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matchstick 2017-03-27 13:34:56 

To keep this discussion even I will use two examples from either side of the convo... Hope & Ambris

Both scored a double this PCL round, good on both but lets take a look at consistency.

(FC & International innings combined)

Hope - 27, 63, 56, 62, 125, 101, 31, 16, 16, 8, 6* & then a double

Ambris - 69, 7, 50, 67*, 75*, 53, 48, 1, 10, 24, 15, 5 & then a double

As a player if you are stepping to the crease for 3 or more consecutive innings and can't get past 40, especially when you are in form you need to look at yourself very closely.

3 innings is sometimes a whole tour, as was the case for Hope against England.

As fans, if your horse is not putting up 40+ scores at least every other innings then don't waste your bet.

Hope these two men continue onward from their double ton. Hope they become consistent contributors to their teams more so.

 
CricketLuva4 2017-03-27 13:51:14 

In reply to matchstick

So they both pulled a Lara. cool

 
matchstick 2017-03-27 17:55:35 

In reply to CricketLuva4

Surely u are not trying to say Lara came down to FC level and consistently struggle

 
POINT 2017-03-27 18:13:16 

In reply to matchstickL

Let me state a freaking fact ,in the
Windward Islands ; the Annual Tournament has a duration of 2
DAYS .

NOW THIS IS A TOURNAMENT

THAT USED TO HAVE A DURATION

OF 4 DAYS FOR 4 INNINGS TO

BE COMPLETED .

Currently the Windward Islands
longest version of the game is playedover 2 Freaking days .

THIS OBVIOUSLY MEANS THAT

REPRESENTATIVE TEAMS FROM

DOMINICA ; ST. LUCIA ; GRENADA

& ST. VINCENT HAVE ONLY 2 DAYS

TO COMPLETE 2 INNINGS EACH .

In my opinion this is outrageous ,
because playing 4 innings in 2days
is detrimental to the idea of achieving the concentration that is
necessary to be fully competitive
in 4 days Matches .

This is why I salute Sunil Ambris
being able to concentrate long enough to attain 231runs .

In this Forum I have consistently
been very critical of the Worst Cricket Board in the Region ,the
Windward Islands Cricket Board .

Imagine 4 Cricket Boards , and they
each cannot raise 10 thousand dollars to ensure that the Windwards Tournament revert back
to having 4 days matches .

 
matchstick 2017-03-27 19:12:17 

In reply to POINT


Find your way to an island where more crixket is playing and stop waiting for idiots to fix a broken system


Btw... take ur rant off my thread.

U don't see me hopping on your complaining/gumbunping thread with common sense posts. So don't come on my common sense thread with your complaining/gumbumping ways here.

Oh... and have a nice day! cool

 
doosra 2017-03-27 19:24:41 

In reply to matchstick

Team could be 2 up by the time they failed

 
Courtesy 2017-03-27 19:38:11 

In reply to matchstick

You have 11 innings for Sir Shai Hope above. The NO does not count as an inning...so effectively 10 innings. There are 5 scores over 50+ (not counting the double ton) in ten innings....this translates to...(Matchie do the maths.)

And Hope's average (not counting the double ton) = (Matchie do the maths)

Counting the double ton = a whooping...% (do the maths).

Doosie, you are allowing persons to bamboozle you with data. Shame on you.

big grin

 
matchstick 2017-03-27 20:39:04 

In reply to Courtesy

So you are the type of person who will be comfortable by a nice average with an nicer outlier.

What I am pointing out there is an epidemic in WI cricket.

No one's favourite batsman can exempt themselves.

Btw the math u need to do is with local vs international. Unless u a local mathematician only.

 
Courtesy 2017-03-27 20:50:58 

In reply to matchstick

So you are the type of person who will be comfortable by a nice average with an nicer outlier.

What I am pointing out there is an epidemic in WI cricket.

No one's favourite batsman can exempt themselves.

Btw the math u need to do is with local vs international. Unless u a local mathematician only.


You have started a thread with a shoite conclusion that is not backed up by the data you provided and you are perpetuating more shoite.

