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First I would ask Mr Bravo state if he

intends to remain a part of West Indies

Cricket or not.

If he no longer chooses to play

for the West Indies then it simply

becomes a matter of determining the

amount of money he is owed.

That decision is outside the scope of

my expertise.

If he indicates that he wishes to

resume his West Indies Cricket career:

that road requires that he removes the

offending tweet.

remove offending tweet?

In reply to Yadi

If Bravo gets away with a pocketful, can you imagine the number of copycats that would spring up? The names called would be even more interesting as everyone tries to improve on "BIG IDIOT".

In reply to Yadi

This player stated and rejected contracts to play Test Cricket for the WICB.

WE have a bone head big ediot President clueless about what he is about to say

Then says it only to be proven wrong.

And you want lil B to grovel as kiss the big Ediot arse

Yadi what glue are you on, time to get a change.

LIL B will do ok without the Ediots at the WICB .

In reply to Yadi

The penalty for Darren should had been done already, by way of a fine or Games suspension, most have seen the type penalties handed out to Sports badboys.
Can you imagine a team having one of their best players not playing, for this length of time?

In reply to openning

You tink any intelligence resides at the WICB ?

In reply to openning

This is more about "teaching a lesson" rather than finding an acceptable solution

In reply to imusic

Are they any leaders on the WICB board?
One would think, most organizations look at best practices and make changes.

That is authoritative attitude, that went out decades ago.
Businesses are not operating from the bottom up, getting input from their Line Staff, when he is DD going to hold a news conference and tell the public he erred, on Darren Bravo's contract, and the issue in now settle

In reply to Drapsey

What do you mean by "get away"?

In reply to sgtdjones

Where did I make such a decision?

In reply to openning

Since this has not been achieved by mutual agreement ... this is why an arbitration

ought to be BINDING.

I am not in favor of President Cameron.

In reply to Drapsey

Drapsey , I would never ask the WICB CEO to apologize to the player ...

Dave Cameron's contribution to this fracas will only cost him (the WICB) money.

In reply to Yadi

You do not need any kind of Binding arbitration, to settle any discipline matter
The WICB has a discipline committee, fine him or suspend him for a number of matches, thats how it should be done, if he broke the Code.

In reply to openning

Companies talk about these best practices but few of them put them into practice.

A director at a place I worked once said to us the running a business is not a democracy. The boss is in charge; if you don't like it go work somewhere else. ..as lil B has done.

In reply to imusic

Teaching a lesson is of absolutely NO significance .. in this case.

However, if I had to adjudicate this case it would be crystal clear

to both parties that after they depart my court ..... that all the DRAMA

is left behind.

In reply to openning

In effect Bravo is on suspension. .. until he apologizes.

Bravo has clearly decided to move on...so let it be

In reply to openning

Bravo has brought President Cameron to court citing loss of wages.

So I am just stating the manner in which I would proceed with this

case.

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

So ... Mr. Opening, if you have a better way to proceed then let me hear.

But do not try to turn back time ....

Because we don't live our lives going backwards ... in time.

In reply to Yadi

Bravo insulted his boss by publicly (via twitter) calling him, quote, BIG IDIOT.

The boss albeit embarrassed as Bravo intended, asked for an apology (via the same medium as the insult) as the criterion for burying the hatchet thereby leading to Bravo's return to the West Indies fold. An easier let-off than anyone expected.

For whatever the underlying reason or reasons, Bravo refused and continue to refuse accepting the offer.

Finally he, Bravo, has decided to lay claim to some $120,000 as compensation for being forced into inactivity.

My opinion is that if he is compensated any portion of the claim, he "gets away" with publicly insulting his boss, and further, sets precedent for similar behavior.

You might've noticed that I've never said Bravo was wrong for calling DD a BIG IDIOT, I'm faulting him for not accepting the offer to apologize. How much does it take to say "Sorry boss man, I overreacted on my tweet. No hard feelings, sah."? Neither have I said he has to mean it.

In reply to FuzzyWuzzy

That must be a government director, or a place without a union.

In reply to Drapsey

Bravo is a private contractor, he is not a line employee.
Breaking a Code is subject to a fine, sending him home was enough, as far as I am concern.
I personally would had removed the tweet, but knowing the history of DD and the WICB, I dont think removal would have solve anything.

