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Jimmy Adams blasts West Indies Cricket Board

 
Hanover 2016-12-18 14:26:58 

"It was going to come up eventually. The board has never shown the foresight for a sport that's moved so quickly into money being generated and therefore it's been the athlete that has had to carry the board in the modern era," said Adams.


http://www.caribbeannewsnow.com/caribnet/2005/03/09/blasts.shtml

What exactly ails West Indies cricket?

Well, it's a combination of several factors. No doubt the West Indies cricket team is no longer what it used to be in the 1970s and 1980s, or even in the 1990s for that matter. There is no dearth of talent. But the players, whether they are raw or experienced, require motivation to perform to the best of their ability. The West Indies Cricket Board (WICB) needs to motivate and encourage the players. Instead, we've had conflicts between the players and administrators. I've always maintained that there is a need for better and stronger leaders in the WICB.


http://www.rediff.com/cricket/report/interview-world-cup-didnt-help-windies-cricket-says-jimmy-adams/20100106.htm

 
tc1 2016-12-18 14:38:34 

In reply to Hanover

can u stop posting olde shoite as new.

 
Hanover 2016-12-18 14:49:20 

In reply to tc1

You came to that conclusion, because you did not fail to fall victim to surface thinking.
Jimmy Adams is now a member of the WICB. Adams’ decade old claim is more relevant today than it was in 2005.

 
WestDem 2016-12-18 14:49:46 

In reply to tc1

It's Gunnysacks business like this that ensure WI cricket never go forward... some mole always is planted to revisit history and stall progress!

 
WestDem 2016-12-18 14:52:48 

In reply to Hanover

Suh Jimmy Adams in 2005 is Jimmy Adams 2016? Why don't you give de man a chance to fail before you start this crap?

 
Hanover 2016-12-18 14:58:22 

In reply to WestDem

You are moving from an assumption!

Why should one wait on failure, before one evaluates a claim?

 
Hanover 2016-12-18 15:02:26 

In the past, Adams made public utterances about the WICB. Today, Adams is a member of the said WICB. The questions that we need to ask are simple: Does he (Adams) hold the same views of the WICB? If not, why not?

 
WestDem 2016-12-18 15:03:40 

In reply to Hanover

I was just responding to you claim about the relevance of your 2005 article to Jimmy being part of WICB in 2016. You do realize he is in a more authoritative position to make changes, right? He is not an easy target to be puppy fed...Pybus ring a bell to you?

 
tc1 2016-12-18 15:04:26 

In reply to Hanover

why u think that Jimmy is the Messiah?


Good points, we shall soon find out about the real Jimmy Adams as he was in the mix before and if his views are altered as he is now inside looking out.

 
Maispwi 2016-12-18 15:08:09 

In reply to WestDem

Well given dat de WICB said dat Simmons' independent thinking made him ideal for the job at his hiring and dat independence was instrumental in his firing any number can play.

 
WestDem 2016-12-18 15:13:30 

In reply to Maispwi

You forgetting one thing, Coach versus Director... it will take someone closer to the top to take control of WI cricket back to the people and I believe Jimmy would enforce the required changes . He is that smart... I always believe Hooper's judgement.

 
Hanover 2016-12-18 15:20:07 

In reply to WestDem

The approach we are taking allows for convolution rather than clarity.

Maybe, we should take a different approach.

First, I believe that Adams’ claim of 2005 is relevant in 2016. Do you believe otherwise?
Second, you mentioned Adams’ position in the WICB that will provide the opportunity for him to be an agent of change. However, a reasonable man can reasonably claim that, based on the historical effects and field of experience, one cannot discount the structure of the WICB.
Finally, I cannot speak to Adams being a puppy fed target or not.

 
jen 2016-12-18 15:24:30 

In reply to Hanover

You are looking at it wrong. If I criticize a board then go and work for them, it can mean that I've taken up the job to make change. Wait until you done see some part of Adams stint to know if he's the same or a changed man.

 
tc1 2016-12-18 15:31:47 

In reply to WestDem


He is that smart... I always believe Hooper's judgement
.



are you referring to cricket smart or academically book smart?

