Not diplomacy.
Point will not find this easy to accept but once Antigua is satisfied CARICOM is moot or muted.
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This Dave Cameron Knows Politics
In reply to Headley
So in essence Your thinking is that
One Country has more power than other Countries . Obviously this run contrary the Democratic Principles .
Now let me throw out a few questions
for you and others to answer :
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE WORST
INTERNATIONAL CRICKET BOARD IN THE
COMMONWEALTH , AKA THE WICBC HAS BEEN
FOR YEARS & NOW GOOD STEWARDS OF
CRICKET IN THE REGION ??????
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE WICBC IN ITS
GOVERNANCE OF CRICKET IN THE REGION
ADHERES TO THE BEST PRINCIPLES OF
GOOD GOVERNANCE ?????
WHY IS IT THAT THE WICBC UTTERLY
REFUSES TO CHANGE ITS 87 YEARS OLD
STRUCTURE ?????
CAN IT BE SAID THAT THE WICBC
IS TRANSPARENT ; ACCOUNTABLE ; AND
ALWAYS EXERCISES GOOD GOVERNANCE ????
WHAT IS YOUR OPINION OF ANY ENTITY
THAT COMMISSIONED SEVERAL REPORTS
AND THEN TOSSED THOSE REPORTS ASIDE
WITHOUT IMPLEMENTING THE SALIENT
FEATURES OF THOSE REPORTS ??????
In my opinion for many years now the
People in the WICBC have bamboozled
the People in the Region into thinking that it is going to undergo restructuring . But it was just a cruel Hoax .
BTW , I DARE YOU OR ANYONE TO
FACTUALLY DISPUTE ANYTHING THAT I
HAVE STATED ABOVE . IT AINT ABOUT
POLITICS ; IT IS ABOUT THE WICBC
BEING ONLY INTERESTED IN SELF
PRESERVATION ; RATHER THAN EXERCISING
GOOD GOVERNANCE .
If the Regional Governments are really interested in saving Cricket in the Region , then take both the
ICC & the WICBC to Court , and let them explain their respective roles
regarding
EXERCISING GOOD GOVERNANCE IN THEIR
RESPECTIVE CAPACITIES .
In reply to POINT
There are a lot of things I do not like about the WICB. There are a few things I like. For example I like the contracts for the 105 Regional players. Wavell Hinds deserve a lot of credit for WIPA's role.
I have no friends or contacts at the WICB but if there were a choice between the Regional politicians and the WICB the clear choice would be the WICB.
You can face reality (the WICB is a private entity) or you can stay outside of the Region and sprout pieties.
Dave Cameron is woefully short in many areas but he seems to be a good politician.
In reply to Headley
The Contract that You cited was also done to dilute the power that the International Players had .
BUT YOU STILL AINT ANSWER MY QUESTIONS
THIS INFORMS ME THAT YOU ARE JUST
LIKE THE OTHER WICBC's LACKEYS IN
THIS FORUM . TELL ME WHERE IN WHAT I
HAVE STATED IS FALSE .
Let me again repeat for your benefit what I stated after the aborted Tour
of India in this Forum .
I URGED THE PLAYERS WHO OPTED OUT OF
WIPA , TO COLLECTIVELY SEEK THE BEST
LAW FIRM DEALING WITH CONTRACTS TO
REPRESENT THEM IN ALL THEIR
TRANSACTIONS WITH THE WICBC .
Now my take was & is that by doing this would cost them individually less money than each of them individually getting their own Lawyer .
Obviously doing this Collectively would have , & can demonstrate a United Front . Now I have no idea if
Players read this Forum . I do not
believe that my advice was heeded .
If what I stated was in place, I believe that the recent episodes regarding Pollard & Bravo would have
possibly been avoided . I am a firm
believer in the adage :
" UNITY IS STRENGTH "
THE ISSUE AINT ABOUT WHO IS FOR OR
AGAINST THE WICBC , IT IS AS I HAVE
STATED , ABOUT GOOD GOVERNANCE . AND
THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT THAT
FOR DECADES THE WICBC HAS FAILED TO
EXERCISE GOOD GOVERNANCE . THIS IS
PRECISELY WHY THE REGIONAL BOARDS &
THE WICBC MUST BE COMPLETELY
RESTRUCTURED . HALFWAY MEASURES AINT
GOING TO WORK .
