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Providence pitch will favour batsmen and fastmen
Narper
2017-04-03 18:05:32
GEORGETOWN, Guyana, Apr 1, CMC Head curator Wasim Habib believes the Guyana National Stadium pitch will be good cricket wicket capable of producing high totals, during the upcoming three-match One-Day International series between West Indies and Pakistan.
However, Habib said that with the newly re-laid pitches for the April 7-11 series, he expected both the faster bowlers and batsmen to find assistance.
Based on the pitches that we are preparing it should be great for one-day cricket. The outfield is very quick and it will get better by time of the game, he told the Guyana Times newspaper here.
It is a new soil, a new foundation. This is one we laid last, hopefully it will be better than the one we used to have. It should be more of a quick pitch and a little more bounce.
The highest score at the ground during last years Tri-Nations came when West Indies chased down 188 to beat South Africa.
Narper
2017-04-03 18:06:03
The pitch we are trying to do is more grass based and we trying to roll it in so spin might not be a factor, he pointed out. We are trying to get a pitch that lasts 100 overs and gives really good and exciting cricket.
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Narper
2017-04-03 18:07:47
FULL SQUAD (with shirt numbers)
98. Jason Holder (Captain)
70. Devendra Bishoo
78. Jonathan Carter
41. Miguel Cummins
85. Shannon Gabriel
4. Shai Hope
18. Alzarri Joseph
17. Evin Lewis
93. Jason Mohammed
5. Ashley Nurse
23. Kieran Powell
52. Rovman Powell
57. Chadwick Walton
Narper
2017-04-03 18:08:39
Alyuh have any confidence in any WI curator?
Watch Pakistan pack their team with spinners and cut we arse
silver
2017-04-03 18:13:58
Wow a pitch in the Muddland that will favor fast bowling, Jesus is really coming
tops
2017-04-03 18:43:50
In reply to Narper
"Alyuh have any confidence in any WI curator?"
Man, u read me mind. I was thinking I have to C that to believe.
sgtdjones
2017-04-03 18:50:27
In reply to Narper
Alyuh have any confidence in any WI curator? big grin
Watch Pakistan pack their team with spinners and cut we arse big grin
hahahaha I love the comments
imusic
2017-04-03 19:19:03
It is a new soil, a new foundation. This is one we laid last, hopefully it will be better than the one we used to have. It should be more of a quick pitch and a little more bounce.
Uh oh
Ridge
2017-04-03 19:19:16
Travelling to Guyana on Sunday.
If West Indies put a fight in the first two matches
I might go to the match on Tuesday.
Narper
2017-04-03 19:36:33
In reply to Ridge
If you want to 'watch' cricket then watch the TV coverage
if you want to party at cricket then go to the ground
db
2017-04-03 20:00:27
Hope a match has been played on that new pitch; no further embarrassment is needed
mikesiva
2017-04-04 02:13:49
In reply to Narper
Dujon questioned that prediction during commentary yesterday. Providence is below sea level he said and as a result he doesn't expect any bounce of significance. He also expects the ball to keep low and slow for the same reason.
thefacts
2017-04-04 02:29:04
In reply to Narper
A relaid pitch promising to be Fast & Bouncy ... hmmm, how many times have we been here in last 25 years?
Emir
2017-04-04 07:03:58
In reply to Narper
For me it is very simple, if the pitch does not "behave" like the head curator said, then his job should be on the line- no different than when a player gets drop for non performance.
Narper
2017-04-04 07:06:18
In reply to Emir
Dem fellas get paid next to nothing.
Cornfused
2017-04-04 08:23:17
Pitch management it not taken as a science in these parts . In the last 15 years we have not produced many bowlers that can consistently out batsmen at the international level.
In the odd chance that this is true ,Al Jo , the Angel and I hope Cummings puts his hand up, all should be more than a handful. Pace and bounce will skittle most Asian teams.
dayne
2017-04-04 08:27:24
Good to read that they tried to rectify the issues with that pitch, it is about time. It should be entertaining to see what happens
thefacts
2017-04-04 08:51:49
On the contrary, I think for international games, we should have flat batting tracks.
Our batsmen are particularly good hitting through the line.
That stand and deliver shot without much feet movement is easily our biggest strength!
As for our bowlers, lets be honest, we don't have pacers to exploit conditions.
But we do have a few spinners who can be relied upon.
All in all, High Scoring Batsmen Friendly Pitches should be the way forward for us.
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as for this comment:
Pace and bounce will skittle most Asian teams.
My 2 cents is .. right now, Pakistan and India... have faster and deadlier pacers than anyone we have.
Anything we plan to do to their batsmen, could come back to hurt us ten times fold.
