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Alyuh have any confidence in any WI curator?

Watch Pakistan pack their team with spinners and cut we arse

Wow a pitch in the Muddland that will favor fast bowling, Jesus is really coming

In reply to Narper
"Alyuh have any confidence in any WI curator?"
Man, u read me mind. I was thinking I have to C that to believe.

In reply to Narper

hahahaha I love the comments

Uh oh

Travelling to Guyana on Sunday.
If West Indies put a fight in the first two matches
I might go to the match on Tuesday.

In reply to Ridge

If you want to 'watch' cricket then watch the TV coverage

if you want to party at cricket then go to the ground

Hope a match has been played on that new pitch; no further embarrassment is needed

In reply to Narper

Dujon questioned that prediction during commentary yesterday. Providence is below sea level he said and as a result he doesn't expect any bounce of significance. He also expects the ball to keep low and slow for the same reason.

In reply to Narper

A relaid pitch promising to be Fast & Bouncy ... hmmm, how many times have we been here in last 25 years?

In reply to Narper

For me it is very simple, if the pitch does not "behave" like the head curator said, then his job should be on the line- no different than when a player gets drop for non performance.

In reply to Emir

Dem fellas get paid next to nothing.

Pitch management it not taken as a science in these parts . In the last 15 years we have not produced many bowlers that can consistently out batsmen at the international level.

In the odd chance that this is true ,Al Jo , the Angel and I hope Cummings puts his hand up, all should be more than a handful. Pace and bounce will skittle most Asian teams.

Good to read that they tried to rectify the issues with that pitch, it is about time. It should be entertaining to see what happens

On the contrary, I think for international games, we should have flat batting tracks.

Our batsmen are particularly good hitting through the line.
That stand and deliver shot without much feet movement is easily our biggest strength!

As for our bowlers, lets be honest, we don't have pacers to exploit conditions.

But we do have a few spinners who can be relied upon.

All in all, High Scoring Batsmen Friendly Pitches should be the way forward for us.

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as for this comment:

My 2 cents is .. right now, Pakistan and India... have faster and deadlier pacers than anyone we have.
Anything we plan to do to their batsmen, could come back to hurt us ten times fold.

I'd say "lets be careful what we wish for... as sometimes, the hunter becomes the hunted".

In reply to Cornfused

Will also skittle any WI team today

In reply to Narper

Top 3 Pacers in Pakistans ODI squad:

Aamir
Wahab
Junaid

I pray the groundsman is wrong!

In reply to thefacts

So, WI will move forward by adopting a cowardly approach?

OK, I think I got it now!

In reply to StumpCam

How is playing to your strengths cowardly?

Or in your opinion, ONLY PACE BOWLING is a Strength?

In reply to thefacts

Is that MY opinion????

In reply to StumpCam... the man ask a question and you answer with a question.

In reply to thefacts

With pakistan as the opposition, bouncing wickets can play in our favor. Member Taylor and Holder in the world cup? Pakistan is the most suspect to bounce of all the sub continent teams.

Also, I don't see the fuss in trying to get every venue to be playing the same. I don't mind Guyana playing a little slower and lower than other pitches, but it shouldn't be so much so that you can't scrape 250. You want to avoid no class spinners strangling teams to get 190.

But seriously, with their fast men, we wanna go down that route?

Alyuh doan get unhinged here. The groundsmen just pulling a fast one and hope that Pakistan will bite and leave out all dem spinners and load up on pacers

What a bunch of timid skunts! So, if we are to improve as team, we should not confront our fears and weaknesses???? No wonder we are at the bottom of the pile! How are we to get better if we keeping doing what is easy! As my father-in- law used to say, "EASY LESSON GOOD FOR DUNCE!"

In reply to StumpCam

Son, do you know what playing to your strengths mean?

In reply to StumpCam

ya sure ya father in law wasn't talking bout u?

In reply to sgtdjones

That was a KILLER...
man, you are on a ROLL!!!!!!!



FIL sure pulled a fast one on poor Stumpy!!!!

In reply to StumpCam... well lets deal with the pitches in our FC first, allow the players to get familiar with it. Not have us playing on it the same time as the opposition. No?

In reply to jen
Pakistan have quality pacers. A couple of them are really really fast 95+

Not sure how fast this pitch will be but at least de Muddies trying to give allyuh a quicker wicket....What I do know is which team will get the majority support from the fans!!!

