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The best thing about the new team is....

 
Larr Pullo 2017-04-18 06:47:17 

That fathead Samuels get drop!

 
cricketmygame 2017-04-18 10:15:14 

In reply to Larr Pullo

no carlos is a close 2nd

 
cricketmygame 2017-04-18 10:15:37 

In reply to Larr Pullo

devon for powell and i call it a good 13

 
tc1 2017-04-18 10:20:24 

that they replace Johnson with Hetmyer and Chandrika with Singh.You and Narper , Runs are happy lol lol lol

 
Larr Pullo 2017-04-18 10:21:41 

In reply to tc1

Johnson and Chandrika should not be near any test team...

 
Prako 2017-04-18 10:28:10 

In reply to tc1


aYou and Narper , Runs are happy


Finally, Larr, Narps and Runs find something they can hold hands together on

Cricket is such a unifying sport

 
Runs 2017-04-18 10:30:44 

In reply to Prako

lol
Not too sure, Devon would have sealed the deal for my fellow Guyanese brother.

 
mikesiva 2017-04-18 10:31:52 

In reply to Larr Pullo

The worst thing about this Test team is that it's going to get crushed, and in the process become the first West Indies Test team to lose a home Test series against Pakistan....

 
Larr Pullo 2017-04-18 10:32:58 

In reply to Runs

Definitely not, because i'll call Bishoo out for bowling skunt and y'all will get your panties in a bunch... smile smile

 
Runs 2017-04-18 10:33:19 

I disagree, this is an exciting young team, I expect them to show fight.

 
Runs 2017-04-18 10:33:53 

In reply to Larr Pullo

Bishoo needs to mix it up

 
VIX 2017-04-18 10:34:18 

In reply to Larr Pullo

and the worst thing is that it ent really new lol

 
Larr Pullo 2017-04-18 10:34:44 

In reply to mikesiva

I'm thinking that this team has some talent and balance. Batsmen batting in their natural spots, no makeshift openers etc... That said, I think Hetmyer will debut before Singh, since I'm pretty sure they'll give Blackwood another shot in the middle order to solidify his place.

 
Larr Pullo 2017-04-18 10:35:13 

In reply to Runs

Bishoo could only bowl what he know.

 
Runs 2017-04-18 10:39:57 

In reply to Larr Pullo

Needs to hang out with Yasir

 
tc1 2017-04-18 11:04:10 

In reply to Prako

lol lol lol No more higher stanadard for muddies

 
Narper 2017-04-18 11:11:21 

In reply to Runs

In reply to Larr Pullo

Needs to hang out with Yasir

Rajendra Dhanraj is working with Bishoo

I expect Bishoo to stop bowling the 4 balls on a regular basis...and to start using the googly more often

 
tc1 2017-04-18 11:26:49 

In reply to Larr Pullo
There were only 3 changes to the team, so where is this great talent coming from, Hetmyer and Singh are still 30+ players and Powell is a recycled sub 30 at test.

Powell, Hetmyer and Singh vs Samuels, lil Bravo and Johnson, where is the upgrade in talent

 
SirGarny 2017-04-18 11:27:15 

In reply to mikesiva


The worst thing about this Test team is that it's going to get crushed


I remember former coach John Dyson's famous comment...

"These players are inexperienced and lack some of the more basic skills." (paraphrased) cry sad

 
Dukes 2017-04-18 11:31:47 

In reply to tc1

Hetmyer is going to shut a lot of people up. It might not be in this series but eventually everybody will acknowledge him to be a good solid test player. Check Sarwan and Chanderpaul at the beginning of their test careers.

 
NYCGURU 2017-04-18 11:40:48 

In reply to Dukes

I think most fans who saw him at under 19 are hoping that he maturs into a quality Test bats. Am in JA and looking forward to his debut.

 
Dukes 2017-04-18 11:45:56 

In reply to NYCGURU

Enjoy Paradise!!!

