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link pelon Joined: Mar 22, 2008
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1/11/17 1:07:02 PM 
In reply to Prako

Who said a day could be as long as you wish? I already pointed out that a day length is defined by Physics and basic Mathematics. Don't you understand that?
Yuh kinda getting lose there.... a day is nothing more than an axis cycle of earth around the sun...

Two things:
1. be clear: do you believe heaven and earth was created in 6 days, as stated in the bible?

2. About a day: The SUN and the axis of our earth around it - has always dictated "a day"
Shift: it has change only in seconds over a 1000s of years... it increases 1.7 milliseconds per century.
Don't question my understanding of a day... it is not 'my version': it's the sun and the rotation of earth that has called the shots on the length of a day....

SO the timeline of earth being less than 7000 years as per Genesis is FLAWED, fabled and weak now that we have fossilized evidence to the contrary. In the dark ages, of course mankind had no carbon dating, but FYI it's 2017 >>>>

Genesis clearly outlined the age of the earth. From creation to Adam to Christ very very explicit - yet the numbers are less than 7000 years.... this is impossible, do you agree?

link Prako Joined: Oct 10, 2016
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1/11/17 1:29:53 PM 
In reply to pelon

Excellent that you defined the correct measurement of a day: motion of earth around the sun

From Genesis, if initially there was no sun for the first few events. How long was a day?

link black Joined: Feb 28, 2004
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1/11/17 1:35:11 PM 
In reply to Prako

From Genesis, if initially there was no sun for the first few events. How long was a day?

It had to be a short period of time because we know life cannot exist without the sun

link Prako Joined: Oct 10, 2016
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1/11/17 1:43:48 PM 
In reply to black


It had to be a short period of time because we know life cannot exist without the sun


Ok folks, black must be smarter than what he just posted. It was probably a Freudian slip. Please don't laugh at him.

I can't really dialogue with you if that is your level of thought


Pelon and bravos would help you think it out

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1/11/17 1:53:23 PM 

link pelon Joined: Mar 22, 2008
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1/11/17 1:59:13 PM 
In reply to Prako

You ask:
From Genesis, if initially there was no sun for the first few events. How long was a day?

So let's go to Genesis.... because a "day" as YOU agreed centers around the earth rotation around the sun...

Genesis 1:5 states:
Creation Day 1 (Genesis 1:1-5)
God created the heavens and the earth. “The heavens” refers to everything beyond the earth, outer space. The earth is made but not formed in any specific way, although water is present. God then speaks light into existence. He then separates the light from the dark and names the light “day” and the dark “night.” This creative work occurs from evening until morning – one day.

Creation Day 2 (Genesis 1:6-8 )
God creates the sky. The sky forms a barrier between water upon the surface and the moisture in the air. At this point earth would have an atmosphere. This creative work occurs in one day.

Creation Day 3 (Genesis 1:9-13)
God creates dry land. Continents and islands are above the water. The large bodies of water are named “seas” and the ground is named “land.” God declares that all this is good.

God creates all plant life both large and small. He creates this life to be self-sustaining; plants have the ability to reproduce. The plants were created in great diversity (many “kinds”). The earth was green and teeming with plant life. God declares that this work is also good. This creative work takes one day.

Creation Day 4 (Genesis 1:14-19)
God creates all the stars and heavenly bodies. The movement of these will help man track time. Two great heavenly bodies are made in relation to the earth. The first is the sun which is the primary source of light and the moon which reflects the light of the sun. The movement of these bodies will distinguish day from night. This work is also declared to be good by God. This creative work takes one day.

Creation Day 5 (Genesis 1:20-23)
God creates all life that lives in the water. Any life of any kind that lives in the water is made at this point. God also makes all the birds. The language allows that this may be the time God made flying insects as well (or, if not, they were made on day six). All of these creatures are made with the ability to perpetuate their species by reproduction. The creatures made on Day 5 are the first creatures blessed by God. God declares this work good, and it occurs in one day.

link pelon Joined: Mar 22, 2008
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1/11/17 1:59:49 PM 
So we come to day 6....

Creation Day 6 (Genesis 1:24-31)
God creates all the creatures that live on dry land. This includes every type of creature not included on previous days and man. God declares this work good.