In reply to Yadi

Sending Bravo home was enough for the tweet.

The Countries in the Region were
formally under the control of England , which adheres to the
Principles of Democracy and ALL
that is entailed therein .

These Countries have generally adherred to those Principles .

ONE OF THE PRINCIPLES IS THAT

BEFORE PUNISHMENT , PERSONS

ARE ACCORDED A FAIR HEARING

TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE NOT

PUNISHED WITHOUT HAVING AN

OPPORTUNITY TO STATE THEIR

POSITION IN THE MATTER .

Bravo was not accorded an opportunity to state why he called
Cameron a " BIG IDIOT " .

OBVIOUSLY PUNISHING BRAVO

WITHOUT HIM HAVING AN

OPPORTUNITY TO STATE WHY

HE CALLED CAMERON

" A BIG IDIOT " IN MY OPINION

WAS & IS ASININE .

I find it very interesting that Cameron & the Worst International
Cricket Board in the Commonwealth
did not File a Counter Suit , or ask
a Judge to Stop Bravo's Suit , on the
Grounds that Bravo was accorded
a FAIR HEARING , after which he
was punished .

As far as I am aware it is the General Practise that persons
are summoned to a Hearing where
Charges are brought against a Person , and the Person is accorded
an opportunity to state his state
his position .

IN THIS MATTER WHAT IS VERY

IMPORTANT ; ANDHAS NOT BEEN

STATED ; IS THE FACT THAT THE

WICBC HAS A DISCIPLINARY

COMMITTEE . WHY THIS MATTER

DID NOT GO BEFORE THAT

COMMITTEE , IS NOT ONLY VERY

STRANGE ; BUT WREAKS OF A

VENDETTA .

If Cameron & the WICBC come out
on the losing side of this matter ,
their so called Prestige & Power
will take a severe Hit .

Some People here would make
exceedingly rotten Fathers . If they
had a son ; and the son got into a fight , they more than likely will give their son an hiding before hearing
what the Youngster had to say in his defense .

My take is that the Son is supposed
to be able to state his side of what
happened before punishment is meted out .

THE STARK FACT IN THE BRAVO

INCIDENT IS THAT, AS I HAVE

STATED ELSEWHERE , IS THAT

THE ONUS WAS & IS ON CAMERON

TO KNOW PRECISELY WHAT

LEVEL CONTRACT BRAVO HAD

BEFORE MAKING HIS STATEMENT .

REGARDING WHAT LEVEL

CONTRACT BRAVO HAD .

I guess that in the West Indies
Cricket Kingdom , Emperor Cameron is ALWAYS RIGHT , EVEN
WHEN HE IS WRONG . I cannot &
will not subscribe to that cockeyed
perspective , because it aint fair .

The salient question then is this ;

WHY WAS THIS MATTER NOT

DEALT WITH BY THE DISCIPLINARY

COMMITTEE ????

It seems to me that the Emperors
believed that the Disciplinary Committee would have accorded
Bravo an opportunity to state his
Case . The Emperors were fearful
that the possibility existed that they
possibly would have ended up with
Eggs on their Faces .

In reply to POINT

Bravo is a private contractor, so his action cannot be compared to a line employee.
His tour contract has to be looked at to see if he violated the Code, and what procedures are in place, in handling discipline issues.

Bravo as that Private contractor is within his rights, to sue for compensation.
The WICB also has the rights to select its team, it is up to the fans, to boycott games.

In reply to openning

Private , or Public Bravo should have had an opportunity to state
his Case .

Please inform me what is the Purpose of the WICBC having a
DISCIPLANARY COMMITTEE ???

IS IT JUST FOR SHOW OR WINDOW

DRESSING ; OR FOR AN

OPPORTUNITY FOR BOTH SIDES

TO STATE THEIR CASE .

In reply to POINT

It was stated that the committee met with Bravo via Skype and asked him to remove his tweet, so he can be available for selection.
That has not yet happen.

In reply to Drapsey

[b]

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Phrase denoting someone who engages in an activity which they regret majorly later on, and affects either themselves or others in a negative way.

This is exactly what Cameron did.

In a court case this is what the WICB has to deal with the phrase itself is not considered an insult it is the "street usage" that problematic but that may be inadmissible.

Maybe Bravo's lawyer is aware of their strong position if it goes to litigation.

