Headley only played 22 Tests, and he was born in Panama.
In addition to what is stated above, it's hard to take cricket in the 1800's seriously. For example, Bradman averaging 99.94 in Test cricket.
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Has Jamaica ever produced a great batsman?
In reply to Devin
Gayle is a t20 Great
In reply to Devin
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In reply to Narper
Dats right
In reply to Devin
Headley had jamaican parentage. That's enough.
A lot of Jamaicans lived and worked in Panama those days. My wife still has cousins in Panama.
In reply to mikesiva
22 Tests though? Name a great bowler he faced? Has anyone here seen Headley bat?
In reply to Devin
During the 1988 tour of the Windies to Oz the teams were introduced to Bradman after the conclusion of one of the Test matches. During the match Merv Hughes hung on with the bat to ensure a draw. Neither one of Patrick Patterson, Marshall, Ambrose or Walsh could get him out.
Anyways, when it was Patterson's turn to meet Bradman, he looked down and said to the great man "You're Don Bradman? Maaan, you so small I would break you in two and knock out your middle stump if you had to bat against me". Bradman smiled and quipped right back at Patterson "You could even get bloody Merv Hughes out and you think you could get me out?"
In reply to mikesiva
go lightly, he also had Bajans parentage
In reply to tc1
Raised by a Jamaican woman in Jamaica. Bajan sperm donor.
In reply to JahJah
Di Bajan get a Jacket
In reply to JahJah
The cricketing genes from his Bajan father
In reply to SnoopDog
In reply to Devin
No they have not. Gifted ones yes,great not.
In reply to Devin
They produce one but he bolt cricket for Running...Bolt!
In reply to tc1
So Ato Boldon got his sprinting genes from his Jamaican mother.
Bajan genes responsible for all dem gully queens.
In reply to tc1
Jamaica and Barbados were the main contributors to the building of that canal.
Over fifty thousand Barbadians went to Panama during that time period.
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In reply to Devin
Jamaica has only one test batsman averaging over 50...that's Headley
They have some pretty decent ones whose average is 40 or greater in test cricket
Rowe
Gayle
Adams
They've done better in the bowling department..
Walsh
Holding
Patterson
Gilchrist
Alf Valentine (only spinner of note)
I'd be curious to see a list from Trinidad..
In reply to Devin
Yes. In the person of Christopher Henry Gayle.
Test Format:
Two triple tons putting him in the exclusive club where his contemporaries are Sir Donald Bradman; Brian Lara; Virendra Sehwag.
One triple ton away on tour.
ODI:
Twenty two ODI tons (most for the West Indies).
T20:
Enumerable records. He sets standards here.
In reply to TheTrail
O yeah, many families and friends fore parents were in Panama, all islands were represented in Panama, but as you stated the yardies and Bajans expatriates were in the thousands
In reply to Drapsey
Gayle was neither great in Tests nor ODI'S. He was a great 20/20 league batsman, but rarely scored runs when they mattered.
In reply to Devin
You funny sometimes and facetious too! You know better for example I agree wid u when you chastise those who put Bravo on a high ped. But you cannot blame Headley for no cricket during Hitlers War no facting body in their right mind would travel to England or Aus or India to play cricket during those 8 years or so!! Thats 35 to 40 Tests lost. Headley was about 40 when Test cricket tesumed I think and though he still scored 40 a few times clearly the age and rust took hold.
Bradman I question for refusing to go play in India as was reported and the WI as well. He just loved English bowling though just like some who lopsidedly scored many tons vs bottom teams today.
Gayle is T20 great for sure and geatness means consistency not necessarily at every final or semi; the ones that get you to the finals are just as important or u wouldnt have gotten there
In reply to SirGarny
Come in Trinis. Ragoonath anyone?
In reply to Scar
When did Bradman refuse to go play in India? I think Australia played India once during Bradman's time and he scored a truck load of runs, as he did against everyone else he played. Nobody can seriously challenge Bradman's place at the top of the list of great batsmen.
In reply to spider
I said as was reported, it may have been wrong or later on he refused. I did read something somewhere. I always wonder why he didnt get 100 ?
Jus like why Weekes didnt get that 5th straight Ton
In reply to spider
Actually I was correct. He never toured India one of his regrets. It may not have mattered since India was the newrst Test team and weakest at 10 and 0. He didnt tour West Indies either but in OZ scored 2 tons 43 and 0 vs them in a series in.the 30s. The Windies were much improved by the 40s and 50s and he was past his days then. Bradman played 90% plus of his Tests vs,England whom he owned some 22 of his 29 Tests against. Talk about domination!! If Samuels had a steady head he woulda been on tap to beat that since he owned English bowlers Just kidding!
In reply to JahJah
Bajan genes responsible for all dem gully queens.
yes, including you.
Here we go again with this line of thought . "Inventor of abacus is far superior to the inventor of Watson"..
Desmond Lewis
In reply to tc1
Bajan genes responsible for all dem gully queens.
yes, including you.
Be nice fuh once nuh!
In reply to TheTrail
In reply to Devin
Also you know its the 1950s not 1800s
Only 60 years ago just about half a generation. When fielding rules change to encourage more run getting, and more Test nations come on board there will be double the mumber of Tons made today at faster rates as we already see happening. Those future fans etc will also say cricket was easier back then. Just as they say older soccer players were not as great even though the rules of tackling has caused a dont touch in the box.
In reply to Devin
Yes. I saw Headley bat.
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In reply to db
Jimmy Adams
JK Holt
Collie Smith
They were so good Frank Worrell came to join them.
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In reply to Devin
Lawrence Rowe AND Marvin Foster.