In reply to WestDem

Bishoo fetching de towel or wah

wicket nah tek spin.dah wah them say

In reply to shivnotout

Bishoo is not Deo

Bishoo playing

In reply to Baje

which couple? Only Wahab Riaz is consistently fast. Amir and Junaid is more excellent swing than pace.

In reply to Narper

Bishoo playing

ah think am gonna have bish in my top five

In reply to Baje

Dude very few gast bowlers get to 95mph. Most true quicks effort ball get 90. Still there were many from all Test nations that hit high speeds and punted to nothimg special. Quicks who hit 89 to 90 and can move the ball around a couple times an over are the most deadly.

In reply to Scar

Excellent Points.

This forever obsession with "Pace Like Fire" has contributed majorly to the decline of the art of Fast Bowling in the West Indies.

Other skills like "swing", "Seam", "Change of Pace", "Bowling Yorkers" etc have become rare....

Right now, 90% of the Caribbean pacers do the same thing... i,e HIT THE BACK OF THE LENGTH area... and in their quest to keep bowling "Fast" end up getting injured, especially back injuries.

In recent past, say 10 years.... almost all the "fast" pacers have got injured with back or stress injuries.

In reply to thefacts

People forget that is what made Castro dangerous on his good days. He used to move it away a bit. His unpredictability/lack of control unfortumately made it as hard for the slips as the batsmen. I felt that his 5'9 frame contributed much to his inconsistency

In reply to thefacts

Its why Zo is promising to be a good one. At least this new coach should know a thing or two about swing bowling which prior coaches except Otis seemed to lack. That should help Zo

In reply to Scar

Castro was good in my opinion.

He could swing the new and old ball, had a very good yorker.

His major limitation(s) were

- control, considering his slinging action, that was bound to happen
- fitness, he just kept getting injured all the time
- inability to mould game for conditions while playing away from home.

Castro is a perfect example of how our players even after a decade don't overcome their shortcomings.

Its like they never work on their game(s) to become better cricketers.

In recent years, I can't think of anyone but Shiv, who actually kept adding new dimensions to his game consistently.

In reply to Scar

I'll take your word brother.

It just amazes me however, that don't our cricketers have brains for themselves?
Can't they work out their shortcomings and then invest in their own improvement?

Before the era of these "all powerful" coaching staffs... cricketers would all the time keep working on their own game, by themselves

Did Viv, Walsh, Marshall, Lara, Shiv , even non-greats like Big Bravo, Narine, Gayle (the T20 stars) ... need a coach to tell them to work on their game?
They could think for themselves and improve accordingly ...

Problem in my opinion is... our recent (general) group of cricketers / administrators / selectors / coaches etc are frankly not that smart, to put it politely.

In reply to Scar


The human body is not designed to bowl at speed of 90 mph, and as a result, many fast bowlers would end up injuring themselves or having a short shelve life.

In reply to Narper

ah need help. picking 2 batsmen and 2 fastmen from west indies line up?

they have any?

In reply to tc1

Thats not exactly so. I take it you mean consecutively bowling at 89/90 mph. Thats the point I made that 89 or 91 is what is called an effort ball. The top 10 quicks ever all lasted 10 years in Tests and played cricket internationally overall for 15 years. MLB pitchers whose pelting motion puts as much strain on elbows and rotator cuffs last about the same 15 year pitching lifespan. Its about managememt knowing when to rest and how long to recover.

In reply to silver

Dude, u obviously don't know anything about cricket in Guyana & clearly never lived there. If so, u would know that the GDF pitch is one of the fastest in the Region. Ask any West Indian Testie who practiced there, if u could, u will be enlightened. Also the Police & DCC tracks are quite lively, so is the Hampton Court surface. At Bourda, u reaped what u put in. Ian Bishop broke Kris Srikkanth's hand with a lethal bouncer there, Colin Croft left Graham Yallop's face a bloody mess from a bullet-like snorter, Javed Miandad was top edging sixes off Patrick Patterson there in 1988. This cannot happen on a dead track. Michael Holding wrecked Guyana that included Kallicharan, Lloyd & Co in 1975, to infuence his Test call-up in 1975, there too. I could go on & on. And FYI, Guyana is on a continent where hard soil is plentiful to make fast, bouncy pitches, not any sandy island.

