HEADLINE: WICB 'frustrated' by Bravo damages claim

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link sgtdjones Joined: Feb 16, 2017
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4/21/17 10:17:27 AM 
In reply to Kay

OK ah gats $100.00 US to bet he wins

The problem will be a secret agreement Then what ???

Do WE go to arbitration? razz razz razz

link Star Joined: Nov 28, 2002
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4/21/17 10:25:40 AM 
In reply to NewsJunkie
And if they keep this foolhardy attitude of not selecting him, sue them again.

Cannot sue for that as an employer is not obligated to keep a person employed.

The 120k indicates that they are looking at compensatory damages.

Nothing to stop them asking for punitive damages. Could be a consideration.

link Domic Joined: Feb 11, 2003
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4/21/17 10:33:56 AM 
In reply to NewsJunkie

And as a supporter i say pay him and say goodbye. enough is enough

link DIEHARD Joined: Jan 12, 2006
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4/21/17 10:35:17 AM 
In reply to Star

U think the court will have that view?

It can be proven that he was only not being considered for selection as a result of his remarks.

Based on his contract with WICB.. Both verbal and written and implied and his past performances.

Bravo could and should have been expected to be selected.

WICB losing easy easy

link Star Joined: Nov 28, 2002
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4/21/17 12:41:58 PM 
In reply to DIEHARD
U think the court will have that view?

It is the law.

Your employer for instance can come to you today and fire you even if you are the best worker. If you are under contract, they will pay out the remainder of the contract.

If you are salaried, they will pay you severance pay.

There is no obligation for your employer to keep you employed no matter how good a worker you are.

link Narper Joined: Jan 4, 2003
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4/21/17 1:31:30 PM 
In reply to NewsJunkie

All the players should be thanking Darren for making a stand and setting a precedent on this


No precedence being set here.

Sarwan, Deonarine and Simmons all collected hefty compensation in the past for similar WICB fcukeries

link earthkain Joined: Nov 24, 2005
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4/21/17 1:49:07 PM 
[b]In reply to Star[/

I'm not sure which country's law you are quoting.

There have been instances in Trinidad where the Industrial Court has ordered reinstatement of employees who have been found to have been wrongly terminated.

The link below is one instance I found, judgement on the last page.

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link Wally-1 Joined: Jan 8, 2003
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4/21/17 3:01:28 PM 
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Bravo was frigging wrong,period..The prez was frigging wrong, period,so where is the compromise? WICB is an admin. with poor people skills.

link Khaga Joined: Mar 29, 2016
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4/21/17 3:04:03 PM 
What is WICB? How is it related to CWI?

link johnjo Joined: May 1, 2007
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4/21/17 3:20:06 PM 
In reply to CaribbeanCricket.com

Well done Bravo.

So just cause theyare offering him a way back means he shouldn't sue? It's a matter of principle.

Sue them rass yes. Easiest case to win

link DIEHARD Joined: Jan 12, 2006
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4/21/17 3:46:49 PM 
In reply to Star

There is such a thing as wrongful termination.

And this is not the classic employer employee relationship at work here.

People love to act like these guys are bank tellers.

They're professional sportsmen

link POINT Joined: Jan 2, 2003
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4/21/17 4:45:15 PM 
The Freaking Point is this People .

WAS BRAVO GIVEN A HEARING BY

THE WORST INTERNATIONAL

CRICKET BOARD IN THE

COMMONWEALTH ; AKA THE

WICBC BEFORE THE EMPERORS

DECIDED TO FIRE HIM ??????????

Intrestingly , many seem oblivious
of this freaking Fact .

BRAVO'S OUTBURST WAS

PROMPTED BY CAMERON

STATING A LIE REGARDING WHAT

LEVEL CONTRACT BRAVO HAD .

Now it is quite possible that Cameron deliberately decided to
do this , in a Machiavellian Tactic
to goad Bravo into making an intemperate remark , in order to
anger Bravo .

