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Where are the Amla fans?

 
Devin 2017-02-10 14:31:17 

Another masterful ODI ton for the greatest ODI batsman of all time.

 
Devin 2017-02-10 14:32:47 

Tek dat 5-0 Lanka. South Africa are now ranked #1 in ODI cricket.

 
natty_forever 2017-02-10 14:38:44 

Where is Shriek, cause Devin must be lying. is must Australia, also in Tests.

 
Devin 2017-02-10 14:52:39 

In reply to natty_forever

The stats don't lie, he is the best of all time.

 
Chrissy 2017-02-10 14:53:59 

In reply to Devin

Big ton fi true - didn't see it

 
natty_forever 2017-02-10 15:08:01 

In reply to Devin... making fun of an Australian supporter, he use to be all over here bragging bout Oz this, and Oz that, a little like you and the V-man.

big grin

 
Tryangle 2017-02-10 15:10:59 

In reply to Devin

What does the #1 ranking get you by the way? Is there a trophy? And if so when does it get awarded? Is there a monetary prize as well?

 
WestDem 2017-02-10 15:13:13 

In reply to Tryangle

I think ICC funding amounts for countries are determine by your ICC ranking at the cutoff in April...yes there is a monetary prize...

 
djdrastic 2017-02-10 15:32:30 

In reply to Devin
Big fan

I know you're laying on the sarcasm thick on here haha
I wish he'd find this sort of form during big tournaments as opposed to these no pressure , low intensity touring ODI series'.His ODI record against Aus is terrible.

 
mikesiva 2017-02-10 15:39:04 

In reply to djdrastic

Big fan too. Though I prefer him in the test arena.

South Africa doing well. Third in test ranking and top of the odi ranking.

They are doing something right!
big grin

 
Tryangle 2017-02-10 16:04:56 

In reply to WestDem

Cheers WD - curious to know how much $$. Safe to assume it would go to the respective Boards for distribution based on whatever CBAs are in place for players and coaches.

 
doosra 2017-02-10 21:38:21 

what's new?
big grin

 
robbo 2017-02-11 03:12:07 

[b]In reply to Devin

'The stats don't lie, he is the best of all time '

Yawnnnnn....

 
granite 2017-02-11 07:45:33 

A majority of West Indians have their favorite Saffie players,but Amla is not one,a minority would have Amla as a favourite though.

 
Khaga 2017-02-11 08:13:14 

In reply to granite

Amla enjoys more support than any player of team India on this colorful MB!

 
Devin 2017-02-11 08:22:31 

In reply to Khaga

Bowlers truly fear Amla. I've seen it.

 
Runs 2017-02-12 06:27:37 

Link Text
Simply the best

 
Courtesy 2017-02-12 08:29:16 

Someone will turn up shortly to say that Amla is incredibly mediocre, for reasons unbeknownst to anyone.

The fake commendation, sarcasm and hypocrisy displayed on this thread has no boundaries.

 
Devin 2017-02-12 10:46:31 

13 of his 24 ODI tons have comes against West Indies, Zimbabwe, Netherlands, Ireland, Sri Lanka, and Bangladesh.

That may have something to do with the fact that he's always been ahead of reaching certain milestones when compared to Kohli.

Not sure if anyone in this world would pick Amla ahead of Kohli in ODI'S.

I still think Amla is the best though.

 
djdrastic 2017-02-12 11:37:46 

In reply to Devin

No sarcasm here
I think Kohli is ahead of him in the ODI stakes at present.
If he starts making big runs in must win games and big boy tournaments I'll reverse my decision.
Hopefully he produces the goods in the upcoming C/T and WC.

 
doosra 2017-02-12 12:02:45 

In reply to Devin

13 of his 24 ODI tons have comes against West Indies, Zimbabwe, Netherlands, Ireland, Sri Lanka, and Bangladesh.


haha

that is a funny statement if there ever was on

and the other 11 against who? big grin

 
Devin 2017-02-12 12:11:26 

In reply to djdrastic

Amla isn't known for chasing down a total. He averages in the early to mid 40's batting second, Kohli averages in the 60's.

 
Devin 2017-02-12 12:15:23 

In reply to doosra

You understand what I posted there? Over half of his tons have come against the weakest teams.

 
djdrastic 2017-02-12 12:20:37 

In reply to Devin

Sorry if it was unclear.
Was referring to Amla making scores in C/T and WC.Didn't know the stats were that in favor of Kohli batting second.
All those fastest to X milestones etc don't mean much in ODI cricket if they didn't help your captain lift a trophy above his head tbh.

 
Devin 2017-02-12 12:35:44 

In reply to djdrastic

Amla's numbers are great, but I think one of the reasons why he's overlooked is because he doesn't have a reputation of being a match winner.

