Bangladeshis Beat SL in Test

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link Pacy Joined: Dec 1, 2002
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3/19/17 2:34:09 PM 
In reply to hawk

I agree that Bangladeshi's have gradually improved but even today, if we have our best playing for us I dont think they can beat us at home. In Bangladesh it is a completely different we would be struggling.

link hawk Joined: Apr 1, 2007
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3/19/17 2:50:34 PM 
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the venue doesnt matter, and our so called best is not available or interested in the longer format, we need to stop harping on this and move on, our current crop of players just need to work on their game and improve, if they don't next time we meet Bnagladesh...here or there.....we will lose hands down

link FuzzyWuzzy Joined: Jun 1, 2005
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3/19/17 3:03:03 PM 
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Gayle struggles to get back to back bigscores these days and Fidel way past his sell by date

link Pacy Joined: Dec 1, 2002
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3/19/17 3:23:00 PM 
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the venue doesnt matter, and our so called best is not available or interested in the longer format, we need to stop harping on this and move on, our current crop of players just need to work on their game and improve, if they don't next time we meet Bnagladesh...here or there.....we will lose hands down


I agree with this. My response was for your statement that even with stars we would lose.

I still feel our stars are much better than the current bunch but they are not near WI side any more. As far s the current crop beating Bangladeshis is a huuuuge question mark even if they improve. But WI cricket has been going on wishes and hopes for long... So let us wait and watch.

The Pak series at home should show how the tide is going.

link analyst-kid Joined: Feb 22, 2003
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3/19/17 3:52:35 PM 
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I want you to know that those fast bowlers who excelled against Bang like Best and Fidel ALL did well in Bang.

link hawk Joined: Apr 1, 2007
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3/19/17 4:16:38 PM 
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The Pak series at home should show how the tide is going.


More than you can ever imagine, but let it be known...West Indies are a very weak side, even when the stars were playing, back then they were still better than Bangladesh, now Bangladesh has come so far and challenging sides far better than the west Indies

link analyst-kid Joined: Feb 22, 2003
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3/19/17 4:44:01 PM 
lets see...our batting; This is a list of all our current eligible batsmen who have played against Bang in test matches ..I have put stats for Holder and Dowrich against Pak since they never played against Bang

Keiran Powell avg 27.48 avg vs Bang 66.60
Kraigg Brathwaite avg 37.52 avg vs Bang 58.14
Darren Bravo avg 40.00 avg vs Bang 62.77
Leon Johnson avg 25.18 avg vs Bang 53.50
Marlon Samuels avg 32.64 avg vs Bang 69.42
Jermaine Blackwood avg 31.33 avg vs Bang 42.00
Kirk Edwards avg 31.80 avg vs Bang 46.66
Shane Dowrich avg 34.08 avg vs Pak 46.33
Jason Holder avg 28.60 avg vs Pak 41.00
Denesh Ramdin avg 25.87 avg vs Bang 48.74
Bowling

Shannon Gabriel avg 38.12 avg vs Bang 29.60 5 wickets
Davendro Bishoo avg 37.00 avg vs Bang 21.18 11 wickets

link analyst-kid Joined: Feb 22, 2003
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3/19/17 4:47:13 PM 
Not one of our batsmen have averaged below 40 against Bang!

And none of our bowlers above 30.....still feel Bang can beat WI?
last test series WI should have beaten Pak 2-1 instead of losing 2-1!

link hawk Joined: Apr 1, 2007
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3/19/17 5:05:23 PM 
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your stats are noted, but this is not the same Bangladesh side we played against in 2012 and prior, vast improvements, I call it as I it on current form, and i see a better Bangladesh albeit we did well in UAE, as stated the upcoming Pak series will tell us if that was a flash in the pan or progress.

link analyst-kid Joined: Feb 22, 2003
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3/20/17 3:05:20 PM 
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C'mon...you are not analysing the cricket properly. No way Bang could have beaten Sri Lanka if they had a Vaas or Malinga to accompany Herath. Two hungry fast medium bowlers in Lakmal avg 49 and Gunaratne avg 82 will not deter Bang although WI fast medium Pedro Collins used to rip apart Bang ave 16 with 26 wickets against them.

I seriously doubt if this Sri Lanka team could beat a more experienced WI test team now...last time Samuels and Ramdin severely let us down as experienced players against them.

Bang fraid express pace...Sri Lanka tried to beat them with spin alone (Herath and Perera) and failed.

link hawk Joined: Apr 1, 2007
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3/20/17 8:34:59 PM 
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I don't look at cricket with "ifs" i look at the 11 taking the field right now, but in all honesty Vaas and Malinga makes Sri Lanka a different team and way above Bangaldesh.....but...they are not playing, conversely this Sri Lanka would not beat a West Indies side of 2012, however they both will beat a West Indies side of 2017, i don't think as a team we are good enough right now but i am reserving final judgement until after the Pakistan test

link analyst-kid Joined: Feb 22, 2003
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3/20/17 9:42:14 PM 
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The WI team of 2012 couldn't beat Pak in Pak in no test.

This side should have won that series vs Pak...WI bowling in my opinion is on the improve and that means a team capable of taking 20 wickets.

link analyst-kid Joined: Feb 22, 2003
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3/20/17 9:48:46 PM 
The emergence of Joseph to join Gabriel along with the return of Roach with Bishoo,Holder and Chase means that WI can mount competitive bowling....we couldn't say that for a while now.

Teams with all spin attacks like Sri Lanka and Bangladesh will hardly stop this WI team now after they have faced Pak and Ind.

link hawk Joined: Apr 1, 2007
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3/20/17 10:57:16 PM 
In reply to analyst-kid

Our bowling hasn't too often been the issue, it is the batting, over the years our batting has been incapable of posting scores that would challenge the major test sides, taking 20 wickets is great but that won't happen often unless you put decent runs on the board...we have not been dong this
Roach has not returned to the team as yet, Bishoo....blows hot and cold, Holder's development is way to slow, Chase will be challenged to keep his spot in the team, his modest returns this season could pave the way for someone else. that being said if they can seriously challenge Pakistan then i am happy to reverse my position

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