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Powell
Brathwaite
Lewis
Hope
Ambris
Johnson/Carter/Powell
Holder
Cornwall
Nurse
Gabriel
Joseph/Taylor

Reifer
Mohammed

15 man squad!

Good squad lets hope this team grows from strength to strength.

I'd throw Leveridge in there too.

In reply to analyst-kid

I am not going to buy any thing from you, how can you charge $15 for something you list for $13?

These guys must be considered too

Beaton
Tonge
Levy

Rampee?

In reply to analyst-kid

You don't have a squad if Leveridge is not there

In reply to Narper

I would not consider any of the three, especially with young Joseph and Leveridge still so inexperience at the International level.
I would bring back Ramdin, neither Hope or Ambris keeps better than him, and I'll keep Benn in the squad.

In reply to analyst-kid

are u picking a brand new team based on this tournament? I thought it would make sense to look at the last team, decide who stays, who goes then fill positions based on the tournament.

In reply to jballer84

, the dung heap is better than internationals

In reply to openning

De man have 16 names

In reply to openning

why?

In reply to analyst-kid

Why Hope if you are basing your team on performances in the Super 50?

Ambris has more runs at a better strike rate and dismissals, in less matches, than him.

Why no M Hodge or Carter?

You name 17 players for a 15 man squad. You need to be decisive and name a 15 man squad.

I will name a Super 50 squad at the end of the tournament.

In reply to analyst-kid


My Squad

Powell Captain
Lewis
Brathwaite
Blackwood
Cornwall
Ambris
Carter
Holder
Powell
Campbell
Gabriel
Joseph
Bishoo
Taylor
Pierre (surprise pick) he had Powell tied up in knots then put him out of his misery when he attempted a mad swipe

In reply to Maispwi

Look at the way his team is selected

Out of the five players he listed, only one from each group he would select.
He left the door open for us to remind him, it thirteen players, instead of the sixteen listed and the fifteen he wrote about.

In reply to ponderiver

Benn and Nurse pon roster bfo Bishoo and Pierre!!!

Hope ton up gainst Zim in Nov doan matter??...WTF!!

Hamilton is by far the best keeper on show period!

In reply to ponderiver

Really? Did that really happen?

In reply to Mr-Anguilla

Unbelievable ent? Best keeper by some distance. Just laff bro

In reply to che

Benn is way past his best Nurse is is not international standard
He will always get wickets at dungheap where batsmen are more inclined to play brainless shots

Bishoo brings more to the table than the two of them combined

In reply to che

I am not a fan of Nurse. But Nurse (19 wkts @11.36) did very well in the last ODI outing and he is the leading bowler of the tournament. And he has clearly worked on his game therefore you CANNOT leave out Nurse.

The only reason I left out Benn is because they have rested Benn when ppl like pondriver are saying ( and I have said it too) that Benn is way past his best. But it clear that Benn excels in his home conditions and AGAIN he is leading the averages the second consecutive year!

A good semifinals showing and possibly finals and Benn is back in the fray!

Bishoo might bring more to the table but he hasn't proved it in this List A format at Kensington.

In reply to ponderiver

Blackwood avg 28.28...he even avg less than Shai Hope an incumbent. SO on what basis does Blackwood even merits a play in front Reifer (batting 31.50 bowling 16 wkts @19.6 and Mohammed (batting avg 55.80)?

In reply to analyst-kid

you make good points however if we used averages as the yardstick and we should Miller would be selected for every team across all formats.

Yet for me he doesn't cut it at the next level

Blackwood belongs at the next level. Period

I dont rate Nurse, I would have chase or warrican over him any day. Nurse, much like Brooks might have a godfather to thank for his continued selection , sorry he doesn't make my squad

I don't rate Nurse either but he merits his play on performances.

On that disastrous tour of Zimbabwe, I think only the following players came out with any credit, and I would pick them as a result...Evin Lewis, Jason Holder, Shai Hope, Ashley Nurse, Shannon Gabriel. I would sweep the rest of them out.

So, I would fill the vacancies with performances in this Super50, and this would be my squad to date:

1) Evin Lewis
2) Kieran Powell
3) Kraigg Brathwaite
4) Shai Hope
5) Jason Mohammed
6) Sunil Ambris
7) Jason Holder
Kyle Mayers
9) Ashley Nurse
10) Alzarri Joseph
11) Shannon Gabriel
12) Montcin Hodge
13) Raymon Reifer
14) Jerome Taylor
15) Ronsford Beaton

Ravi Rampaul and Shiv Chanderpaul are Kolpaks or retired from WI cricket.

