so how did His death save us???

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link DAVE400 Joined: May 28, 2004
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4/14/17 12:21:54 PM 
I can never understand this claim.

link DAVE400 Joined: May 28, 2004
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4/14/17 12:22:43 PM 
And I we are all God's children how come He is the only begotten son???

link DAVE400 Joined: May 28, 2004
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4/14/17 12:24:00 PM 
Why do we need a Holy Ghost if we have the father and the son?

link DAVE400 Joined: May 28, 2004
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4/14/17 12:24:35 PM 
Why do we pray to God ..then ask Mary to pray for us too??

link black Joined: Feb 28, 2004
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4/14/17 12:28:26 PM 
In reply to DAVE400

Ayenmol is going to answer all of it, he is the Bill Nye of religion.

link Kay Joined: Feb 1, 2015
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4/14/17 12:28:36 PM 
Why do we have to go to church when we can more conveniently pray at home?

link Ayenmol Joined: May 4, 2003
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4/14/17 12:51:42 PM 
Jesus is the only begotten son because he is the only one created directly by Jehovah God.

The Holy Spirit is God`s active force. It is not a person.

The Bible says that Jesus, by means of his ransom sacrifice, buys us back from sin and death. Which is why we pray to God thru Christ. He is the mediator who gave his life as a propitiatory sacrifice.

Nowhere in the Bible does it ask that we pray through anyone else!

We lost perfect life because of the sin of our first parents. We needed the ransom of a perfect person because of God's righteous standards. Thus we can approach God and gain forgiveness of our sins because Christ who has no sin died.
Death is a consequence of sin so a sinless man dying has great power...make that God's only begotten son and you have a death that redeems mankind!

link sgtdjones Joined: Feb 16, 2017
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4/14/17 12:55:27 PM 
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So the Vatican in Rome can get richer.

Didnt u know dat ? shock

link googley Joined: Feb 9, 2004
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4/14/17 1:05:17 PM 
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We lost perfect life because of the sin of our first parents.



why do i have to pay for the sins of others? how is that fair?

link cricketmad Joined: Mar 3, 2009
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4/14/17 2:32:43 PM 
He came to save us when there were no ballistic missiles , nuclear bombs and various weapons of mass destruction .We need saving now more than ever yet we can't hear from him.

link black Joined: Feb 28, 2004
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4/14/17 2:40:13 PM 
In reply to Ayenmol

Jesus is the only begotten son because he is the only one created directly by Jehovah God.


Where is the evidence?

The Holy Spirit is God`s active force. It is not a person.


We all know what a ghost is, why is it/he necessary?

We lost perfect life because of the sin of our first parents. We needed the ransom of a perfect person because of God's righteous standards. Thus we can approach God and gain forgiveness of our sins because Christ who has no sin died.
Death is a consequence of sin so a sinless man dying has great power...make that God's only begotten son and you have a death that redeems mankind


So if my sin is forgiven, why do I have to die?

link runout Joined: Apr 6, 2005
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4/14/17 9:03:12 PM 
Man allyuh taking practice at a soft target. Leave the people who want to believe believe what they want to believe.

link nick2020 Joined: Jul 2, 2012
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4/14/17 9:06:02 PM 
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Why do we have to go to church when we can more conveniently pray at home?


The church angled itself as the passage to salvation. This is why many a pastor drive a big ride to big house. Why you think the congregation is referred to as flock? Does get fleece.

link nick2020 Joined: Jul 2, 2012
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4/14/17 9:07:01 PM 
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So if my sin is forgiven, why do I have to die?


If I take my multivitamins everyday I will still die. Who said forgiveness means you won't die?

link powen001 Joined: Nov 26, 2006
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4/14/17 9:25:48 PM 
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When you guys get serious, those of you who are serious...all of the genuine questions will be answered ...

in the meantime...the rest of you can get through.

Corinthians

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18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”[c]
20 Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

link Emir Joined: Aug 9, 2014
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4/14/17 9:33:53 PM 
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You are free to not believe or reject Christianity, but don't get offended and all bent out of shape when someone criticize your Hinduism and its "strange practices."

link nitro Joined: Apr 10, 2003
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4/14/17 9:50:06 PM 
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Why do you believe the stories in the Bible?

link bravos Joined: Oct 14, 2009
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4/14/17 10:00:05 PM 
Not this shit again..steups!

Good question by op though..

link bravos Joined: Oct 14, 2009
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4/14/17 10:02:25 PM 
In reply to Kay

Why do we have to go to church when we can more conveniently pray at home?


Massa haffi eat,the good lord cannot provideth for his 'humble' servants and touts,they need paper money..soo much for milk, honey and mannah...yuck!

link black Joined: Feb 28, 2004
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4/14/17 10:26:02 PM 
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If I take my multivitamins everyday I will still die. Who said forgiveness means you won't die?


But you are not God.

link Ewart Joined: Mar 5, 2005
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4/14/17 10:49:23 PM 
In reply to powen001

Thanks.

Let me add this from John 6:

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.

35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

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link Ayenmol Joined: May 4, 2003
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4/15/17 7:09:28 AM 
1 John 4: 9,10...
“By this the love of God was revealed in our case, that God sent his only-begotten Son into the world so that we might gain life through him. The love is in this respect, not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins.”

link DAVE400 Joined: May 28, 2004
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4/15/17 8:12:26 AM 
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Forgive what sins?? Save how?

So between noah and Christ...what happen to all those souls who died?

Samuel?
Job?
David?
Solomon?


They all sinned.

link black Joined: Feb 28, 2004
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4/15/17 8:51:34 AM 
In reply to DAVE400

Dude, these people want you to believe in something that have a million questions, unanswered.

link sgtdjones Joined: Feb 16, 2017
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4/15/17 9:51:26 AM 
In reply to black

God has been conceived as either personal or impersonal.
In theism, God is the creator and sustainer of the universe,
while in deism, God is the creator, but not the sustainer, of the universe.
In pantheism, God is the universe itself.
In atheism, God is not believed to exist,
while God is deemed unknown or unknowable within the context of agnosticism.
God has also been conceived as the source of all moral obligation, and the "greatest conceivable existent".
Many notable philosophers have developed arguments for and against the existence of God.

Quoted above

This is my belief

God is deemed unknown or unknowable within the context of agnosticism.

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