2016-12-19 09:53:26 

In reply to Narper

Shiv wants 2 test matches to break Lara record...that is all de man want.


Lol i would definitely not pick that selfish phuch for that then! cool

On a serious note with the door looking mostly closed on Samules there is some room in the batting for a bit of experience. Thats the last piece of reasoning i can see for shiv's return...

 
Narper 2016-12-19 09:57:18 

In reply to matchstick

Lol i would definitely not pick that selfish phuch for that then!

ALL batsmen think about records....ALL

Personal milestones is what keep players going

They may mouth differently...

Batsmen must have a selfish streak...otherwise they are of no use to a team.....personal runs always go to the team

 
CricketLuva4 2016-12-19 10:19:58 

In reply to Narper

Does he want to go back? Has he not implied that his participation in domestic cricket is to give back to Guyana cricket?

 
Runs 2016-12-19 10:46:07 

In reply to Narper

Man is selfish as per Adam Smith lol

 
matchstick 2016-12-19 12:32:40 

In reply to Narper

ALL batsmen think about records....ALL


Absolutely nothing wrong with that. Management should very much encourage that... AS LONG as it fits into the team objectives.

 
Brucie 2016-12-19 13:19:21 

Misbah ul Shiv?

 
Narper 2016-12-19 13:24:08 

In reply to Brucie

Shiv Ul Haq

 
Brucie 2016-12-21 19:00:47 

In reply to Narper

Shiv Ul Haq

Nah, he's definitely not built like Inzy!

 
googley 2016-12-22 12:44:17 

In reply to Narper

I watched Shiv bat today for his entire stay at the crease until end of play...even though it was a one camera video coverage...and regardless how potent the bowling was....I saw Shiv bat like a man 10 years younger than his age....he was moving down to wicket to play the spinners....he was driving...cutting..a very positive Shiv....taking singles...stealing singles....and obviously guiding his team mates....effortless 141*



there are only two possible scenarios, one is that Shiv is back at the top of his game as you pointed out, and deserves another chance. OR the level of cricket in WI has dropped so bad that even the out of form, lethargic can still kick ass!

either way, Shiv is knocking on the door.

 
Norm 2016-12-22 21:57:45 

In reply to googley

WI has dropped so bad that even the out of form, lethargic can still kick ass!

If Shiv is an "out of form lethargic" then what are the other "batsmen" in the Caribbean?

 
Norm 2016-12-22 21:57:45 

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