Meanwhile, you have Kohli who looks like he'll chase down any total.

Kohli's average batting first is quite ordinary. Early 40's if I'm not mistaken. But when it's time to chase, no one has ever been better.

Winning trophies will take a team effort. Kohli has a WC to his name, but he was still a baby at the time in a team filled with veteran performers.

 
Devin 2017-02-12 12:49:39 

Of Amla's 24 ODI tons, only 5 have come batting second. He averages 42.01 when chasing. Three of the five tons have come against West Indies, Zimbabwe and Sri Lanka.

Of Kohli's 27 ODI tons, 17 have come batting second. He averages 64.18 when chasing.

 
doosra 2017-02-12 17:38:28 

In reply to Devin

clearly you are not suggesting that match-winning is about chasing?

22 of Amla's 24 100s resulted in a win

 
doosra 2017-02-12 17:45:06 

MOM Awards

Kohli - 22/179 == 12.3

Amla - 18/145 == 12.4

 
Khaga 2017-02-12 17:48:43 

In reply to Devin

How has Sheik Amla performed on the WC stage?

 
doosra 2017-02-12 18:13:21 

In reply to Khaga

Mea Amla not doing as bad as pandit devin imagined in his mind

 
Khaga 2017-02-12 18:21:04 

In reply to doosra

Mea MIA on the WC stage?

 
Devin 2017-02-12 18:22:38 

In reply to Khaga

Probably well, I think he has a few tons against the Netherlands, UAE, Afghanistan, and Zimbabwe.

I'll check when I get some time.

 
Khaga 2017-02-12 18:25:00 

In reply to Devin

Neither the Sheik nor ABD have gotten SA over the line in ICC tournaments..

 
doosra 2017-02-12 18:27:27 

In reply to Khaga

The SA curse on the big stage

Not too many can overcome that

 
Devin 2017-02-12 18:48:15 

In reply to doosra

Do you think a batsman can have a greater impact on the game batting first or last?

Stop playing the ass. You know fully well that no one rates Amla a better ODI player.

Don't you find it strange that he's only scored 5 tons when chasing? It's quite a disparity.

And of course he'd win a lot MOM awards. As I said before, he scored 13 of 24 ODI tons against weak teams.

 
doosra 2017-02-13 04:25:56 

In reply to Devin

I never made the case that Amla is a better player
And of course Virat's chasing is outstanding

that is not the point

you missed it again, like last time

 
doosra 2017-02-13 04:29:19 

In reply to Devin


Do you think a batsman can have a greater impact on the game batting first or last?


let's not get too academic but one could argue that setting totals in the modern game, winning totals, is quite a difficult task given that way teams chase them down,

 
Khaga 2017-02-13 04:33:20 

In reply to doosra

On this very board,chasing totals was given a high premium when Brian Lara was chasing them..the flip-flopping (sorry, I don't mean to attack you ) is understandable. lol

 
doosra 2017-02-13 05:04:07 

In reply to Khaga

well times has changed too but seriously setting totals in ODIs now is a nightmare, wouldn't you agree

 
Devin 2017-02-13 05:04:34 

In reply to doosra

Yuh think yuh dealing with one of the many cricket dunces on the board?

Essentially, what you're saying is that in today's game a batsman will never know what a good total is when batting first. As a batsman, you control the game when batting last, while the batsmen on the opposing team can only watch and wonder.

Don't you find it a little odd that Amla's record when chasing is so poor? I mean 5 out his 24 ODI tons have come batting second. And most of them were against dung dung teams.

Of course none of the commentators and analysts know this, probably not even the statisticians. They can continue to try and compare Amla to Kohli, but the truth is, Amla isn't even in Kohli's area code.

If you were to pick a world XI, Amla wouldn't make it. Warner and DeCock have been better openers of late.

 
doosra 2017-02-13 05:05:33 

chasing in tests is still the ultimate tho...for obvious reasons...changing pitch conditions etc

ODIs (context here) is slightly different

 
doosra 2017-02-13 05:07:20 

In reply to Devin

Essentially, what you're saying is that in today's game a batsman will never know what a good total is when batting first.


yes. my opinion of course.

it is already settled that Kohli is the king of chasing, at least in the modern era lol...

now get out of that little emotional zone and think about what i said a bit more

 
doosra 2017-02-13 05:29:24 

Devin

Don't you find it a little odd that Amla's record when chasing is so poor? I mean 5 out his 24 ODI tons have come batting second. And most of them were against dung dung teams.


