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Was it Roy Gilchrist, Holding, Roberts, Patterson, Hall, Griffiths, Croft, Martindale, Ambrose, Marshall or someone else? Someone who has seen most of them... which one had the sheer pace to top the list?

In reply to solidrock

Castro

Patrick Patterson

In reply to Kay

They also believe he disappeared because he never recovered from the way he was treated by the West Indies Cricket Board.

Consistent high speed maybe Patto, Holding, Hall, Fidel...but there are guys who at certain times can produce extreme pace in a particular spell. For example Sylvester, Wayne Daniel, Roberts, Macco. Can't speak about Griffith or Gilchrist but the word on de street is that dey was real fast too.

Remember one day at Kensington Wayne Phillips square cut Garner for six. For de next couple of overs Big Bird was flying just as fast as anything Holding could send down...he hit Phillips about two or three times in de chest. When fast bowlers get pissed they can really crank up the velocity

In reply to Oilah

in 1968 when England toured the WI Sobers was bowling faster than Hall or Griffith, both were carrying injuries or at the tail of their careers, the G-man had some real pace.

In reply to Oilah

R

And thats the difference between Kemar, and other fast bowlers.
He seem so passive, not wanting to move the batsman head back, I for one would like to see him bowl a few bouncers

In reply to navindesigns

This is the same institution,with the same M.O and structure that fans want cricketers to pledge allegiance to..wtf are the players?

Stupid or blind??

In reply to openning

Roach was quite hostile when he first came on the scene. He had some ding dong battles with Ponting in particular. Kemar is working his way back

In reply to tc1

Funny you say that...my father told me that Sobers could bowl a delivery as fast as Hall and Griffith but not consistently.

In reply to openning

Roach short, even when he was cranking it up real quick, his fuller deliveries was always the wicket takers. Seen Watson creme some serious pull shot in Roach rass when he was hitting 150KPH.

Bishop

In reply to Oilah

Your father is correct!!!!

In reply to navindesigns

How did the Board treat him?

I think the young Ian Bishop before the back injury

In reply to Raggs

I never really saw much of the pre injury Bishop...I rememember around 1990 there was a low scoring test series Pakistan v Windies in Pakistan... Wasim and Waqar were the pace bowlers for Pakistan and Ambrose, Walsh and Bishop were the pace attack for Windies.... At that time Wasim and Waqar were very quick but Pakistan captain Imran Khan was of the opinion that Bishop was quickest bowler in that series.... he must have been very quick indeed.

Croft was quick

Holding

In reply to Runs

When he could be bothered he was.... very quick !

In reply to Runs

lesline lambert.

In reply to jcveletta

True promising bowler he was

Patterson Thompson was reputed to be really fast. Was he?

SAW THIS ON YOUTUBE

Sylvester Clarke

I would say Michael Holding in general would be considered to be the fastest we ever produced. why? Reel footage and being the quickest in our era of greatest helps him to the title. The greats against us always gives him that title. Boycott/Imran Khan/ Botham all said he was.
But I saw Ian Bishop on debut and it would take something truly special to be quicker than that.

In reply to Raggs

On his first tour to england, Bishop was bowling 90 plus mph leg breaks. Commentators, not to mention the opposition, were flabbergasted

ALWAYS REMEMBER THIS SPELL VS ROBIN SMITH

Nasty stuff from Bish & Walsh. Not very Christian of Bish

In reply to navindesigns

SO WHAT'S NEW ? THE MODUS OPERANDI

HAS NOT CHANGED .

Unless there is a Complete restructuring of the Regional Boards
and the Worst International Cricket
Board in the Commonwealth , aka the
WICBC .

There is not going to be any change
in the way the WICBC conducts
its Maladministration of Cricket in
the Region .Unless the Regional Governments put the Members of the
WICBC in a Law Court .

Hell , the WICBC is operating with a Structure that is 87 Freaking Years OLD ; and the people in the WICBC have absolutely no intention of giving up their Security Blanket ,the
current Structure .

In reply to Oilah


Yes, indeed, Gary was very quick

In reply to tc1

Wunna remember Bish brek down and neva tell de county

In reply to che


from what i read he was awesome

In reply to tc1

Ambrose gotz called for pelting dem call Bish tuh???