However, given that Rovman Powell and Carlos Brathwaite gave up their PSL places to take part in the Super50, I'm guessing that Courtney Browne has already told them that their places are safe.

So, I'm clearly wasting my time putting up this list....

In reply to ponderiver

My Bajan posters here might cuss me, but this is my pick for captain too!

In reply to mikesiva

After every tournament allyuh want to send new players to the slaughter, we never learn.

In reply to openningto be honest I have not seen any one I would pick at the moment, May be Braitwaite, Gabriel and the young off spinner Pierre. The Board continue to let islands get away with murder on pitches. The pitches have no grass, and this is only way we are going improve our cricket. People are still calling for the old ones to come back, to where? like Benn, give me a break.

Roland just picked the Bajan team

In reply to Runs

Lol... I noticed... he doesn't seem to rate the England team either... don't know how much cricket he's been watching lately but England have dramatically improved in the 50 over format since the debacle of the last World Cup. Their batting is regularly putting up scores of over 350. ... it's a very powerful batting unit .The bowling is not quite as impressive.

In reply to robbo

Against this weak ass WI side they will dominate.

In reply to Runs

Well I have to be honest I think you are right...but of course I hope you are wrong !

How come nobody talking bout the American born Jamaican Taylor.

In reply to robbo

I agree that Holder does not seem to have been following England ODI cricket

1.Kraigg
2.Powell
3.Lewis
4.Hope/Ambris
5.Dowrich/Jmo
6.Carter
7.(Reifer/Carlos B/Rovman)
8.Holder
9. Nurse / Cornwall
10. Taylor / (Roach/ Leveridge/Rampaul)
11. Gabriel

Rovman Powell has to play. The only top order player who can be relied on to score at a SR > 100 other than Lewis.

They're the difference between being a 250 side and a 300.

Ambris doesn't make my team for that reason.

Powell
Braithwaite
Lewis
Hope
Powell
Cornwall
Nurse
Holder
Rampaul
Gabriel
Joseph

Carter
Mohammed
Taylor
Jacob's

Reifer and Tonge are in my squad in that order if Ramapaul and Taylor are ineligible

If the team is pick base on the super 50 Ramdin name should be in there he had a decent time with the bat nd the team could do with his experience plus I will like to know if Samuels is qualified for selection

Kolpak Paul ?

I can't understand some people squad, why pick Cornwall to bat at #8 and Kraigg Brathwaite for #8? One the worse thing you can ever do is put a slow scoring player at #3 in ODIs. If Kraigg not opening, he shouldn't play.

Nurse has not done enough to be selected. Yes kraig had scored lots of runs but look at the strike rate we have to look at the way odi are going 300 is not a par score anymore with him at the top of the order at his strike rate it's like going backwards what's the point of batting 50 overs and scoring 250 nd losing by 75 plus runs. So he need to improve his strike rate. Cornwalllooks a good talent but I will like to see him play another season nd work on his fitness. Taylor shoukd be recall.

Cornwall
Rampaul

bellywuk fih Case Of Bellywuk

In reply to analyst-kid

So you are missing Narine, and Ramdin from the last ODI team. I hope to silly eligibility rule does not rule Narine out.

In reply to timeless99

Getting the most wickets with the second lowest average in the entire tournament is not enough?

Who has he got those wicket against

In reply to timeless99

Same teams people like Carlos couldn't get any wickets against.

Nobody is saying he's a world beater. But he's proving himself to be among the best available

My tentative XI so far:

Brathwaite
Powell
Lewis
J Mohammed
Ambris kpr
Carter
Cornwall
Benn
Holder
Joseph
Gabriel

This team is subject to change after the Semis and Finals as I am interested in seeing how some players perform under pressure. Then I will select an additional 4 players. Of course the team selected to play England would have the likes of Brathwaite, Roach and maybe even Samuels but I am selecting based on Super50 2k17 performances.

At this stage no way Hope makes my team with a season ave of 32, so he must get that over 40 by Semis/Finals. 40 plus ave should be the standard. Nurse and Cornwall are the two off spinners and Cornwall gets the nod as he is a good offie who is a big hitter. 40 plus is my standard for batting. Benn/Pierre could take that left arm spinner spot. Looking forward to see what the pacers do in the semis as well.

In reply to voiceofreason

u are going to drop Hope who headed the last ODI and scored an international ton

In reply to tc1

This is based so far only on Super 50 performances. You are right, he has had a good start to his ODI career so he should be in the team. Time for him to stamp his class in the semis.

