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Two Changes for NEXT TEST, PLEASE

 
thefacts 2017-04-25 11:20:28 

KB
Powell
Hetmeyer
Blackwood*
Chase
Dowrich
Jason
Cornwall
Bishoo
Joseph
Gabriel

* Blackwood because he is in the squad

 
thefacts 2017-04-25 11:23:09 

Note.

I would not discard Vishaul Singh from the squad, but I feel, that between Hety and Vishaul, only one can play... the batting is just too inexperienced.

 
analyst-kid 2017-04-25 11:50:22 

In my opinion three players effectively failed the WI in this test match

Kraigg...no dogged solid as a rock innings at all as expected

Hope...no match winning innings at the match winning position no 3 at all.

Bishoo...failed to penetrate and hence cut down on that 100+ lead.


newbies like Hetmyer and Singh don't count.

 
embsallie 2017-04-25 11:59:50 

In reply to analyst-kid

Strongly agree, except Hetmyer and Singh probably should not both play at the same time.
This line up is too green.

West Indies and Bravo should iron out their differences, because the cupboard is not only bare,but inexperienced.

 
granite 2017-04-25 12:02:06 

In reply to thefacts
Why is Marlon Samuels not there?

surprised

 
DIEHARD 2017-04-25 12:04:44 

In reply to analyst-kid

Hope was at 4, other than that..decent analysis.

But two newbies is too much.

I would love to see Cornwall at 8..and Blackwood in the team.

Both Newbies shouldnt play, let Hety and Singh pick straws.

I'd shuffle thefacts top 6

KB
Powell
Blackwood
Chase
Hety
Dowrich

 
thefacts 2017-04-25 12:05:30 

In reply to granite

Marlon has not hit a 100 since April 2015. - Two Years

Since that 100, he has played 14 Tests, 3X50s..

At 36 years of age, IMO, its better Samuels sticks to T20 and ODIs, he just doesn't have the game for Test Cricket.

I am not saying others have a Test cricket game, but seriously Marlon has had a decent run. No complaints.

 
googley 2017-04-25 12:15:55 

In reply to DIEHARD


But two newbies is too much.



so why add Cornwall?

he is a newbie with bat and ball!

 
thefacts 2017-04-25 12:16:27 

This test match is classic of this current West Indies team.

Everyone who scored in the first innings, has failed in the second innings.

This Test Match is DONE.

 
DIEHARD 2017-04-25 12:25:40 

In reply to googley

Let me qualify two newbies batting in the top 6, since we having issues putting up 300 runs

 
TheTrail 2017-04-25 13:20:33 

In reply to embsallie

In reply to analyst-kid

Strongly agree, except Hetmyer and Singh probably should not both play at the same time.
This line up is too green


That was a bad idea. At least, I would have played one and bring in another bowler.

The selectors does not have a choice for the next test - they have to bring in another fast or spin bowler otherwise they will get beat again.

 
runout 2017-04-25 13:26:57 

Everyone has an opinion as to what is best for WI cricket. We chop, we change. We are our own worst enemy. Impatient. Discontented. Disappointed. No thought in the process.

Change for the sake of change is not good enough. Let this same team play the next game...they have batted against the Pakistanis bowlers...they may have learned a thing or two...give them a change to right the wrongs...don't just change them after one game.
It is not like you have someone breaking down the door to get in.

Let the team be...we talk about development in a vacuous sense, without giving development a chance to materialize.

 
runout 2017-04-25 13:28:54 

Hetmyer got a good ball off Yasir...and Singh he got a peach from Amir. The first innings he was out to a good shot.

Leave them alone...they will come good.

 
VIX 2017-04-25 13:30:59 

can I have eleven changes please
big grin

 
Devin 2017-04-25 13:32:21 

That's right, chop and change, chop and change.

 
camos 2017-04-25 13:32:38 

you can't play a guy for one game and then change him?

 
WICFan 2017-04-25 13:33:39 

Blackwood needs to play ahead of Hetmyer or Hope.

 
camos 2017-04-25 13:34:10 

for the next game I would change the selectors.
wink

 
VIX 2017-04-25 13:35:23 

de president's 11 nearly lick up pakistan.

bring them all for the next test
big grin

 
Nemesis 2017-04-25 13:36:22 

Our only hope is that these guys learn and get better, however I don't see it though the talent to compete with the best is simply not there. sad

 
VIX 2017-04-25 13:40:33 

In reply to Nemesis

lol
who to put??
who will make a difference?? big grin

 
runout 2017-04-25 14:02:29 

If you really have to change...then I say Bishoo goes. he has been around a long time and his bowling really hasn't blossomed.

 
Andy99 2017-04-25 14:05:38 

Same team.
Hope and maybe Bishoo on notice, if they dont perform next match then they getting a drop for the 3rd.

Give Het and Singh the whole series.

 
navindesigns 2017-04-25 14:06:42 

In reply to thefacts

u still want them to play more tests?

 
camos 2017-04-25 14:07:46 

In reply to Andy99

I don't think there is evidence that Sing will ever be good, but he should play at least another game.

