so how did His death save us???

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link Khaga Joined: Mar 29, 2016
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4/15/17 10:00:18 AM 
In reply to Emir



You are free to not believe or reject Christianity, but don't get offended and all bent out of shape when someone criticize your Hinduism and its "strange practices."


Well, your trucking isn't a strange practice..

link Gun_Play Joined: Nov 13, 2002
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4/15/17 10:25:36 AM 
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They must be a God or someone or something that's responsible for making us.

The world is too complex, the universe is too complex, the human body... look at how much it takes for our planet to function... The gases an minerals needed to support life on this planet.

Gravity in itself is an absolutely brilliant creation.
To tell me that Gravity just happened or wasn't created by something/someone with way more knowledge than us is absolutely ludicrous.

Look at how complex the human eye is... They are still some functions of the human eye which scientist have yet to explain how it works.

After looking at some of the complexities required for us to function I have no doubt that we were created.

So believing in a God or a creator seems more plausible than not believing, in my opinion.

link FuzzyWuzzy Joined: Jun 1, 2005
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4/15/17 10:29:35 AM 
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Is it possible to believe all you just said but not believe that stuff ayenmol, etc quoted?

link DAVE400 Joined: May 28, 2004
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4/15/17 10:38:20 AM 
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I believe in God....and I believe He is waaaaay more accessible and experiential to us than having to wait on Him when we die or when we resurrect...

My idea of God (and I am totally okay if you disagree) is that hidden hand that guides us in our actions...that swift unthinking action in the best of our situations...

For those of you who played sport, think of your best moments and how auto-pilot and "undeliberate" it felt...

If you have ever had to act fast to save yourself or others...try to recall making conscious act....

I am sure we have all experienced this....decisive, efficient, flawless action without thought...


Does this mean I can communicate with God? I dunno...does it mean that we even need language? Certainly not..

Can God even be personified....I highly doubt it....

But there is a good force in this universe...unexplainable, even by science, totally accessible and only reached through TRUE intuition...

link Gun_Play Joined: Nov 13, 2002
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4/15/17 10:43:28 AM 
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Yes, every person who believes in a creator doesn't believe in Christianity.

link Gun_Play Joined: Nov 13, 2002
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4/15/17 11:05:41 AM 
In reply to DAVE400

Well said... very insightful.

I've never viewed God or being able to communicate with God from that perspective.

All subjective though... both what you've said and what I said.

In the end it all comes down to belief.

And there's only one book, written thousands of years ago, which expresses the need for a belief in a creator who cannot be physically proven.

So with my limited knowledge I can chose to believe my existence just happened or there was some big explosion that caused all this.

Or I can choose to believe a book that tells me I was created by an all knowing God who's knowledge surpasses my own and is beyond my understanding.

My limited knowledge doesn't allow me to accept that life's complexities just happened, or it was caused by a big bang or evolution from Monkeys.

Thus, I choose to believe in a God/Creator.
Someone who's knowledge an abilities exceeds human understanding. big grin

link analyst-kid Joined: Feb 22, 2003
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4/15/17 3:19:08 PM 
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So between noah and Christ...what happen to all those souls who died?

Samuel?
Job?
David?
Solomon?


They all sinned.


Although I worship with Jehovah Witness...some of my friends have not agreed with me on this scripture: Matthew 27 50-53

.50 And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit.

51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.


1. this scripture explains that the curtain split in two meant no more do we have to rely on priests and sacrifice to confer with God as symbolised by the curtain seperating access to the holy sanctuary in the temple.It is now through Christ we approach Jehovah...(this is agreed by my JW)

The scripture also states that the holy ones who died before Christ (Samuel,David,Job, Daniel etc) were raised at his death (which released them from the Grave as he will do to the others when he comes the Second Time)and they eventually were translated to heaven to be counted among the 144000 who are set to rule this earth with King Jesus.

link DAVE400 Joined: May 28, 2004
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4/15/17 6:41:47 PM 
Okay...so is the end goal to be part of the 144000? Well today there are over a few million Jay Dubyas...

You saying their chance of being chosen sucks?

You would think with such a finite space they would spend less time "saving" others.

link black Joined: Feb 28, 2004
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4/15/17 6:59:16 PM 
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You would think with such a finite space they would spend less time "saving" others.


