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Has Jamaica ever produced a great batsman?

 
Devin 2017-04-21 14:36:12 

Headley only played 22 Tests, and he was born in Panama.

In addition to what is stated above, it's hard to take cricket in the 1800's seriously. For example, Bradman averaging 99.94 in Test cricket.

 
cricketmygame 2017-04-21 14:37:20 

In reply to Devin

Gayle is a t20 Great big grin

 
Narper 2017-04-21 14:40:44 

In reply to Devin

An icon was recently dropped wink

 
Wally-1 2017-04-21 14:42:48 

In reply to Narper

Dats right

 
mikesiva 2017-04-21 14:45:18 

In reply to Devin

Headley had jamaican parentage. That's enough.

A lot of Jamaicans lived and worked in Panama those days. My wife still has cousins in Panama.

 
Devin 2017-04-21 14:52:08 

In reply to mikesiva

22 Tests though? Name a great bowler he faced? Has anyone here seen Headley bat?

 
SnoopDog 2017-04-21 14:52:18 

In reply to Devin

For example, Bradman averaging 99.94 in Test cricket.


During the 1988 tour of the Windies to Oz the teams were introduced to Bradman after the conclusion of one of the Test matches. During the match Merv Hughes hung on with the bat to ensure a draw. Neither one of Patrick Patterson, Marshall, Ambrose or Walsh could get him out.

Anyways, when it was Patterson's turn to meet Bradman, he looked down and said to the great man "You're Don Bradman? Maaan, you so small I would break you in two and knock out your middle stump if you had to bat against me". Bradman smiled and quipped right back at Patterson "You could even get bloody Merv Hughes out and you think you could get me out?" lol

 
tc1 2017-04-21 14:55:34 

In reply to mikesiva


go lightly, he also had Bajans parentage
lol lol

 
JahJah 2017-04-21 15:10:20 

In reply to tc1

Raised by a Jamaican woman in Jamaica. Bajan sperm donor. cool

 
ponderiver 2017-04-21 15:20:55 

In reply to JahJah


Di Bajan get a Jacket big grin big grin

 
JahJah 2017-04-21 15:40:29 

In reply to ponderiver

Di Bajan get a Jacket


From

big grin big grin big grin

 
tc1 2017-04-21 15:45:26 

In reply to JahJah

The cricketing genes from his Bajan father

 
Devin 2017-04-21 16:24:53 

In reply to SnoopDog

big grin big grin big grin big grin

 
Raggs 2017-04-21 16:29:29 

In reply to Devin

No they have not. Gifted ones yes,great not.

 
WestDem 2017-04-21 16:31:22 

In reply to Devin

They produce one but he bolt cricket for Running...Bolt!

 
JahJah 2017-04-21 16:35:58 

In reply to tc1

The cricketing genes from his Bajan father


So Ato Boldon got his sprinting genes from his Jamaican mother.

Bajan genes responsible for all dem gully queens. lol

 
TheTrail 2017-04-21 16:47:55 

In reply to tc1


Jamaica and Barbados were the main contributors to the building of that canal.

Over fifty thousand Barbadians went to Panama during that time period.


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SirGarny 2017-04-21 17:02:54 

In reply to Devin

Jamaica has only one test batsman averaging over 50...that's Headley

They have some pretty decent ones whose average is 40 or greater in test cricket

Rowe
Gayle
Adams

They've done better in the bowling department..

Walsh
Holding
Patterson
Gilchrist
Alf Valentine (only spinner of note)

I'd be curious to see a list from Trinidad..

 
Drapsey 2017-04-21 17:17:10 

In reply to Devin

Has Jamaica ever produced a great batsman?

Yes. In the person of Christopher Henry Gayle.

Test Format:

Two triple tons putting him in the exclusive club where his contemporaries are Sir Donald Bradman; Brian Lara; Virendra Sehwag.

One triple ton away on tour.

ODI:

Twenty two ODI tons (most for the West Indies).


T20:

Enumerable records. He sets standards here.

 
tc1 2017-04-21 17:31:22 

In reply to TheTrail

O yeah, many families and friends fore parents were in Panama, all islands were represented in Panama, but as you stated the yardies and Bajans expatriates were in the thousands

 
Devin 2017-04-21 17:38:10 

In reply to Drapsey

Gayle was neither great in Tests nor ODI'S. He was a great 20/20 league batsman, but rarely scored runs when they mattered.

 
Scar 2017-04-21 19:41:10 

In reply to Devin

You funny sometimes and facetious too! big grin You know better for example I agree wid u when you chastise those who put Bravo on a high ped. But you cannot blame Headley for no cricket during Hitlers War no facting body in their right mind would travel to England or Aus or India to play cricket during those 8 years or so!! Thats 35 to 40 Tests lost. Headley was about 40 when Test cricket tesumed I think and though he still scored 40 a few times clearly the age and rust took hold.