In reply to rubberd

Do you agree or disagree ,that
Bravo should have been Accorded
a Hearing by the Disciplinary Committee .

As I have stated above , I am of the opinion ; that the Emperos in the
WICBC deliberately decided to by pass the Disciplanary Committee .

Bravo in his defense could claim that he became incensed by the
fact that Cameron publicly stated
that he , Bravo , had an A level
Contract , which was untrue , and
that triggered his intemporate remark .

I find it very interesting that those who support Cameron in this Forum
chose to focus only on what Bravo
stated , and not on the fact that
Cameron ; wittingly or unwittingly
told a Lie with regard to what level
Contract Bravo had .

I AM OF THE OPINION THAT THE

ONUS WAS ON CAMERON AS THE

PRESIDENT OF THE WICBC TO

ASCERTAIN WHAT LEVEL

CONTRACT BRAVO HAD BEFORE

HE MADE HIS ERRONEOUS

STATEMENT .

Many here seem prepared to give
Cameron a Free Pass , on this matter . I do not believe that he
should be absolved regarding what
he stated ; because it was his remark that incensed Bravo to respond .

In reply to POINT

Point, I already stated that any mistakes

that President Cameron made in the lead

up to the conflict would cost him in

money.

In reply to Yadi

You are smarter than that, Darren Bravo signed a code of conduct prior to going on tour, which he violated.
Phil Simmons was warned and then was fired for violating the code.

In reply to Yadi

Please be more explicit , why should it cost him Money . You &
Others have decided that Bravo
was wrong .

Obviously then Cameron was Right . As I have stated in this Forum on several occasions ;
I do not believe that Bravo is demented .

HE WAS INCENSED ABOUT THE

FREAKING FACT THAT CAMERON

HAD A RIGHT TO KNOW WHAT

LEVEL CONTRACT BRAVO HAD .

If Cameron was ignorant regarding
what level Contract Bravo had it
was his responsibility to ascertain
what level contract Bravo had .

Many here seem to overlook the fact that by not knowing what level
Contract Bravo had was a simple
mistake ; but the fact remains that
Cameron's ignorance regarding
what level Contract Bravo had ; caused Bravo in anger to call him a " Big Idiot ".

In reply to openning

Evidently the Members of the WICBC are exempted from having a Code of Conduct .

So the President & the Members
of the WICBC are empowered to state what ever they want , whether
True or False .

I cannot subscribe , to put it mildly , to that utter nonsense . Both Cameron & Bravo had & have a responsibility to choose their words
carefully before uttering them .

But YOU & Others have chosen to focus ONLY on what Bravo stated .
This informs me that You & Others
are of the belief that Cameron's
Statement can be forgiven ; but
Bravo's cannot be forgeven ,

In reply to POINT

The politics in the region mirror cricket. The politicians have taken care of themselves at the expense of the people, same thing with our cricket administrators. What is evident is that the concept of "if you are not for me you are against me" is now widely practiced resulting in the fracturing of our various institutions, Cameron like Hunte before is a politician and therefore will operator like a dictator. He has his "army" and will deny his servants their basic rights, hence banishment for Bravo, but unlike the real politician the Caribbean courts will deal with him.

There is usually a punishment to fit the crime so that the outcome is predictable even Trump is finding out that he does not have unlimited powers. Checks and balances.

In reply to Drapsey

With all due Respect You apparently dropped asleep , because :

THE CHAIN OF EVENTS THAT

CAUSED BRAVO'S STATEMENT

WAS STARTED BY A COMMENT

MADE BY EMPEROR CAMERON

WHO ERRONEOUSLY STATED

THAT BRAVO HAD AN -A -LEVEL

CONTRACT .

Frankly wittingly or unwittingly
Cameron told a Lie . My take is that
as the President of the WICBC the
onus was on Cameron if he did not know , to inform himself regarding
what Level Contract Bravo had ; before making his statement .

What I find alarming & preposterous
is this fact :

BRAVO IS BEING STRONGLY

CRITICIZED , FOR CALLING

CAMERON A BIG IDIOT . HOWEVER

BRAVO'S REMARKS DID NOT JUST

COME OUT OF THE BLUE ; THEY

WERE UTTERED BECAUSE HE

BELIEVED , AS I DO ; THAT

CAMERON TOLD A LIE REGARDING

THE TYPE OF CONTRACT BRAVO

HAD .