I'd say "lets be careful what we wish for... as sometimes, the hunter becomes the hunted".
Narper
2017-04-04 09:02:36
In reply to Cornfused
Pace and bounce will skittle most Asian teams.
Will also skittle any WI team today
thefacts
2017-04-04 09:10:58
In reply to Narper
Top 3 Pacers in Pakistans ODI squad:
Aamir
Wahab
Junaid
I pray the groundsman is wrong!
StumpCam
2017-04-04 10:19:12
In reply to thefacts
I pray the groundsman is wrong!
So, WI will move forward by adopting a cowardly approach?
OK, I think I got it now!
thefacts
2017-04-04 10:55:37
In reply to StumpCam
How is playing to your strengths cowardly?
Or in your opinion, ONLY PACE BOWLING is a Strength?
StumpCam
2017-04-04 11:13:40
In reply to thefacts
Or in your opinion, ONLY PACE BOWLING is a Strength?
Is that MY opinion????
natty_forever
2017-04-04 11:26:30
In reply to StumpCam... the man ask a question and you answer with a question.
jen
2017-04-04 11:47:09
In reply to thefacts
With pakistan as the opposition, bouncing wickets can play in our favor. Member Taylor and Holder in the world cup? Pakistan is the most suspect to bounce of all the sub continent teams.
Also, I don't see the fuss in trying to get every venue to be playing the same. I don't mind Guyana playing a little slower and lower than other pitches, but it shouldn't be so much so that you can't scrape 250. You want to avoid no class spinners strangling teams to get 190.
Andy99
2017-04-04 11:51:28
But seriously, with their fast men, we wanna go down that route?
Kay
2017-04-04 11:59:21
Alyuh doan get unhinged here. The groundsmen just pulling a fast one and hope that Pakistan will bite and leave out all dem spinners and load up on pacers
StumpCam
2017-04-04 12:03:54
thefacts
2017-04-04 12:34:29
In reply to StumpCam
Son, do you know what playing to your strengths mean?
sgtdjones
2017-04-04 12:36:54
In reply to StumpCam
"EASY LESSON GOOD FOR DUNCE!" lol lol lol
ya sure ya father in law wasn't talking bout u?
thefacts
2017-04-04 12:50:51
In reply to sgtdjones
ya sure ya father in law wasn't talking bout u?
That was a KILLER...
man, you are on a ROLL!!!!!!!
FIL sure pulled a fast one on poor Stumpy!!!!
natty_forever
2017-04-04 13:25:24
In reply to StumpCam... well lets deal with the pitches in our FC first, allow the players to get familiar with it. Not have us playing on it the same time as the opposition. No?
Baje
2017-04-04 16:13:07
In reply to jen
Pakistan have quality pacers. A couple of them are really really fast 95+
WestDem
2017-04-04 16:45:59
shivnotout
2017-04-04 17:29:56
In reply to WestDem
What I do know is which team will get the majority support from the fans!!!
Bishoo fetching de towel or wah
wicket nah tek spin.dah wah them say
Narper
2017-04-04 18:04:50
In reply to shivnotout
Bishoo fetching de towel or wah
Bishoo is not Deo
Bishoo playing
jen
2017-04-04 19:45:09
In reply to Baje
which couple? Only Wahab Riaz is consistently fast. Amir and Junaid is more excellent swing than pace.
shivnotout
2017-04-04 20:19:22
In reply to Narper
Bishoo is not Deo wink
Bishoo playing
ah think am gonna have bish in my top five
Scar
2017-04-05 00:40:41
In reply to Baje
Dude very few gast bowlers get to 95mph. Most true quicks effort ball get 90. Still there were many from all Test nations that hit high speeds and punted to nothimg special. Quicks who hit 89 to 90 and can move the ball around a couple times an over are the most deadly.
thefacts
2017-04-05 00:48:15
In reply to Scar
Excellent Points.
This forever obsession with "Pace Like Fire" has contributed majorly to the decline of the art of Fast Bowling in the West Indies.
Other skills like "swing", "Seam", "Change of Pace", "Bowling Yorkers" etc have become rare....
Right now, 90% of the Caribbean pacers do the same thing... i,e HIT THE BACK OF THE LENGTH area... and in their quest to keep bowling "Fast" end up getting injured, especially back injuries.
In recent past, say 10 years.... almost all the "fast" pacers have got injured with back or stress injuries.
Scar
2017-04-05 00:56:11
In reply to thefacts
People forget that is what made Castro dangerous on his good days. He used to move it away a bit. His unpredictability/lack of control unfortumately made it as hard for the slips as the batsmen. I felt that his 5'9 frame contributed much to his inconsistency
Scar
2017-04-05 00:58:46
In reply to thefacts
Its why Zo is promising to be a good one. At least this new coach should know a thing or two about swing bowling which prior coaches except Otis seemed to lack. That should help Zo
thefacts
2017-04-05 01:02:53
In reply to Scar
Castro was good in my opinion.
