Ok, religious folks....

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link black Joined: Feb 28, 2004
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1/5/17 11:19:49 AM 
Time to explain some of the contradictions in the Bible.

Anyone feel free to add your contradictory bit.

How do you turn the other cheek, then turn around and dig out a man's eye? As in eye for an eye.

link SnoopDog Joined: Jan 24, 2004
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1/5/17 11:23:13 AM 
In reply to black

The entire book is a contradiction. wink

link Tryangle Joined: Jul 11, 2004
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1/5/17 11:26:15 AM 
These ones always make me pause:

1 Samuel 15:3 New International Version (NIV)

3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

I've read the borderline ridiculous counter-argument:
Including the children in the destruction of such populations actually spared them from a worse condition—that of being reared to be as wicked as their parents and thus face eternal punishment. All persons who die in childhood, according to the Bible, are ushered to Paradise and will ultimately reside in Heaven. Children who have parents who are evil must naturally suffer innocently while on Earth


Like, what the hell?

And then you get Deuteronomy 24:16:
"Parents are not to be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their parents; each will die for their own sin."

link SnoopDog Joined: Jan 24, 2004
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1/5/17 11:31:54 AM 
In reply to Tryangle

“To be fair, much of the Bible is not systematically evil but just plain weird, as you would expect of a chaotically cobbled-together anthology of disjointed documents, composed, revised, translated, distorted and 'improved' by hundreds of anonymous authors, editors and copyists, unknown to us and mostly unknown to each other, spanning nine centuries” - Richard Dawkins

link Ayenmol Joined: May 4, 2003
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1/5/17 11:36:10 AM 
I realize that this tactic is similar to that used by the Political media...easily explained words or actions dramatzed to get separate sides at their peak of fervor.

I will attempt to educate anyway.

The Israelites were not to seek personal justice...

Exodus 18:
16 When a case arises, it comes to me and I must judge between one person and the other, and I make known the decisions of the true God and his laws.”

22 They should judge the people when cases arise,* and they will bring every difficult case to you, but every minor case they will decide. Make it easier for yourself by letting them share the load along with you.

22 They should judge the people when cases arise,* and they will bring every difficult case to you, but every minor case they will decide. Make it easier for yourself by letting them share the load along with you. 26 So they judged the people when cases arose. A difficult case they would bring to Moses, but every minor case they would judge.


Leviticus 19:15
22 They should judge the people when cases arise,* and they will bring every difficult case to you, but every minor case they will decide. Make it easier for yourself by letting them share the load along with you. 26 So they judged the people when cases arose. A difficult case they would bring to Moses, but every minor case they would judge.


The principle of eye for an eye applied to the Judges, they were not to overstate their power, but be fair in administering the Law.

link SnoopDog Joined: Jan 24, 2004
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1/5/17 11:38:30 AM 
In reply to Ayenmol

I realize that this tactic is similar to that used by the Political media...easily explained words or actions dramatzed to get separate sides at their peak of fervor.


We know. Exposing religious stupidity is all part of the Fake News phenomena. lol

link black Joined: Feb 28, 2004
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1/5/17 11:41:16 AM 
In reply to Ayenmol

The principle of eye for an eye applied to the Judges, they were not to overstate their power, but be fair in administering the Law.


But, there are plenty of instances where punishment was not administered by judges.

link SnoopDog Joined: Jan 24, 2004
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1/5/17 11:42:50 AM 
In reply to black

But, there are plenty of instances where punishment was not administered by judges.


Get ready for 2 pages of cherry picked Bible quotes in your yin yang. lol

link Ayenmol Joined: May 4, 2003
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1/5/17 11:59:20 AM 
In reply to Tryangle

Now this is a valid case. Not one of mis charaterization.

This one takes understanding Divine law and the concepts of the Creator in removing persons who were not serving him from before his people.

The number one issue facing the Israelites were that of false Worship. When a Nation was to be destroyed then all were to be destroyed. Who would take care of the Children? They would not be allowed to continue as a stumbling block to God's people.

These though were often done by God himself. Not by human hands.

This has little to do with genocide of today, where man decides who lives and dies based on Race, Nationality, Religion or otherwise. These pronouncdments came from God.

Those who do not believe in God would say otherwise.

But this is no different from the Flood of Noah's day!
A Country executes it's worst. An employer dimisses the unwanted. A landlord evicts the uncooperative.

Well...if you are no longer cooperating with God where does he evict you to? Life itself that we posses belongs to him.

So if you can give yourself life, can form your own Solar System, then feel free to ask him for an eviction to that which you have created.

link Kay Joined: Feb 1, 2015
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1/5/17 12:05:33 PM 
In reply to black
Time to explain some of the contradictions in the Bible.

How much is some? To even point out 1% of the myriad of contradictions in the bible and the different versions of the books will take an eternity

link Ayenmol Joined: May 4, 2003
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1/5/17 12:11:52 PM 
In reply to black

But, there are plenty of instances where punishment was not administered by judges


The only time when the bloodguilty were to be killed by an "avenger of blood" is in murder cases.