In reply to Headley
He is surely a politician
BTW, the WICB has Stakeholders, but no Shareholders.
In reply to Headley
For example I like the contracts for the 105 Regional players. Wavell Hinds deserve a lot of credit for WIPA's role.
I seriously doubt if you would support the same if the WIPA head were not Jamaican.
In reply to Khaga
Wow , you knock the hell out of Headley
In reply to tc1
I thought you would know better. I probably gave you too much credit.
In reply to openning
Check it carefully.
In reply to POINT
Are you aware that the WICB is a private entity? In layman's terms it is an incorporated body where the shares are privately owned.
Now that the WICB and the Government of Antigua are 'collaborating' closely with joint financial interests which outsider is going to 'completely restructure the WICB' as you suggest?
In reply to openning
the 6 regional boards are the shareholders. Can you have a for profit corporation without shareholders?
In reply to camos
They own stocks in the WICB?
Think before answering
In reply to openning
I am sure they do,if not they, who owns the stocks?
The six regional boards are the owners jointly of the WICB
One thing I know for sure , is that the WICBC aint own Cricket in the Region .
THE BCCI THOUGHT IT OWNED CRICKET IN
INDIA , UNTIL THE SUPREME COURT OF
INDIA VERBALLY SLAPPED ITS OFFICIALS .
THE JUDGES IN INDIA STATED IN NO
UNCERTAIN TERMS THAT THEY DID NOT
OWN CRICKET IN INDIA , THEY ARE ONLY
THE STEWARDS OF CRICKET IN INDIA .
This also applies to the WICBC . It
seems that some in this Post believe
that being a Private Entity means that Mediocrity must reign Supreme .
I cannot subscribe to that B..S..T.
The point I am making is that the
BCCI found it self in a Law Court being verbally slapped around by Judges .
Private or not the WICBC Officials
can one day find themselves in a Law
Court , for bamboozling the General
Public , by commissioning several
Reports and not integrating the findings of these Reports into its
87 years old Structure .
Tell me how many freaking Cricket Grounds the WICBC owns ; How many
Police Forces ; does it own . Like
the BCCI the WICBC is only the Steward of Cricket in the Region .
It is exceedingly asinine to suggest
that the fact that the WICBC is a
Private Entity that allows its Members to be Nasty ; Arrogant People
who are absolutely not interested in
TRANSPARENCY ; ACCOUNTABILITY ; &
GOOD GOVERNANCE . IT IS ONLY
INTERESTED SELF PRESERVATION .
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE MATTERS TO
THE PEOPLE IN THE WICBC . THEY HAVE
DEMONSTRATED THIS FACT FOR DECADES .
DOES ANYONE HERE DISPUTE THIS FACT
?????
The Governments need to crack down on the WICBC . It seems that the Politicians in the Region have lost their Testicular Fortitude . I am
reminded of the adage :
" THERE ARE MORE THAN ONE WAY
TO SKIN A CAT " .
87 FREAKING YEARS WITH THE SAME
FREAKING STRUCTURE . WORSE YET THEY
ARE HELL BENT ON KEEP THEIR 1929
STRUCTURE INTACT .
The reason why they bluntly refuse to
change the Structure , is due to this fact :
IT ALLOWS THE MEMBERS OF THE WICBC
TO BE NOT TRANSPARENT ; ACCOUNTABLE ;
AND PLEDGE TO EXERCISE GOOD
GOVERNANCE .
WORSE YET IT HAS THE SUPPORT OF THE
INTERNATIONAL CRICKET CABAL aka ,
THE ICC , AN ORGANIZATION
THAT RECENTLY ALLOWED 3 OF ITS
MEMBERS ; ENGLAND ; AUSTRALIA ; &
INDIA TO TAKE MOST OF ITS PROFITS .
