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The bajans are not in charge of West Indies cricket

 
Courtesy 2017-03-09 15:49:27 

...but folks here want the buck to stop with them. Blame the bajan players.

What a facking upside down world dis is.

The real culprits are those who are in control and taking the decisions.

When H$H were in charge it was:..."they had to go"and now de real culprits are not even mentioned.

Just imagine if it were H&H in charge while the Brits sucking us dry.

Insular skunts.

 
sgtdjones 2017-03-09 15:52:19 

In reply to Courtesy

tell me nah as u are a a pharmacist, ah know u can count to one hundred

did H&H win the u19 , T20 , women t20 in any year

in dem time at the helm of de ship or did it hit a reef ?

were dem not insular also huh ?

ah just asking ?

rolleyes rolleyes

 
Slipfeeler 2017-03-09 15:54:52 

In reply to Courtesy

But they are the ones we see on the field messing up WI cricket and taking us to the lowest ebb in WI cricket.

 
Courtesy 2017-03-09 15:58:43 

Lemme hear if Cameron and co on the WICB will at least offer dem resignation.

The buck stops with Cameron $ Co. No amount of deflections will alter that fact.

And in organisations which hold the apex accountable they would be eating dirt by now.

Don't the blame on the players on the field. They are mere lambs to the slaughter.

 
sgtdjones 2017-03-09 16:02:39 

In reply to Courtesy


hunte was the first to take a salary until he was booted out.

Did hunte pay back fer he office and furniture at he house yet ?

The other H saw the writing on the wall and quit .

ah just asking ?

rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes

 
Courtesy 2017-03-09 16:18:39 

Btw, you may have noticed (whomever you are), I just allow jackasses to bray.

lol lol lol

 
Drapsey 2017-03-09 16:27:04 

In reply to Courtesy

Lemme hear if Cameron and co on the WICB will at least offer dem resignation.

At least you can't be accused of incorrigibility.

You've moved from demanding the resignation (or ouster by any means) of Cameron, to hoping that he would 'at least' offer his resignation.

 
WestDem 2017-03-09 16:28:47 

In reply to Courtesy

Btw, you may have noticed (whomever you are), I just allow jackasses to bray.
lol lol lol lol

You are being stalked or wha?

 
Courtesy 2017-03-09 16:28:55 

Btw, you may have noticed (whomever you are), I just allow jackasses to bray.

lol lol lol

 
Courtesy 2017-03-09 16:29:49 

In reply to WestDem

You are being stalked or wha?

...by donkeys with long cocks.

lol lol lol

 
natty_forever 2017-03-09 16:31:02 

In reply to WestDem... donkey nuh like hear donkey bray ... if a laaf ...

 
Courtesy 2017-03-09 16:32:32 

Another "hehaw" makes its appearance.

big grin

 
Courtesy 2017-03-09 16:34:31 

Anyway, back to more mundane matters.

A Jamaican at the apex oif West Indies cricket yet it's bajans receiving de blame.

Allyuh should be demanding that the BCA oversees cricket in the region and this will guarantee success in cricket.

They are a proven bunch of administrators.

 
JahJah 2017-03-09 16:43:07 

Is di Jamaicans select all dem wukliss Bajans. lol lol lol lol

 
Courtesy 2017-03-09 16:45:43 

Lord of Jahcasses arrive on de crime scene.

lol lol lol

Oh gord...I even see IQ on another thread making a grand appearance.

big grin

 
JahJah 2017-03-09 16:49:48 

Name: Courney Browne
Nationality: Jamaican


DWL!!!!!!!!!!!! lol lol lol lol

The Curt Sissy bline nuh rass!! lol lol

 
WestDem 2017-03-09 16:53:03 

In reply to Courtesy

Like dis thread gat molasses or wha? lol lol lol

 
Courtesy 2017-03-09 16:55:26 

In reply to JahJah

God, I am not worthy but I will engage you just once to bring some smarts to your empty skull. Every selector must be approved by Cameron and his bunch of merry men.

So if Browne is incompetent he was thrusted into the limelight by Cameron and Co.

Do you know what "the buck stops..." mean?

Bye, bye God...dis done God.

lol lol lol

 
Courtesy 2017-03-09 16:57:18 

In reply to WestDem

Like dis thread gat molasses or wha?

Yep. And to enjoy de honey ypu have to be the queen...not Jahdrone and company.

lol lol lol

 
TheTrail 2017-03-09 17:01:10 

In reply to Courtesy

There is jerk pork in that molasses - flies won't even touch it. lol lol

 
Courtesy 2017-03-09 17:03:51 

In reply to TheTrail

There is jerk pork in that molasses - flies won't even touch it.