Bradman I question for refusing to go play in India as was reported and the WI as well. He just loved English bowling though just like some who lopsidedly scored many tons vs bottom teams today.

Gayle is T20 great for sure and geatness means consistency not necessarily at every final or semi; the ones that get you to the finals are just as important or u wouldnt have gotten there big grin

 
Runs 2017-04-21 19:45:26 

In reply to SirGarny

lol Come in Trinis. Ragoonath anyone?

 
spider 2017-04-21 20:03:38 

In reply to Scar

When did Bradman refuse to go play in India? I think Australia played India once during Bradman's time and he scored a truck load of runs, as he did against everyone else he played. Nobody can seriously challenge Bradman's place at the top of the list of great batsmen.

 
Scar 2017-04-21 20:11:05 

In reply to spider

I said as was reported, it may have been wrong or later on he refused. I did read something somewhere. I always wonder why he didnt get 100 ? big grin
Jus like why Weekes didnt get that 5th straight Ton big grin

 
Scar 2017-04-21 20:52:25 

In reply to spider

Actually I was correct. He never toured India one of his regrets. It may not have mattered since India was the newrst Test team and weakest at 10 and 0. He didnt tour West Indies either but in OZ scored 2 tons 43 and 0 vs them in a series in.the 30s. The Windies were much improved by the 40s and 50s and he was past his days then. Bradman played 90% plus of his Tests vs,England whom he owned some 22 of his 29 Tests against. Talk about domination!! If Samuels had a steady head he woulda been on tap to beat that since he owned English bowlers big grin Just kidding!

 
tc1 2017-04-21 20:55:31 

In reply to JahJah

Bajan genes responsible for all dem gully queens.


yes, including you.

 
Khaga 2017-04-21 20:58:02 

Here we go again with this line of thought . "Inventor of abacus is far superior to the inventor of Watson"..

 
db 2017-04-21 21:15:34 

Desmond Lewis

 
TheTrail 2017-04-21 21:22:42 

In reply to tc1

In reply to JahJah

Bajan genes responsible for all dem gully queens.


yes, including you.


Be nice fuh once nuh! smile

 
tc1 2017-04-21 21:40:28 

In reply to TheTrail

lol lol lol

 
Scar 2017-04-21 21:41:43 

In reply to Devin
Also you know its the 1950s not 1800s
big grin
Only 60 years ago just about half a generation. When fielding rules change to encourage more run getting, and more Test nations come on board there will be double the mumber of Tons made today at faster rates as we already see happening. Those future fans etc will also say cricket was easier back then. Just as they say older soccer players were not as great even though the rules of tackling has caused a dont touch in the box. big grin

 
Ewart 2017-04-21 21:45:11 

In reply to Devin



Yes. I saw Headley bat.


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Ewart 2017-04-21 21:46:05 

In reply to db



Jimmy Adams

JK Holt

Collie Smith


They were so good Frank Worrell came to join them.

wink


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rillo 2017-04-21 22:42:20 

In reply to Devin

Lawrence Rowe AND Marvin Foster.
Saw both of them play especially Foster getting bowled for 99 and Lawrence Rowe's 214 and 100 not out.
He had all the time to play his strokes and his cover drives were delightful to watch.
This from a Trini.

 
rillo 2017-04-21 22:44:15 

In reply to Runs

Rowe was definitely class.
Foster was a FC bully when he got out in a test for 99 he never recovered from that.

 
db 2017-04-21 23:21:33 

In reply to Ewart

Worrell was Baje

 
spider 2017-04-21 23:41:25 

In reply to Scar

Australia never toured India during Bradman's time. He faced the best bowlers of his time and dominated them. He was a whole lot better than every other batsman of his time.

 
Ewart 2017-04-22 01:12:05 

In reply to db


Columbus!


You don't think I know that?


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Chrissy 2017-04-22 07:14:06 

In reply to mikesiva

Headley learned cricket in Jamaica but remember his mom was Jamaican and his dad was Bajan.

That said Headley was a great cricketer. Ask LIARfan - he has tapes from 1928 lol

 
Timpy 2017-04-22 07:55:50 

In reply to Chrissy

Fan still post here?

 
BeatDball 2017-04-22 08:35:54 

In reply to mikesiva Also, dudley Thompson, a retired Jamaican minister of transportation was born in Panama N later died in Ghana!

 
Chrissy 2017-04-22 11:25:30 

In reply to Timpy

Nah he lying still somewhere else lol

 
Scar 2017-04-22 11:37:49 

In reply to spider
Like I said. India was new to cricket during that time and was 0 and 10 in Test cricket anyway. Test Cricket was basically England and OZ which is why his Tons vs England is 22 of his 29 Tons. There is the saying that familiarity breeds success. Same as Windies,FC cricket where the same guys either takr the most Tons. Playing the same opps over and over and being the best of the lot is a great recipe. Like I said his lowest scores was 43 and 0 vs an improving WI team

 
spider 2017-04-22 13:49:14 

In reply to Scar

Bradman was simply incomparable; much better than the next best. And if familiarity breeds success then the other batsmen who played regularly would be just as familiar. How come they couldn't come close to Bradman?