Obviously this matter , has reduced
the Integrity of the ICC , to the level of the FIFA & IOC SCANDALS .
In my opinion the manner in which the
current Chairman of the ICC was elected , is astounding .
In reply to Headley
With all due respect your statement about Antigua is pure unadulterated
B...S..T. As far as I am aware Antigua
aint the whole West Indies .
Perhaps in your mind it is , but it
aint . So then let the WICBC play all its matches in Antigua .
In reply to POINT
INDIA , UNTIL THE SUPREME COURT OF
INDIA VERBALLY SLAPPED ITS OFFICIALS .
THE JUDGES IN INDIA STATE IN NO
UNCERTAIN TERMS THAT THEY DID NOT
OWN CRICKET IN INDIA , THEY ARE ONLY
THE STEWARDS OF CRICKET IN INDIA
Think of what you wrote, you really think the Indian law are the same as the British laws, when dealing with sports or human rights?
Just have a look at other countries, The Middle East, Pakistan to name a few.
I stay far away from comparing Indian laws to British laws, because I have not study them.
In reply to openning
so who owns the WICB shares?
In reply to camos
Man, I don't know, never look at the entity like Apple or Suncour stocks.
In reply to POINT
This may be lost on you but it's worth a try.
If YOU plan to go
on a LONG JOURNEY
you can't just look
at your DESTINATION.
YOU also have to LOOK
at your POINT of
ORIGIN.
Hope YOU GET the POINT.
In reply to Headley
Cameron seems like the best politician in the region. Trump-like manner of assuming control then everyone forced to follow his lead whether you like him or not.
In reply to Slipfeeler
Yep not a likeable fellow but for now he seems to be getting his way - just like Trump. The WICB under his presidency has done some good things but their approach lacks finesse and engagement.
The closeness he has fashioned with the current Antigua administration is likely to lead to some conflicts of interest and I will not be surprised if eventually it gets much worse. I have mentioned above that having Antigua on his side disarms CARICOM. Point does not appreciate that CARICOM only works by consensus, so if Antigua is not in support there can be no further action.
In reply to Headley
Yep--Like a politician his Machiavellian style do not sit well with a lot of people/organizations in the region but, he has been effective albeit crude and lacking finesse. Effective nonetheless..
Point just love to write BS.
LET ME RECOMMEND TO MY CRITICS THAT
THEY READ IN THIS FORUM THE POST
REGARDING THE SUPREME COURT OF INDIA
REMOVING THE PRESIDENT OF THE BCCI &
ITS SECRETARY .
I am sure that the BCCI thinks of itself as a Private Entity . So please
explain to me what power the Court
has to remove the President of the
BCCI . The Supreme Court also placed
other Strictures on Members of the
BCCI .
Last year I stated in this very Forum
what the Supreme Court of India told
the BCCI in Court , when the BCCI
was in Court :
"YOU DO NOT OWN CRICKET IN INDIA YOU
ARE ONLY THE STEWARDS OF CRICKET IN
INDIA ".
Now the Structure of the BCCI is very similar to the WICBC , they do not own any Cricket Grounds in India . So
the question is this , regarding Cameron is this :
DOES CAMERON KNOW HOW TO BAMBOOZLE
THE COURTS IN THE REGION ?????
In reply to Headley
Not an original idea. Barbados already had players under contact and found a way to fund it. WICB has to find new revenue streams to grow the game in the region. 50 over format is supposed to a commercially viable product yet WICB cannot find a sponsor or put bums on seats.
In reply to rubberd
why don't you introduce a sponsor and charge a finder's fee?
In reply to camos
Need a MARKETABLE PRODUCT and guarantees that the best players will play and home/away games. This zone sh-t means the fans are deprived of the opportunity to see and support their Home talent.
In reply to openning
Most of the Laws in the Commonwealth
Countries are based on English Law .
You need to think before writing Stupidness .
When the case between DIGICEL ; Stanford & the WICBC was ultimately
determined by the PRIVY COUNCIL .
Obviously this makes your belief
moot .