To touch it just once, I had on gloves and used disinfectant. Don't you worry. I safe.

lol lol lol

 
Drapsey 2017-03-09 17:06:58 

I must confess my disappointment.

With the Yardies and Windots the only regions not represented on the Bajans and Friends team that just suffered this embarrassment of a beat-down (in our own backyard to boot), I thought there would've been common ground for some unity amongst. Yes, I thought those would've united against the obvious common enemy, but let's just say that I've been disappointed before.

 
Courtesy 2017-03-09 17:25:52 

Folks, have we ever been whitewashed in an ODI series by an England touring team and what about the margin of victory in this match...how does it match up"

 
FuzzyWuzzy 2017-03-09 18:05:19 

In reply to Courtesy

Is Kraigg fault wink

 
Courtesy 2017-03-09 18:21:40 

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

Is Kraigg fault

Fuzzy, Kraigg Brathwaite is too limited an ODI player player to be any ODI international team. No current international ODI opener has a strike rate of 57.

Isn't that enough to inform you?

We are using a metric of "batting out 50 overs" to justify Kraigg being on the team. This is not a reasonable justification, especially considering recent international par scores. Your objective is not just to bat 50 overs, but also to put runs on the board as well. These two factors should not be isolated. They must go hand in hand...batting 50 overs but also putting runs on the tin.

The "bat 50 over argument" can lead to the conclusion that our first six (6) front line can have a strike rate of 57 to achieve batting for 50 overs and it does not matter your final score. Why only give Kraig the liberty of a strike rate of 57.

It is also unfair to the other front line batsmen. They too can be given the laxity of a 57 SR if your objective is to bat 50 overs.

As I pointed out in another thread, when a team scores 300 with Kraigg scoring at at SR of 57 and facing half the number of balls, the other batsmen (cumulatively) have to score at a rate of 143+ to win the match in an ODI...how pratical is that? This is too onerous for the remaining batsmen.

The other batsmen batting around Kraigg with his overall (not initial SR for first 16 overs) strike rate of 57 makes absolutely no sense at all.

Cricketing trends are moving in one direction and West Indies are foolishly moving in the oposite direction.

 
FuzzyWuzzy 2017-03-09 18:56:15 

In reply to Courtesy

Sir. I did not read all of that. But I have never seen a batsman who has been dismissed scored any more runs. At least if you're at the crease you can still score.

 
TheTrail 2017-03-09 18:57:09 

Doh worry, Afghanistan is coming in May to finish off the WI team. They got lots of salt to rub in their wounds.

Phil is coming with a vengeance to finish off lemonade Dave and company proper.

 
Courtesy 2017-03-09 19:01:18 

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

But I have never seen a batsman who has been dismissed scored any more runs. At least if you're at the crease you can still score.

Look how foolish and uniformed the above statement is: If two batsmen like Kraigg bat out 50 overs the final score would be 171 in an ODI match. So the consideration should not only be staying at crease it should be accompanied by production.

And Kraigg does not help out sufficiently with his current level of production.

FYI 57 is Kraigg's overall strike rate...that's after he has gone thru all the gears.

lol lol lol

 
FuzzyWuzzy 2017-03-09 19:10:25 

In reply to Courtesy

I never once advocated staying at the crease ONLY.

Using your argument however tell me what will be score with Powell and Lewis getting out before the 5th over? big grin big grin big grin

 
Courtesy 2017-03-09 19:15:14 

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

I never once advocated staying at the crease ONLY.

But isn't this what Kraigg is doing, occupying the crease without the ability to score quickly and to turn over the strike?

Kraigg is a limited blocker who will get by in dung heap with 240 par scores...not at the international level.

 
FuzzyWuzzy 2017-03-09 19:19:35 

In reply to Courtesy

Obfusction? Answer the question asked


How you boy hope making out? With players like he Powell and Lewis withe stoke rate is super but the team total would be less than 100. How many matches you'll win with that? big grin big grin

 
Courtesy 2017-03-09 19:20:47 

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

Obfusction? Answer the question asked

Which question? Provide mathematical scenarios as I have been doing. This is not a seerman contest.

 
Courtesy 2017-03-09 19:27:09 

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

Can you ever win a Formula 1 race driving a donkey cart? This what Kraigg is attempting to do. How ridiculous.

 
SirGarny 2017-03-09 19:39:24 

In reply to Courtesy

A Jamaican at the apex oif West Indies cricket yet it's bajans receiving de blame.