In this Forum I have stated , that
the ONUS was on Cameron to know
what level Contract Bravo had . before making his Public Statement
regarding Bravo's Contract .

I do not believe that Cameron is
a Stupid man , hence my belief that
he deliberately decided to goad
Bravo into responding in anger .

Quite frankly the Emperors in the
Worst International Cricket Board
in the Commonwealth , aka the WICBC for years have been the Masters of Deception .

They have commissioned Reports
and then summarily dismissed them . It is very important for People to understand this freaking
fact :

THE WICBC HAS NEVER EVER

CHANGED ITS STRUCTURE SINCE

ITS FORMATION IN THE 20TH .

CENTURY .BTW , WE ARE NOW

LIVING IN THE 21ST. CENTURY .

It has never ever been Transparent ;
Accountable ; or adherred to the
Principles of Good Governance in
its capacity of being the Stewards
of West Indies Cricket .

link Star Joined: Nov 28, 2002
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4/21/17 5:00:56 PM 
In reply to earthkain
I'm not sure which country's law you are quoting.

Let's deal with Trinidad law.

Union workers and Government workers have statutory protection against unjust dismissal.

Under Trinidad law, employers are allowed to terminate without cause.

link Star Joined: Nov 28, 2002
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4/21/17 5:11:04 PM 
In reply to DIEHARD
There is such a thing as wrongful termination


Of course there is.

Wrongful dismissal applies if an employer violates an employees's human rights or violated certain parts of the Employment Standards Act.

Employment Law whether in the Cayman Islands or Trinidad allows employers to terminate employment without just cause.

Darren Bravo being a professional athlete is immaterial to the issue. His contract will be paid out.

The courts cannot order the WICB's selectors to include him in the team.

link sgtdjones Joined: Feb 16, 2017
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4/21/17 5:22:48 PM 
In reply to Star

But if it is shown that he was denied the right to employment by WICB rules

A court can give compensation. Isn't that what lil B wants.

Where did he ask for them to put him back on the team.

link POINT Joined: Jan 2, 2003
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4/21/17 5:36:56 PM 
In reply to Star

Let me remind YOU that there is a
little semingly unimportant thing
called :

DUE PROCESS

Darren Bravo in my opinion was not
accorded Due Process , in this matter . Bravo should have had
an opportunity to explain what prompted his outburst against
Emperor Cameron .

Now my perspective is that it is
totally asinine to simply hone in
on Bravo calling Cameron a " Big Idiot " .

As I have repeatedly stated in this
Forum , Cameron had an obligation
to be factual when he made the statement regardig the Level of Contract Bravo had .

I seriously doubt that ANYONE can
dispute this . My take is that Cameron deliberately decided to
goad Bravo .

It was after all this Lie that Cameron
stated that prompted Bravo to call
Cameron a Big Idiot . I , like Bravo
concluded that Cameron had an obligation to be factual in his Statement .

The fact is that Cameron stated a Big Fat Lie regarding the level of
Contract Bravo had . My disgust
is that many are solely focusing on
what Bravo Tweeted , completely
ignoring the fact that Bravo remarks were prompted by the Lie that Cameron stated .

It is very likely that had Cameron
stated correctly the level contract
Bravo had ,this Bruhaha would not
have occurred .

link sgtdjones Joined: Feb 16, 2017
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4/21/17 5:46:23 PM 
In reply to POINT

Point

If lil B didn't violate rules

CWI gats a disciplinary Committee to handle such.

Did Pybus suspend him or Cameron, are they on such committee?

Who came up with he must apologize or be suspended.

Did CWI do due diligence and give lil B an opportunity to defend himself?

Is there a clause that states a player will not be given the opportunity to defend himself ?

link POINT Joined: Jan 2, 2003
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4/21/17 8:04:46 PM 
In reply to sgtdjones

My perspective remains the same
I do not believe that Darren Bravo
was accorded DUE PROCESS .