My revised squad after the completion of the preliminary rounds....

) Evin Lewis
2) Kieran Powell
3) Kraigg Brathwaite
4) Shai Hope
5) Jason Mohammed
6) Sunil Ambris
7) Jason Holder
Raymon Reifer
9) Ashley Nurse
10) Alzarri Joseph
11) Shannon Gabriel
12) Montcin Hodge
13) Jonathan Carter
14) Jerome Taylor
15) Damion Jacobs

Ravi Rampaul and Shiv Chanderpaul are Kolpaks or retired from WI cricket.

My team is a continuation of players selected from the Zimbabwe tour, with a few replacements
1) Kraigg Brathwaite
2) Carlos Brathwaite
3) Sulieman Benn
4) Johnathan Carter
5) Shannon Gabriel
6) Shai Hope
7) Evin Lewis
Jason Mohammed
9) Sunil Narine / Rahkeem Cornwall
10) Ashley Nurse
11) Rovman Powell
12) Kieron Powell
13) Alzarri Joseph
14) Marlon Samuels/ Darren Bravo
15) Reynard Leveridge

In reply to openning

what has Leveridge done to be included in any team, u want Ambris to wait, but Leveridge that bowls 2 fastballs per innings included

Leveridge needs coaching

In reply to tc1

That does seem a tad inconsistent by openning.

Although one can argue, the fast bowling options are not as plentiful as the middle order batsmen lining up for an ODI cap right now.

Fast bowling options

Rampaul-ineligible?
Taylor-ineligible
Holder
Gabriel
Tonge
Reifer

Gabriel is the only out and out quick bowler, so Leveridge has that to distinguish him from the rest while

Ambris' rivals

Carter
Johnson
Hope
Cornwall
Mohammed

All with a stronger claim for a spot as far as I'm concerned, with nothing to distinguish him from the competition

In reply to tc1

West Indies are short of fastbowlers, the only way for him to learn is to be part of the squad, way his work will be bowling practice for the batsman.
If you remember Wes Hall went of a Five Test tour, and never played in test in that series, list one other bowler with Leveridge speed?
If any of the batsman had batted like Powell, they too would get my selection.
I am not going to replace players after a series, then replace them with youngsters that havent scored even a ton and any 50 overs series.

If your water is turn off, you will drive any way to fill your water pitcher, the West lacked quickies for a long time, this youngster is like you driving to fill your water pitcher.
We need him on the team, to get all the coaching he require.

In reply to DIEHARD... why is Taylor ineligible?

IMO an ODI team has to inlude the best batsmen/bowlers as close to a Test lineup, then next you look for who 3 dimensional but certainly 2 dimensional, then the specialists, then you of course include one or two X factors players.

When all considered my own 15 man squad would look like:

1 - Kraig
2 - Lewis
3 - Kieran Powell
4 - Hope; but equally Hamilton and Dowrich all have to be in the long term mix
5 - Carter; specialist who is really 4 dimensional
6 - Rovman; X factor
7 - Jason
8 - Nurse
9 - Killa Miller; is Cornwall good enough as second spinner or do you go for your Test Spinner in Bishoo
10 - Joseph
11 - Gabriel
12 - Mohammed; Specialist and three dimensional
13. - BLACKWOOD; has to play and develop as your Test Batsman
14 - Taylor; is Roach ready yet for a return? And yes Leveridge must be kept close
15 - Reifer; genuine allrounder; does Cornwall tick this box also aided with his
power hitting?

Ultimately we are talking about marginal picks so talented players like Ambris, Kyle Mayers and other A Teamers will have a shout.

In reply to DIEHARD

Someone asked me to post these stats so that contributors could give a more objective look. It's a brief analysis of the performances of the middle order batsmen in contention. The stats have been taken from ESPNCRICINFO.com. This was done right after the preliminary stage so it does not include the semifinal or final.


Nagicor super 50 (2014-2017)

N.B. AVE* - indicates and average without taking "not outs" into consideration because some of the commentators on this site see 'notouts' as a justification not to reward.