 
Kay 2017-04-18 11:46:39 

In reply to tc1

What's your problem dude? You jus looking to piss on all the threads that mention Hetmyer and Singh although everyone ignoring you

You may just end up with a heart attack if one of them is selected and get some runs

 
SirGarny 2017-04-18 11:53:44 

In reply to Dukes

Hetmyer is going to shut a lot of people up. It might not be in this series but eventually everybody will acknowledge him to be a good solid test player.


I prefer to be shut up in this opening series...the last thing we need is another Devon Smith **



Check Sarwan and Chanderpaul at the beginning of their test careers.


Both of whom were much more proven commodities at the FC level before their test cap...Hetmyer is not on their level at the same stage..I must respectfully disagree

 
tc1 2017-04-18 12:00:16 

In reply to Kay

have you seen your postings and that of some of your muddies on 30 odd Avg the past. you cannot degrade a 30 avg player and now when the shoe is on your foot say' mine' 30 avg player will be great.

let be real here.

 
openning 2017-04-18 12:07:25 

I just watched Blackwood's inning against the Pride, he is more suitd for the shortest version than any other style.
He will not build any inning in a test match, he is just not a fighter.

 
StumpCam 2017-04-18 12:08:13 

In reply to SirGarny

I think Dukes getting senile! Both Chanderpaul and Sarwan were miles ahead at this stage!

 
Narper 2017-04-18 12:29:54 

In reply to SirGarny

I prefer to be shut up in this opening series...the last thing we need is another Devon Smith **


Or another Dwayne Smith ....who has the fastest test ton for a debutant....but nothing after.

IMO...Hety is not quite ready.....especially in the context of this perennial weak and inexperienced WI batting team...a team without established batting stars...all rookies trying to find their way

I remember Xavier Marshall....same scenario is being played all over again..

 
Narper 2017-04-18 12:40:11 

In reply to openning

I just watched Blackwood's inning against the Pride, he is more suitd for the shortest version than any other style.
He will not build any inning in a test match, he is just not a fighter

Remember this test...Bklackwood was hailed as a fighter

I believe Blackwood could be a fighter if he WANTS to be a fighter

But I also believe Blackwood wants to follow his buddie Russell into IPL

 
Kay 2017-04-18 13:28:36 

In reply to tc1

have you seen your postings and that of some of your muddies on 30 odd Avg the past

You want to post them?

 
Dukes 2017-04-18 16:06:47 

In reply to SirGarny

Check Sarwan and Chanderpaul at the beginning of their test careers.


Both of whom were much more proven commodities at the FC level before their test cap...Hetmyer is not on their level at the same stage..I must respectfully disagree


Back in the day,I would bring a boatload of statistics to prove my point.Now I just smile and leave it alone because of the age of trump.

Carry on smartly.

 
Dukes 2017-04-18 16:08:45 

In reply to StumpCam

I think Dukes getting senile!


Yuh probably right.

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Larr Pullo 2017-04-18 16:47:33 

In reply to openning

Blackwood is a good batsman. He just likes to hit the ball. I don't necessarily think that he's trying to go play T20. He just hasn't learned how to graft. I think he'll play in the first test at least.

 
imusic 2017-04-18 16:58:03 

In reply to Dukes

Come on....is not like you haven't been off the mark before.

Case in point Ronnie. Lucky for him....and you....he was out of the game early or else his test average would have been south of 40.

 
allan 2017-04-18 17:20:19 

In reply to Larr Pullo

what happen to chandrika is he even playing for Guyana?

 
Chrissy 2017-04-18 17:34:41 

In reply to mikesiva

Rain may play lol

Went to Sabina today - WI were training - watched for a few.
Exchanged a few words with some of the Yard U15 team and coach. Nice kids.
lol

 
Dukes 2017-04-18 18:12:47 

In reply to imusic

Stick to tennis bro.
Yuh might see me next year at Indian Wells.
lol lol lol lol

 
NYCGURU 2017-04-18 18:27:37 

In reply to Dukes

I always do boss. This is my fifth trip and the cricket is just an added bonus.