Well Bajans are 6 of the 11 players...1 Guyanese, 2 each from the Combined Islands and T&T...but somehow the Jamaican in charge of the WICB is to blame for an 0-3 whitewash.....

In the words of the great John McEnroe..."You cannot be serious!" wink

 
Courtesy 2017-03-09 19:44:41 

In reply to SirGarny

Well Bajans are 6 of the 11 players...1 Guyanese, 2 each from the Combined Islands and T&T...but somehow the Jamaican in charge of the WICB is to blame for an 0-3 whitewash.....

In the words of the great John McEnroe..."You cannot be serious!"

When a company on the stock market does not turn over a profit or meet its revenue projections do you blame the line staff.

Cameron is the head of the organisation and oversees its successes as well as its failures. Stop being foolish and naive.

Btw, why did I waste my time with your post?

 
sgtdjones 2017-03-09 19:59:35 

In reply to Courtesy

Btw, you may have noticed (whomever you are), I just allow jackasses to bray.



I recon what i posted were facts, you know such are difficult to defend .

I tort a man of ya learnd experience, ooops political appointments, would know

"it takes one ta know one".

ya see ya just called yaself a jackarse.

but den again pharmacists are not known for brilliance, dem just gotta learn how to
count to one hundred, n it takes em three years before dem graduate.


hahahahaha

 
SirGarny 2017-03-09 20:04:39 

In reply to Courtesy


So you would compare "line staff" with the 11 on a cricket field? Surely you jest!

To say that means that the dominant years of Windies cricket were more the result of Peter Short's management than the play of Richards, Lloyd, Dujon, Greenidge & Haynes and 4 premium fast bowlers.

Who's being naive? wink

 
Courtesy 2017-03-09 20:09:44 

In reply to SirGarny

Yes. They belong to what we call organisations.

It was OK to call for the resignation of H&H but not Dave Cameron.

Mate, in every organisation the buck stops with the head of that organisation anyway you dice and slice it.

Why am I even arguing this with you?

Your tail does wag you?

 
sgtdjones 2017-03-09 20:09:51 

In reply to SirGarny

u gats time for this insular political appointee, ooops clown

he head so far up H&H arse he can't see straight.

notice he can't answer me questions?

lol lol lol

I just offended him with my common sense
shock

 
SirGarny 2017-03-09 20:25:13 

I haven't agreed with Dave Cameron on many instances and I believe the WICB can be much better managed. But in no way am I crediting him with 3 WC titles in 2015 or blaming him for an 0-3 whitewash at the hands of mediocre England....

The blame lies with the players and, to a lesser extent, a selector interested in the re-bajanization of West Indies cricket.

I saw some average, schoolyard, indifferent cricket out there today and Cameron can't be blamed for that! evil cry

 
Courtesy 2017-03-09 20:26:56 

In reply to SirGarny

I saw some average, schoolyard, indifferent cricket out there today and Cameron can't be blamed for that!

But it was OK to blame Hunte and Hilaire for the failings of our cricketers and to have a party and dance when they left.

De same way H^H heads were on the chopping block for the perceived failings of West Indies cricket so to must Dave Cameron.

The buck stops with Dave Cameron. He is the head of the organisation called Cricket West Indies.

And this is how you lend accountability to organisations.

Everyone within Cricket West Indies is accountable to Dave Cameron directly or indirectly.

 
sgtdjones 2017-03-09 20:34:28 

hello

hunte was on the board for 25 years if my memory serves me correctly

when did west indies cricket start to crumble ? He was on the board !!!

why shouldn't he be blamed?

he started to receive a salary, first president in our history.

he built an office in his home using WICB money

he rented office space from a building he owned. Isn't that a conflict of interest.

oh and Sammy, a life long contract as Captain . a first

most likely this poster is related to hunte. lol lol lol

ah just asking ?

 
SirGarny 2017-03-09 20:57:25 

In reply to Courtesy


But it was OK to blame Hunte and Hilaire for the failings of our cricketers and party and dance when they left.


H & H are forever linked to Darren Sammy....Windies cricket failed just as miserably prior to and after their tenure...

 
Courtesy 2017-03-09 21:00:43 

In reply to SirGarny

H & H are forever linked to Darren Sammy....Windies cricket failed just as miserably prior to and after their tenure...

You have just jettisoned off the globe with the above. I guess it's by design.