He could swing the new and old ball, had a very good yorker.
His major limitation(s) were
- control, considering his slinging action, that was bound to happen
- fitness, he just kept getting injured all the time
- inability to mould game for conditions while playing away from home.
Castro is a perfect example of how our players even after a decade don't overcome their shortcomings.
Its like they never work on their game(s) to become better cricketers.
In recent years, I can't think of anyone but Shiv, who actually kept adding new dimensions to his game consistently.
thefacts
2017-04-05 01:08:40
In reply to Scar
Its why Zo is promising to be a good one. At least this new coach should know a thing or two about swing bowling which prior coaches except Otis seemed to lack. That should help Zo
I'll take your word brother.
It just amazes me however, that don't our cricketers have brains for themselves?
Can't they work out their shortcomings and then invest in their own improvement?
Before the era of these "all powerful" coaching staffs... cricketers would all the time keep working on their own game, by themselves
Did Viv, Walsh, Marshall, Lara, Shiv , even non-greats like Big Bravo, Narine, Gayle (the T20 stars) ... need a coach to tell them to work on their game?
They could think for themselves and improve accordingly ...
Problem in my opinion is... our recent (general) group of cricketers / administrators / selectors / coaches etc are frankly not that smart, to put it politely.
tc1
2017-04-05 02:24:19
In reply to Scar
The human body is not designed to bowl at speed of 90 mph, and as a result, many fast bowlers would end up injuring themselves or having a short shelve life.
shivnotout
2017-04-05 19:36:08
In reply to Narper
ah need help. picking 2 batsmen and 2 fastmen from west indies line up?
they have any?
Scar
2017-04-05 22:05:59
In reply to tc1
Thats not exactly so. I take it you mean consecutively bowling at 89/90 mph. Thats the point I made that 89 or 91 is what is called an effort ball. The top 10 quicks ever all lasted 10 years in Tests and played cricket internationally overall for 15 years. MLB pitchers whose pelting motion puts as much strain on elbows and rotator cuffs last about the same 15 year pitching lifespan. Its about managememt knowing when to rest and how long to recover.
davo61
2017-04-06 00:02:59
In reply to silver
Dude, u obviously don't know anything about cricket in Guyana & clearly never lived there. If so, u would know that the GDF pitch is one of the fastest in the Region. Ask any West Indian Testie who practiced there, if u could, u will be enlightened. Also the Police & DCC tracks are quite lively, so is the Hampton Court surface. At Bourda, u reaped what u put in. Ian Bishop broke Kris Srikkanth's hand with a lethal bouncer there, Colin Croft left Graham Yallop's face a bloody mess from a bullet-like snorter, Javed Miandad was top edging sixes off Patrick Patterson there in 1988. This cannot happen on a dead track. Michael Holding wrecked Guyana that included Kallicharan, Lloyd & Co in 1975, to infuence his Test call-up in 1975, there too. I could go on & on. And FYI, Guyana is on a continent where hard soil is plentiful to make fast, bouncy pitches, not any sandy island.
tc1
2017-04-06 00:27:19
In reply to Scar
Named me one fast bowler than hit 90mph for 15 years, name one major pitcher then hit 95 mph for 15 years.
The live span of fast bowlers may be 10 years, as for major leaguers it may be the same with 250 wins being a good career, with a chance to the hall of fame.
shivnotout
2017-04-06 01:17:10
In reply to tc1
Named me one fast bowler than hit 90mph for 15 years, name one major pitcher then hit 95 mph for 15 years.
name me one batsman that bat for 25 hours and 13 minutes and still notout.and play Test cricket for 21 years.
thefacts
2017-04-06 01:50:43
In reply to shivnotout, tc1, scar
The obsessions of our fraternity with "Pace like Fire", "World Domination" and "Longevity" as the only combined criteria(s) for respect is truly unique.
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In my small experience(s), the world over, I have not seen this aspect with any other community/fraternity.
Aussies just believe in playing Hard and their Best XI. They really don't have respect for "Stats", "Longevity" and "On Paper Greatness". Or Speeds for that matter. They just focus on playing their best team.
Saffies too are bit like the Aussies, without the cocky bullishness
The Asians on the other hand, are in love with "Stats" but not Longevity or Pace/Spin like Fire.
The Pommies frankly have an attention span of a couple of seasons max. They really are "Live in the Moment" types.
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In conclusion, i'd say globally, we might be the hardest place to get RESPECT.