Interestingly most people are willing to ignore & excuse the lie that Cameron stated , and train their
criticism on Bravo , whose outburt
was prompted by what Cameron
Stated .

Let me again state that they were
both wrong and in my opinion merited an Apology to each other .
But I have never heard that any
of the Emperors in the WICBC issue
an apology to any Player.

Perhaps they are in such a Lofty &
Exhalted positions that it is beneath
them to Apologise .

In reply to POINT

So, Chairman Cameron will pay for the

mistakes that he contributed as cash to

Darren Bravo.

In reply to POINT

And in good faith Darren Bravo will

withdraw the insult as well as make

an explicit statement to indicate that

he is ready to leave this entire

incident in the past.

In reply to POINT

Point, no-one can force an employer

to hire an insubordinate employee.

O
Bravo will get some cash regardless

especially because Mr Cameron did not

carry himself in the most dignified

manner.

In reply to POINT

However, going forward it is entirely

up to Mr Bravo to demonstrate that he

is MAN enough to let go off all

complications and politics and

focus on his batting.

In reply to openning

In other words mr Darren Bravo will

understand that this court has done

the maximum for him .... and the reason

he got money was because of President

Cameron's mistakes.

In reply to doosra

As Judge: My closing remarks

Mr. Bravo, President Cameron ... Verily

verily I say unto you ....

Go thy way, and sin no more.

In reply to Yadi

It is exceedingly difficult to understand why most people find it very hard to understand that both Emperor Cameron & Bravo were wrong .

Emperor Cameron wittingly or unwittingly was the Instigator of
this Mess . Yet it seems that many
here and in the Region , are willing
to only focus on what Bravo stated ;
while giving Emperor Cameron a
Free Pass .

Why the Hell it is so difficult for YOU
and Others to state that Cameron
was the Instigator of this Matter .
I have not heard ,nor expected any
of the many Pseudo Sports Journalists in the region to call out
Emperor Cameron , for stating a Lie
regarding what level Contract Bravo
had .

People apparently believe that
Cameron is infallible , on the same
level with God . I will never ever
subscribe to that total B.S .

Yet some wonder why the state of
Cricket in the Region & the performances of Our Players in the International Cricket Arena ; especially in the Longer formats
of the game .

The answer is staring US & Slapping US every freaking day unabaited . One thing I know for
sure is this :

THERE AINT GOING TO BE ANY

IMPROVEMNT IN WEST INDIES

CRICKET UNLESS & UNTIL THERE

ARE VERY SERIOUS STRUCTURAL

CHANGES IN THE WICBC & THE

REGIONAL BOARDS .

In reply to POINT

WHAT KIND OF CONTRACT DARREN BRAVO HAD BEFORE THE LAST OFFER? WAS IT STATED SOMEWHERE AND IF SO, WHERE? CAN YOU ENLIGHTEN ME PLEASE.

In reply to jelfew

Bravo stated on hearing that Cameron stated that :

HE , BRAVO HAD AN -A-LEVEL

CONTRACT . BRAVO IN A FIT OF

ANGER RETORTED , THAT HE

NEVER HAD AN A LEVEL

CONTRACT , THEN STATED THAT

CAMERON WAS A BIG IDIOT .

My take is that Bravo's remarks were prompted by the fact that
Cameron was untruthful when he
stated that Bravo had an A-Level
Contract .

Let me again state that :

THE ONUS WAS ON CAMERON TO

ASCERTAIN WHAT LEVEL

CONTRACT BRAVO HAD BEFORE

ERRONEOUSLY STATING THAT

BRAVO HAD AN A LEVEL

CONTRACT .

As I have stated in this Forum .
both Cameron & Bravo were wrong .
however my disgust is due to the fact that most People here & I presume in the Region believe that
it was ok for Cameron to be untruthful regarding what Level
Contract Bravo had .

Apparently many here & in the Region , are of the opinion that Cameron in his exalted position as
the President of the WICBC , should
not have to apologise to Bravo for
being erroneous regarding what level Contract Bravo had .

If you aint get it yet , this matter
in a nutshell was started when
Cameron wittingly or unwittingly
stated that Bravo had an a level
Contract , and that was not true .