Saw both of them play especially Foster getting bowled for 99 and Lawrence Rowe's 214 and 100 not out.
He had all the time to play his strokes and his cover drives were delightful to watch.
This from a Trini.
In reply to Runs
Rowe was definitely class.
Foster was a FC bully when he got out in a test for 99 he never recovered from that.
In reply to Ewart
Worrell was Baje
In reply to Scar
Australia never toured India during Bradman's time. He faced the best bowlers of his time and dominated them. He was a whole lot better than every other batsman of his time.
In reply to db
Columbus!
You don't think I know that?
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In reply to mikesiva
Headley learned cricket in Jamaica but remember his mom was Jamaican and his dad was Bajan.
That said Headley was a great cricketer. Ask LIARfan - he has tapes from 1928
In reply to Chrissy
Fan still post here?
In reply to mikesiva Also, dudley Thompson, a retired Jamaican minister of transportation was born in Panama N later died in Ghana!
In reply to Timpy
Nah he lying still somewhere else
In reply to spider
Like I said. India was new to cricket during that time and was 0 and 10 in Test cricket anyway. Test Cricket was basically England and OZ which is why his Tons vs England is 22 of his 29 Tons. There is the saying that familiarity breeds success. Same as Windies,FC cricket where the same guys either takr the most Tons. Playing the same opps over and over and being the best of the lot is a great recipe. Like I said his lowest scores was 43 and 0 vs an improving WI team
In reply to Scar
Bradman was simply incomparable; much better than the next best. And if familiarity breeds success then the other batsmen who played regularly would be just as familiar. How come they couldn't come close to Bradman?
In reply to Chrissy
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In reply to SirGarny
Ramadin. "One of the two little pals of mine" who bowled in long sleeve shirt buttoned to the wrist back in the day .
In reply to spider
Thats where cricket batting averages differ from all else. A not out is not counted even if a team innings ends. Its why Americans say baseball has the purest sport statistics an at bat is an at bat home run, single or out.
Now you sound as if you think I am anti Bradman as the standard bearer for batsmen, far from it. I simply pointed out that he played only in England and OZ, turned down going to SA.
Stats wise Bradman played 80 Tests scored 29 Tons 22 vs England, scored less than 30 also 29 Times kinda even Steven. The closest to that in his time was Emglishman Hammond with 22 Tons vs OZ and 3 doubles. The difference being N.O.
Guess he was not great as Bradman because of that. But that confirms that the top on each side dominated through familiarity paired with their above the others ability.
What made the 99 average was his stamina to stay at the wicket and score over 150 runs 23% of the time with 3 triples. The next best in that capacity is Sobers with 17%
Bradman himself admitted that in todays cricket he would gave averaged between 55 to 60. Due to what he and historians say is first 6 ball per 80 overs daily compared to 8 ball 100 overs per and field setings. The fact that both teams never employed deep midwicket or deep point until the Brits introduced it to stem runs along with the hated bodyline bowling which worked.
The first Test Bradman and OZ accused England of ungetlemanly cricket due to short pitched bowling which he hated and he claimed he had a nervous breakdown before the 2nd Test but turned up for the third. Most of his less Bradmanesque innings came with that new event which the MCC santioned as within the rules which OZ later copied. Bradman was susceptible to legspin/googley bowling due to his cross bat unorthodox style, he was no technician as some here crucify players over. Viv anyone. Hit the ball whre fielders aint ny any means was his style of going outside off or on off much like I think S Smith copies him today.
Today short pitched bowling is the norm as is defensive field setting something frowned on then. They believed in attacking cricket.
Bradman was the best of his time and credit to hom he felt that players like Soners and Tendy would have been as dominant in his day.
In reply to Scar
Stats wise Bradman played 80 Tests
50 odd..not more than 60
In reply to Khaga
Sorry that should have been 80 innings batted in 52 Tests played.
In reply to Scar
Where do you get this information? Where did he say he'd have averaged 55-60 today or that Sobers and Tendulkar would be as dominant in his day? And what is your basis for saying he was susceptible to legspin. Bradman brutalized all bowlers including leg spinners. You are right he didn't enjoy body line. Nobody did. But he still averaged 56 for the series. And speaking of hammond, Hammond Needed more than 6 innings on average to score a century. Bradman needed less than 3.
Again, Bradman was incomparable. No other batsman comes close.
In reply to spider
Bradman incomparable???? How can you call a batsman incomparable when:
a). You cannot name one great bowler in his era whom he faced in his entire Test career
b). He has one of the lowest percentage of LBW dismissals (6 out of 80 innings)....umpires always gave him the benefit of the doubt
c). He hit only 6 sixes in his entire test career... even Courtney Walsh hit 19
In so far as Australian batsmen, Border and Ponting were both better than him.
Incomparable should be reserved for batsmen like Lara, Tendulkar, Richards and Sobers. (Geoff Boycott has always said that he has seen three great batsmen in his lifetime, and they all happen to be West Indian.... Lara, Richards and Sobers, but Tendulkar was later added to his list)
In reply to outside_edge
There were a number of great batsmen in Bradman's time. He averaged over 30 runs per innings more than all of them. I won't bother to address your assertion that he faced no great bowlers because thats nonsense. As to his LBW record then the English umpires must have been in on it too because he was out LBW only once in England.
And, of course, you are right: Walsh was better than Bradman by virtue of having hit more sixes. By that measure Blackwood is better than Everton Weekes, Frank Worrell, Lawrence Rowe, kallicharran and a host of other great batsmen.
In reply to spider
Spider why argue wid a hidiot?
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