Players M I N.O Runs HS AVE AVE * 50's 100's S.R S.R (2017)

S.Hope 15 15 0 442 63 29.47 29.47 3 0 63.14 64.32

S.Dowrich 19 14 2 281 48 23.41 20.07 0 0 83.38 85.15

J.Carter 20 20 2 654 109 36.33 32.70 4 1 82.26 92.59

L.Johnson 19 19 3 487 78 30.43 25.63 4 0 n.a 66.39

J.Mohammed 24 21 4 629 117* 37.00 29.95 3 1 73.91 83.91

S.Ambris 17 17 5 715 75* 59.58 42.06 8 0 n.a 83.76

J.Blackwood 14 13 1 307 53* 25.58 23.62 2 0 65.18 64.49

Notes:
1. Top performer in terms of runs - Sunil Ambris
2. Top Performer in terms of average - Sunil Ambris
3. Top performer in terms of average without 'not outs' into consideration - Sunil Ambris


LIST A Statistics

Players M I N.O Runs HS AVE S.R 100s 50s

S.Hope 19 19 0 629 101 33.1 65.86 1 5

S.Dowrich 34 27 3 453 48 18.87 n.a 0 0

J.Carter 76 73 10 1923 133 30.52 n.a 2 11

L.Johnson 49 49 3 1256 78 27.3 n.a 0 11

J.Mohammed 47 41 9 1294 117* 40.43 n.a 2 8

S.Ambris 19 18 5 723 75* 55.61 n.a 0 8

A.McCarty 28 26 1 985 118 39.4 n.a 2 5

J.Blackwood 30 28 2 565 85 21.73 n.a 0 3

Notes:
1. Top performer in terms of runs - Jonathan Carter
2. Top Performer in terms of average - Sunil Ambris

Nagicor super 50 Statistics Prior to 2017

Players M I NO Runs AVE AVE***

S.Hope 7 7 0 186 26.57 26.57

S.Dowrich 11 8 1 172 24.57 21.50

J.Carter 12 12 1 354 32.18 29.50

L.Johnson 11 11 1 244 24.40 22.18

J.Mohammed 16 13 2 316 28.73 24.31

S.Ambris 9 9 3 292 48.67 32.44

A.McCarty 14 12 1 438 39.82 36.50

J.Blackwood 7 6 1 109 21.80 18.17

Notes
1. Top performer in terms of runs - Jonathan Carter
2. Top Performer in terms of average - Sunil Ambris
3. Top performer in terms of average without 'not outs' into consideration - Sunil Ambris

Conclusion

Given that the West Indies One-day team should be selected on the basis of one-day performances in the regional tournament (assuming it is and not by subjectivity ONLY), Sunil Ambris should feel hard done (so to would Andre McCarthy to a lesser extent) if he is not rewarded with a place in OUR regional side.

Expectation

Sunil Ambris will probable given a game in one of the matches in the President's 11, and if he does not score in excess of 50, that will serve as enough justification for the selectors to continue with the status quo.

Rational

Shai Hope was first selected on the West Indies ODI team based not on performances (certainly not test or regional super 50); albeit, he did make use of the chance, but my major contention with this was -- why was it him and not someone else with a better track record in 50 over cricket not given that chance to prove himself. I am sure if i were to dig further i would find more examples of selectors going outside of what should be the matrix of determining the regional side which is to select the side based on regional performances in the relevant format.

In reply to jen

This should generate a more objective discussion.

In reply to jen

I still am going to stick with the fact that Ambris has performed in only this one season.

The only maginal selections in my XI are Hope and Powell...And in these semis.. Both are showing their true value so far.

Solidified their selection in my books.

Shai Hope has on ODI century.. so regardless of his Nagico stats. He has earned his selection.

Powell has also displayed why he plays before Ambris. We need a power player.

In my opinion that leaves Ambris competing with Carter and Cornwall for that last spot in the batting order. Both are all-rounders who can be the 5th bowler.

There's just no room for Ambris in the XI. The stats only serve to show him up. He's not head and shoulders above his peers.

In reply to jen

I agree that Hope did not initially earn his pick.

But look at what he has done since

In reply to tc1

Stop pretending like your problem with him is his production. It's his passport. Plain and simple.

In reply to JahJah

He has no production, he was on a A team tour and pull up hurt.

In reply to tc1

Can't wait for you to wax lyrical on non-productive Bajans like you do for...

1 K Brath
2 K Powell
3 E Lewis
4 S Hope
5 J Mo
6 J Carter / R Reifer
7 R Powell
8 J Holder
9 A Nurse
10 11
S Gabriel/ J Taylor/
(Ramps if available r Joseph)

12 Ambris
13 Cornwall

In reply to analyst-kid

You really arguing for 31 against 28.

Non of these fuggers should be near international cricket.

In reply to openning

By that reasoning we pick any west indian cricketer, at any level.

Why don't you make a case to be included yourself on that basis?

And you write that so eloquently.