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Hope is a dungheap specialist
three years, one 50
Dude, for real????
That is the best talent WI have.
In reply to runout
He needs production though. Talent does not put food on the table or runs on the scoreboard.
In reply to runout
Most would agree, but he needs to put up.
In reply to Drapsey
Yes bro. Look he plays shot to force the game because dot-baller killing it.
In reply to Courtesy
Imagine if Hope played for England. He would have been a fine-tuned run machine, i guarantee you. The support system, the coaching, the accessibility to top class facilities etc. would have moulded that talent to a different par.
In reply to Judgement
I can see that's why so many Saffies and Irish opt to play for England. Nothing but the best will do.
In reply to Judgement
Yep and from my sources his work ethic is excellent.
Oh how we wish that we still had opportunities to play county cricket in motherland and hone our skills.
In reply to runout
Hope is not half as good as Dowrich. Dowrich, Hetmyer, Blackwood have more natural than Hope.
In reply to Drapsey
You are absolutely right. ECB adopt a completely different approach to the game and players around that mindset and support system, react accordingly.
In reply to methodic
I beg to differ. Blackwood and Hope in the same sentence is blasphemy.
In reply to Courtesy
I know Hope personally as i do some of the other boys. He is one of the hardest working and very well spoken. For 23 years of age, he is very grounded, very mature and has immense potential. I hope WICB recognise this in him and invest into someone like him rather than Carlos who does not even show up for certain training sessions.
In reply to runout
I agree, Blackwood and Dowrich both won test matches.
In reply to methodic
But this is NOT a Test match going on here!
Dow has done shit in any limited overs version of the game at any level!
In reply to Andy99
Andy honestly, West Indies have to pick the best players and forget stressing numbers. Watching this team this morning, Ramdin should bat in the first 5 and Dowrich should bat 3. Rovman cannot be left out.
In reply to methodic
Shouldn't the best actually show some talent at the lower levels?
You can't be the best if u doing nothing but shit(well actually u can if the lot is total shit)
But A team for them players.
Players like Rovman and Joseph who has shown talent in this format cannot be left out.
In reply to Andy99
Dowrich at the highest level demonstrated on more than than one occasion that he is West Indies most fluent player with the widest array of shots. Plus he has the nerve to take us over the finish line. If I was to take a gamble, I would gamble on Dowrich rather some of the gambles they took.
In reply to methodic
Different formats.
Is he shit in regional 4-day cricket?
No he is quite dominant.
Tahir is the #1 ranked bowler in the world in T20s and ODI, guess what is Tests he is pure shit. In limited overs cricket economical as hell, in Tests runs flow off him with ease.
Guptill, a top player in T20s and ODIs, very quick and consistent scorer but in Test slow as hell and can't buy a run.
Different formats.
OP easy on the young man , some patience please .
In reply to Cornfused
I am patient. He debuted three years ago.
In reply to methodic
Shai Hope's ODI debut is only approx four (4) months old.
And even if you include test cricket, it's less than two years.
In reply to Courtesy
ok, how do you assess him as a player?
In reply to methodic
The very best of all what we have technically.
In reply to methodic
Ok well Dow made is limited over debut 7 years ago.
7 years and 65 matches(T20 and OD) later = pure shit.
In reply to Andy99
In reply to Courtesy
Really! A technician is also a tactician in his own trade and he doesn't necessarily have to be orthodox. To me Shiv was one of the most technical players
In reply to methodic
I should have said currently.
Btw way Shiv was very, very unorthodox but only ok technically.
This is where I end my discussion on the technical aspects of cricket with you.
In reply to Courtesy
the success rate of a technician is very high
Hope versus Root. That is the difference between the two approaches. England never forgets who leads them to victory. They give him confidence, authority, training and support. West Indies forgets who led them to victory, demotes him, takes away his confidence, and discards him in search of a Hope that might never materialize.
Sunil Ambris merited the pick over Hope.
The selector is a jokee.
In reply to Ragga007
In reply to methodic
Please do tell when did Dow lead WI to victory in ODIs, when WI demoted Dow in ODIs and when did WI discard Dow in ODIs.
In reply to methodic
I understand exactly what you're saying. But to pick him with his numbers
for ONE DAYERS would be an embarrassment.