 
POINT 2016-12-18 16:01:14 

In reply to jen

With all due respect , this aint ALL
FOOLS DAY . I note that Adams stated this in 2005 . In my assessment what
he stated in 2005 was absolutely correct .

NOW THIS WAS 11 FREAKING YEARS AGO

WHAT HAS CHANGED THAT GIVES JIMMY

ADAMS & YOU THAT THE MINDSET OF THE

WICBC HAS CHANGED .

There was Coaches , the last being
Simmons and he was Fired , shortly
after he was put on probation for making an comment .

YOU & OTHERS WHO THINK LIKE YOU

OBVIOUSLY BELIEVE THAT TIGERS CAN

CAN CHANGE THEIR STRIPES ; BUT THAT

HAS NEVER EVER HAPPENED .

So if you and others believe that then I concluded that you & others are living in FANTASY ISLAND .

THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE

COMMISSIONED SEVERAL REPORTS AND

IGNORED THE SALIENT FEATURES OF THOSE

REPORTS .

In my opinion Adams now appears to be
a Chameleon because he has now changed his tune . Worse yet this now informs me and makes me believe that he lacks integrity ; since he is now
willing to align himself with those
he correctly railed against in 2005 .

 
POINT 2016-12-18 16:24:29 

In reply to Hanover

I applaud your link that aptly demonstrates that Jimmy Adams is utterly devoid of Personal Integrity
I am reminded of the very well known
adage :

" IF YOU LIE DOWN WITH DOGS

OBVIOUSLY YOU WILL GET FLEAS ".

I totally agree with your assessment ,Jimmy Adams now informs US that he
has now changed his opinion from what
he stated in 2005 . This demonstrates
that he lacks INTEGRITY .

The truth of the matter is that the People in the WICBC have for many years placed blame on the Players &
Coaches :

BUT NEVER EVER ON THEIR INCOMPETENCE

THEIR ARROGANCE ; STUPIDITY ; LACK OF

TRANSPARENCY & ACCOUNTABILITY .THEIR

ONLY GOAL IS SELF PRESERVATION ;

NOTHING ELSE MATTERS TO THEM .

 
WestDem 2016-12-18 17:27:55 

Dude, you and Hanover need to chill and hope just like all of us, you are posting the same crap over and over again and guess what? Hanover is a Fcuking spy for someone and is really not a regular here... check his posts from 2003 to now?

They just post here at their convenience to create political cricket trouble!

 
POINT 2016-12-18 18:01:20 

In reply to WestDem

The freaking question is this Dummy :

ARE THESE THE WORDS OF JIMMY ADAMS IN

2005 ; OR IS THIS FAKE NEWS ?????

My take is that what precisely happened that has caused Jimmy Adams
when he is suddenly Brainwashed , by the nefarious WICBC .

It would be nice if Jimmy Adams explain to the General Public , what
precisely made him suddenly have a
Saul on the Road to Damascus moment .

YOU apparently see to think that Hanover & I have no right to express
our views . The last I heard WE live
in Countries where persons are endowed , and have the Right to express their views . Now If you do not like that , Tough .

YOU delight in supporting a Group
of persons utterly devoid of Integrity , who for years now have
commissioned several Reports and rejected the salient Features of those Reports .

They have yet again commissioned another Report hoping that this latest Report would approve of their
maladministration ; their colossal
Arrogance ; their lack of Transparency ; and their refusal to
change their 1929 Structure .

 
POINT 2016-12-18 18:14:58 

In reply to WestDem


It is people of your Ilk why there is no freaking progress in West Indies
Cricket . All I want you to do is to
factually refute what I have continuously stated in this Forum .

IT IS ALWAYS THE PLAYERS OR THE

COACHES WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE

CURRENT STATE OF WEST INDIES CRICKET .

HELL , THEY HAVE CHANGED PLAYERS THEY

HAVE CHANGED PLAYERS , YET WE ARE

STILL INTERNATIONALLY AT OR NEAR THE

BOTTOM IN THE LONGER VERSIONS OF THE

GAME .


OBVIOUSLY THEN THE FREAKING FAULT

LIES WITH THOSE IN THE GOVERNANCE OF

CRICKET . WHICH THEY AND THEIR

LACKEYS LIKE YOU BLUNTLY REFUSE TO

ACKNOWLEDGE AND ADMIT .

 
openning 2016-12-18 19:06:42 

In reply to Hanover

You came to that conclusion, because you did not fail to fall victim to surface thinking.
Jimmy Adams is now a member of the WICB. Adams’ decade old claim is more relevant today than it was in 2005.


