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Hope is a dungheap specialist

 
methodic 2017-03-05 09:47:05 

thus far

 
methodic 2017-03-05 10:02:38 

three years, one 50

 
runout 2017-03-05 10:04:31 

Dude, for real????

That is the best talent WI have.

 
Courtesy 2017-03-05 10:06:11 

In reply to runout

He needs production though. Talent does not put food on the table or runs on the scoreboard.

 
Drapsey 2017-03-05 10:06:44 

In reply to runout

That is the best talent WI have.

Most would agree, but he needs to put up.

 
runout 2017-03-05 10:07:34 

In reply to Drapsey

Yes bro. Look he plays shot to force the game because dot-baller killing it.

 
Judgement 2017-03-05 10:08:51 

In reply to Courtesy

Imagine if Hope played for England. He would have been a fine-tuned run machine, i guarantee you. The support system, the coaching, the accessibility to top class facilities etc. would have moulded that talent to a different par.

 
Drapsey 2017-03-05 10:11:00 

In reply to Judgement

Imagine if Hope played for England. He would have been a fine-tuned run machine, i guarantee you. The support system, the coaching, the accessibility to top class facilities etc. would have moulded that talent to a different par.

I can see that's why so many Saffies and Irish opt to play for England. Nothing but the best will do.

 
Courtesy 2017-03-05 10:11:03 

In reply to Judgement

Yep and from my sources his work ethic is excellent.

Oh how we wish that we still had opportunities to play county cricket in motherland and hone our skills.

 
methodic 2017-03-05 10:12:50 

In reply to runout

Hope is not half as good as Dowrich. Dowrich, Hetmyer, Blackwood have more natural than Hope.

 
Judgement 2017-03-05 10:19:24 

In reply to Drapsey

You are absolutely right. ECB adopt a completely different approach to the game and players around that mindset and support system, react accordingly.

 
runout 2017-03-05 10:19:36 

In reply to methodic

I beg to differ. Blackwood and Hope in the same sentence is blasphemy.

 
Judgement 2017-03-05 10:21:05 

In reply to Courtesy

I know Hope personally as i do some of the other boys. He is one of the hardest working and very well spoken. For 23 years of age, he is very grounded, very mature and has immense potential. I hope WICB recognise this in him and invest into someone like him rather than Carlos who does not even show up for certain training sessions.

 
methodic 2017-03-05 10:29:08 

In reply to runout

Blackwood and Hope in the same sentence is blasphemy.

I agree, Blackwood and Dowrich both won test matches.

 
Andy99 2017-03-05 10:35:18 

In reply to methodic

But this is NOT a Test match going on here!

Dow has done shit in any limited overs version of the game at any level!

 
methodic 2017-03-05 10:42:59 

In reply to Andy99

Andy honestly, West Indies have to pick the best players and forget stressing numbers. Watching this team this morning, Ramdin should bat in the first 5 and Dowrich should bat 3. Rovman cannot be left out.

 
Andy99 2017-03-05 10:49:18 

In reply to methodic

Shouldn't the best actually show some talent at the lower levels?
You can't be the best if u doing nothing but shit(well actually u can if the lot is total shit)

But A team for them players.

Players like Rovman and Joseph who has shown talent in this format cannot be left out.

 
methodic 2017-03-05 10:57:36 

In reply to Andy99

Dowrich at the highest level demonstrated on more than than one occasion that he is West Indies most fluent player with the widest array of shots. Plus he has the nerve to take us over the finish line. If I was to take a gamble, I would gamble on Dowrich rather some of the gambles they took.

 
Andy99 2017-03-05 11:01:42 

In reply to methodic

Different formats.
Is he shit in regional 4-day cricket?
No he is quite dominant.

Tahir is the #1 ranked bowler in the world in T20s and ODI, guess what is Tests he is pure shit. In limited overs cricket economical as hell, in Tests runs flow off him with ease.

Guptill, a top player in T20s and ODIs, very quick and consistent scorer but in Test slow as hell and can't buy a run.

Different formats.