 
Dukes 2017-04-18 18:37:18 

In reply to NYCGURU

The cricket spoiled my trip in 2004 when WI made 47 and the man I went to see made a double duck!!!LOL

 
Dukes 2017-04-18 19:48:19 

In reply to Narper

Can you tell me what was Sarwan's first class average when he stepped on the field to play his first test match?

Like a good lawyer,I know the answer to the question I ask.

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Narper 2017-04-18 21:19:45 

In reply to Dukes

Like another good lawyer I am going to ask you...in what context are you posing this question?

Because as another good lawyer I believe your question is irrelevant big grin big grin

BTW....after reading all dem Perry Mason novels as a teenager...I so badly wanted to be a lawyer...but my father and my school bullied me to pursue natural science...the closest I have reached in law today is in Pharmaceutical Regulatory Affairs big grin big grin

 
jcveletta 2017-04-18 23:22:49 

In reply to Runs

can bishoo bowl the googly and flipper?

 
Runs 2017-04-19 09:24:23 

In reply to jcveletta

Yes, problem is he does not bowl often and am thinking its due to his lack of confidence bowling them.

 
Andy99 2017-04-19 09:43:37 

In reply to openning

I just watched Blackwood's inning against the Pride, he is more suitd for the shortest version than any other style.
He will not build any inning in a test match, he is just not a fighter.


Let me ask u something, in that innings where did Blackwood score his runs?
Did they sail over the boundary or was it over the infield and away for 4?

 
SirGarny 2017-04-19 14:11:45 

In reply to Dukes

I state, regarding Shiv and Sarwan...

Both of whom were much more proven commodities at the FC level before their test cap...Hetmyer is not on their level at the same stage..I must respectfully disagree


you replied..

Back in the day,I would bring a boatload of statistics to prove my point.Now I just smile and leave it alone because of the age of trump.


Dukes...in what way is Hetmeyer further ahead than Shiv and Sarwan at the time of their first call-up? Educate us...please...because I'm not the only one who's respectfully disagreeing with you.

 
Dukes 2017-04-19 15:30:42 

In reply to SirGarny

.in what way is Hetmeyer further ahead than Shiv and Sarwan at the time of their first call-up?


As I said before,THIS IS THE AGE OF TRUMP

 
doosra 2017-04-19 16:27:34 

In reply to Dukes

when you say ahead do you mean

1. fc matches played

2. fc runs scored

3. fc average

ahead is a qualitative metric and one that can be shaped any which way

HAHAHAHA big grin

 
Narper 2017-04-19 17:19:31 

In reply to doosra

Dukesy behaving like Trump...in the age of Trump

Even without a few clicks...I can tell you Shiv made 140 against the touring Paks before he made test cricket...in fact Shiv was a decent legspinner

And I can tell you also Sarwan made tons in both innings at Guaraca Trinidad against Zimbabwe before he made the test team

HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE in the age of Trump!!!!

 
Dukes 2017-04-19 17:51:45 

In reply to Narper

I wonder why you refuse to answer my question.

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Dukes 2017-04-19 17:53:39 

In reply to doosra

when you say ahead do you mean

Please show me where I said anybody was ahead of anybody else.
PAY ATTENTION!!!!!!
Do not let people put up straw men and distract you.You are smarter than that.

 
Courtesy 2017-04-19 18:12:05 

In reply to doosra

Obviously there was a comparative analysis done for Hetmyer v Sarwan and Chanderpaul for test and FC.

You need to get an appreciation of this comparative analysis to prove or disprove Dukes' "point."

big grin

Below is evidence that a comparable analysis exercise was indeed conducted by Dukes. As a statsman Doosie, don't fall for codswallop...pursue your point, ask for the comparative analysis or tell Dukes put up or shut up.

lol lol lol

Hetmyer is going to shut a lot of people up. It might not be in this series but eventually everybody will acknowledge him to be a good solid test player. Check Sarwan and Chanderpaul at the beginning of their test careers.

Back in the day,I would bring a boatload of statistics to prove my point.

Can you tell me what was Sarwan's first class average when he stepped on the field to play his first test match?