 
Drapsey 2017-04-22 13:52:08 

In reply to Chrissy

Deleted.

 
TheTrail 2017-04-22 14:46:10 

In reply to SirGarny

I'd be curious to see a list from Trinidad..


Ramadin. "One of the two little pals of mine" who bowled in long sleeve shirt buttoned to the wrist back in the day .

 
Scar 2017-04-22 18:44:07 

In reply to spider

Thats where cricket batting averages differ from all else. A not out is not counted even if a team innings ends. Its why Americans say baseball has the purest sport statistics an at bat is an at bat home run, single or out.
Now you sound as if you think I am anti Bradman as the standard bearer for batsmen, far from it. I simply pointed out that he played only in England and OZ, turned down going to SA.
Stats wise Bradman played 80 Tests scored 29 Tons 22 vs England, scored less than 30 also 29 Times kinda even Steven. The closest to that in his time was Emglishman Hammond with 22 Tons vs OZ and 3 doubles. The difference being N.O.
Guess he was not great as Bradman because of that. But that confirms that the top on each side dominated through familiarity paired with their above the others ability.

What made the 99 average was his stamina to stay at the wicket and score over 150 runs 23% of the time with 3 triples. The next best in that capacity is Sobers with 17%

Bradman himself admitted that in todays cricket he would gave averaged between 55 to 60. Due to what he and historians say is first 6 ball per 80 overs daily compared to 8 ball 100 overs per and field setings. The fact that both teams never employed deep midwicket or deep point until the Brits introduced it to stem runs along with the hated bodyline bowling which worked.

The first Test Bradman and OZ accused England of ungetlemanly cricket due to short pitched bowling which he hated and he claimed he had a nervous breakdown before the 2nd Test but turned up for the third. Most of his less Bradmanesque innings came with that new event which the MCC santioned as within the rules which OZ later copied. Bradman was susceptible to legspin/googley bowling due to his cross bat unorthodox style, he was no technician as some here crucify players over. Viv anyone. Hit the ball whre fielders aint ny any means was his style of going outside off or on off much like I think S Smith copies him today.

Today short pitched bowling is the norm as is defensive field setting something frowned on then. They believed in attacking cricket.

Bradman was the best of his time and credit to hom he felt that players like Soners and Tendy would have been as dominant in his day.

 
Khaga 2017-04-22 18:55:12 

In reply to Scar


Stats wise Bradman played 80 Tests


50 odd..not more than 60

 
Scar 2017-04-22 19:04:58 

In reply to Khaga

Sorry that should have been 80 innings batted in 52 Tests played.

 
spider 2017-04-22 19:20:33 

In reply to Scar

Where do you get this information? Where did he say he'd have averaged 55-60 today or that Sobers and Tendulkar would be as dominant in his day? And what is your basis for saying he was susceptible to legspin. Bradman brutalized all bowlers including leg spinners. You are right he didn't enjoy body line. Nobody did. But he still averaged 56 for the series. And speaking of hammond, Hammond Needed more than 6 innings on average to score a century. Bradman needed less than 3.

Again, Bradman was incomparable. No other batsman comes close.

 
outside_edge 2017-04-22 23:17:58 

In reply to spider

Bradman incomparable???? How can you call a batsman incomparable when:

a). You cannot name one great bowler in his era whom he faced in his entire Test career
b). He has one of the lowest percentage of LBW dismissals (6 out of 80 innings)....umpires always gave him the benefit of the doubt
c). He hit only 6 sixes in his entire test career... even Courtney Walsh hit 19

In so far as Australian batsmen, Border and Ponting were both better than him.

Incomparable should be reserved for batsmen like Lara, Tendulkar, Richards and Sobers. (Geoff Boycott has always said that he has seen three great batsmen in his lifetime, and they all happen to be West Indian.... Lara, Richards and Sobers, but Tendulkar was later added to his list)

 
spider 2017-04-22 23:58:47 

In reply to outside_edge

There were a number of great batsmen in Bradman's time. He averaged over 30 runs per innings more than all of them. I won't bother to address your assertion that he faced no great bowlers because thats nonsense. As to his LBW record then the English umpires must have been in on it too because he was out LBW only once in England.

And, of course, you are right: Walsh was better than Bradman by virtue of having hit more sixes. By that measure Blackwood is better than Everton Weekes, Frank Worrell, Lawrence Rowe, kallicharran and a host of other great batsmen.

 
Babylon 2017-04-23 07:53:21 

In reply to spider
Spider why argue wid a hidiot?