 
Cornfused 2017-03-05 11:06:21 

OP easy on the young man , some patience please .

 
methodic 2017-03-05 11:10:06 

In reply to Cornfused
I am patient. He debuted three years ago.

 
Courtesy 2017-03-05 11:15:46 

In reply to methodic

Shai Hope's ODI debut is only approx four (4) months old.

And even if you include test cricket, it's less than two years.

 
methodic 2017-03-05 11:25:18 

In reply to Courtesy

ok, how do you assess him as a player?

 
Courtesy 2017-03-05 11:26:41 

In reply to methodic

The very best of all what we have technically.

 
Andy99 2017-03-05 11:27:09 

In reply to methodic

I am patient. He debuted three years ago.


Ok well Dow made is limited over debut 7 years ago.
7 years and 65 matches(T20 and OD) later = pure shit.

 
Judgement 2017-03-05 11:27:52 

In reply to Andy99

big grin big grin big grin big grin big grin big grin big grin

 
methodic 2017-03-05 11:38:49 

In reply to Courtesy

The very best of all what we have technically.


Really! A technician is also a tactician in his own trade and he doesn't necessarily have to be orthodox. To me Shiv was one of the most technical players

 
Courtesy 2017-03-05 11:42:33 

In reply to methodic

...To me Shiv was one of the most technical players

I should have said currently.

Btw way Shiv was very, very unorthodox but only ok technically.

This is where I end my discussion on the technical aspects of cricket with you.

big grin

 
methodic 2017-03-05 12:04:55 

In reply to Courtesy

the success rate of a technician is very high

 
methodic 2017-03-05 16:19:43 

Hope versus Root. That is the difference between the two approaches. England never forgets who leads them to victory. They give him confidence, authority, training and support. West Indies forgets who led them to victory, demotes him, takes away his confidence, and discards him in search of a Hope that might never materialize.

 
Ragga007 2017-03-05 16:24:42 

Sunil Ambris merited the pick over Hope.

The selector is a jokee.

 
Andy99 2017-03-05 16:28:16 

In reply to Ragga007

lol lol lol lol lol

 
Andy99 2017-03-05 16:29:28 

In reply to methodic

West Indies forgets who led them to victory, demotes him, takes away his confidence, and discards him


Please do tell when did Dow lead WI to victory in ODIs, when WI demoted Dow in ODIs and when did WI discard Dow in ODIs.

 
GMA 2017-03-05 19:23:34 

In reply to methodic

I understand exactly what you're saying. But to pick him with his numbers
for ONE DAYERS would be an embarrassment.
And a disgrace. And a slap in the face to players who
made more runs than him. His ONE DAY stats are shocking.
Hope looked so good today. It was a really disappointing shot.
Kraigg has to stay. In fairness he has good skill in terms of negotiating
the new ball (England were at sea v Gabriel at the start).
But Kraigg must rotate the bloody strike better.
Rovman must come in for Carlos Brathwaite.
How is his bowling?

 
methodic 2017-03-05 19:43:44 

In reply to GMA

As far as bowling is concerned I will let Carter and Powell share Carlos's quota. As far is batting is concerned Dowrich must play forget dungheap numbers.

 
openning 2017-03-05 20:00:37 

In reply to methodic

How long have you been follow West Indies cricket?
We've been losing with what you want, Dowrich did not get to bat for the Pride in the just concluded tournament, yet from some miracle you had, want him in an International ODI team.
It make no sense.
The guys that should be promoated are Powell and Cornwall, both were part of either the A or Tri Nation teams, and performed well in the Regional tournament.
The only other guy that deserve his pick, from the regional 50 overs is Keiron Powell with his three tons.

 
methodic 2017-03-05 22:00:08 

In reply to openning

you talking about picking players with no resume,I talking about picking the man that played the leading hand in West Indies last victory. If West Indies need 65 runs to win and you had a choice between Powell and Dowrich to get those runs. I would choose Dowrich to get it.