In essence Darren Bravo should have been called before the Disciplinary Committee , to explain
what prompted him to call Cameron
a Big Idiot .

Now if that had happened , in his defense , Bravo could have claimed
that Cameron publicly lied ; regarding the level of contract that
Bravo had .

I do not believe that Bravo is demented ; so calling Cameron a
Big Idiot was Bravo simply venting
his frustration regarding the manner in which he was being treated .

Cameron in my opinion , was & is
fully aware of this fact ; and realized
that in a Hearing , Bravo could rightly claim that his outburst was
prompted by the Lie regarding the
level contract that Cameron stated
he had .

I believe that it was then decided to
skip giving Bravo a hearing , and
just ban him outright . My disgust
is that many people in the Region
have bluntly refused to focus on the fact that Cameron also bears some
responsibility in this matter, because whether wittingly or unwittingly Cameron had a responsibility to factually ascertain
what level Contract had before stating what He said .

This matter could have been easily
solved by having both Cameron &
Bravo issue Apologise to each other
.
However I do not believe that any
of the Emperors in the Worst International Cricket Board in the
Commonwealth , aka the WICBC ,
would ever apologise to a Player .

link rubberd Joined: Apr 2, 2010
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4/21/17 8:36:37 PM 
In reply to sgtdjones

Big idiot.

Phrase denoting someone who engages in an activity which they regret majorly later on, and affects either themselves or others in a negative way.
How by its definition you can suspend a person for saying big idiot.

This is all about hurt feeling and you cant suspend a person for that.

It would help if all of you google the phrase and usage. It describes exactly what Cameron and WICB did, react now they regret.

link rubberd Joined: Apr 2, 2010
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4/21/17 8:40:59 PM 
I said from the outset that DB will sue for loss of earnings and win.

link sgtdjones Joined: Feb 16, 2017
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4/21/17 8:41:01 PM 
In reply to POINT

This matter could have been easily
solved by having both Cameron &
Bravo issue Apologise to each other


I agree and it could have been done privately months ago.
.
Do you recall any player being brought before this disciplinary committee?

I am clueless about who is on such a committee?

link rubberd Joined: Apr 2, 2010
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4/21/17 8:48:10 PM 
In reply to Star

Look up unfair dismissal. Employee have rights. Commerce could not exist if employers could terminate employment without cause, that is why financial institutions accepts letters from your employer as a form of security for loans.

link openning Joined: Nov 13, 2002
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4/21/17 8:59:00 PM 
Are these guys not private contractors?
If they are, why are fans comparing them to regular employees?
Can a player sue the board for non selection?

link Star Joined: Nov 28, 2002
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4/21/17 9:00:01 PM 
In reply to sgtdjones
A court can give compensation. Isn't that what lil B wants.

It appears as if you are reading but not understanding anything. I am on Darren Bravo's side re this issue.

The report states he is asking for 120k to which "NewsJunkie" inferred was peanuts.

I pointed out that 120k indicated they were most likely seeking "compensatory damages" due to the small amount but that "punitive damages" could also be considered.

Where did he ask for them to put him back on the team.

Once again you are reading and not understanding. I never said he asked to be put back on the team.

I was responding to Eearthkain's post re a case in Trinidad where the Industrial Court ordered the employees be re-instated.

Not a good reference for Bravo's situation because the two are dissamilar and as I pointed out to Earthkain in my post, the Courts cannot order the WICB or its selectors to include Mr.Bravo in the team.

Try to read and understand what is written.

link Star Joined: Nov 28, 2002
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4/21/17 9:10:13 PM 
In reply to POINT
Let me remind YOU that there is a
little semingly unimportant thing
called :

DUE PROCESS


What are you going on about? Did you not read my post where I stated the following? Sometimes I wonder if you guys just post without understanding what is being conveyed.

The WICB did not follow the proper procedure plain and simple.
The other problem for the WICB is that they cannot draw inference from a vague expression.
Tweeting "Big Idiot" is not sufficient cause for draconian action against the tweeter.

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