When God was creating man, He took counsel with Himself, “God said, ‘Let us make man in our image, in our likeness’” (Genesis 1:26). This is not an explicit revelation of the trinity but is part of the foundation for such, as God reveals an “us” within the Godhead. God makes man, and man is made in the image of God (men and women both bear this image) and is special above all other creatures. To emphasize this, God places man in authority over the earth and over all the other creatures. God blesses man and commands him to reproduce, fill the earth and subdue it (bring it under the rightful stewardship of man as authorized by God). God announces that man and all other creatures are to eat plants alone. God will not rescind this dietary restriction until Genesis 9:3-4.



IF DAY 6 INCLUDES ALL living creatures and all celestial bodies (day 4) then it's very very safe to say the celestial bodies INCLUDE the sun right?

IF the sun was there from day 4 at least - then from DAY 4 onward we are in a 24 hr cycle.
Therefore by the time man and all animals appear, we are in a 24 hr cycle, AGREE?????
(predicated on: a. celestial and b. earthly formation complete)

[I'll wait for your reply]

link bravos Joined: Oct 14, 2009
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1/11/17 2:24:02 PM 
In reply to Prako


I guess you don't have an understanding of Israeli culture.


I despise Israeli culture and bible culture and never asked to be part of that franchise..Isreal is a barren wasteland which looks like hell on earth to me,let the bible tell me about my lush region and others,tell me a story about that and I'll be interested,but don't tell me my very existence stems from some ole desert and tales from it's illiterate superstitious inhabitants,the same people who used to bury their children in the foundations of their buildings for favors from god,it's a cult.

Does it feel natural or normal for you to be praying to some Israel and it's people? Pleh..Puke!

link bravos Joined: Oct 14, 2009
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1/11/17 2:34:37 PM 
In reply to black

Maan it's as if we're getting nowhere,seems Ayenomal and Analyst-Skid have converted but Norman and Prakash seem to be fighting a lot harder than expected.. surprised

link black Joined: Feb 28, 2004
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1/11/17 2:52:24 PM 
In reply to bravos

Hell is scaring them into believing. lol

link np Joined: Nov 14, 2002
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1/11/17 2:57:18 PM 
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In reply to pelon & black and bravos & snoop

Im reading with delight some of this discourse. I commend the time you, black and bravos, snoop spend trying to educate, redirect ... relieve from stresses --- these souls.

I'm elated I'm not alone in having redirected my life to a place I feel good about my own salvation from biblical terror, and have allowed for common-sense univeral observations of a world without end.

Keep on trucking my brothers !!! cool cool I'll find time to come back t othis discoursee ... since I do not see a timeline end for this thread, anytime soon!!!

link SnoopDog Joined: Jan 24, 2004
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1/11/17 3:55:03 PM 
In reply to np

I'll find time to come back t othis discoursee ... since I do not see a timeline end for this thread, anytime soon!!!


It will probably end right about the time Yeshowa Bin Joseph returns to judge the living and the dead and usher in his glorious new kingdom. lol


In other words, never. lol

link bravos Joined: Oct 14, 2009
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1/11/17 5:13:03 PM 
In reply to np

Your turn to grab the baton now sir!! cool

link bravos Joined: Oct 14, 2009
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1/11/17 5:13:57 PM 
In reply to black

lol

link black Joined: Feb 28, 2004
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1/11/17 7:31:45 PM 
In reply to bravos

The big fella is due for another trip.

Maybe he'll come back as Ayenmol or Norm?

link Acid Joined: Nov 4, 2009
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1/11/17 7:35:28 PM 
In reply to pelon

It could therefore mean the first 4 days was a long time and that the next day's were shorter with the advent of the sun.

Also it could mean the individual elements took a long period of evolving and were eventually made into fruition after a specific time line.

I'm just commenting on the items you put forward

link Prako Joined: Oct 10, 2016
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1/11/17 7:40:35 PM 
In reply to pelon


So let's go to Genesis.... because a "day" as YOU agreed centers around the earth rotation around the sun...


Now that predicates the earth and solar system is the same size as it is in modern times.

If the distance between the earth and sun is r, then from the creation perspective to now, has r been a constant?

Also Moses gives no further information on the definitions of the time line

link pelon Joined: Mar 22, 2008
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1/11/17 7:41:28 PM 
In reply to Prako

Hope you stick with this and not get distracted.

on the end of the 6th day god was done. this means there was no further "design tweak/adjustment of distance" done to his creation because, by the bibles' admission based on Genesis 2:1 "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them." [VERY IMPORTANT YOU READ GENESIS AGAIN]

And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. [day 7: no changes either]

On the 6th day, based on the book, he created all animals - he did NOT change the solar work he completed on day 4

So lets recap: no solar system "redesign" as you postulated, because as well documented the man was pleased at each stage with what he did: Genesis 1:12, 1:18, 1:21 etc: "God saw that it was good."