 
WestDem 2017-04-25 14:07:56 

In reply to Andy99

Agree...give them anodda test to gel and if they perform de same way...mek de changes....by the looks of thing in dis team...Bishoo can play as a batsman! lol lol

 
VIX 2017-04-25 14:09:38 

bring on big bat Carter big grin

 
thefacts 2017-04-25 14:10:37 

I have nothing against Vishaul or Hety

But the side is really inexperienced

Atleast let's get one batsmen in the middle with some experience...

If you want to play the same XI, then maybe Move Powell to No.3, Chase to No.4, Hope to No.6, and Hety can open

KB
Hety
Powell
Chase
Vishaul
Hope
Dowrich
Jason
Bishoo
Joseph
Gabriel

But this XI is short on bowling as well

 
openning 2017-04-25 14:11:55 

In reply to camos

Singh was among the leading run scorers a few seasons ago, went on to score 160 odd runs not out, on the last A team tour.

 
Drapsey 2017-04-25 14:16:24 

Ok, so no change then.

After this embarrassment we go into the 2nd test unchanged. The 3rd even.

When we make a decision we stick to it (the manly way).

 
positiveg 2017-04-25 14:18:27 

In reply to Andy99

I see it as a gamble playing both youths, and it didn't really pay off, but the thing is those two youths might very well be the best two to really keep cause they young and will know to learn fast and try to work on their game more. Agree with wha tyou say about Hope and Bishoo, a lot was expected from both of these two. Bishoo especially seeing how he played against the same opponents back in UAE a few months ago. And Hope for raising his game.
I think we have always been quick to chop and change and that have basically killed off the team spirit and many young players. The advantage in this whole thing is we expected to get beaten badly, so the only move to make is a upward move. As much as I'd like to see like Cornwall play, perhaps leave him out and make him get even hungrier for his time to play. Then let everyone know they are on probation. I think this is a fairly young team and needs time to grow. The team management really made a gamble. At least two positives is Gabriel and Joseph's performance they seemed like they got better as the match went on and actually learning their craft. There will be growing pains, which if you look at this team it's like a small business growing pains and difficulties will come but it's how one endures such will determine where one ends up.

 
Narper 2017-04-25 14:24:09 

Buy out Shiv's Lancashire contract and BRING HIM HOME TO PLAY

 
thefacts 2017-04-25 14:26:36 

In reply to Narper

Plus pay Lil Bravo $120k and get him to play too

+ Jerome and Rampaul return

 
runout 2017-04-25 14:27:43 

In reply to Narper

You don't like white fowls???? You know what will happen if that happens... lol lol

 
anthonyp 2017-04-25 14:34:25 

In reply to thefacts

Jerome and Rampaul return to do what exactly?

Joseph and Gabriel failing?

The only other decent batsman who's not in the squad is Bravo... we all know they won't pick Shiv...

The two changes that should made for the next match is Blackwood for Hope and Jacobs for Bishoo...

 
doosra 2017-04-25 14:35:31 

In reply to anthonyp

Bishoo why?

 
openning 2017-04-25 14:38:56 

In reply to doosra

Bishoo why?


He has been competing too long, not to have variety.
We've been writing about this for some time, both Pakistan leggies, make Bihoo look like a schoolboy.

 
thefacts 2017-04-25 14:41:07 

In reply to anthonyp

I was just adding to the spirit of Narper's point

Reality is none of it will happen

 
anthonyp 2017-04-25 14:44:34 

In reply to doosra

I like Bishoo but like his head hard... bowl one one googly or suh nuh... need to sit and reflect maybe the drop will knock some sense in him lol

 
analyst-kid 2017-04-25 14:50:20 

Seeing that the allrounders are putting up more fight than the specialists...I am keen to bring in a Reifer or Cornwall for Singh. Reifer in particular would have contributed in this match MORE than Kraigg,Hope or Singh with bat and ball.

If Roach is near to his form I would love to see him in this team....but where to put him

 
googley 2017-04-25 14:50:55 

In reply to DIEHARD

if you are going to drop players because the team needs experience then why not bring in the experienced ICON that is Samuels who can bat and bowl!

 
openning 2017-04-25 14:54:10 

In reply to analyst-kid

Seeing that the allrounders are putting up more fight than the specialists...I am keen to bring in a Reifer or Cornwall for Singh. Reifer in particular would have contributed in this match MORE than Kraigg,Hope or Singh with bat and ball.


Have you learn anything over the years, about regional performances?
Reifer, Mayers and another of our bits and pieces players, should be dominant in a skill, none of them are up to International standards at this time.

 
londoner 2017-04-25 15:04:37 

In reply to runout I totally agree with you, every time West Indies loose, these so called expert come out of the wood work. With drop this one and bring in this one. As if it will work. The opening did nothing to help the two youngsters come in. If the Aussies had drop Steve Waugh when he did not score a hundred for how many innings he would not be a great player. Or Shane Warne when he went to India, and got hammered. We had Blackwood,in on out the team. Score forty and looses concentration all the time.