In reply to Scar


Named me one fast bowler than hit 90mph for 15 years, name one major pitcher then hit 95 mph for 15 years.

The live span of fast bowlers may be 10 years, as for major leaguers it may be the same with 250 wins being a good career, with a chance to the hall of fame.

In reply to tc1

name me one batsman that bat for 25 hours and 13 minutes and still notout.and play Test cricket for 21 years.

In reply to shivnotout, tc1, scar

The obsessions of our fraternity with "Pace like Fire", "World Domination" and "Longevity" as the only combined criteria(s) for respect is truly unique.

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In my small experience(s), the world over, I have not seen this aspect with any other community/fraternity.

Aussies just believe in playing Hard and their Best XI. They really don't have respect for "Stats", "Longevity" and "On Paper Greatness". Or Speeds for that matter. They just focus on playing their best team.

Saffies too are bit like the Aussies, without the cocky bullishness

The Asians on the other hand, are in love with "Stats" but not Longevity or Pace/Spin like Fire.

The Pommies frankly have an attention span of a couple of seasons max. They really are "Live in the Moment" types.

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In conclusion, i'd say globally, we might be the hardest place to get RESPECT.

Because we don't care if our backsides are whalloped series after series... what only matters to us is ... was it "Pace Like Fire", "was it over 10-15 years" etc etc

P.S> I'd say this is a psychological hangover from the generation that witnessed the dominance of 1980's. I think this forum is full of such "living in the past" folks.

In reply to thefacts

fire in de place

When de Guyana Jaguars practiced on it ball was rolling and so on... Don't get yall hopes up.. gonna be spinning and keeping low from ball one

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In reply to Narper

250 pitch?? Seems like the same old same! Isn't the average score nowadays 300 plus?

In reply to tc1

There is something of a comprehension angle you are missing. Where did I say bowl 90.mph for 6 balls an over? Where did I state they bowl 95 mph every over for 15 years? Remember the term "effort ball"! Nolan Ryan was still clocking 90 mph plus at 40. Goose Gossage, Big Randy, the list goes on. ALL did so for at least 10 years and extended it by being relief pitcrrs. Most started at 20/23 and finished in their mid 30s. Bret Lee lasted 10 yeats from 17 to 30, Lillie did 10 in Tests, Holding from 17 till? Andy did 10, Hall, Steyn, etc. As Andy said he was at his peak at 27-30 which is when he said coaches state most quicks peak.

In reply to StumpCam

with west indies and pakistan, 2 biggest batting collapse team, that 250 is easily 200

The fast men really enjoying this pitch so far....

In reply to mikesiva

PAK 35/0 (6.3 Ovs) CRR: 5.38

In reply to Narper

At this rate Pakistan will score 500 instead of 250!
Goes to show how GREAT our CURATORS are at ASSESSING a wicket!
WI are truly fcuked!

In reply to StumpCam

And then them going switch it in the interval, and all of a sudden it will favour fast men, and not batsmen....

The pitch looks like a good ODI pitch so far, but the WI bowling has been ordinary so far, however good work by the Curators

PITCH WILL HAVE PACE AND BOUNCE

In reply to StumpCam

The rate is still under 6 and it's a 50 overs game. Math does not seem to be one of your strong point.....

Pitch management and this is the best we have ?. We are really clueless, pace and bounce . Holder bowling well though.

In reply to Kay

Thanks! I always wondered what was your purpose on this forum! Now I know for sure!

In reply to Narper

how the pitch playing so far, Narps?

In reply to googley

Like Bourda

PAK 129/1 (23.5 Ovs) CRR: 5.41

Beautiful batting track says Rameez Raja

Nothing much for pace nor spin
D Bishoo 5-0-28-0
ST Gabriel 3-0-27-0

Pakistan 132/1 (24.2/50 ov)

In reply to thefacts

How you go hit thru de line on a pitch where de ball eh coming on to de bat?

In reply to Narper

Ah hope our batsmen don't turn it into a bowlers paradise!

PAK 308/5 (50.0 Ovs) CRR: 6.16

In reply to googley

Gabriel didn't enjoy it at all.

Gabriel 0-69
Joseph 0-49


So much for this pitch favouring our fast men.