Do you know why Adams applied for the job?
Where you part of the interviewing process, to hear his views of cricket?
If you and Point were not part of the interveiwing process, why not wait to hear and witness the man in action.

Not everyone has a single agenda, Jimmy may think he can move the board to the 21th century, and that will be good.

 
POINT 2016-12-18 19:17:03 

In reply to Hanover

I hope that you are not cowed by the many Lackeys of the Worst International Cricket Board in the
Commonwealth , aka the WICBC .

Some of them are simply blinded by the
colossal Incompetence of the WICBC .
Others are supporting Cameron & Co
because they believe that Cameron is
omnipotent despite overwhelming evidence that Cameron & the Board have been & are overwhelming Failures .

Now those who refuse to believe this fact are seeing a Mirage or an Optical Illusion . I hope that you do
not give in to these Kool Aid Drinkers .

 
tc1 2016-12-18 19:17:46 

In reply to openning

or he just here for the 9-5

 
openning 2016-12-18 19:31:21 

In reply to tc1
When Phil got the job, I asked the board to give him time, to make the team his own.
Phil went done fighting to get his team.
I dont know Jimmy Adams, but I hope he remember this.


[quote]I've always maintained that there is a need for better and stronger leaders in the WICB.

"It was going to come up eventually. The board has never shown the foresight for a sport that's moved so quickly into money being generated and therefore it's been the athlete that has had to carry the board in the modern era,"
.

 
WestDem 2016-12-18 19:56:30 

In reply to POINT

I am a dummy, hmmm ! Now think, you have been rergurgitiang this and your fcuk for ages and what make you think you are in a better position than Jimmy?

 
tc1 2016-12-18 20:12:52 

In reply to openning

Phil went done fighting to get his team.



Or to reinstate his homies was his mandate.

he was arrogant to an insular board.

 
POINT 2016-12-18 22:03:44 

In reply to WestDem

It aint about what I have been continuously stating in this Forum for
over a Decade :

IT IS ABOUT WHETHER WHAT I STATE IS

TRUE OR FALSE . I AM VERY CONFIDENT

THAT WHAT I HAVE EVER STATED HERE CAN

NEVER BE REFUTED .


You and other Lackeys of the Worst
International Cricket Board in the
Commonwealth ; aka the WICBC can be
as Nasty as you want . You are all imprisoned by the Truth .

FOR DECADES THE WICBC HAS BAMBOOZLED

IDIOTS LIKE YOU , GO AND ASK ITS

MEMBERS WHY THEY BLUNTLY REFUSE TO

CHANGE THEIR 1929 STRUCTURE .

Evidently it seems that it is too much to ask the people in the WICBC
to change their 87 years old Structure ; to be a proper professional Board , exhibiting ,
Good Governance ; Transparency ; and
Accountability .

THOSE ARE NECESSARY QUALITIES FOR

ANY ORGANIZATION TO BE CONSIDERED AS

BEING A PROPER PROFESSIONAL ENTITY .

Sadly the people in the WICBC have
never ever exhibited that they know
or understand what is necessary to
have a well organized & operating
Organization .

THE PEOPLE IN THE WICBC HAVE

PERPETUALLY DEMONSTRATED THAT THE

ONLY THING THEY CARE ABOUT IS SELF

PRESERVATION . NOTHING ELSE MATTERS

TO THESE BIG IDIOTS .

 
POINT 2016-12-18 22:32:29 

I am always amazed by supposedly sane
persons being bamboozled by the Worst
International Cricket Board in the
Commonwealth .

My perspective is that only when the
current Structure of the WICBC is completely restructured , will there
be progress in West Indies Cricket .

Make absolutely no mistake :

IT IS ALSO IMPERATIVE THAT ALL THE

REGIONAL BOARDS MUST BE RESTRUCTURED

. ALL CRICKET BOARDS MUST BE AS I

HAVE CONTINUOUSLY STATED BE TOTALLY

TRANSPARENT. AND IN THEIR MISSION

STATEMENT , MUST CLEARLY HAVE

WRITTEN IN IT ACCOUNTABILITY & GOOD

GOVERNANCE .


