Xman Marshall vs Shimron Hetmyer

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link Narper Joined: Jan 4, 2003
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4/18/17 10:10:13 PM 
compare and contrast

Before the first test

link XDFIX Joined: Mar 2, 2003
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4/18/17 10:23:01 PM 
In reply to Narper

Marshall more explosive, Hetty a more complete batter

link methodic Joined: Jan 18, 2010
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4/18/17 10:27:00 PM 
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Hetmyer is a proven leader. A young batsman with a lot of confidence. He could read situations better than any young captain in the region. Xavier was a exceptional batting talent but not known for much more.

link Narper Joined: Jan 4, 2003
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4/18/17 11:18:53 PM 
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He could read situations better than any young captain in the region


How so?

You know limited overs U19 cappo doan say much

Winning the U19 WC is a phenomenal achievement for the WI team

Off my head Bradshaw, Ryan Hinds, Deonarine, Leon Johnson , Ramdin ,Steve Jacobs....were U 19 cappos

Based on gut feeling...I believe WI is pushing Hety too fast..we are not learning...we have destroyed too many youths looking for a quick fix.

I will happily munch on crow at the end of the series

link imusic Joined: Nov 13, 2002
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4/18/17 11:27:34 PM 
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This Hety fella mus be something special.

I eagerly await

link Dukes Joined: Dec 6, 2002
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4/19/17 2:33:52 AM 
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Clearly you know nothing about the X-Man or else you would never compare the two.His demise cricket wise had nothing to do with batting talent.His problems were similar to Franklyn Rose.

link Pacy Joined: Dec 1, 2002
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4/19/17 3:54:06 AM 
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X-Man really came to limelight in the U-19 WC during his time. Eventhough he did not do much in the FC level he had a high point before being selcted.

Hetmeyer has not stood out with performance so far. He is just showing some signs of performance and would have been better to spend another year in the FC and A tours.

link Courtesy Joined: Apr 16, 2009
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4/19/17 7:59:31 AM 
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In the interest of fairness and racial equality, your next thread should be titled Xman Marshall v Vishal Singh.

Don't you agree?

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On second thoughts, perhaps I would be better informed if only I knew your motivation for starting this thread. I am quite willing to concede on this matter.

link Narper Joined: Jan 4, 2003
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4/19/17 8:15:56 AM 
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Based on gut feeling...I believe WI is pushing Hety too fast..we are not learning...we have destroyed too many youths looking for a quick fix.


ONLY reason for starting this thread

link Courtesy Joined: Apr 16, 2009
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4/19/17 8:20:32 AM 
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I thank you for your timely response. But don't you think your concern is also applicable to Mr. Singh and what is meant by "pushing too fast"?

Is "pushing too fast" a euphemism for not ready for test cricket?

I firmly believe, if Hetmyer is not ready for test cricket then Vishal Singh plays his first test.

link Priapus Joined: Dec 30, 2014
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4/19/17 8:40:04 AM 
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Hetty doesn't smoke weed....or does he?

link Narper Joined: Jan 4, 2003
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4/19/17 8:56:16 AM 
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In reply to Narper

In the interest of fairness and racial equality, your next thread should be titled Xman Marshall v Vishal Singh.

Don't you agree?


I absolutely do not agree

How does racial equality come into this?

I am looking at two U19 stars...Xman 12 years ago....Hety currently

At the time...many felt including me...that Xman was rushed into the test team...I am saying this may be happening to Hety now

Vishaul Singh is close to 30 years old...why would I want to compare him to Xman

AND I WANT TO MAKE IT ABSOLUTELY CLEAR...I AM NOT INSINUATING HETY IS USING ANY ILLEGAL SUBSTANCES

link Courtesy Joined: Apr 16, 2009
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4/19/17 8:58:36 AM 
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I absolutely do not agree

How does racial equality come into this?

I am looking at two U19 stars...Xman 12 years ago....Hety currently

At the time...many felt including me...that Xman was rushed into the test team...I am saying this may be happening to Hety now

Vishaul Singh is close to 30 years old...why would I want to compare him to Xman

AND I WANT TO MAKE IT ABSOLUTELY CLEAR...I AM NOT INSINUATING HETY IS USING ANY ILLEGAL SUBSTANCES

Let me concede on your points above, with the exception of the ILLEGAL substances issue of which I have no interest in pursuing, nor it is any of my business.

Now on purely the point of "being rushed", you may wish to focus on my subsequent post and make your views public.

link Narper Joined: Jan 4, 2003
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4/19/17 8:59:38 AM 
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In reply to Narper

Hetty doesn't smoke weed....or does he?

I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT KNOW

And when I brought up Xman....it is NOT about his use of any illegal substances...it was the similar circumstances of being a U19 batting star who was promoted to test cricket

link Andy99 Joined: Aug 19, 2009
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4/19/17 9:32:38 AM 
Het has scored runs and done a decent-good job in FC level, something that Xman never did.

link sgtdjones Joined: Feb 16, 2017
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4/19/17 9:57:56 AM 
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I agree

Give him another year playing in our dung heap

or do like Polly does send a player to play in the second division English leagues for a season.

link CricketLuva4 Joined: Mar 9, 2008
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4/19/17 10:10:56 AM 
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Cupboard is arguably more bare than when X-Man came around.

I doubt X-Man's FC average ever touched 30 much less 27-28. Hety's is in the mid 30's and heading in the right direction.

Similarities include that they're both U19 batting talents rushed into the WI team (but they're not the only ones?).

I believe Hety's selection is a horses for courses selection, he dominated the Pak attack, and WI seems like they want to use lefties to counter Yasir, as we saw he struggled to Warner and Renshaw.

Regardless of his results this series, he should be on the next A-team tour.

link Baje Joined: Dec 10, 2002
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4/19/17 10:16:16 AM 
Hetty has more shots, all around the wicket. X-Man was extremely strong driving through the offside, but you could could keep him quiet with length balls on the stumps. Hety moves around his crease more and creates more room

link Narper Joined: Jan 4, 2003
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4/19/17 11:01:49 AM 
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I firmly believe, if Hetmyer is not ready for test cricket then Vishal Singh plays his first test.

I see where you are coming from about race
I can assure you...if Hety plays and Singh does not...I would not have a problem at all
I have a bias for younger players making their test debut....Singh is 28...Hety is 20
Also I have stated here before...I will not rant and rave for Singh...I have seen him struggle to get the ball off the pitch...even though in very recent years...he has become more fluent.
Having said that...Singh has earned his call up too...must make use of the opportunity if selected in the final XI...at his age I don't expect him to be given many chances.

link Narper Joined: Jan 4, 2003
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4/19/17 11:04:23 AM 
In reply to Baje

Good points there Baje

link Narper Joined: Jan 4, 2003
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4/19/17 11:04:52 AM 
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Regardless of his results this series, he should be on the next A-team tour.


I agree.

link Courtesy Joined: Apr 16, 2009
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4/19/17 11:04:57 AM 
In reply to Narper

Is "pushing too fast" a euphemism for not ready for test cricket?

I firmly believe, if Hetmyer is not ready for test cricket then Vishal Singh plays his first test.

link Narper Joined: Jan 4, 2003
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4/19/17 11:05:47 AM 
In reply to Courtesy

Check my 11.01 post.

link Courtesy Joined: Apr 16, 2009
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4/19/17 11:07:57 AM 
In reply to Narper
Is "pushing too fast" a euphemism for not ready for test cricket?

link Narper Joined: Jan 4, 2003
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4/19/17 11:09:14 AM 
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Yep

I thought I already stated so

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