Because we don't care if our backsides are whalloped series after series... what only matters to us is ... was it "Pace Like Fire", "was it over 10-15 years" etc etc
P.S> I'd say this is a psychological hangover from the generation that witnessed the dominance of 1980's. I think this forum is full of such "living in the past" folks.
shivnotout
2017-04-06 09:18:05
In reply to thefacts
Because we don't care if our backsides are whalloped series after series... what only matters to us is ... was it "Pace Like Fire"
fire in de place
anthonyp
2017-04-06 09:32:42
When de Guyana Jaguars practiced on it ball was rolling and so on... Don't get yall hopes up.. gonna be spinning and keeping low from ball one
Narper
2017-04-06 19:18:32
Because of the short time and the rainy weather we could not have any games played on it before this one (ODI tomorrow). The Guyana team which went to the regional Super50 practiced on the pitch but because of the rain it had a lot of moisture and we could not judge accurately how much pace it had, informed Wazim Habib, the head Curator at Providence.
St. Lucian Kent Crafton, who has been Regional Curator for three years now, is in Guyana for one week to supervise preparation and he feels the pitch for the first ODI looks like a 250 pitch for a teams total, a score Habib agrees with.
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StumpCam
2017-04-06 19:29:26
In reply to Narper
250 pitch?? Seems like the same old same! Isn't the average score nowadays 300 plus?
Scar
2017-04-06 23:01:24
In reply to tc1
There is something of a comprehension angle you are missing. Where did I say bowl 90.mph for 6 balls an over? Where did I state they bowl 95 mph every over for 15 years? Remember the term "effort ball"! Nolan Ryan was still clocking 90 mph plus at 40. Goose Gossage, Big Randy, the list goes on. ALL did so for at least 10 years and extended it by being relief pitcrrs. Most started at 20/23 and finished in their mid 30s. Bret Lee lasted 10 yeats from 17 to 30, Lillie did 10 in Tests, Holding from 17 till? Andy did 10, Hall, Steyn, etc. As Andy said he was at his peak at 27-30 which is when he said coaches state most quicks peak.
jen
2017-04-06 23:09:15
In reply to StumpCam
with west indies and pakistan, 2 biggest batting collapse team, that 250 is easily 200
mikesiva
2017-04-07 10:00:57
The fast men really enjoying this pitch so far....
Narper
2017-04-07 10:02:00
In reply to mikesiva
PAK 35/0 (6.3 Ovs) CRR: 5.38
StumpCam
2017-04-07 10:14:45
In reply to Narper
At this rate Pakistan will score 500 instead of 250!
Goes to show how GREAT our CURATORS are at ASSESSING a wicket!
WI are truly fcuked!
mikesiva
2017-04-07 10:21:01
In reply to StumpCam
And then them going switch it in the interval, and all of a sudden it will favour fast men, and not batsmen....
dayne
2017-04-07 10:22:50
The pitch looks like a good ODI pitch so far, but the WI bowling has been ordinary so far, however good work by the Curators
thefacts
2017-04-07 10:23:29
Kay
2017-04-07 10:27:14
In reply to StumpCam
At this rate Pakistan will score 500 instead of 250!
The rate is still under 6 and it's a 50 overs game. Math does not seem to be one of your strong point.....
Cornfused
2017-04-07 10:32:26
Pitch management and this is the best we have ?. We are really clueless, pace and bounce . Holder bowling well though.
StumpCam
2017-04-07 10:45:33
In reply to Kay
Thanks! I always wondered what was your purpose on this forum! Now I know for sure!
googley
2017-04-07 10:59:23
In reply to Narper
how the pitch playing so far, Narps?
Narper
2017-04-07 11:14:31
In reply to googley
Like Bourda
PAK 129/1 (23.5 Ovs) CRR: 5.41
Beautiful batting track says Rameez Raja
Nothing much for pace nor spin
D Bishoo 5-0-28-0
ST Gabriel 3-0-27-0
shivnotout
2017-04-07 11:20:30
Pakistan 132/1 (24.2/50 ov)
Maispwi
2017-04-07 11:27:00
In reply to thefacts
How you go hit thru de line on a pitch where de ball eh coming on to de bat?
WestDem
2017-04-07 11:34:07
In reply to Narper
Beautiful batting track says Rameez Raja
Ah hope our batsmen don't turn it into a bowlers paradise!
Narper
2017-04-07 13:21:44
PAK 308/5 (50.0 Ovs) CRR: 6.16
This is the highest ODI total at this venue.
Pakistan have surpassed Sri Lanka's 303 made at the 2007 World Cup
mikesiva
2017-04-07 13:22:22
In reply to googley
Gabriel didn't enjoy it at all.
Gabriel 0-69
Joseph 0-49
So much for this pitch favouring our fast men.