FYI , a large part of the Laws in America are based on English Law .
In English Speaking Countries the
Magna Carta is held in great esteem .
It was originally issued by King John in 1215 ; and established for the first time that :
EVERYONE INCLUDING THE KING WAS
SUBJECT TO THE LAW . THIS REINFORCES
MY PERSPECTIVE THAT THE HIGH & MIGHTY
AINT ABOVE THE LAW .
Regardless of whether it is a Private
or Public Entity . The BCCI believed
in the HOCUS POCUS that they were above the Law until the Supreme Court
of India verbally slapped the Officials of the BCCI , and then to
add insult to Injury , removed the
President and the Secretary of the
BCCI .
Worse yet , there aint one blasted
thing that the people in the BCCI can do to change what the India Supreme Court did . So much for those who believe that they are omnipotent .
If the people in the WICBC have any iota of brains they would pay attention to what has happened to the
BCCI OFFICIALS IN INDIA . News these
days travels with the speed of Light , so by now most people in the Region are fully aware of the Supreme Court
of India putting the WICBC under Heavy Manners .
In essence this Aura & Myth perpetrated by the the International
Cabal that Governments cannot intervene in Cricket is just B...S...
Frankly when the Guyana Government took the GCB to Court , I expected that the ICC & the WICBC would have
put in appearance to support the GCB . Sadly they both were MIA .
It was then I realized that the ICC
& the WICBC do not possess as much power as they lead people to believe . Obviously if there was a case against the ICC in a Law Court , because it failed to ensure that the
WICBC adhere to all the Principles of
Good Governance :
ITS OFFICIALS WILL HAVE TO APPEAR IN
COURT TO STATE WHY THEY HAVE BEEN
DERELICT IN THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO
ENSURE THAT ONE OF ITS MEMBERS NAMELY
THE WICBC IS NOT EXERCISING &
ADHERING TO THE PRINCIPLES OF GOOD
GOVERNANCE .
In reply to POINT
Please explain the British law for a corporation and a proprietorship
Can any court in the Commonwealth, fine the WICB for not restructuring?
For Decades the WICBC has commissioned
several Reports , and then rejected
the salient Features of those Reports . Now this is a Fact , not Fiction .
The WICBC , has not been Transparent ;
it has not been Accountable , and it
has not exercised Good Governance .
Now this also is a Fact not Fiction .
In addition what I have stated above
this is not a secret , it is Public Knowledge . Any sensible Person will
conclude that because :
THE WICBC BY COMMISSIONING SEVERAL
REPORTS & THEN IGNORING THE SALIENT
FEATURES OF THOSE REPORTS , IT CAN BE
CONSTRUED THAT THE PEOPLE IN THE
WICBC ONLY COMMISSIONED THOSE REPORTS
TO ATTEMPT BAMBOOZLING THE PEOPLE IN
THE REGION INTO BELIEVING THAT THEY
INTEND CHANGING THEIR 87 YEARS OLD
STRUCTURE WHEN IN FACT THEY HAVE
ABSOLUTELY NO INTENTION OF DOING
THAT.
In reply to openning
The fact that the WICBC is a Private Entity does not mean that it can shelve being Transparent ; Accountable ; and not exercising Good Governance
of Cricket in the Region .
Perhaps you are of the opinion that
these are TRITE things ; I however do
not nor cannot share that perspective .Many People in a vain attempt to shield those in the WICBC , are scurrying around , changing Coaches , changing Players etc .
When in fact the TRUTH is hiding in plain sight . The Real Problem is that the WICBC is a Mess , and that is putting it mildly . It is ALL about SELF PRESERVATION , in my opinion ,Nothing else matters to the People in the WICBC .
In reply to POINT
I am not a lawyer, have only taken basic law courses as a business, Hospitality management, CMA and realtor student.
Though courses were all British law and basic.
I understood my liabity as a Reator, my Vicarious liability as a manager in the Hospitality Industry.