Not "god saw it and tweaked it"

The rotation of the earth has not changed other than milliseconds per century.

NOW: IF god was please with his celestial creation, how in hell (no pun intended) could the design change?? on the 6th day forward the universe was as we know it, so said the bible! Adam, the sun, the rat, the Whale in the sea, dinosaurs .... all their... day 6 - and no changes since....

OK how, if the dimensions did not change - do you postulate that they DID change??? The bible in Genesis says repeatedly: "God saw that it was good."

This "understanding" inject the first flaw:

DAY 6 is the start of mankind and animal kingdom on earth with a fixed celestial presence.... fixed sun more importantly!

NOW: a query

Do you differ on my day 6 assessment????

link Prako Joined: Oct 10, 2016
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1/11/17 7:44:18 PM 
In reply to bravos


I despise Israeli culture and bible culture


Not sure why you despise it. I don't despise you even though you subscribe to a atheistic culture.

But then again in another thread you were so positive on your family going to a Religious school. Why didn't you send them to a government school instead?

link bravos Joined: Oct 14, 2009
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1/11/17 7:57:57 PM 
In reply to Prako

I don't despise you ,but I despise what a culture of blood sacrifice and ignorance can do to you,a culture that views our lovely women as chattel,a culture that says we must mutilate 'god given' parts of our anatomy to please some god,is it that he made a mistake in the design or is it that he wants blood to shed from that particular area?

I despise the culture,I want no part of it...I do not despise Israelis though cause that would be despising people I do not know,it's like how one may despise their policies regarding the Palestinians and it's all for some promised land in their heads....


np please sir I need a rest!!

link Prako Joined: Oct 10, 2016
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1/11/17 8:02:27 PM 
In reply to pelon
We are also not taking into account the creation discourse by Moses are consecutive days or are the days milestones?

E.g. Long ago in cricket there was a rest day between the 3rd and 4th days but the rest day wasn't counted as a "day" so in terms of a time line the 5th day of play was actually the 6 day but for reference purposes in the match it was just referred to as the "5th Day"

link pelon Joined: Mar 22, 2008
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1/11/17 8:03:33 PM 
In reply to Prako

Stay focused: Do you differ on my day 6 assessment????

RE: consecutive days

Genesis 1:8 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
Genesis 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the forth day.
Genesis 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fith day.
If they where "gaps" or rest periods THEY WOULD HAVE SAID SO LIKE THEY DID ON DAY 7!!!

The bible CLEARLY MARKED DAY 1 into day 2 into day 3 into day 4.... from the time he "created" the solar system, we had a day night cycle.... NO GAPS SIR.
( I will respectfully ignore your tripe about cricket rest days, has it has no relevance to the fixed word in the bible)

link pelon Joined: Mar 22, 2008
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1/11/17 8:18:13 PM 
In reply to Prako

Sir, what you will do indefinitely is dance and prance around the brutal reality:
from Adam (day 6, fixed sun in place) to Christ to Now as per the bible timelines, the earth is less than 7000 years old with life forms.

THIS IS A MONUMENTAL FLAW!!!! Earth is much much older... and we only figured this out in the last 150 years, first with archeology (fossils), then with carbon dating. In the dark ages mankind could not dare challenge.... and that is why today it is so ingrained in our society: centuries of acceptance.

Go with goodness in your heart.

link black Joined: Feb 28, 2004
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1/11/17 8:29:30 PM 
In reply to pelon

It's clear that novices wrote the bible, they had no idea that science would catch up to the bible.

Seven thousand years is laughable, in comparison to the actual age of the earth.

link pelon Joined: Mar 22, 2008
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1/11/17 8:30:58 PM 
In reply to black
It's clear that novices wrote the bible

Don't do that.... be careful not to come across as callously "dismissive"... respect that that is all he has known/been told/accepted from infancy to adulthood. It is near impossible to go against that....

Comfort in faith is real bro.... telling a man that Jonah could not live in a whale seems silly...

but to the believer.... ANYTHING attributed to their god is possible.

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