There was to be just one avenger, not the entire family. And only in a case of malicious loss of life.

link Ayenmol Joined: May 4, 2003
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1/5/17 12:13:30 PM 
In reply to SnoopDog

Get ready for 2 pages of cherry picked Bible quotes in your yin yang.


Because yours are not cherry picked, right?

Maybe you need to learn the meaning of that word phrase.

link steveo Joined: May 1, 2007
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1/5/17 12:18:35 PM 
In reply to Ayenmol

Is the bible for everybody or for the israelites? I am asking because you are saying some instructions are for them and others for us, why not give each his own, are you sure god inspired this madness?

link Ayenmol Joined: May 4, 2003
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1/5/17 12:22:32 PM 
In reply to SnoopDog

We know. Exposing religious stupidity is all part of the Fake News phenomena


First of all you have not "exposed" anything. So quit complimenting yourself on fiction.

Secondly, fake news is a new phenomena. Baiting people for clicks, views, etc has been a device of media forever. It's why Fox news has more viewers than PBS news hour.
But people like you live in a different reality so your stance here is self explanatory.

link Ayenmol Joined: May 4, 2003
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1/5/17 12:26:55 PM 
In reply to steveo

The Israelites were a people chosen from Bloodline. Direct descendants of Abraham. They were selected as a people separate from others and given a set of laws to protect them from false religions of the time until the Messiah who would come through that bloodline.

Once the Messiah came then All mankind had a means to gain forgiveness of sins.

There were laws given meant for that time and people but many principles that remain in tact.

Romans 10:4
4 For Christ is the end of the Law, so that everyone exercising faith may have righteousness.

link SnoopDog Joined: Jan 24, 2004
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1/5/17 12:29:03 PM 
In reply to Ayenmol

So quit complimenting yourself on fiction.


The only work of fiction under discussion in this thread is The Bible. lol

link Ayenmol Joined: May 4, 2003
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1/5/17 12:30:16 PM 
In reply to SnoopDog

Not to mention your huge ego and self adulation...good day.

link SnoopDog Joined: Jan 24, 2004
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1/5/17 12:31:06 PM 
In reply to Ayenmol

Not to mention your huge ego and self adulation...good day.


Now THERE's a compliment! lol


Thanks Brah. big grin

link black Joined: Feb 28, 2004
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1/5/17 12:32:26 PM 
In reply to Ayenmol

The Israelites were a people chosen from Bloodline. Direct descendants of Abraham. They were selected as a people separate from others and given a set of laws to protect them from false religions of the time until the Messiah who would come through that bloodline.


So we are playing favorites now? No other bloodline was good enough?

link pelon Joined: Mar 22, 2008
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1/5/17 12:35:41 PM 
In reply to Ayenmol

The Flood of Noah's day!


What flood? You mean the bibles flood story that plagiarized the The Epic of Gilgamesh (tablet 11), a Mesopotamian story?
For your academic reference: Gilgamesh- 2000-1500 BC and Noah- 600-400 BC

Do you know of the Epic of Gilgamesh? Which was around for 100's of years BEFORE Noah?

Please note: I respect that, as you previously stated, you have no other opinion than: "it is the word of god", I am only asking you if you are AWARE of the exact story seen in the Bible also appeared many 100's of years before in Mesopotamian mythology.

It is a direct conflict to say god gave NOAH instruction when the same story predated Noah's birth....

link SnoopDog Joined: Jan 24, 2004
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1/5/17 12:35:57 PM 
In reply to black

He calls Gawd's chosen people a Nation. In bronze age times Egypt was a nation, the Hittites were a nation. By comparison the fcuking Israelites were no more than a little village tribe. lol

link SnoopDog Joined: Jan 24, 2004
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1/5/17 12:38:16 PM 
In reply to pelon

What flood? You mean the bibles flood story that plagiarized the The Epic of Gilgamesh, a Mesopotamian story?

Do you know of the Epic of Gilgamesh? Which was around for 100's of years BEFORE Noah?

Please note: I respect that, as you previously stated, you have no other opinion than: "it is the word of god", I am only asking you if you are AWARE of the exact story seen in the Bible also appeared 100's of years before in Mesopotamian mythology.

It is a direct conflict to say god gave NOAH instruction when the same story predated Noah's birth....


There you go again with that high society elitist book learning education of yours trying to cast doubt and disagreement on the word of gawd and his little book of bronze age fairy tales.

Shame on you Bro. lol

link steveo Joined: May 1, 2007
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1/5/17 12:39:21 PM 
In reply to black

So we are playing favorites now? No other bloodline was good enough?


Dude, in my book, I am the hero.

link pelon Joined: Mar 22, 2008
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1/5/17 12:41:15 PM 
In reply to SnoopDog

lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
We will see what he says.

link black Joined: Feb 28, 2004
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1/5/17 12:45:50 PM 
In reply to SnoopDog


There you go again with that high society elitist book learning education of yours trying to cast doubt and disagreement on the word of gawd and his little book of bronze age fairy tales.

Shame on you Bro.


lol lol lol

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