I would not come on this MB, pretending I know The Indian laws, and if Caricom can use it as a precedent
In reply to openning
I am not a Lawyer either , but it is obvious to me that any Entity that is
in the Stewardship of a Public Sport
must adhere the the Principles of Good
Governance .
Perhaps you believe that it is fine and Dandy that in 2017 , the WICBC has
bluntly refused to change its 1929
Structure . Hell WE are living in the
21st Century .
The very last Report , stated in clear unambiguous terms that the WICBC should be abolished . On that
Commission , were members of the WICBC , and an eminent Judge .
You apparently refuse to acknowledge that all of the Reports so far have
stated that there needs to be restructuring of the WICBC .
AGAIN THIS IS A FACT NOT FICTION .
Some years ago , I decided to look in Wikipedia regarding the formation of
International Cricket Boards . The
BCCI & the WICBC in my opinion , are
similar in Structure . They both do not own Cricket Grounds . They both also share the trait of being very
Arrogant .
I also learned that on 4 SEPARATE OCCASIONS ; the President of Pakistan Fired the Pakistan Cricket Board for Malfeasance .
On each of these four occasions , the
President of Pakistan APPOINTED a
Chairman , & an Ad Hoc Committee to
run Cricket in Pakistan until there was Elections for new Officers to the
Pakistan Cricket Board .
So in essence what I learned is that
Governments cannot run Cricket Forever . They however can step in when there are serious Irregularities. That also happened in
Guyana , where I expected to see the
ICC & the WICBC , appearing on behalf
of the GCB , but they were not there .
Obviously if a majority of the Governments decided to bring a Case
against the WICBC in Court , the WICBC will have to appear in Court .
If they refuse , the Judge or Judges
can issue Bench Warrants to compell its Officials to appear in Court .
Let me again state that the Magna Carta stated since 1215 that NO ONE
not even the King / Queen is above the Law .
In reply to POINT
in the Stewardship of a Public Sport
must adhere the the Principles of Good
Governance
Point, I am a fan, not a shareholder.
I don't buy season tickets to any West Indies game, but as a fan will go home during an International tour.
None of my family goes to games, but they know I am a fan
The WICB is a monopoly, has no competition.
In reply to rubberd
We are long past the ideas stage.
Where were you?
In reply to Headley
Rubberd's point is still relevant. If you want to give kudos to Wavell orCameron for providing income to the additional 105 you have to address the method they chose to do it. If they had robbed a bank to do so you wouldn't want to give them credit for that, would you?
The point is that Barbados found a means to give substantive contracts to its first class level cricketers, supported by a national lottery. It is surely feasible that through the combination of a regional lottery and effective management (leading to generation of sponsor confidence) that the pain inflicted on test cricketers in particular could have been mitigated, thereby retaining the achievement of test cricket selection as a major incentive for the same 105 cricketers to continue to hone their skills in striving for excellence.
In reply to Headley Now Cameron has gone and bought off the Antigua government at great expense to WICB with money that could have again been used to enhance the incentive to play cricket.
In reply to POINT
Does the Supreme court own cricket?
In reply to Logic
where were you when WICB was spending all that money in Bim? as a matter of fact it still spends a large amount there?
In reply to Khaga
IN INDIA IT DOES , AND YOU KNOW THAT ;
THIS IS WHY IT REMOVED THE PRESIDENT
& THE SECRETARY OF THE BCCI , MEDITATE
ON THIS FREAKING FACT .
In reply to openning
Having a Monopoly , does not exempt
that Entity , from adhering to ALL
the Principles involved in GOOD
GOVERNANCE .
Now if you believe that Monopolies
have an inherent Right to do whatever
they want , then YOU are a bigger Fool than I thought .
Because YOU are insinuating that ALL
Monopolies are beyond the reach of
the Law , and that is nothing more than pure unadulterated B... S...
The BCCI believed in that B.S until
recently when the India Supreme Court lowered the Boom on the BCCI ; by
removing the President & the Secretary from their responsibilities
in the BCCI .
So you can still believe in the nonsense that YOU spout about Monopolies being a Law unto themselves . Perhaps you believe that
the removal of the President of the BCCI & its Secretary is a Mirage , but I know that they aint in the BCCI
ANYMORE .