Now I would like to know from the LACKEYS of the WICBC , what the Hell
they find odious in what I have stated above .

I find it very interesting that most of the so called Sports Journalists
in the Region for many years have given the WICBC a Free Pass . They
also need to be taken to task for
Cozying up to the WICBC & being silent regarding the WICBC & its Member Boards Maladministration of
Cricket in the Region .

 
WerlBoss 2016-12-19 06:49:55 

It's not just the board. The whole organization needs reshuffling. Players included. All those 'older boys' and their egos need to go and make room for the younger players who still play for the love of the game and not for the love of the money. The whole thing has gotten so commercialised that even the players don't seem to care anymore.

 
Raggs 2016-12-19 10:01:21 

Seems like Jimmy have haters already without even lifting a little finger...Surprise...Surprise.

 
POINT 2016-12-19 10:19:03 

In reply to Raggs

The point seems to have escaped your
senseabilities , so let me try again

IN 2005 JIMMY ADAMS WAS VERY CRITICAL

OF THE WORST INTERNATIONAL CRICKET

BOARD IN THE COMMONWEALTH , AKA THE

WICBC .

Precisely what has changed inside
the WICBC that has changed his thinking that he is now eagerly seeking to align himself with those
he was critical of since 2005 ?????

I would like YOU to answer the above , because , quite frankly in my opinion , changing his perspective of
the WICBC , without an iota of change
regarding the WICBC's modus operandi
informs me that Jimmy Adams lacks
authenticity ; since he has demonstrably informs me that he is
utterly devoid of Integrity .

 
POINT 2016-12-19 11:01:40 

THIS AINT REALLY ROCKET SCIENCE . I

SIMPLY WANT PERSONS TO FACTUALLY

STATE WHAT HAS CHANGED IN THE MODUS

MODUS OPERANDI OF THE WICBC FROM 2005

TO 2016 ?????


My take is that this is a very reasonable Question , that should be
answered . I personally do not think
that anything has changed in the way
the WICBC has operated for many years .

It still has its 1929 Structure basically intact . It still indulges
in Fights with its Employees . It is still populated by Arrogant People .
It still lacks Transparency ; Accountability ; & Good Governance .

Its members are still mainly interested in Self Preservation ; rather than the State of Cricket in the Region & the competitiveness of
our Players in the longer versions of
the game , in the International Cricket Arena .

 
Hanover 2016-12-19 12:48:53 

In reply to openning

Do you know why Adams applied for the job?
Where you part of the interviewing process, to hear his views of cricket?


What kind of damn stupid questions are you asking me?

I don’t know what school of reasoning you are applying, but one does not have to wait until the end before one can carry out an analysis.

You, Jen, and WestDem are betraying not only restricted reasoning to mutual exclusivity, but also a lack of an understanding of a priori approach to discourse. The funny thing, in all of this, is that you are not even incorporating the known facts into your though process.

 
Raggs 2016-12-19 14:33:00 

In reply to POINT

what has Jimmy Adams propose in his representation at the interview? What is his real motives to take the job? What is his objectives within his tenure?
When you have the knowledge to those questions then you can farm an argument. Otherwise yuh just a hater.

 
imusic 2016-12-19 14:57:16 

In reply to Raggs

what has Jimmy Adams propose in his representation at the interview? What is his real motives to take the job? What is his objectives within his tenure?

Do you know the answers?

If you don't, does that then just make you a Jimmy batty licker?

Raggs12/13/16 9:50:42 AM
In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

Adams would be deluding himself if he accepted to undertake all those challenges outlined here...setting himself up for a fall. Ask any of his predecessors.
as a director of cricket more than a cricket coach he may be able to produce real change. Nuh so?


Raggs12/13/16 8:48:17 AM

PLEASE ALLOW JIMMY TO DO HIS JOB....AH BEG YUH LOT! PLEASE!

 
Raggs 2016-12-19 15:02:33 

In reply to imusic

Check my record and my history on dis mb. I never condemn any man or appointment until he takes up the post or puts on the maroon cap. Until then i'm optimistic.

 
openning 2016-12-19 15:49:59 

In reply to Hanover

I don’t know what school of reasoning you are applying, but one does not have to wait until the end before one can carry out an analysis.