There was a guy from Antigua name Vaughn "Hungry" Walsh. He could bowl a heavy ball. His arms were very long.

castro not a ridiculous shout - remember him bowling upto 95mph in SA.

roy guilchrist - half man and such a mindset could make you pretty quick to release the ball with the intention to explode at the other end of the wicket.

In reply to Raggs

Fastest I saw were

Patto
Croft
Bish

In reply to imusic
Blinding spells of pace!

I watched him bowl from the late 70's (YES) - late 80's then he got selected in the 90's and promptly tried to bowl at the speed of light - missing any target set....

He was very very fast as a teenager - in domestic cricket his avg was very good with many 5fers, 6fers, 7fers - ending with a Domestic bowling avg of about 16 runs per wicket.

Pace like fire.... then total and complete disaster/inaccuracy at Test cricket level. Also he had fitness issues which may have altered his path...

Nice guy. pilot.

In reply to pelon

Thanks

Wayne Daniel used to have men runnin at U19 level. He was seriously quick and MEAN

Even MEANER and sneaky fast was Sylvester Clarke. Not much of a run up but DAMN....that ball would explode.

Winston Davis when he first came on the scene was fairly rapid as well. Sad about his injury

On the opposite end of the spectrum, we have the slowest west indian "fast bowlers"

I think Cameron Cuffy took the cake here. Jason Holder in the convo. As is Dwight Washington

In reply to Bigzinc

fastest i've seen with the naked eye. Malcolm Marshall from side on. All I saw was Jeff Dujon holding his gloves up and a loud thunder sound echoing around the ground then Dujon threw the ball to Viv at first slip.

In reply to pelon

Yes Patterson Thompson as a schoolboy was frighteningly quick. I remember seeing him in the nets for I think it was combined schools at Harrison College. Maybe the fastest bowling I ever saw from a high school boy. Patterson is also a very nice guy.

In reply to imusic... he became a Christian after.

In reply to imusic

Dat was the second coming of Cuffy. He was seriously fast a la Nixon McLean.

De Dentist Maynard got his name from rearranging a few mouths

In reply to Maispwi

Thanks. Wasn't aware of the initial item. Only remembered Cuffy as slow but extremely economical. A good foil for Merv Dillon.

The 2 of them had the misfortune of rebuilding the WI fast bowling corps practically on their own after then retirement of Ambrose and Walsh. Proved too much of an ask with no one really to guide them.


I also heard about the Dentist but never saw him in action.

BTW.....Shannon Gabriel is also pretty sharp. Jermaine Lawson was also quite quick as well. Frighten a few Aussies in the Caribbean

In reply to imusic

Cuffy was quick before his injury...same could be said of corey

washy and jason were always slow

Pace like fyah

Jeffrey Dujon, who would have seen many of those in the discussion up close, has told me that Patrick Patterson was "the fastest bowler he ever kept to in his entire career".....

I respect his opinion..

Perhaps a (new) thread should be made about our "best" or "most economical" or "most lethal" fast bowlers.

Tony Gray would definitely make this list. He was touted as the "new" Joel Gardner. He was extremely tall, rangy, and posted ridiculously economical numbers for a fast bowler. Unfortunately, his career was short due to numerous injuries but his impact was never forgotten.

Very good article about Tony Gray

In reply to DukeStreet

Unlucky was certainly Tony Gray. I do remember him making quite an impact at Surrey County team.

Manny Martindale.

Google can't help unnu with his actual speed.

But consider this referenced ole timer tale.

One of his rockets took an Englishman's cap in tow all the way to the thirdman boundary.

BTW... Those were the old time heavy felt caps that didn't fall off in every little breeze.

In reply to Tagwa1


the English embellish everything English!

In reply to camos

Well they also would have diminished in this case.

Manny was Barbadian?

The ole timer...also Bajan.

Martindale was Barbadian.

Next time you see de ole timer (if still alive) ask him about Foffie, another Bajan fastbowler.

When I was small I asked my grandparents who was our fastest bowler ever and the reply was Manny Martindale so for me as a child he WAS the fastest

Just checked his test stats...10 matches 37 wickets at 21.72 with a strike rate of 43.3...VERY impressive