You posted the stats...not me. I just took them apart.

 
matchstick 2017-03-27 21:09:22 

In reply to Courtesy

What is unclear from the lead post and not represented in the stats?


As a player if you are stepping to the crease for 3 or more consecutive innings and can't get past 40, especially when you are in form you need to look at yourself very closely.


shoite conclusion


Ent.

Bajan Logic.

Take ur blue spectacles apart... how bow dat
lol lol

 
Courtesy 2017-03-27 21:18:02 

In reply to matchstick

Scoring over 40 every other innings...

...but he has produced 5 consecutive innings of over 40 out of ten innings.

So in essence, he doubled your expectation for 5 innings (and you gave him absolutely NO CREDIT) and fell short the other 5.

In other words, take a look at all the branches, not just the latter half and don't judge Shai Hope by the latter half of the stats alone.

Taken on a whole, the stats you provided for Shai Hope are good stats and I am using averages to back that up.

In any data set and by any statistical measurement, these numbers would look damn good.

In conclusion, your hard and fast rule for "consistency" is SHOITE and simplistic at best.

..................

Btw, would this pass your smell test for "consistency" :

Batsman's scores 43, 0, 41, 1, 42, 2, 43, 3, 44, 0, 46, 5, 47, 4, 48, 7...(Hope you get the tenor of my thrust).

lol lol lol

 
jelfew 2017-03-27 22:54:54 

In reply to matchstick

Your post and the stats make interesting reading and I hope as you do, that the double ton scored by Hope and Ambris is the beginning of the CONSISTENCY we would like to see. From your stats it shows that both started out consistently well and then consistently failed to deliver, until the double ton. You said the double ton was good for them both, which your critics seem to overlook.

AGAIN, I HOPE THIS WILL BE THE START OF SOMETHING BIG FOR BOTH BATSMEN, thus giving us the pleasure of praising them CONSISTENTLY. big grin big grin big grin

 
cricketmygame 2017-03-28 09:37:47 

In reply to matchstick

is how you fugg up Point so DWL big grin

 
doosra 2017-03-28 10:01:57 

In reply to Courtesy

nah

matchie on an agenda here

i ent got time to argue with he

big grin

 
doosra 2017-03-28 10:02:32 

In reply to Courtesy

this is a guy who give us 60 000 runs for Shiv the other day

credibility with numbers you say? big grin big grin big grin

 
natty_forever 2017-03-28 10:19:47 

In reply to jelfew... hence my selection policy of ... let me see what you have done after 3 years.

 
matchstick 2017-03-28 18:47:15 

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matchstick 2017-03-28 18:48:00 

In reply to Courtesy

Sir ur making ur self and idiot to prove ur smart. Carry on.

 
Courtesy 2017-03-28 21:44:06 

In reply to matchstick

Sir ur making ur self and idiot to prove ur smart. Carry on.

It does not take long for a simpleton to run out of ideas and put his tail between his hind legs.

Dais all you can say in your post?

lol lol lol

 
doosra 2017-03-29 06:29:52 

In reply to Courtesy

yall try wid the new statistician in chief yeh

big grin

 
Courtesy 2017-03-29 08:09:17 

In reply to doosra

yall try wid the new statistician in chief yeh

lol lol lol

...............
Matchie, how about this new definition for consistency in batting = A score of 40+ every other innings while maintaining an overall 40+ average.

...............

Matchie come back and tell me if it good?

big grin

 
matchstick 2017-03-29 10:08:08 

In reply to Courtesy

Sir ur making ur self and idiot to prove ur smart. Carry on.

You make a much better secretary than providing a rebuttal to a proper argument...

Water always find it's level...

lol lol lol

 
matchstick 2017-03-29 10:08:46 

In reply to doosra

Aunti Chrissy give you a break from washing her petty coat doos? You have lots of time to bump you gum. lol lol

 
StumpCam 2017-03-29 10:22:41 

In reply to Courtesy

Matchie, how about this new definition for consistency in batting = A score of 40+ every other innings while maintaining an overall 40+ average.