Dude that your opinion, base on the WICB's history, it is not an analysis.
You have not heard Jimmy's reasoning for excepting the position , yet you want to kick him under the bus.
Jimmy Adams know the WICB, he witnessed the firing of Otis and Phil, he as a player commented on the failures of the WICB and it deals with players.
I am of the opinion that Jimmy Adams laid out his vision during the interview, it is up to the WICB to follow thru with it.
If the coach and DOC are on the same page, DD and his directors will be up a creek.
Pybus was not a players person, and knew very little about managing players, his idea was to have a program and it must be followed by players.
You must get players to buy in to any program, senior players should be part of any decision making, in order for it to be successful.
I wish Jimmy and Law all the best as they take us through a rough patch.

 
Raggs 2016-12-19 15:53:04 

In reply to openning

Dude that your opinion, base on the WICB's history, it is not an analysis.
You have not heard Jimmy's reasoning for excepting the position , yet you want to kick him under the bus.
Jimmy Adams know the WICB, he witnessed the firing of Otis and Phil, he as a player commented on the failures of the WICB and it deals with players.
I am of the opinion that Jimmy Adams laid out his vision during the interview, it is up to the WICB to follow thru with it.
If the coach and DOC are on the same page, DD and his directors will be up a creek.
Pybus was not a players person, and knew very little about managing players, his idea was to have a program and it must be followed by players.
You must get players to buy in to any program, senior players should be part of any decision making, in order for it to be successful.
I wish Jimmy and Law all the best as they take us through, a ruff patch.
someone with true overstanding!

 
openning 2016-12-19 16:00:01 

In reply to Raggs

Point is clueless, so know need discussing any thing with him.
Hangover would had told Steve Job not to return to Apple.

 
Raggs 2016-12-19 16:01:11 

In reply to openning

Point is clueless, so know need discussing any thing with him.
Hangover would had told Steve Job not to return to Apple.
lol!

 
POINT 2016-12-19 17:18:30 

Since I started writing in this Forum , in 2003- I have seen absolutely nothing from those in
the governance of Cricket in the Region , to prevent me from being critical of them .

I am going to list here some of the
policies that the WICBC engaged in that were & are detrimental to West
Indies Cricket .

1. The WICBC commissioned several Reports , and failed to address the
salient features of those Reports .
Interestingly , the current Structure of the WICBC is 87 years old .

2. The WICBC rather than settle the
problem with the Players in the aborted Tour to India , decided to
cancel the Tour ; leaving their Hosts
with a mountain of Debt . This surely
cannot be construed as being the Acts
of Sane People .

3. The firing of Phil Simmons is but
another example of the WICBC's crass
Stupidity .

4. The WICBC has repeatedly demonstrated that it lacks inter personal skills ; Evidently its members need to read Dale Carnegie's
book :
" HOW TO WIN FRIENDS &

INFLUENCE PEOPLE. "

5. The Saga of Pollard's 20% Fee .
The President of the WICBC , Dave Cameron , stated that there was an
agreement regarding the 20% Fee .This
was debunked by a statement from both Cricket Australia & Cricket South Africa . In essence Cameron told an
untruth .

6. Then came the matter regarding Darren Bravo ; who was told by Cameron that he had previously had
an A level Contract . When the Truth
is that Bravo never had a A- level
Contract . This demonstrated the fact
that Cameron was in error when he stated that Bravo had an A - Level Contract . In my opinion the onus was
on Cameron to know the facts regarding what level Contract Bravo
had before stating that Bravo had an
A-level Contract .

As I have stated elsewhere in this Forum , Both Cameron & Bravo need to
apologize to each other .

Now what I have stated here simply aint a Figment of my imagination sadly the Lackeys of the WICBC in this Forum relish defending the indefensible .