And a disgrace. And a slap in the face to players who
made more runs than him. His ONE DAY stats are shocking.
Hope looked so good today. It was a really disappointing shot.
Kraigg has to stay. In fairness he has good skill in terms of negotiating
the new ball (England were at sea v Gabriel at the start).
But Kraigg must rotate the bloody strike better.
Rovman must come in for Carlos Brathwaite.
How is his bowling?
In reply to GMA
As far as bowling is concerned I will let Carter and Powell share Carlos's quota. As far is batting is concerned Dowrich must play forget dungheap numbers.
In reply to methodic
How long have you been follow West Indies cricket?
We've been losing with what you want, Dowrich did not get to bat for the Pride in the just concluded tournament, yet from some miracle you had, want him in an International ODI team.
It make no sense.
The guys that should be promoated are Powell and Cornwall, both were part of either the A or Tri Nation teams, and performed well in the Regional tournament.
The only other guy that deserve his pick, from the regional 50 overs is Keiron Powell with his three tons.
In reply to openning
you talking about picking players with no resume,I talking about picking the man that played the leading hand in West Indies last victory. If West Indies need 65 runs to win and you had a choice between Powell and Dowrich to get those runs. I would choose Dowrich to get it.
After 2 games and you all done writing him off? People, the man did well in Bangladesh along with Lewis. 2 games later you all want him gone stewppsss. Good thing you all not selectors. Memory tells me Rahul Dravid only average 27 after his first 27 ODIs
In reply to methodic
Are you that limited with your comparison of players?
Dowrich is a wicketkeeper who bats, Powell is an All-rounder, two different roles.
Hope, Dowrich, Ambris and Walton all fighting for the same spot, thats the way I base my comparison of players.
In reply to jen
I did not write off Hope, all I said is that he is a dung heap specialist so far. He debuted against OZ, he didn't have a clue. He went to Sri Lanka, he didn't have a clue, then he went to OZ and didn't have a clue. Now he is failing against England with a very average bowling attack. He will score some runs against teams like Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.
In reply to openning
That is the bullshit that killing we, trying to squeeze players into a box. Dowrich is the best batsman in the Caribbean and should play as a batsman. Ambris can play just as a pure bat so too can Ramdin on pure ability if he was to score runs. Powell can play on this team as a lower order bat.
In reply to methodic
I grew up watching best batsman from through out the region, so dont tell me of best.
I knew Rohan, Basil and others were batsman, not from looking good, but scoring runs.
I knew Viv, Lara and Shiv were batsman, not from looking good but scoring runs.
Dowrich has not done enough for me to jump and wave for his case.
In reply to openning
Now I could understand that but in this time of so many things unproven including the proving ground I would take a chance on someone that proved they can perform at the highest level fairly consistently.
In reply to openning
Every aspect of Cricket West Indies need Hope to succeed. It's almost like Carlos, Holder and Hope are the first stamps chosen to validate Cricket West Indies.
In reply to methodic
I am a fan of both Hopes, they are among the best BCA batsman
In reply to methodic
De best batsman in Caribbean has a FC average of 36 after 61 games?
In reply to methodic
Hope was playing in opening spots against those teams which he is not, similar to Leon Johnson lately. Them guys technique aint suited to open. Hope looked good in the first ODI. We all just want players to be dominant as soon as they start they career. It don't always happen so. As ah said, Dravid after 27 ODIs average just 27
IF YALL WANT he to develop as a batter
then let someone else keep
his poor showing with the gloves may even affect his batting
In reply to doosra
That's true too.
Well the best bat in the West Indies right now is J Mo!
In reply to Maispwi
Shhhhh!!! Hope springs eternal....
Shai Hope is the best bat in the carib bar Darren Bravo
What I do not understand, is the omission of Blackwood from the ODI team, he has 2 of the fastest Test fifties in WI history, he is on of the fastest men in the field, his entire game is more suited to ODI cricket, if Kraigg B and Hope could be in the ODI team then Blackwood should be in it.
In reply to jen
why is he keeping if they are selecting him as the leading batsman? Shouldn't they allow him to excel in his major role first?
In reply to Raggs
Shai needs runs at the highest level.
This is a good opportunity for Hope just to bat 50 overs and get a century
In reply to Raggs
Right now you have to rate Shai Hope as a good looking shit hung.
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