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Where are the Amla fans?
Tek dat 5-0 Lanka. South Africa are now ranked #1 in ODI cricket.
Where is Shriek, cause Devin must be lying. is must Australia, also in Tests.
In reply to natty_forever
The stats don't lie, he is the best of all time.
In reply to Devin
Big ton fi true - didn't see it
In reply to Devin... making fun of an Australian supporter, he use to be all over here bragging bout Oz this, and Oz that, a little like you and the V-man.
In reply to Devin
What does the #1 ranking get you by the way? Is there a trophy? And if so when does it get awarded? Is there a monetary prize as well?
In reply to Tryangle
I think ICC funding amounts for countries are determine by your ICC ranking at the cutoff in April...yes there is a monetary prize...
In reply to Devin
Big fan
I know you're laying on the sarcasm thick on here haha
I wish he'd find this sort of form during big tournaments as opposed to these no pressure , low intensity touring ODI series'.His ODI record against Aus is terrible.
In reply to djdrastic
Big fan too. Though I prefer him in the test arena.
South Africa doing well. Third in test ranking and top of the odi ranking.
They are doing something right!
In reply to WestDem
Cheers WD - curious to know how much $$. Safe to assume it would go to the respective Boards for distribution based on whatever CBAs are in place for players and coaches.
what's new?
[b]In reply to Devin
'The stats don't lie, he is the best of all time '
Yawnnnnn....
A majority of West Indians have their favorite Saffie players,but Amla is not one,a minority would have Amla as a favourite though.
In reply to granite
Amla enjoys more support than any player of team India on this colorful MB!
In reply to Khaga
Bowlers truly fear Amla. I've seen it.
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Simply the best
Someone will turn up shortly to say that Amla is incredibly mediocre, for reasons unbeknownst to anyone.
The fake commendation, sarcasm and hypocrisy displayed on this thread has no boundaries.
13 of his 24 ODI tons have comes against West Indies, Zimbabwe, Netherlands, Ireland, Sri Lanka, and Bangladesh.
That may have something to do with the fact that he's always been ahead of reaching certain milestones when compared to Kohli.
Not sure if anyone in this world would pick Amla ahead of Kohli in ODI'S.
I still think Amla is the best though.
In reply to Devin
No sarcasm here
I think Kohli is ahead of him in the ODI stakes at present.
If he starts making big runs in must win games and big boy tournaments I'll reverse my decision.
Hopefully he produces the goods in the upcoming C/T and WC.
In reply to Devin
haha
that is a funny statement if there ever was on
and the other 11 against who?
In reply to djdrastic
Amla isn't known for chasing down a total. He averages in the early to mid 40's batting second, Kohli averages in the 60's.
In reply to doosra
You understand what I posted there? Over half of his tons have come against the weakest teams.
In reply to Devin
Sorry if it was unclear.
Was referring to Amla making scores in C/T and WC.Didn't know the stats were that in favor of Kohli batting second.
All those fastest to X milestones etc don't mean much in ODI cricket if they didn't help your captain lift a trophy above his head tbh.
In reply to djdrastic
Amla's numbers are great, but I think one of the reasons why he's overlooked is because he doesn't have a reputation of being a match winner.
Meanwhile, you have Kohli who looks like he'll chase down any total.
Kohli's average batting first is quite ordinary. Early 40's if I'm not mistaken. But when it's time to chase, no one has ever been better.
Winning trophies will take a team effort. Kohli has a WC to his name, but he was still a baby at the time in a team filled with veteran performers.
Of Amla's 24 ODI tons, only 5 have come batting second. He averages 42.01 when chasing. Three of the five tons have come against West Indies, Zimbabwe and Sri Lanka.
Of Kohli's 27 ODI tons, 17 have come batting second. He averages 64.18 when chasing.
In reply to Devin
clearly you are not suggesting that match-winning is about chasing?
22 of Amla's 24 100s resulted in a win
MOM Awards
Kohli - 22/179 == 12.3
Amla - 18/145 == 12.4
In reply to Devin
How has Sheik Amla performed on the WC stage?
In reply to Khaga
Mea Amla not doing as bad as pandit devin imagined in his mind
In reply to doosra
Mea MIA on the WC stage?
In reply to Khaga
Probably well, I think he has a few tons against the Netherlands, UAE, Afghanistan, and Zimbabwe.
I'll check when I get some time.
In reply to Devin
Neither the Sheik nor ABD have gotten SA over the line in ICC tournaments..
In reply to Khaga
The SA curse on the big stage
Not too many can overcome that
In reply to doosra
Do you think a batsman can have a greater impact on the game batting first or last?
Stop playing the ass. You know fully well that no one rates Amla a better ODI player.
Don't you find it strange that he's only scored 5 tons when chasing? It's quite a disparity.
And of course he'd win a lot MOM awards. As I said before, he scored 13 of 24 ODI tons against weak teams.
In reply to Devin
I never made the case that Amla is a better player
And of course Virat's chasing is outstanding
that is not the point
you missed it again, like last time
In reply to Devin
let's not get too academic but one could argue that setting totals in the modern game, winning totals, is quite a difficult task given that way teams chase them down,
In reply to doosra
On this very board,chasing totals was given a high premium when Brian Lara was chasing them..the flip-flopping (sorry, I don't mean to attack you ) is understandable.