It seems that the WICBC Lackeys in this Forum are out Caroling , singing
" SILENT NIGHT " , continuously ; probably this is why they cannot show
up here to defend the Worst International Cricket Board in the
Commonwealth . They can run but they sure as Hell cannot Hide .

 
openning 2016-12-20 01:03:52 

In reply to POINT

It seems that the WICBC Lackeys in this Forum are out Caroling , singing
" SILENT NIGHT " , continuously ; probably this is why they cannot show
up here to defend the Worst International Cricket Board in the
Commonwealth . They can run but they sure as Hell cannot Hide


Dude, how many time you want to sell the same thing to the same market?
We had been in your choir from day one, yet you think if we hve other issues we disagree with you.
Bro, take your agenda to Twitter, Facebook or any other MB, to get another market, because your returns continue to be marginal..

 
shivnotout 2016-12-20 09:20:18 

In reply to WestDem

Why don't you give de man a chance to fail before you start this crap?


de man have a hangover.gave he a chance nah lol

 
POINT 2016-12-20 09:32:49 

I would like people in this Forum to cite how & when they believe the Worst
International Cricket Board in the
Commonwealth , aka the WICBC has changed its modus operandi , so that
it dovetails with what Jimmy Adams correctly stated in 2005 .

In YOUR analysis , please take into
consideration the fact that the WICBC
has not changed its Structure since
1929 . So what magical formulae does
the 2016 Jimmy Adams bring to the table , that would magically transform the People in the WICBC .

I am reminded of the well known adage

" YOU CANNOT TEACH

OLD DOGS NEW TRICKS ."

Jimmy Adams , possibly believes that
he has the magic Formula , I however
am very sceptical that his Formula
will work . Especially since the people in the WICBC have bluntly refused to change its Structure , despite commissioning several Reports
which salient Features it has totally ignored .

This is precisely the point I am making . WE are perpetually trying to
spin a Top in Mud . Yet some believe
that one day , it would be possible to actually spin a top in Mud . I wish them Luck .

 
Baje 2016-12-20 09:57:18 

In reply to Hanover

Maybe Jim my believes that this WICB has the better and stronger leadership that he was looking for.

 
Baje 2016-12-20 10:00:57 

In reply to jen
Or it mean thato the board I now see is different from 11 years ago and the leadership I have been hoping for

 
POINT 2016-12-20 17:58:05 

In reply to Baje

Look the WICBC has bluntly refused to
change its current Structure which is
87 years old . My take is that its members aint about to change their modus operandi for anyone ; not even
Jimmy Adams ; who apparently believes
that HE is an exception .

That aint going to work ; in my opinion , because there are always
in essence moving Parts , with the WICBC . Personnel getting Fired etc
may undermine the ability of Adams to
make Progress .

The people in the WICBC are the biggest Drama Kings in Modern Cricket
History ; apparently they relish this;
because they continuously do this to
satisfy their Oversized Egos .

 
POINT 2016-12-20 18:11:20 

In reply to openning

FYI , I intend to sell what I have been peddling for over a decade ; until it is bought , so get used to it .

It is interesting , that the WICBC
has been selling the people in the Region its same Crap for decades . I have not heard or read that you have taken umbrage to the WICBC peddling
bad governance ; lacking transparency & lacking Accountability .

I promise that if & when the WICBC
becomes a model Cricket Board , fully
Transparent , Accountable & steeped in Good Governance . I will cease being critical of the WICBC .

 
openning 2016-12-20 18:15:04 

In reply to POINT

One of the directors is on the Mason show, call in and express your grievance
Let the world air Point.
BTW, it finish in 45 minutes, so you have time.

 
POINT 2016-12-20 19:50:01 

In reply to openning

Thanks for the reminder of Mason & Guests . However why would I call in the Mason & Guests show , when it is likely that I will be cut off , without even uttering foul language or defaming anyone ??????.

In addition , the show is mainly geared to Barbadian Cricket Fans , I do not have a problem with that , because I am not a Bajan . Very seldom , in my opinion ,are the colossal Ills of the WICBC Addressed .
What is needed in the Region are persons with the Testicular Fortitude
to be very critical of the WICBC .
My take is that stating the WICBC has
not change its current Structure for
87 years - which is True can be considered as being defamatory .

Neither is stating that the WICBC lacks Transparency & Accountability despite these being factual . I will
maintain that most of the persons in the Region who claim to be Sports Journalists have failed the Region , by not being critical of Cameron & Co. Obviously they have been emasculated by the WICBC .