In reply to POINT
Any dog or human can sue, even you can sue the WICB for having the same structure and non making changes or restructuring.
The ball is in your court, because, instead of writing daily, do something about it
In reply to openning
Dummy , being critical of the WICBC IS
DOING SOMETHING . YOU may not think so
however I beg to differ .
The WICBC is an Entity devoid of Transparency ; Accountability & Good
Governance . Do You care to dispute this ???
The WICBC Commissioned several Reports and then ignored the salient
features of the Reports it Commissioned .
So then what exactly was the purpose
of commissioning those Reports ???
especially since the WICBC had absolutely no intention of implementing any changes to its Structure ????
My take is that by doing nothing regarding implementing the changes recommended by these Reports demonstrates that the WICBC perpetrated a Cruel Hoax on the
People of the Region .
In reply to POINT
That is similar to you posting, doing nothing.
Has anyone for the media contacted you?
Has anyone from any government agency contacted you?
Has anyone against the WICB contacted you.
You must get you backside down to SVG, to lead the fight
In reply to openning
Evidently you are unaware of the fact
that in Democratic Countries Individuals have an inherent Right ,
to Express their Opinion Freely .
I am doing that in this Forum ; why must I go to the Region to express my
Opinions on any matter . You are such a Stupid Simpleton .
WE currently live in a World where
persons can communicate via various
means . I do not currently have a reason to be in the Region .
I therefore , chose to express my
Opinion in this Forum . Evidently YOU
seem to have a problem with that . But that aint your business regarding
where I choose to express my opinions .
You always seek to interject side shows regarding what I write . I have
never ever begged You and the other Idiots who are Lackeys of the WICBC to comment on what I write .
Evidently YOU seem unaware of the fact that I am entitled to express my opinions , whether I am here on in the Region .
The important thing , at least to me is whether what I state is ACCURATE .
That is what matters in the long run . But it seems that some here love
defending the INDEFENSIBLE .
In reply to POINT
For christ sake, Do you have to repeat it daily, we heard you loud and clear, the first 100 times
This is the wrong audience, because it is not getting thru to CARICOM leaders.
I am suggesting to you,It is best you start doing something back home, to get the WICB to restructure
In reply to openning
YOU seem to have a fixation on responding to what I write . YOU
don't have to do that, neither am I begging You to respond .
I just want to be factual regarding
what I write ; so that Lackeys of the
Worst International Cricket Board in
the Commonwealth , aka the WICBC , cannot point out that I stated something that was or is untrue .
In reply to openning
I just received an invite to a meet and greet event scheduled for Jan 13th downtown Brooklyn. Mr Cameron will be the guest. Am not sure if there will be a question and answer session, but if there is what would you fellas like to ask? I have some thoughts but would like to hear what concerns others on this board.
Best Regards
WICB should form a committee to study the Supreme Court intervention in the affairs of BCCI..
In reply to Khaga
It seems that You are beginning to See
The Light . If that is the case perhaps you could show your friends
the Light .
There are , as I have stated elsewhere, many similar features between the BCCI & the WICBC regarding their Structures .
Incidentally , the BCCI was founded in 1928 , and the WICBC in 1929 . They both refuse to be Transparent ;
and Accountable .
They are also both
populated by Arrogant People , the
Supreme Court of India , stated that
the Members of the BCCI believe that
they are Lords . The Members of the
WICBC , not only believe that they are Lords ; They also believe that they are answerable to No One but themselves .
The Regional Boards also exhibit the
same traits as the WICBC . Like the
WICBC , THEY are not Transparent ;
Accountable ; or exercise Good Governance .
Their main concern like the WICBC is
SELF PRESERVATION . As always the Players are the Scapegoats used to
divert real Scrutiny regarding ALL those in the governance of Cricket in the Region .
THEY are assisted by the fact that , in my opinion there are now credible
Sports Journalists in the Region .
Apparently they do not possess the Testicular Fortitude , to be critical
of the WICBC ; and the Regional Boards .
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