Maybe he is referring to the average/match as oppose to average/inning, hence the nom de plume Matchie. lol lol

 
matchstick 2017-03-29 10:27:50 

In reply to Courtesy

Dear Ms/Sir Secretary,

In you initial and subsequent responses to my lead post in this communication I detected that there has been a misunderstanding of my intentions. I am proposing that players, particularly those being touted by many of the fair-weather fans, need to be consistent enough to make steady contributions to their batting line up. Furthermore I am specifically stating that a player, in form, needs to make contributions of at least 40+ scores every other inning to his team.

It is apparent that this proposal slipped past your secretarial review. It seems to be further apparent that you interpretation is that if a player scores consistent 40+ scores at some point of his career he is forever exempt from this analysis.

I sincerely urge you to give this another review and consideration. Another example I would use to persuade you to grasp this rather rudimentary concept is Virat Kohli and the recent lean patch he experienced in in the India home series against Australia. With scores of 0, 13, 12, 15 and 6, Kohli, who many are comfortable with referring to as a modern day great, left a void in his team's ability to compete with the Australians. It is fair to argue in Kohli's case that he is a proven performer and will get over this lean patch but that is beyond the scope of this communication.

Sincerely,
matchstick.


lol lol lol

There I tried my very best to speak in what sees to be your more acclimated secretarial communication.

Here's hoping you enjoy a great day free of paper cuts and broken nails. Cheers! lol lol

 
Courtesy 2017-03-29 11:38:51 

In reply to matchstick

...Another example I would use to persuade you to grasp this rather rudimentary concept is Virat Kohli and the recent lean patch he experienced in in the India home series against Australia. With scores of 0, 13, 12, 15 and 6, Kohli, who many are comfortable with referring to as a modern day great, left a void in his team's ability to compete with the Australians. It is fair to argue in Kohli's case that he is a proven performer and will get over this lean patch but that is beyond the scope of this communication...


Dear Mr. Matchie,

I am struck by the ineptitude of your statement above but I will give you the benefit of the doubt by concluding that it's a futile attempt at comedy. I do hope that you have at the very least an iota of smarts to conclude that the above negates your very argument.

May I offer you a bit of advice?...always attempt to think before you utter such gibberish. Your statement quoted here is a prefect example of someone who shoots from the hip and ends up shooting himself in the foot. Commiserations nonetheless for the self inflicted damage.

Finally, I seek wisdom here not the complete buffoonery that you have presented here. The above is classical of what I speak...there is zero veracity in the statement above but what it rightfully illustrates, is your total ignorance of the concept of team, a total disregard for statistics, the inability to recognize and put into context a world class batsman going through a lean patch, and a lack of judgement to decipher greatness in a cricketer.

The rest of your post is pure jackassery and will be treated as such..

I do not wish however to get a response from you on this post, nor will you receive any further hearing from me. The reason should be quite obvious to you.

Please continue to wallow in your usual ignorance and enjoy the rest of the day.

De Courtesy.


lol lol lol

 
matchstick 2017-03-29 17:30:48 

In reply to Courtesy

Secretary Courtesy

U are eloquent in your response but very much lacking in the substantial rebuttal of my proposal. Simply yelling and screaming that something isn't right does not convince much that it is wrong.


I do not wish a response from you neither



Well haul the fack off the thread then.

 
matchstick 2017-03-30 18:27:16 

Even Lewis...


75 47 18 21 8 0 22 25 10 3

The Secretary will type up a nice reply saying that he scored 2 40+ scores in there and he should an all time great... or something like that.

 
matchstick 2017-03-30 23:33:01 

Hey Secretary...


Maybe you will get a 30 Ave with this current player...

108, 3, 52, 51, 54, 22, 14, 42, 5, 143

DO THE MATH

 
matchstick 2017-03-31 06:45:58 

Hey Secretary

Do the math again please...

100, 4, 143, 101, 22*, 58*, 1, 17, 57, 5, 50, 63

You cannot see there is something drastically wrong with that statement?...and that is a batsman can meet your higher standard criterion and still not average 30


Secretaries by definition are desk bound and not steep in practical knowledge outside their formal proof reading and some theoretical assertion.

Waiting on this secretary to provide a practical example of any player who meets his/her theoretical assertion.

Waiting, Secretary!