 
Narper 2017-04-19 18:34:43 

In reply to Dukes

I wonder why you refuse to answer my question


Because yuh seh you already know de answer...so i assume you are one of dem 'bare foot' lawyer...

So doan try dat wid me Dukesy

BTW don try to mamaguy Doosra...doan butter de guy up about smarts...'when you say ahead do you mean'...answer dat implied question

HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHHEHHEHEHEHEHE...in de age of Trump big grin

 
Dukes 2017-04-19 18:46:52 

Do you still beat your wife??

 
Narper 2017-04-19 18:48:19 

Did you stop??

 
Dukes 2017-04-19 18:54:06 

In reply to Narper

Doan have a wife

 
Narper 2017-04-19 19:05:33 

HHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE..in de age of Trump big grin

 
Narper 2017-04-19 19:06:27 

No wonder she ran

 
Narper 2017-04-19 19:28:09 

HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEH...in de age of Trump big grin big grin

 
Narper 2017-04-19 19:34:10 

Weh de fcuk he gawn....to hide under a petticoat?

HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE big grin big grin

 
Dukes 2017-04-19 19:52:30 

In reply to Narper

Still won't answer the question eh?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhaHAHa

Still under audit??


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I will answer the question when Trump releases his tax returns.

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Narper 2017-04-19 20:01:21 

HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEH in the age of Trump big grin big grin big grin

 
Dukes 2017-04-19 20:05:42 

In reply to Narper

Wonderful batting also by the great Sylvester Joseph of the test batting average of 14.
Back to the matter at hand
R U still under audit??

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Narper 2017-04-19 20:11:51 

First-class match | 1999/00 season
Played at Guaracara Park, Pointe-a-Pierre, Trinidad
10,11,12,13 March 2000 (4-day match)

HEHEHEHEHEHEHEEHEHEHHE

Test no. 1496 | 2000 season
Played at Kensington Oval, Bridgetown, Barbados
18,19,20,21,22 May 2000 (5-day match)


HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHHEHHEHE

 
Dukes 2017-04-19 20:16:58 

In reply to Trump

Unfortunately for you I have not had any of the orange cool-aid.

Show me your tax returns,ah mean answer the question.

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Narper 2017-04-19 20:30:46 

Show me your university transcripts

Prove it was not affirmative action playing out

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Narper 2017-04-19 20:58:52 

HE HEHHEHHEHEHHEHEHEHEHHEHEHEHEHHEHH..in de age of Trump
big grin big grin big grin

 
Narper 2017-04-19 21:01:04 

NO MAS NO MAS NO MAS ????????

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Narper 2017-04-19 21:22:53 

In reply to doosra

Weh yuh deh bhai

Yuh mek ole fart Dukesy run yuh with Trumpism?
big grin big grin big grin big grin big grin
Or is it Grangerism?

 
doosra 2017-04-19 21:35:33 

In reply to Dukes

oh it was narper who said so

i didn read the whole thing man big grin big grin

 
doosra 2017-04-19 21:36:34 

gentlemen

we need some stats

let me see if i can pull something together

hahahahaha

 
Narper 2017-04-19 21:44:19 

In reply to doosra

I didn't say so...doan suck up to Dukesy now...doan let me dong

WHERE DID I SAY SO???????

Is Mudland still dat kind of society? Yuh actually fraid dat intellectually BULLYing Dukesy

Holy Fcuk !!!!!!

I should believe my buddie Freddie Kissoon den
Mudland is a doomed society

 
Narper 2017-04-19 21:48:22 

In reply to doosra

gentlemen

we need some stats

let me see if i can pull something together
WTF yuh think I have been slapping geriatric Dukesy WITH?

wHEHEHHHEHHEHEHHEHEHEHEHHEE in de TRUMP age
big grin big grin

 
doosra 2017-04-19 21:52:37 

Shiv just before debut (19 3/4ish)

25 innings, 5 not out, 944 runs, 7 50s, 2 100s, avg 47.2

Hety - 20 1/2 years old

32 innings 2 not out, 1059 runs, 1 100s, 6 50s avg 35.30

Sarwan - just short of 20th bday)

63 innings 5 not out 1696 runs 10 50s 3 100s avg 29.25

disclaimer --- I may be off by a few here and there but i think i've captured all

 
doosra 2017-04-19 21:53:19 

In reply to Narper

man me een read the whole thing

smaddy seh Hety ahead or some thing like that

me a bring stats now big grin

 
Narper 2017-04-19 21:53:33 

In reply to doosra

What was Shiv's AGE?