In reply to Khaga
well times has changed too but seriously setting totals in ODIs now is a nightmare, wouldn't you agree
In reply to doosra
Yuh think yuh dealing with one of the many cricket dunces on the board?
Essentially, what you're saying is that in today's game a batsman will never know what a good total is when batting first. As a batsman, you control the game when batting last, while the batsmen on the opposing team can only watch and wonder.
Don't you find it a little odd that Amla's record when chasing is so poor? I mean 5 out his 24 ODI tons have come batting second. And most of them were against dung dung teams.
Of course none of the commentators and analysts know this, probably not even the statisticians. They can continue to try and compare Amla to Kohli, but the truth is, Amla isn't even in Kohli's area code.
If you were to pick a world XI, Amla wouldn't make it. Warner and DeCock have been better openers of late.
chasing in tests is still the ultimate tho...for obvious reasons...changing pitch conditions etc
ODIs (context here) is slightly different
In reply to Devin
yes. my opinion of course.
it is already settled that Kohli is the king of chasing, at least in the modern era lol...
now get out of that little emotional zone and think about what i said a bit more
Devin
Before we go on to this conclusion let us examine some more data
Question 1 - How many times has AMLA batted first in ODIs?
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Amla has played 145 ODIs
Batting first (won) 57/145 = 39.3% (of all his ODIs)
Batting first (lost + tied + no result) = 27/145 = 18.6% (of all his ODIs)
Answer 1 - Amla has batted first in 84/145 = 58% (of all his ODIs)
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We are left with 42% of his ODIs to answer the 'poor chasing' argument. Let us examine that.
Question 2 - How many times did Amla bat 2nd (chasing)
Answer 2 - 42% of the time.
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Let us examine further the win/loss ratio and his statistics (critical in this part)
Question 3 - In how many of his chases did he Amla come out winner?
Answer 3 - 35/(145-84) = 35/61 = 57.4%, Average 52.0, 3 100s, 11 50s
Please read this part carefully.
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We are left with lost chasing
Question 4 - How many matches has Amla lost chasing?
Answer 4 - 25/61 = 40.1% of all chases (61)
OR
Answer 4 - 25/145 = 17.2% of ALL matches played.
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I have left you with some numbers to think about and conclusions to draw (and twist haha, as you normally do)
In reply to doosra
I never skew or twist, that's why I love numbers, I let them work for me.
Those stats are lovely, but guess what, it doesn't change this fact:
Hashim Amla averages 57.83 with 19 centuries when batting first.
Hashim Amla averages 42.01 with 5 centuries when batting last.
In reply to Devin
I never skew or twist, that's why I love numbers, I let them work for me.
Those stats are lovely, but guess what, it doesn't change this fact:
Hashim Amla averages 57.83 with 19 centuries when batting first.
Hashim Amla averages 42.01 with 5 centuries when batting last.
Oh man! Can't have a reasonable discussion with you on this one.
In reply to doosra
We'll agree to disagree.
In reply to Devin
but first we must agree what we are disagreeing about
is it this?
In reply to doosra
A few factors to ponder
1.T20 has heavily influenced the chasing mindset
2.More day and night cricket and dew factor may have influenced chases.
However, a good bowling attack and the fear of steep asking rates are still dominant factors.
In reply to doosra
Nice work Doosra to debunk this:
Devin posts:
You are arguing with a simpleton who disregards empirical evidence.
His conclusions come from his asshole and are based on anecdotal data. This is why, for him, Amla is incredibly mediocre.
Doosra, please don't waste your time.
Nuff said.
In reply to Courtesy
Where exactly did Doosra debunk anything that I said?
Empirical evidence? The stats are there. They clearly show that when it's time to chase, Amla is nowhere to be found. The disparity between his averages batting first as opposed to batting second is quite jarring.
In reply to doosra
Yes, this isn't someone who has batted first 150 times, but only batted second 20 times.
If you want to say that Amla has batted first more often than second, and that's why he has more tons, fine, I suppose. However, there is a noticeable difference in the averages.
57.83 batting first, 42.01 batting second.
In reply to doosra
Question 2 - How many times did Amla bat 2nd (chasing)
Answer 2 - 42% of the time.
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Let us examine further the win/loss ratio and his statistics (critical in this part)
Question 3 - In how many of his chases did he Amla come out winner?
Answer 3 - 35/(145-84) = 35/61 = 57.4%, Average 52.0, 3 100s, 11 50s
Please read this part carefully.
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We are left with lost chasing
Question 4 - How many matches has Amla lost chasing?
Answer 4 - 25/61 = 40.1% of all chases (61)
OR
Answer 4 - 25/145 = 17.2% of ALL matches played.
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But Doosra, what is the point of this? Is it to show that Amla's performance directly influences South Africa's win/loss record? We are looking at two individuals, not the teams they represent or the win/loss record.
I don't care about his record when they've won/lost chasing. The numbers tell you that he averages 42.01 batting second, with only 5 centuries to his name. Most of them have come against weaklings.
In reply to Devin
I want you to expose your bottom a little more with these correlations.
Go ahead...give me some more junk.
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