It was Cameron's statement that triggered Bravo's response . It is very likely that had Cameron correctly stated what level Contract
Bravo had , this matter would not have occured .

The salient point in My opinion is
this :

BOTH CAMERON & BRAVO WERE

WRONG . THAT BEING THE CASE

TO AFFIX BLAME ONLY ON BRAVO

WHILE ABSOLVING CAMERON IS

ABSURD .

In reply to Yadi

Cameron will not pay for his mistakes. It is the WICB that would pay and it would not hurt Cameron 1 bit.

In reply to Pacy

The salient point that has apparently escaped your comprehension is this :

IF THE WICBC HAS TO PAYMONEY

IT WOULD BE BECAUSE ITS

PRESIDENT LIED REGARDING THE

LEVEL OF CONTRACT BRAVO HAD .

Frankly , this will tarnish whatever
image Cameron has ; in essence it
will be akin to the Mark of Cain .

People will always look at Cameron
and whisper , " Look at the Man who caused the WICBC to pay
money .

It aint going to be easily forgotten ,
because , Cricket in the Region is
abysmal paticularly in the longer
formats of the game ; where WE
are languishing at or near the bottom of International Cricket .

Meanwhile the WICBC is needlessly
paying out money due to the crass
stupidity of its President . That Optics aint going to be looking Good for either Cameron or the
Worst International Cricket Board
in the Commonwealth .

In reply to POINT

You think Cameron is least bit bothered about his image?



Point, you are too good to believe these things. After all that has happened in WI cricket, he gets elected unopposed. Who are those people who would question him?

From where I see, WICB and its administrators care less for public opinion. They do not care about the fans. Fans do not watch the match, stands are near empty and the money they get is from TV revenue.

This is WI cricket owned by WICB and they decide what to do and how to do. If you do not agree there is someone else who is there willing to eat food.

In reply to Pacy

The correct remedy in my opinion regarding the Worst International
Cricket Board in the Commonwealth
aka the WICBC , is this :

THE REGIONAL GOVERNMENTS

NEED TO TAKE THE WICBC TO

COURT , REGARDING ITS

MALADMINISTRATION OF CRICKET

IN THE REGION .

The Regional Governments can cite
the fact that the WICBC has over
many years commissioned several
Reports , and have bluntly refused
to incorporated the salient recommendations regarding the
Structure of the WICBC .

THE WICBC HAS HELD ON TO ITS

1928 STRUCTURE , LIKE TOTS

HOLDING ON THEIR BLANKETS .

Now to those who dismiss this as
nonsense , I invite them to checkout
what happened to the BCCI , also a
Private Entity , when it refused to
implement the changes recommended by the LODHA
COMMITTEE .

THE SUPREME COURT VERBALLY

SLAPPED AROUND THE OFFICIALS

OF THE BCCI , AND REMOVED THE

PRESIDENT & SECRETARY OF THE

BCCI FROM THEIR OFFICES IN THE

BCCI .

BTW , the WICBC & the BCCI are
similarly structured . Therefore it
aint impossible for the Regional
Governments to summon up their Testicular Fortitude and take the
WICBC Officials to Court to answer charges regarding their Stewardship of Cricket in the Region .

THE WICBC HAS NOT BEEN

TRANSPARENT ; ACCOUNTABLE &

NOR CAN IT BE SAID THAT IT HAS

EXERCISED GOOD GOVERNANCE .

OBVIOUSLY THE FACT THAT THE

WICBC HAS REFUSED TO

IMPLEMENT THE CHANGES TO ITS

STRUCTURE BY THE VARIOUS

REPORTS IT COMMISSIONED ,

MUST BE BROUGHT UP .

From afar I have been reading all the comments and honestly, I do believe that we all jump for mediocrity too oftain. Players and administrators will come and go but us fans will always be there hurting. Sometimes I read what you guys post about the board and sometimes guys seems to hold the players in too much high regards. Do I think the players care one hoot about us fans and the answer is no. In the working world I work for a company and we are given the company policy about social media and if I post anything that the company this is bringing it into disrepute then disciplinary action will be taken. We in the Caribbean seems to accept mediocrity too oftain and we must stop. Currently this West Indies team is not good but we have give the team a chance to build, every team goes threw this it's just that our old guard went off to make more money than having pride.