Good point.

link analyst-kid Joined: Feb 22, 2003
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4/15/17 7:14:30 PM 
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Humans were always meant to reside here on earth...this 144000 is the numbered appointed ones to assist Jesus in ruling over the millions on this earth.

link DAVE400 Joined: May 28, 2004
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4/15/17 8:49:25 PM 
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So is just a power trip this 144000?

link SnoopDog Joined: Jan 24, 2004
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4/15/17 10:43:23 PM 
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He fell for your sins. lol

link black Joined: Feb 28, 2004
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4/15/17 10:55:50 PM 
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Why are people engaging in these stupid reenactments? lol lol lol

link SnoopDog Joined: Jan 24, 2004
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4/15/17 11:45:10 PM 
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That wasn't a reenactment Bro. That was exclusive video footage of the crucifixion obtained by time traveller John Titor. lol

link black Joined: Feb 28, 2004
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4/16/17 12:01:22 AM 
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lol lol lol

link DAVE400 Joined: May 28, 2004
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4/16/17 7:57:00 AM 
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The Holy Spirit is God`s active force. It is not a person.


And this is where we agree....beyond that I need no more comprehension of God.

link Ayenmol Joined: May 4, 2003
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4/16/17 8:28:19 AM 
2 Thessalonians 3:
3 Finally, brothers, carry on prayer for us, that the word of Jehovah may keep moving speedily and being glorified just as it is in fact with YOU; 2 and that we may be delivered from harmful and wicked men, for faith is not a possession of all people. 3 But the Lord is faithful, and he will make YOU firm and keep YOU from the wicked one.

link analyst-kid Joined: Feb 22, 2003
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4/16/17 12:46:22 PM 
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From Day One Jesus will always telling his faithful disciples they will be with him to rule the Kingdom on Earth given to him by his Father Jehovah.

144000 are the chosen ones, the apostles the saints the holy ones who will be princes under King Jesus to assist him in ruling this earth.

By their virtues they were appointed...how does this get to be a power trip?

link bravos Joined: Oct 14, 2009
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4/16/17 1:04:54 PM 
WHO CREATED GOD? His god mommy and daddy?

People stop wasting your lives,'god' isn't what you think and desires no relationship with primates,how demeaning,how arrogant of smelly primates to believe that some 'god'cares about their petty mammalian squabbles and socio/geo-political issues..

Pathetic...

You guys are fools simple..you wasting your lives with that story book,your life is based on lies,poor allyuh.


God bless..

link Ayenmol Joined: May 4, 2003
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4/16/17 2:41:37 PM 
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There are so many things we cannot see that we are certain exist. Air, Electricity, we know these things exist because we can see evidence of their existence. We can also see evidence that the invisible God exist. From the way we are made to the Universe to His Word the Bible. Additionally Worshipers of Jehovah are able to see his hand in accomplishing the work he has given us to do. Even in the face of much persecution, while ourselves never being violent or Politically active, God's Organization continues to grow in leaps and bounds. All while never compromising Jehovah's righteous standards.

link Ayenmol Joined: May 4, 2003
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4/16/17 3:44:31 PM 
Romans 3:
4 Certainly not! But let God be found true, even if every man be found a liar, just as it is written: “That you might be proved righteous in your words and might win when you are being judged.”

link powen001 Joined: Nov 26, 2006
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4/16/17 7:31:29 PM 
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I believe in God....and I believe He is waaaaay more accessible and experiential to us than having to wait on Him when we die or when we resurrect..



He is...I dont know where you got this WAIT UNTIL YOU DIE STUFF FROM tho.

link powen001 Joined: Nov 26, 2006
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4/16/17 7:33:19 PM 
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I can almost close my eyes and guarantee that the overwhelming majority of persons on this MB have never read a BIBLE...or never had a proper engagement where you are honestly seeking to understand what you are reading.

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4/16/17 7:34:47 PM 
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BLUP BLUP BLUP...to coin a phrase

link Kay Joined: Feb 1, 2015
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4/16/17 8:06:10 PM 
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Religion is not bad, you guys got a great product. You all just got to cut out the big middlemen like THESE who are professional con men

Even the small touts that go door to door and rankle folks for a small change are a big nuisance. If the product is that great people will go looking for it, no need to push it down their throats at a cost...

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