Have a great night and just get it in your head that the buck stops with the head of the organisation and not the line staff.

 
sgtdjones 2017-03-09 21:24:22 

awwwwwwww ya leaving sad sad

 
imusic 2017-03-09 22:12:47 

In reply to SirGarny

That particular Jamaican is a pox on West Indies cricket. And that's putting it mildly. No amount of young, inexperienced players from any territory can overcome that

Don't be naive

 
sgtdjones 2017-03-09 22:22:44 

In reply to imusic

take off ya rose colored glasses

wasn't the previous administration the same but with star players as they noted.

so what is the difference between both?

for almost 25 years we have had the same old boys club

now you blame the jamaican.

what a fickle bunch we are ? shock

 
openning 2017-03-09 23:46:08 

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy
This is not the right format for Kraigg at this time.
He is limited with his strokes and a SR in this format maybe good at the BCA level, but it is below par at the International level.
All three openers are not ready for this format, at the International level.

 
Courtesy 2017-03-10 07:02:45 

In reply to openning

Much respect mate. You keep your head above the sand always and that's an an important spin off of education.

And I know you don't have anything against Kraigg. Aamof, you have always demonstrated your support for the young man.

Mucho respeto.

 
SirGarny 2017-03-10 12:56:51 

In reply to imusic

In no way am I defending the overall management of the WICB by WD Cameron. He's not much different than his predecessor (s).

All I'm saying is that the players are the ultimate exponents and representatives of Windies Cricket and the majority of the credit/blame should be placed on them.

Tell me...who among us were singing the praises of Cameron and the WICB after the trifecta of international titles in one calendar year? None of us were!

To blame Cameron totally for an 0-3 whitewash is disingenuous. redface redface

 
SirGarny 2017-03-10 13:09:01 

In reply to Courtesy

Sir you appear to be speaking with a forked tongue.

You posted this yesterday afternoon...

Lemme hear if Cameron and co on the WICB will at least offer dem resignation.
The buck stops with Cameron $ Co. No amount of deflections will alter that fact.
And in organisations which hold the apex accountable they would be eating dirt by now.
Don't the blame on the players on the field. They are mere lambs to the slaughter.


On another thread entitled "What Int. Fans Are Saying About WICBC" you wrote,


Dem fans are really foolish...why blame the WICB? The players are the ones on the field not performing...not the board. The players must take all the blame for their non-performance, not those at the apex of the organisation.


For discussion's sake, where do you stand?

 
imusic 2017-03-10 13:14:50 

In reply to SirGarny

For discussion's sake, where do you stand?

sarcasm bruh

 
Courtesy 2017-03-10 13:19:32 

In reply to SirGarny

I never expected OSSIE MOORE to get it. That would be tantamount to a miracle.

lol lol lol

 
Courtesy 2017-03-10 14:06:24 

It's amazing, the pernicious forms of idiocy which festoon this MB...encroyable.

 
openning 2017-03-10 14:12:37 

In reply to SirGarny

For discussion's sake, where do you stand?

With the H&H regime

lol lol

 
natty_forever 2017-03-10 14:40:47 

... pot a call kettle black!

 
TheTrail 2017-03-10 14:40:58 

In reply to Courtesy

You should lay off some these big word - yuh might just screw up some these guy brain on this MB permanently.

lol lol lol lol lol

 
sgtdjones 2017-03-10 15:56:05 

In reply to TheTrail

You should lay off some these big word - yuh might just screw up some these guy brain on this MB permanently.



Maybe it will screw yours up.

it's typical of a shyster to try and mystify any assemblage with a palaver that flatter
individuals as yourself.

they tend to be oblivious and make absurd notations to questions asked.

 
Courtesy 2017-03-10 16:33:46 

In reply to TheTrail


lol lol lol

A couple a dem have their brains fried already.

Let's see how this develops further. St Anns here they come.

big grin

 
sgtdjones 2017-03-10 19:44:30 

In reply to Courtesy

ah see u can't answer facts huh ?


typical of a pharmacist, anything over 100 and dem confused.

I will be after you when you post one sided what u consider facts.



big grin big grin big grin

 
Courtesy 2017-03-10 20:05:44 

lol lol lol

Blow boy blow.

Rant, rant, rant.

 
sgtdjones 2017-03-10 20:09:42 

In reply to Courtesy

nah man . Only the facts holmes

like ah noted if it counts over 100 as a pharmacist you are lost .

big grin big grin big grin big grin

 
Courtesy 2017-03-10 20:10:37 

The latest modal vamp in mixolydian mode.

Play, play, play...doh stop, you Jackass.


lol lol lol

 
sgtdjones 2017-03-11 10:33:45 

In reply to Courtesy

nah man I wouldn't call you a jackarse

it would be so unfair and an insult to the animal IQ?

big grin big grin big grin big grin big grin big grin big grin