Before we go on to this conclusion let us examine some more data

Question 1 - How many times has AMLA batted first in ODIs?
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Amla has played 145 ODIs

Batting first (won) 57/145 = 39.3% (of all his ODIs)

Batting first (lost + tied + no result) = 27/145 = 18.6% (of all his ODIs)

Answer 1 - Amla has batted first in 84/145 = 58% (of all his ODIs)
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We are left with 42% of his ODIs to answer the 'poor chasing' argument. Let us examine that.

Question 2 - How many times did Amla bat 2nd (chasing)
Answer 2 - 42% of the time.
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Let us examine further the win/loss ratio and his statistics (critical in this part)

Question 3 - In how many of his chases did he Amla come out winner?

Answer 3 - 35/(145-84) = 35/61 = 57.4%, Average 52.0, 3 100s, 11 50s

Please read this part carefully.
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We are left with lost chasing

Question 4 - How many matches has Amla lost chasing?
Answer 4 - 25/61 = 40.1% of all chases (61)
OR
Answer 4 - 25/145 = 17.2% of ALL matches played.
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I have left you with some numbers to think about and conclusions to draw (and twist haha, as you normally do)

 
Devin 2017-02-13 05:40:55 

In reply to doosra

I never skew or twist, that's why I love numbers, I let them work for me.

Those stats are lovely, but guess what, it doesn't change this fact:

Hashim Amla averages 57.83 with 19 centuries when batting first.

Hashim Amla averages 42.01 with 5 centuries when batting last.

 
doosra 2017-02-13 05:48:10 

In reply to Devin


I never skew or twist, that's why I love numbers, I let them work for me.

Those stats are lovely, but guess what, it doesn't change this fact:

Hashim Amla averages 57.83 with 19 centuries when batting first.

Hashim Amla averages 42.01 with 5 centuries when batting last.


Oh man! Can't have a reasonable discussion with you on this one.

 
Devin 2017-02-13 05:56:02 

In reply to doosra

We'll agree to disagree.

 
doosra 2017-02-13 06:10:47 

In reply to Devin

but first we must agree what we are disagreeing about

is it this?

Don't you find it a little odd that Amla's record when chasing is so poor?

 
Khaga 2017-02-13 07:26:08 

In reply to doosra

A few factors to ponder

1.T20 has heavily influenced the chasing mindset
2.More day and night cricket and dew factor may have influenced chases.

However, a good bowling attack and the fear of steep asking rates are still dominant factors.

 
Courtesy 2017-02-13 08:02:49 

In reply to doosra

Nice work Doosra to debunk this:


Devin posts:

Don't you find it a little odd that Amla's record when chasing is so poor? I mean 5 out his 24 ODI tons have come batting second. And most of them were against dung dung teams.

You are arguing with a simpleton who disregards empirical evidence.

His conclusions come from his asshole and are based on anecdotal data. This is why, for him, Amla is incredibly mediocre.

Doosra, please don't waste your time.

Nuff said.

lol lol lol

 
Devin 2017-02-13 08:32:50 

In reply to Courtesy

Where exactly did Doosra debunk anything that I said?

Empirical evidence? The stats are there. They clearly show that when it's time to chase, Amla is nowhere to be found. The disparity between his averages batting first as opposed to batting second is quite jarring.

 
Devin 2017-02-13 08:38:00 

In reply to doosra

Yes, this isn't someone who has batted first 150 times, but only batted second 20 times.

If you want to say that Amla has batted first more often than second, and that's why he has more tons, fine, I suppose. However, there is a noticeable difference in the averages.

57.83 batting first, 42.01 batting second.

 
Devin 2017-02-13 08:54:38 

In reply to doosra


Question 2 - How many times did Amla bat 2nd (chasing)
Answer 2 - 42% of the time.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Let us examine further the win/loss ratio and his statistics (critical in this part)

Question 3 - In how many of his chases did he Amla come out winner?

Answer 3 - 35/(145-84) = 35/61 = 57.4%, Average 52.0, 3 100s, 11 50s

Please read this part carefully.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

We are left with lost chasing

Question 4 - How many matches has Amla lost chasing?
Answer 4 - 25/61 = 40.1% of all chases (61)
OR
Answer 4 - 25/145 = 17.2% of ALL matches played.
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But Doosra, what is the point of this? Is it to show that Amla's performance directly influences South Africa's win/loss record? We are looking at two individuals, not the teams they represent or the win/loss record.

I don't care about his record when they've won/lost chasing. The numbers tell you that he averages 42.01 batting second, with only 5 centuries to his name. Most of them have come against weaklings.

 
Courtesy 2017-02-13 11:03:30 

In reply to Devin

I want you to expose your bottom a little more with these correlations.

Go ahead...give me some more junk.