 
Narper 2017-04-19 22:00:55 

In reply to doosra

I was taking this thing lightly too...until Dukesy couldn't take de licks and tries to get personal...to ask me if I still beat my wifey?

Dead give away he was hurt...licks in he ole skunt

FOR THE RECORDS I HAVE NEVER HIT MY WIFE.....NOT ONCE...IN 36 YEARS ( AND COUNTING !!!) OF MARRIAGE

I have always stated on this board....I never pick a fight....but I could more dan effin defend myself....de ususl suspect starts demn racist thing...when I retaliate dem try to paint me as a racist

I have been teaching in College here in Toronto for 20 years

NEVER ... not once...have I been accused of racism....I teach students froM ALL over de effin world....MY STUDENTS ENDORSE ME....my record speaks for itself

DON'T BE INTIMIDATED DOOSIE !!

 
doosra 2017-04-19 22:09:41 

Shiv just before debut (19 3/4ish)

25 innings, 5 not out, 944 runs, 7 50s, 2 100s, avg 47.2

Hety - 20 1/2 years old

32 innings 2 not out, 1059 runs, 1 100s, 6 50s avg 35.30

Sarwan - just short of 20th bday)

63 innings 5 not out 1696 runs 10 50s 3 100s avg 29.25

disclaimer --- I may be off by a few here and there but i think i've captured all


Those are the numbers gentlemen

 
Narper 2017-04-19 22:11:41 

In reply to doosra

Now you have done.....check de relevant HE HE stats I have posted big grin big grin big grin big grin

Dukesy can't handle those

 
mikelegend 2017-04-19 22:13:27 

In reply to doosra

What was each batsman's stats at 25 innings?

 
Narper 2017-04-19 22:17:44 

In reply to mikelegend

Look chap ...Hety only played 18 innings to date

So ...so many alyuh running alyuh mouth without knowing de stats?

Maybe not you wink...but so many others

 
mikelegend 2017-04-19 22:20:26 

In reply to Narper

Merely using the stats posted by Doosra....so I guess we can go of the stats of the first 18 innings by each batsman to do a comparison.

 
Narper 2017-04-19 22:25:52 

In reply to mikelegend

Okay.....

But this thread has deteriorated .....AND DUKESY A SENIR POSTER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS

I am sorry if I came across a lil abrasive to you

 
mikelegend 2017-04-19 22:29:05 

In reply to Narper

No problem man. I don't get involved in the nonsense...I'm strictly cricket. Btw, I can't compare these guys, because I opine that the quality of opposition each faced at their respective time was vastly different.

 
Dukes 2017-04-19 22:54:08 

In reply to doosra

The point I was making is that merely looking at stats such as averages is not helpful when looking at prodigys such as Shiv,Sarwan and now Hetmyer.
Of the 3 only Shiv had a very good average but even he was not scoring as much runs as Roland Holder.I remember that very well because Jeff Dujon was very vocal in his criticism of the selectors in picking Shiv ahead of Holder and I remember the words of the late Pat Legall that Shiv was going to prove Dujon wrong.Pat was very proud of his two proteges Shiv and Sarwan as he was Manager of the Under 19 Guyana teams that both played in.
This is not new.Lloyd was made to wait while Lashley and Brancker tour England.Saran was made to wait out the 2 test matches vs Zimbabwe while Wavell played and we will see if Hetmyer has to wait.
Sarwan has been one of my favorite players even before he made his test debut.I saw him make a century in Under 19 cricket and my good friend Pat Legall was very high on him and I thought after his century in each Innings he would play against Zimbabwe but he did not.
At the end of the day I am confident that Hetmyer will have a long and successful test career and all this discussion will be forgotten.

 
tc1 2017-04-19 23:31:34 

In reply to Dukes
http://caribbeancricket.com/topic/1133755/4#

This is not new.Lloyd was made to wait while Lashley and Brancker tour England.Saran was made to wait out the 2



You with this again, Lashley scored more runs than LLoyd, Brancker / Holford were allrounders picked for the English tour.