 
jen 2017-03-05 22:04:33 

After 2 games and you all done writing him off? People, the man did well in Bangladesh along with Lewis. 2 games later you all want him gone stewppsss. Good thing you all not selectors. Memory tells me Rahul Dravid only average 27 after his first 27 ODIs

 
openning 2017-03-05 22:11:19 

In reply to methodic
Are you that limited with your comparison of players?
Dowrich is a wicketkeeper who bats, Powell is an All-rounder, two different roles.
Hope, Dowrich, Ambris and Walton all fighting for the same spot, thats the way I base my comparison of players.

 
methodic 2017-03-05 22:21:10 

In reply to jen

I did not write off Hope, all I said is that he is a dung heap specialist so far. He debuted against OZ, he didn't have a clue. He went to Sri Lanka, he didn't have a clue, then he went to OZ and didn't have a clue. Now he is failing against England with a very average bowling attack. He will score some runs against teams like Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.

 
methodic 2017-03-05 22:27:43 

In reply to openning

That is the bullshit that killing we, trying to squeeze players into a box. Dowrich is the best batsman in the Caribbean and should play as a batsman. Ambris can play just as a pure bat so too can Ramdin on pure ability if he was to score runs. Powell can play on this team as a lower order bat.

 
openning 2017-03-05 22:34:32 

In reply to methodic

I grew up watching best batsman from through out the region, so dont tell me of best.
I knew Rohan, Basil and others were batsman, not from looking good, but scoring runs.
I knew Viv, Lara and Shiv were batsman, not from looking good but scoring runs.
Dowrich has not done enough for me to jump and wave for his case.

 
methodic 2017-03-05 22:42:50 

In reply to openning

Now I could understand that but in this time of so many things unproven including the proving ground I would take a chance on someone that proved they can perform at the highest level fairly consistently.

 
methodic 2017-03-05 22:52:33 

In reply to openning

Every aspect of Cricket West Indies need Hope to succeed. It's almost like Carlos, Holder and Hope are the first stamps chosen to validate Cricket West Indies.

 
openning 2017-03-05 23:23:09 

In reply to methodic
I am a fan of both Hopes, they are among the best BCA batsman

 
Maispwi 2017-03-06 04:48:38 

In reply to methodic

De best batsman in Caribbean has a FC average of 36 after 61 games?

 
jen 2017-03-06 09:56:56 

In reply to methodic

Hope was playing in opening spots against those teams which he is not, similar to Leon Johnson lately. Them guys technique aint suited to open. Hope looked good in the first ODI. We all just want players to be dominant as soon as they start they career. It don't always happen so. As ah said, Dravid after 27 ODIs average just 27

 
doosra 2017-03-06 09:59:03 

IF YALL WANT he to develop as a batter

then let someone else keep

his poor showing with the gloves may even affect his batting

 
jen 2017-03-06 12:09:25 

In reply to doosra

That's true too.

 
natty_forever 2017-03-06 12:18:14 

Well the best bat in the West Indies right now is J Mo!

 
Kay 2017-03-06 12:38:43 

In reply to Maispwi

De best batsman in Caribbean has a FC average of 36 after 61 games?

Shhhhh!!! Hope springs eternal.... smile

 
Raggs 2017-03-06 13:14:41 

Shai Hope is the best bat in the carib bar Darren Bravo

 
dayne 2017-03-06 14:15:41 

What I do not understand, is the omission of Blackwood from the ODI team, he has 2 of the fastest Test fifties in WI history, he is on of the fastest men in the field, his entire game is more suited to ODI cricket, if Kraigg B and Hope could be in the ODI team then Blackwood should be in it.

 
methodic 2017-03-06 14:28:13 

In reply to jen

why is he keeping if they are selecting him as the leading batsman? Shouldn't they allow him to excel in his major role first?

 
methodic 2017-03-06 14:30:02 

In reply to Raggs

Shai needs runs at the highest level.

 
methodic 2017-03-09 13:37:01 

This is a good opportunity for Hope just to bat 50 overs and get a century

 
methodic 2017-03-09 14:21:44 

In reply to Raggs

Right now you have to rate Shai Hope as a good looking shit hung.