 
TheTrail 2017-04-25 15:27:06 

In reply to positiveg

In reply to Andy99

I see it as a gamble playing both youths, and it didn't really pay off, but the thing is those two youths might very well be the best two to really keep cause they young and will know to learn fast and try to work on their game more.


What youth are you talking about??



Singh 28 years old

Hetmeyer 20 years old

Hope 23 years old

Dowrich 24 years old

Kraigg 24 years old

Chase 25 years old

Blackwood 25 years old

 
Real-cricket 2017-04-25 15:41:33 

Cut off the head of the weeds and they grow back in less ghan no time. If you cannot get to the root of the problem then it reemerges.

 
runout 2017-04-25 15:42:16 

In reply to TheTrail

You do realize that the Australian "youths" debut much later, right?

This obsession with age, and not performance is silly. YOu have 18 year old world beaters, and you also have the Husseys of the world.

 
thefacts 2017-04-25 16:30:26 

In reply to runout


This obsession with age, and not performance is silly.


Well said

 
SirGarny 2017-04-25 16:33:28 

In reply to thefacts

If you want to play the same XI, then maybe Move Powell to No.3, Chase to No.4, Hope to No.6, and Hety can open


Is this team built around Hope? Because all we keep hearing is that his sub-20 average is based on the fact that he's been "all over" the batting order.

Can someone from Barbados please let us know what is Hope's "natural" position?

evil evil sad

 
positiveg 2017-04-25 16:37:49 

In reply to TheTrail

Maybe i should of use debutantes and not youths. but I'm sure you knew what i meant, then you gone and bring up their ages. So wouldn't you refer to a team of mid two year olds to be youths?

 
Runs 2017-04-25 16:56:20 

Play the same squad, chopping and changing has not helped in the past. rolleyes

 
runout 2017-04-25 17:00:42 

In reply to Runs

Bro they say if you are lost and don't know which direction to go. Then stop.
Wi selectors should rein in the impulse to chop and change. Think why they selected this team in the first place and have patience in their selections

 
SirGarny 2017-04-25 17:07:56 

In reply to Runs

Talk about chopping and changing. Name the opening partners Chris Gayle has had in his test career...

 
thefacts 2017-04-25 17:51:10 

In reply to SirGarny

If it were upto me, I would drop Hope and play either Hety or Vishaul at a time

My team is in the original lead post

KB
Powell
Hety
Blackwood
Chase
Dowrich
Jason
Cornwall
Bishoo
Joseph
Gabriel

 
embsallie 2017-04-25 18:30:39 

Let's take a look at the test and FC stats of the first six batsmen then the WK and the all-rounder .

KB 35 tests Avg 35.54 105 FC matches Avg 42.57
KP 22 tests Avg 28.14 83 FC matches Avg 33.71
S Het 1 test Avg 15.50 19 FC matches Avg 34.26
S Hope 8 tests Avg 15.40 33 FC matches Avg 38.92
Singh 1 test Avg 9.00 44 FC matches Avg 34.73
Chase 8 tests Avg 33.66 47 FC matches Avg 40.14

Dowrich 9 tests Avg 33.21 66 FC matches Avg 34.61
Holder 21 tests Avg 30.06 46 FC matches Avg 22.88

These stats are appalling for first class matches in any universe and we wonder why these guys do not perform better at the higher level.
This is where the WICB needs to focus their attention and use that as a basis for selection. T[i]o make the higher level you must improve
[/i] should be the message sent to these players.

If a 40 average is the threshold for selection into the test team, only Kraigg and Chase would make it - just barely. That fact is not lost on a better average in tests when compared to their team mates.

Holder seems to be the only one taking batting at test level more seriously than FC level. His stats indicate that he puts a little more effort in that department.

 
Cameron 2017-04-25 18:47:42 

In reply to embsallie

In my view, it was a mistake to include Singh, based on one good score against the tourists. In a total of 75 FC innings, in only 15 has he scored above 50. That is 20%. In no universe is this cthe consistency one expects of a test player.

 
Runs 2017-04-25 19:27:46 

Have a fella name Commie on this site who says FC stats do not matter cool

 
azadtnt 2017-04-25 22:02:14 

There are scope of changes needed and a couple of adjustment
Changes:
Out - Hope, Bishoo
In - Blackwood, Jacobs

Adjustment - Holder as a batsman/bowler we need another strike bowler (Cummings, Reifer, Cornwall)

Concerning - KB is playing away from his body due to poor foot work. Also playing two inexperienced batsmen next to each other was foolish when the more experienced were sitting in the pavilion watching and waiting.


My team for 2nd test:

KP, KB, Blackwood, Chase, Singh, Holder, Dowrich, Cornwall, Jacobs, Joseph, Gabriel, Hetmyer, Cummings

 
azadtnt 2017-04-25 22:04:08 

In reply to Cameron

Based on your facts there would be no batsmen in the team.

 
Scar 2017-04-26 21:34:22 

In reply to WICFan

Why Heymyer and not just Hope?