Holder was in great form and should have played but Hoops was not making runs and WI refused to drop him, Holder had to wait another 3 years before getting a chance and failed.

 
Dukes 2017-04-19 23:34:03 

In reply to tc1

Of course Lashley scored more runs than Lloyd. THAT IS MY POINT!!!!!

 
doosra 2017-04-20 00:02:23 

In reply to Dukes

i am a Hety fan

i was personally thinking 1 more season for him but he's here and i back him

i have watched him bat many times and i am convinced he can bat. he plays some outrageous shots ...there's a little short arm jab/pull thru/over midwicket...look out for it...of course like most lefties he;s a cutter as well

he hits it hard too big grin

 
Dukes 2017-04-20 00:18:11 

In reply to doosra

It takes a lot of confidence for somebody to make the step up from youth cricket to first class and still play your natural shots.As I mentioned previously, to average 35 with a strike rate of 77 is remarkable.When you look at most people with that strike rate in first class cricket their average is usually in the teens.

 
tc1 2017-04-20 00:18:31 

In reply to Dukes

ok, as that stage Lashley(66) is crampy, not a smooth batsman like 58 or 60 , he preferred to Nurse.
I heard some use to call left- handed Frankie.

I saw him as a boy and KD Boyce the leg-spinner made a mess of him, but Boyce as a leg-spinner made a meal out of many.

 
doosra 2017-04-20 00:19:02 

In reply to Dukes

i check his boundary hitting percentage the other day and he's close to 70%

 
doosra 2017-04-20 00:20:29 

In reply to Dukes

his average this season is well above 40

 
Courtesy 2017-04-20 06:16:31 

lol lol lol

Please doh ask me what I am laughing at.

lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

..............................

Only two fellas brought "truckloads of stats" to the table and they opted for a truce.

lol lol lol

 
Larr Pullo 2017-04-20 13:34:01 

In reply to doosra

Whatever happened to Hety's big brother? He was a decent bat too. Will he ever get a chance to play FC cricket?

 
Larr Pullo 2017-04-20 13:36:19 

In reply to Courtesy

Two big old hard-back men carrying on like they have no upbringing... smile smile smile

 
Courtesy 2017-04-20 13:50:32 

In reply to Larr Pullo

In fairness to Narper, he did not start it. He just returned a spark with brimstone and fire.

lol lol lol

 
doosra 2017-04-20 14:06:26 

In reply to Larr Pullo

Seon just play first division now. like he not into in that much.
he played Intercounty last year i think

not sure he is making enough progress to fc

 
mikesiva 2017-04-25 12:44:25 

In reply to Larr Pullo

As I said. ...
cool
Bravo was a big loss. Once we lost bravo we should have retained Samuels and Blackwood. Yes they are inconsistent and average just over 30. But to drop these two for guys who can't even dream of averaging 30 in test cricket was stupidity!

 
Runs 2017-04-25 13:42:39 

Are we missing the Icon and DB now? cool lol

 
TheTrail 2017-04-25 13:57:45 

In reply to mikelegend

In reply to doosra

What was each batsman's stats at 25 innings?


Good point.

 
WerlBoss 2017-04-25 16:52:27 

In reply to doosra

Dukes like some know-it-all. Knows it all and still don't know nothing. 🙄

 
SirGarny 2017-04-25 17:22:40 

In reply to mikesiva


Samuels and Blackwood. Yes they are inconsistent and average just over 30. But to drop these two for guys who can't even dream of averaging 30 in test cricket was stupidity!


Well..maybe the selectors thought that FC cricket in Pakistan is as abominable as it is here... sad evil wink

 
Khaga 2017-04-26 07:26:23 

In reply to WerlBoss

lol